Look at video rental stores. Video game companies don't even see that money.
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Look at video rental stores. Video game companies don't even see that money.
This blatant ad hominem attempt to make your own argument is obviously fallacious, as anyone who has been taught to think properly will tell you. You simply assume that anyone who disagrees with you 'steal themselves' when not only do you have no grounds on which to make that assumption, it is demonstrably false. For example, I have made that argument to you on this thread, and at the moment I have subscriptions to several websites, including one of yours. (Something I have already mentioned on this thread.) So your fallacious attempt to defend your assertion is not only irrelevent, it has actually been refuted.Quote:
Who has pointed out that the piracy doesn't equate loss? Certainly nobody of any significance and most likely, just people who steal themselves. - Seanchai
I don't care what you think either, so what? You've made perfectly clear statements? Well maybe you have, and maybe you haven't, but in any event clarity is not truth.Quote:
Frankly, I don't care what you think - I've made my perfectly clear statements. - Seanchai
Again: you appear to be presenting an argument that would support any actions you might wish to take against these Russian/Bulgarian/Romanians you say exist, who are apparently setting up alternative websites and 'selling' your product. It may be difficult to take legal action against such people in those countries. However, that type of action would at least be supported by the argument you have put forward.
Making that argument though, and going on to prosecute an entirely different group of people, with no obvious benefits other than lining your pockets?
You might not care if someone points out to you that this is illogical, but that doesn't mean that it's not, and your indifference certainly won't prevent anyone from pointing that out to you.
But that wasn't 'all it is' now was it? You were bleating about Russians and mysterious Eastern European crime gangs ripping you off. (See link.) Now you're trying to pretend that you didn't? Come on. You were also trying to say that someone viewing a clip online equated to a loss of revenue for you. You have not shown that this is so, and when someone points that out to you (and several people have done so) you either say you don't care what anyone else thinks, or else you engage in blatant ad hominem attacks upon your own firm's customers, and accuse them of stealing from you.Quote:
If you've stolen from us, you've committed a crime and if we find you we will take legal action against you.
That's all it is. Seanchai
Way to drum up trade, pal.
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Originally Posted by Niccolo
1. Show me on that link anything about crime gangs? I've already cut and pasted my exact quote.
2. A surfer who is able to find and download our content for free, who could have been a likely member, if they hadn't be able to get the content for free, is a lost sale. If this stolen content was not available for free, then some of the downloaders would be buying from the site. This equates a loss of revenue to us.
3. Why do you ignore my posts and make things up? I clearly stated the intent of this specific action much earlier in this thread.
4. Which of my customers have I accused of stealing from me?
Way to just make shit up, pal
Oh and just so you know, I've cancelled my subscription to your site.
See how well this little enterprise is working out for you?
Yet it is. Everything I've stated is truthful and clear. If you disagree, then that's your prerogative to. I don't really owe you answers here but I have, you have just refused to listen to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
I don't really have much more time I can waste on this one post as it's obviously becoming just a circle jerk.
Send me your username or subscription number and I'll gladly refund you. I'd hate to see somebody that unhappy with what we provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
Is this really the best you can do? Nitpicking about your description of Russian and Eastern European groups of people who, according to you, are acting illegally and are apparently outside the reach of the law? Saying that these people, who are acting together in a co-ordinated and criminal manner with the clear aim of stealing money from other people, and who according to you are being successful, cannot be accurately described as criminal gangs? Really? You think this is going to be a fruitful avenue for you to explore? If you really want to, I have to tell you that I studied linguistics and philosophy at uni, and I'll happily talk about how human beings use language for days, or weeks. No problem. And in the end, you'll lose that debate. I can save you a lot of time though, and simply state the obvious right now: Your attempt to defend your own position is laughable. (If you're interested in how we use language, a book I'm reading just now on my Kindle, and which I can definitely recommend, is 'The Unfolding of Language' by Guy Deutscher. It's well written, and the author's theories are very interesting.)Quote:
1. Show me on that link anything about crime gangs? I've already cut and pasted my exact quote. - Seanchai
You ought to reconsider your position. I suggest that instead of trying to insult the intelligence of your own customers, or accusing them of theft, you actually try to enrol them in your efforts against video piracy. You have a large group of people who sign up to your websites, and who by definition are interested in those sites continuing. Those people come from all walks of life. I suggest that you tap into that resource, and see if some of your members can come up with a new way of preventing video piracy. You never know - if you try to see other people as something more than walking dollar signs, you might just start to make some progress here.
Just a thought ...
Ok well this answers a lot. So it's not about grasping my points, it's just about debating and arguing how I stated it. Yep, you will win on that one. Congratulate yourself. It really is quite pathetic how some people enjoy wasting time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
We do, do that Niccolo, we do it all the time, as a member, I'm surprised you missed it on one of our sites. We engage all our members which is why we're consistently changing the sites to meet their needs. At no point, have I insulted the intelligence of our customers who we put ahead of all else or accused any of them of theft. No legitimate customer of ours, will be getting any sort of notification. Where do you get these ideas? We've been making great progress, thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you need to go and study something that has an application in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
Just a thought :Bowdown:
Clarity and Truth.
Your name is Wilbur Smith.
You have written over thirty novels.
You live in Africa.
These statements are quite clear. But are they true?
No? You didn't write 'The Sound of Thunder'? Thought not ...
That particular degree was just one I took for my own amusement, p/t, at my own expense, while working at my day job. I happen to have several pieces of paper up on the wall, that's just one of them. But hey, you never insult the intelligence of any of your customers, right ... and you didn't say that any customers who disagreed with you (i.e. me) must also be stealing from you, either ... okay, whatever. Anyone can read your previous posts. There they stand, for any potential customers to see. They can decide for themselves if they want to line your pockets, or if they'd rather go elsewhere.
Genius!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
Totally Brilliant.
Let me take that to the pub and make a twat out of myself.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CCQ-IiZpWi...0/mrlogic1.jpg
Well I had to keep it very, very simple, considering who I'm talking to. You go right ahead and keep it up; it won't make any difference to me, I have no websites for anyone to subscribe to and I'm certainly not waiting on anyone to send me their money. I'll just get a good old laugh at your adolescent behaviour. After all, for a grown man to behave like that ... well, it is quite amusing. You don't seem to realise that all you're doing is letting everyone else see what you're made of. And that's all you're doing. As I've pointed out to you already, any potential customers will now be able to read your comments, & decide if they want to pay out any of their hard earned to someone like you.
If someone reads your comments on this thread and decides not to subscribe to one of your websites, does this mean that you'll sue yourself for loss of earnings?
There has been absolutely no dishonesty or evading comments in any of my posts on this topic. I'm happy for any prospective member to read them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
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Who has pointed out that the piracy doesn't equate loss? Certainly nobody of any significance and most likely, just people who steal themselves. - Seanchai
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This blatant ad hominem attempt to make your own argument is obviously fallacious, as anyone who has been taught to think properly will tell you. You simply assume that anyone who disagrees with you 'steal themselves' when not only do you have no grounds on which to make that assumption, it is demonstrably false. For example, I have made that argument to you on this thread, and at the moment I have subscriptions to several websites, including one of yours. (Something I have already mentioned on this thread.) So your fallacious attempt to defend your assertion is not only irrelevant, it has actually been refuted. - N
You assert that if someone watches a video online, then that equates to a loss of earnings for you, and when anyone disagrees with this assertion (and several people have done so in the course of this thread alone) you label them thiefs. You have no way of knowing if any of the people on this thread who have disagreed with you are subscribers to one of your sites, or indeed to any others. They may be, or they may not. In my own case, I was a subscriber to one of your websites. Given that this is a TS porn forum, there is at least a chance that one of the other posters who adopted the same position as I did are also subscribers to various TS porn sites. (Possibly yours.)Quote:
Which of my customers have I accused of stealing from me?
At no point, have I insulted the intelligence of our customers who we put ahead of all else or accused any of them of theft. - Seanchai
You trotted out those ad hominem remarks and if you wish to be intellectually honest about it, you will acknowledge that you can't now say that you have never accused any of your firm's clients of thieving. You have no way of knowing that to be true. There may be several people who disagree with your statements about viewing porn online equating to a loss of earnings. Some may be subscribers to your own websites.
You are aware that I was a subscriber to one of your websites. I disagreed with you. According to you then, I was someone 'of no significance' who was 'likely' stealing TS porn online. This is how you describe your own customers?
Who'd want to be one?
there not just stealing from steven there stealing from me and everybody else who benefets and its not right period.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Not for nothing, but, i don't think anyone cares about the character of the pornographer when they're buying pornography!
Just a personal opinion! :shrug
Not that I'm gonna read 20+ pages of this discussion before I throw in my 2 cents, but here it is:
I don't feel like I'm stealing from anyone, I download and jerk off. If I wasn't able to download it for free, I'd jerk off the old fashioned way - with my imagination. Before the internet I never spent a dime on porn, and I think my imagination was better.
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Originally Posted by dgs925
If i had rep (whatever the fuck that is), i would give it some! :Bowdown:
We use to have reps but they took them away from us.
Some people must have cried about it and they took it away.
There was so many people I wanted to neg. lol
Exactly the scenario I was thinking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tepres
YouTube - Nelson hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by boyblue
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Whatever.
My two favorite torrent sites are no longer in existence, directly related to these bundled lawsuits against illegal DLers of porn.
Sometimes firing a handgun above a crowded room has the same impact as pointing at one individual and firing.
Grooby etc., at least temporarily, put the fear of God into interweb leeches.
How do you know that? :geek:Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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Because they were two of the defendants in those lawsuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Legal expenses were too much of a hassle, their sites were repeatedly hacked and they closed down.
You don't think they'll start up again using different names? You don't think there are more sites in line behind them? These lawsuits aren't like firing a gun in a crowd; they're more like pop-pops on the 4th of July. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
http://www.houseofrave.com/media/fir...p-pops-big.jpg
Seanchai said he was trying to re-coup money lost to piracy. Lawyers are expensive and the cases keep getting thrown out, so in that regard, all efforts have been abysmal failures. It's logic, Spock.
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I only like snakes and sparklers
Yeah that didnt stop anything. Rule of torrent sites, you take down 1 or 2, 3x the amount are around or surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/c...-4chan-piracy/
I find that this guy's example is a good way to see piracy. It can have a good effect on your sales.
kaiser, that is a good article! I am not sure that video, especially porn, can benefit in the same way. From a pure volume standpoint, there is so much more porn produced on a weekly basis than there is an anime book.
It will be interesting to see how these shake out. The lawyer in the story I linked is not winning.
Interesting you choose this as your very first post :loser:Quote:
Originally Posted by boyblue
That lawyer has aleady won, you've no idea how much money his firm have made from this already.
He won? I hadnt heard anything else outside of he got owned in court. Actually, last I heard the judge had thrown out all but 3 "john doe" defendants and dismissed the rest. THEN dismissed those 3. So either way.....
I think this was just one group of disclosures. They've been doing them since Sept for 100's of websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiser1one
Methinks the lady exploiter doth protest too much. :geek:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Well the lawyer won't win anytime soon, if at all. Jack Thompson failed at his video game endeavors and got slammed for it. This guy may be the next one.
I'd like to know how they expect to do this:
"We have the technical ability to track stolen downloaded content and we will have no choice but to instruct our lawyers to take that action, in an effort to recoup lost revenue."
What did they put a serial number on the files? Do they expect people won't sanitize the headings, etc? What if i (legally) DL something and get tired of it, and the give it to a friend. He didn't pay to DL it (and he didn't DL it either!), but you're going to go after him? Not sure this one passes the smell test...
Tracking users by their IP address is also humorous, I'm in a hotel much of the time, with different machines. Even a home IP will only get you to a block most of the time and never to a specific machine. Good luck with that.
That said, I can't stand the mass pirate sites any more than seanchai / steven, and i don't use them, don't like them, don't want to be a part it / them, and i'm too busy fixing my computer every time the HDD goes out to lunch. :(
Keep laughing when you find yourself at the top of their shit list :dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryz
http://sapientology.com/wp-content/u...0/01/smerk.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
1: I used, (but don't much anymore) tape songs off the radio. I had (still have) quite the collection. But i don't sell them. I also recorded parties that my friends and i hosted. Again I don't sell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trans-Promo
2: I like feet, especially yours Danielle, quite yummy! And i buy DVDs of what i like (including many with you dear!)
This whole thread is really out of hand. Grooby will attempt to rein in pirates, and they are going to piss of people - mostly those who who are too lazy / cheap / broke to pay atention - let alone pay for any content.
Now THAT was funny! :Bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trans-Promo