17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

The latest headline from the Orlando Sentinel:

Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow, then began hammering his head

See the linked article:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

It looks like once again Al Sharpton and the race hustlers are trying to make fools of all of us, and lynch an innocent man in the process.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

The British seem to afford too many "rights" to Thugs. Once again as the London riots demonstrate the police often cant's be everywhere at once, and you need to be able to protect yourself, your family and your business. This is a matter is civilization being willing to protect itself against the barbarians. We will get into big trouble when we start trying to buy them off (the dole) rather than standing up to them and demanding civilized behavior.

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Stop violence by arming everyone? You're a moron.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

The latest headline from the Orlando Sentinel:

Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow, then began hammering his head

See the linked article:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

It looks like once again Al Sharpton and the race hustlers are trying to make fools of all of us, and lynch an innocent man in the process.

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Dead men tell no tales.

Zimmerman is a PUSSY. That's why he's rolling around in his SUV with a loaded 9mm.

I wish I could have seen Zimmerman's fat ass roll up on 140#, 17 year old Trayvon talking shit like he was a police officer and see him get swung on.lol

If you follow someone in your car and the person you're following doesn't know you AND sees that you're following him, then you get out of your car and try to confront that person, afterwards your ass getting swung is....SELF DEFENSE.

Good to know all these law-abiding citizens on HA would allow themselves to be followed by an unknown car, have the driver of that vehicle get out and question you for no reason since he's not a cop, and then try to tell you he wants to detain you until law enforcement arrives, and I guess some of you would willingly comply.

Stupid.

Pointing out racism isn't a 'hustle'.
As of right now the only hustle going on is on those people who think Trayvon wasn't racially profiled in the first place because he was Black.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Stop violence by arming everyone? You're a moron.

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Well said, that man.

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Yes, I am seriously suggesting that if someone is taking you hard earned property without your permission that you are allowed to use physical force to prevent them doing such (including the use of a firearm).

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That's fine. But then beware that you are saying that material goods are worth more than human life. So the GOP has to stop claiming they're the pro-life party.

Zimmerman should face justice, he wasn't suppose to cary a gun, i think as a neighborhood watch you could have called the cops to arise suspicion, shooting the kid in a suburban hood, when your not suppose to even be carrying a gun is suspicious criminal intent.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

I think last summers riots in London demonstrate what happens when you deny law abiding citizens guns and tell them that they can't defend themselves or their property. Look what happened when the police become overwhelmed. The law abiding citizen is left to the tender mercy of thugs.

At least here in America, I'm able to defend myself and my business from rioters. If someone tries to burn down or steal my property they will be shot. That is the essence of stand your ground laws, that the law abiding citizen should not have to run away from criminals.

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There were lots of lessons to be learned from thee riots including the need for the Police to respond quickly with a large show of force, but there were 5 very unfortunate deaths. If it was the USA, and guns can be owned by both sides, then how many deaths would there have been?

you've never heard carry a big stick?

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Originally Posted by Silcc69

What part of the 911 responder call of don't pursue did you not understand? Had Zimmerman NOT pursued like he was told not to do then none of this shit would've happened.

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I was waiting for someone to make that point. Recall several months ago when the OWS students were told by police to move or they'd be pepper sprayed ? That was a direct order....Well they didn't move and if I recall they were roundly cheered here for disobeying the police. So in some cases we're to pay no mind to the police, and other orders should be adhered to? Interesting dichotomy.

Facts be damned now, If Zimmerman doesn't do hard time, there will be riots in the streets.

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So in some cases we're to pay no mind to the police, and other orders should be adhered to? Interesting dichotomy.

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Exactly. Try reading Civil Disobedience by Thoreau.

Here is an example of where jessie jackson should be spending his time. Black on Black crime is so rampant, but the media won't dare cover it. This is pitiful: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26...est=latestnews

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Stop violence by arming everyone? You're a moron.

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An armed society is a polite society.

Right now in the UK only the criminals are armed. What I am suggesting is arming the law abiding citizens.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

Facts be damned now, If Zimmerman doesn't do hard time, there will be riots in the streets.

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Thanks to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I really don't understand why this case merits more attention than the horrible black on black violence that happens every day. It would be of more benefit to the black community to have the race hustlers focus on that intractable problem.

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Originally Posted by trish

Exactly. Try reading Civil Disobedience by Thoreau.

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Try reading it? Try again.

You sure you read it? The thesis was that citizens should be governed less.....doesn't sound like you at all ! lol

You seem to want to litigate this before there's even an arrest.
Back off...that's the DA's job. We get that you're anti gun, anti stand your ground laws, and in certain instances...anti cop...but none of that is relevent.
The point was you can't pick and choose what police orders to obey....that's inconsistent and you don't get to arbitrate that without first paying the consequences...And weren't you the one whining about police brutality after they were pepper sprayed...when they were told that was exactly what was going to happen if they didn't obey the order to leave?

Are you really equating students disobeying a police order to disperse resulting in being aggressively and excessively pepper sprayed, to this Zimmerman psycho who was told by a police dispatcher NOT TO FOLLOW a random Black male ( who was not committing any crime except for being Black), whose decision not to comply directly resulted in the DEATH of an innocent kid??

As citizens we ALL have the right to choose whether or not obey civil law.
If one is protesting what they perceive to be an unjust law, they have the right and responsibility to disobey a police order, as long as they aren't at risk for bodily harm to themselves or others.

George Zimmerman wasn't engaged in any act of civil disobedience; he chose to ignore the request from the 911 operator not to pursue Trayvon because he was too busy playing fantasy cop.

Mildcigar, most victims of violent crime were assaulted by someone of the same racial/ethnic background. Why is Black on Black crime so dear to your heart??

The dumb white trash guys can't help letting everyone know exactly who they are on a thread like this. lol

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

An armed society is a polite society.

Right now in the UK only the criminals are armed. What I am suggesting is arming the law abiding citizens.

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Explain that one for a start, please. :confused::confused::confused:

The UK in its essentially unarmed state has 2% of the gun crime rate of the US.

I was right first time around. You're a moron.

I can't believe Conservative Media is choosing this battle to fight.

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You seem to want to litigate this before there's even an arrest.

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Me?? Where? I think my comments were mainly directed at the "stand your ground" laws, rather than at Zimmerman. Talk about having a reading comprehension problem. Perhaps you should listen to others before you go on broadcast.

True colors really starting to show through: Right-wingers now calling Martin a gang-banging punk and calling Zimmerman a hero for shooting an unarmed teenager. Just disgusting.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=9744http://bit.ly/GSI1By

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Explain that one for a start, please. :confused::confused::confused:

The UK in its essentially unarmed state has 2% of the gun crime rate of the US.

I was right first time around. You're a moron.

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I want to move to the UK.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

I want to move to the UK.

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I've tidied the house..... :whistle:

"We live in America where a girl that threw flour on Kim Kardashian was arrested on site. But the man who KILLED Trayvon Martin is still free." -Willard Christopher Smith, JR

And THIS is why so many are upset. With those other incidents, someone was almost ALWAYS arrested.

Also, if he HAD to shoot an unarmed man who "posed a threat to his safety", why didn't he shoot him in the leg or something?

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

An armed society is a polite society.

Right now in the UK only the criminals are armed. What I am suggesting is arming the law abiding citizens.

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Factually speaking, only a small percentage of Policemen are 'authorised firearms officers', with an exception for Northern Ireland for obvious reasons. In addition, most farmers have a licence to own a firearm; licences are also issued on a regular basis to members of gun clubs and relevant sporting societies. When Prince Charles and his sons go on a shooting weekend, to shoot grouse or pheasant, they too must have first obtained a licence to carry weapons. So law abiding citizens can possess weapons, but the majority do not, it is a cultural thing. Many more French people, for example, own guns and go hunting at weekends. The guns that criminals use tend to be borrowed, or purchased from illegal sources -if a young black man strolls into a police station in north London to ask for a gun licence, he runs the risk of being arrested, for wasting police time. If I were to go to my local police station for the same reason, I would not get a licence because I cannot explain why I want a gun. Its not easy, and it shouldn't be.

The key in this Trayvon Martin case is the way the facts come out drip by drop, so that was was true on Monday is not true on Wednesday, and what was true on Wednesday isn't true by the weekend.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Also, if he HAD to shoot an unarmed man who "posed a threat to his safety", why didn't he shoot him in the leg or something?

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Because this isn't the movies. People are thought to go for the center mass because it is a big area. If someones adrenaline is pumping, most people can't focus on shooting a limb. In this case, they were in a struggle and where very close together. So, the possibly of limb shooting is out of the question.

*were very close together..boo to one time editing

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Explain that one for a start, please. :confused::confused::confused:

The UK in its essentially unarmed state has 2% of the gun crime rate of the US.

I was right first time around. You're a moron.

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Yay, but that's because most of the population is legally unarmed !

If we had the same gun laws as the sates, our murder rate would be off the scale! (give a brit a gun, he wants to shoot some fucker)! We're not mentally predisposed to carry weapons.

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Also, if he HAD to shoot an unarmed man who "posed a threat to his safety", why didn't he shoot him in the leg or something?

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People are trained to shoot at the chest...Times of stress, training takes over.
Not excusing it, just the way it is.! :shrug

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

I can't believe Conservative Media is choosing this battle to fight.

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I cant believe your calling ABC, Huffington, and Yahoo as well as every other outlet conservative media.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...180103647.html

Here you see an interview with the witness, a black youth who says it was Zimmerman on the ground, and Martin on top. But I guess he's part of the great right wing conspiracy also? Willie in all fairness if 2 people are struggling on the ground and the gun goes off...I said weeks ago this was an idiot with a gun, and let the police sort it out. Oh no, he was a cold blooded killer who stalked an angel and killed him in cold blood. Zimmerman's past was open season, but as soon as they peek into Trayvon's past, its all the media trying to demonize the victim. Zimmerman who is half white is described by the media as a "white/hispanic" but in 3 years I've never heard our President called a "white/black."

If Trayvon Martin had killed Zimmerman, he could have gotten off on the stand your ground law.....right? He was being stalked by a guy with a gun. right? Trayvon probably bought his skittles with food stamps. You guys never smoked pot in high school?
My kin down south don't like damn yankees passing judgement over them, that's fine. This has nothing to do with that.

Zimmerman stalked Trayvon because he was BLACK, and assumed Trayvon had 'criminal intent'. Zimmerman even stated that Trayvon was RUNNING AWAY from him on the 911 call.

Zimmerman left his SUV with a loaded 9mm on his waist....for what purpose?? What legal authority does one civilian have over another who ISN'T BREAKING THE LAW?

What happened next is all Zimmerman's word and the partial eye witness testimony of observers, or those who heard the fight from their homes.

Sorry, but when you follow someone for several blocks, park your car to chase them down and approach them with a sidearm strapped to your waist, YOU are the aggressor and whatever else happens after the fact is YOUR FAULT.

See, this is what happens when there's no investigation. We don't know the condition of Trayvon's body, if he had any defensive wounds or was hurt prior to being shot. The Sandford PD tested the DEAD Trayvon for drugs, and if he'd just smoked a spliff before getting murdered that would have been the justification that he was the aggressor by authorities.

But NO ONE drug tested the shooter.

This entire case is about RACE Zimmerman.

If Trayvon was White, Zimmerman would not have followed him and called him in to 911. If Trayvon had been White, Zimmerman would have been arrested on the spot, or either fleed the scene. If Trayvon had been White, the PD would have conducted a probable cause investigation.

If Trayvon had shot Zimmerman, Trayvon would still be in jail.

Just because conservatives think racism is a political lever used by progressives to socially divide an innately good, colorblind nation(lol), doesn't me it doesn't exist.

Giovanni
There was an autopsy on Trayvon's body. So we would know if there are defensive wounds, ( while he was on top Zimmerman beating his head) A drug test is part of an autopsy.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...19691&srvc=rss

Giovanni, it doesn't serve your purposes to acknowledge this at the moment, but somehow this "colorblind(lol)" nation as you put it, elected a black president, has made a black woman its biggest highest paid entertainer, put over a dozen black atronauts in space, it goes on, but you know it.

This tragedy has been hijacked by people who are using it for their own purposes.

I hope the Supreme Court doesn't decide this case! Yeah, I talkin to YOU, Scalia!

So what if Treyvon gained the upper hand in a altercation? if a rapist attacks a jogger, and she scratches his eyes out, kicks him in the nuts and gets away, is he allowed to execute her?

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Giovanni
There was an autopsy on Trayvon's body. So we would know if there are defensive wounds, ( while he was on top Zimmerman beating his head) A drug test is part of an autopsy.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...19691&srvc=rss

Giovanni, it doesn't serve your purposes to acknowledge this at the moment, but somehow this "colorblind(lol)" nation as you put it, elected a black president, has made a black woman its biggest highest paid entertainer, put over a dozen black atronauts in space, it goes on, but you know it.

This tragedy has been hijacked by people who are using it for their own purposes.

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A majority of liberals might be color blind, but the conservatives LOL doubtful.

This case will not solve our problems, differences or issues! It will only highlight them! Each participant in the discussion only approaches the issues from their perspective (without considering an alternative).

We will not solve this case here and making either person a monster will not help.

OJ walked because the prosecution wanted him to be a monster. [He was no monster. He was a jealous man who killed two people. John Wayne Gacey or Jeffery Dalmer he was not].

The police officers who attacked Rodney King were portrayed as monsters and walked because of it. [They fell into a mob/group mentality of 'contempt of cop' and did not realize they went from overzealous to dangerous reactions].

You want to be angry ... be angry at slip-shod police work that gave us the situation we have now. But if you want to create monsters... be prepared to become one yourself because you either identify with young Trayvon or Mr. Zimmerman (and each side is doing their best to make the other the MONSTER)

'Nuff said - back to watching

There are no evidence of Trayvon vandalizing, or breaking in, or robbing, or hurting people. This guy I believed picked on him for no reason nd just gave that lame excuse of Trayvon being suspicious, Like what the person said below, If he had a gun I think he was licensed, he was trained better than to shoot carelessly, Willie is right. although a watchman should not have guns! They are not allowed to carry, unless they are security. Trayvon regardless of drugs or his personal troubles, or what not that's his personal battles and he could have changed but all that hope has been taken away for him to create a better life, that does not give a 30+ man to kill a kid. Zimmerman would have easily taken his skinny built down without the gun. He may not be white, but he is latino, and in my neighborhood in San Francisco latinos and blacks seem to have racial hate towards each other. So maybe that plays a role. I could be wrong, I know it's the same with New York, and Chicago, and Miami.

I find it pathetic that verdicts have been passed without all the evidence. The boy was not a saint, but that doesn't mean he deserved to be shot. However when you attack an armed man you shouldn't be surprised when he retaliates.

I'm just saying that I prefer to hear the evidence before jumping on the media bandwagon. This whole situation reeks as bad as the Duke Lacrosse Rape fiasco.