Jamie French, Eva Cassini, Tiffany Starr robbed at gun point.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

I'm not sure if you're actually directing this to me or to the company, Grooby Productions. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and so glazing over this. Well, no, I won't... because I'm pretty sure you're directing it at me.

So, let me state UNEQUIVOCALLY... I have NEVER, EVER asked for a handout of ANY KIND. It was not my upbringing to do so, and while I think that there is room enough for some compassion for those less fortunate, I basically believe in a work-hard-to-succeed mentality.

My first job was working along immigrants at 13 in the lettuce fields of the Salinas Valley laying irrigation pipe (insert jokes here). Anyone who has done that job will tell you it is exhausting and difficult work. Throughout High School, I traveled the world during the summers and have the Passport stamps to prove it. I've seen the good and bad of India, China, Guatemala, Costa Rica and numerous other places. Traveled Europe. Was homeless in San Francisco (partly why I love the city). Worked my ass off legitimately to get off the streets. Never been on any sort of government program. Never asked anyone for a favor I didn't earn. Worked my way through college. Am virtually debt free (small car loan). Built a successful solo site from scratch in a niche that usually doesn't favor success for someone like myself, and do not ask free favors of anyone (ask around). I work hard, play hard, and love the life that I currently lead.

So if you're speaking about me, you have absolutely NO idea what you're saying and I deserve an apology.

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That all sounds good..and believable...kinda like Jamie's brag that the other brother had to point out to you.
I have no reason to doubt you..however..something in their begging has triggered a spark of familiarity within you. It's obvious.
No one in their right mind (unless you're from another country and brought into the MYTh of "The Land Of The Free") is going to go to the extreme of defending not one..but THREE people with their hands out asking for donations..UNLESS they subscribe to that pathetic mentality themselves.

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Originally Posted by GrimFusion

Krissy, I never really got the chance to air my opinion in all of this. The conversation was already pacing faster than I could reply so I didn't have much of a chance to get into it, and you probably assumed I completely agree with Bella. I don't.

I don't care if Jaime wants donations. I wouldn't complain if she were to post a new donation thread on HA once a day or more. I was a little worried that her motivations behind this donation post weren't honest, but once Tiffany corroborated the story I was satisfied.

I don't understand why she shouldn't ask for a donation after being robbed. People act like it should be her responsibility to essentially double-pay the rent because that's what "responsible people" do. I don't know her finances, but I'm not about to assume she's sitting on a huge pile of cash while she's asking for boob job donations and promoting the crap out of her new site content.

I don't have any problem with Jaime asking for donations or promoting new site content but lately, that's all she's been doing around HA; and she's not the first girl shunned around here because she has no appetite for conversation. That's just what happens when most of the site visitors think anybody is being too needy and not contributing anything back to the forum. If not in offense to the idea of asking for money after a personal emergency, it's likely that she's simply been asking too much lately.

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So somehow I missed this entire page.

OK, well, that is understandable but not really what is being said in most of the posts. This is very reasonable and perhaps you've seem more of this asking for money than I have since I have limited time (doesn't seem like it tonight) to browse and read stuff.

If this was the entire premise, I agree. I would hate for this forum to turn into a list of girls asking for cash.

What I am saying is that this whole, 'Oh, this is made up' and 'Oh, this is funny' stuff is uncool. We ALL have periods in life when a little help is necessary and we shouldn't have to be mocked when it is asked for. Essentially, 'Oh sorry that happened, but here, let me kick you in the teeth since you're down anyway.'

What I'm asking for is a little civility and to stop the stupid (and yes, it is stupid) speculation. Somehow we have gone from 'held up at gunpoint' to ...'now it is assuredly FACT that it was a trick of Tiffany Starr and geez, these girls only pay $550.00 in rent so what's the big deal...' That is mostly speculation without any shred of evidence to back it up.

So, again, I will state this. Would it somehow make this all different if Tiffany was laying dead on the floor and Jamie was asking for donations to help bury her? Because it pretty much seems like, 'Well, no one got hurt so I'm just going to make a mockery of this.' Which I think is a remarkably callous way to live.

If you go a whole lifetime without needing the assistance of others, count yourself among the very, very fortunate and pass that on to others.

See, I can be reasonable... as can you.

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Originally Posted by tsdvdman

That all sounds good..and believable...kinda like Jamie's brag that the other brother had to point out to you.
I have no reason to doubt you..however..something in their begging has triggered a spark of familiarity within you. It's obvious.
No one in their right mind (unless you're from another country and brought into the MYTh of "The Land Of The Free") is going to go to the extreme of defending not one..but THREE people with their hands out asking for donations..UNLESS they subscribe to that pathetic mentality themselves.

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OK, so now we're getting to the root of your issue. So, here is the problem.

You have so little faith in humanity that you can't even believe that someone actually cares a little bit.

I choose the discussions that I get into carefully as my post history will show. You'll also see that I have a history of sticking up for people. I would be saying the exact same things here if it were say... Bella or Grim asking for a hand and these things were being said about them. I don't really care who it is, it just happens in this case, that I do know Jamie because she has done some work for me.

So, ask yourself this. Clearly, I've made more enemies than I've made friends by posting in this thread, so WHAT DO I HAVE TO GAIN from it? If, as you say, I am a money-grubbing, handout loving person, wouldn't I just chime in with everyone else in the hopes that one of those people would strike up a friendly conversation and become a Member of my site?

I get it. You think that all people are crappy and that all 'us girls' hate all the guys and think they're all chasers and etc. I reject the premise. I have very good conversations with Members of my site who choose to write me and I try to answer EVERY guy who emails me a response. I don't consider all guys 'chasers' and have had very good relationships with men who I have truly cared about.

Have there been bad, of course. But like I stated earlier, I reject the premise that all girls in porn must be beggars, liars, and cheats; just like I reject the premise that all guys are simply chasers and only in it for sex.

Anyway, I'll dig my old passport out and post a picture here of my stamps. If I'm not lying about the places that I've been, it is unlikely that I've lied about anything else...would you agree?

Seriously though, to make such an incredible statement without even knowing a thing about me... pretty poor taste.

this thread delivers #solidgold

Wow, three flame wars on the same thread. Is this a record?

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

this thread delivers #solidgold

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It delivers something, Christian, but I wouldn't call it gold.....lol

@Doctor_Screw: If you're trying to lead Jaime to rattle off as many racist slurs as she can in hopes of getting her banned, you're doing a pretty good job. Please stop, though. You're not exactly an angel in all of this; I'd suspect the forum mods notice that reaction doesn't take place without action. That might mean bad things for you, dude.

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Originally Posted by GrimFusion

@Doctor_Screw: If you're trying to lead Jaime to rattle off as many racist slurs as she can in hopes of getting her banned, you're doing a pretty good job. Please stop, though. You're not exactly an angel in all of this; I'd suspect the forum mods notice that reaction doesn't take place without action. That might mean bad things for you, dude.

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Thanks for that intervention, Grim. You're a good guy.

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Originally Posted by doctor screw

Ok.....ok.....lol

I just...really..... hate...... assholes,lol

I see what you mean,though.I'll stop my fun

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Thank you muchly, man.
Muchly isn't even a word.

Respect.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

If you go a whole lifetime without needing the assistance of others, count yourself among the very, very fortunate and pass that on to others.

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Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Thanks for that intervention, Grim. You're a good guy.

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Nope. I'ma douche bag. lol.
Thanks for the kind words though, Rob.
YOU'RE a good guy. :Bowdown:

Police report will be in our hands in a couple days, it WILL be posted.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't make glamour, movie star money even though we work our arses off on a daily basis...modeling, photographing, recording video, editing, eating right, traveling long distances, and looking our best...
so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by EvaCassini

Police report will be in our hands in a couple days, it WILL be posted.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't make glamour, movie star money even though we work our arses off on a daily basis...modeling, photographing, recording video, editing, eating right, traveling long distances, and looking our best...
so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.

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So you guys never considered using surgery money for rent? Really?!

The bullshit alarm is simply deafening today.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

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This.

Hey it's like someone once mentioned on another thread - it's fine to use the old route of going up to a hundred women and brashly asking if they wanna fuck and hope the odds will grant you one or two that say yes.
...but if you go that route,you have to be willing to put up with a few Fuck Off's.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

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I think this advice is good for many TS in general.

Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations - YouTube

TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg - YouTube

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations - YouTube

TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg - YouTube

~BB~

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Oooooo shit...lol

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Originally Posted by doctor screw

Oooooo shit...lol

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You know you love it. ;)

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Nobody is saying they can do that. We're just saying that there are proper ways of asking, appropriate people to ask, and acceptable circumstances under which to ask. Nobody got hurt and these are people who have money saved up and earmarked for other purposes who have admitted that they could easily divert funds to cover their losses. I mean, gee... is waiting an extra month for a boob job really THAT bad?! Seriously.

Again, I'm glad nobody got hurt, but they really need to woman up and deal with it and stop asking for unnecessary charity.

~BB~

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...and surprise... I agree with a couple of caveats.

The fact that "...nobody got hurt..." is a bit callous, don't you think? It is fortunate that nobody did get hurt here, but besides the point. The fact is (as we know right now) that someone used a violent act to steal from someone else. That, in and of itself, is deserving of a certain level of gravitas IMO. I can almost hear the outpouring of oohs... and awwws... and outpouring of how-terribles... if someone was shot and dead. But hey, no one did so let's make a big joke of the matter...? That just doesn't seem right to me.

Take one of these threads that comes along every once in a while about a Brazilian girl getting beaten or mugged or shot and killed. Look at the responses there. Are you telling me that people can relate more to a Brazilian girl who they've probably never seen except in pictures or movies, than one of the girls who actually posts here (however infrequently)?

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So, if I could put out a premise. HA is probably made up mostly of Fans of the genre (that being TS related porn), with a good portion being also the Transwomen you referred to earlier and the rest being trolls, bots, and other industry professionals.

So the question is this, Why would this NOT be considered an "appropriate" and "acceptable" place for someone (Tiffany, Eva, and Jamie) who surely has Fans on this forum to ask for said help? The very definition of Fan implies a desire to please and help the object of your fandom...? And why would you not give the opportunity for one of those Fans to help if he/she so desires? Would I do it? No. Do I care or react vehemently if someone else does? No. I don't think there is ONE person here, who would needlessly spend $550.00 on something if there was a chance someone else would give the money to you...?

Now granted, there are going to be questions asked and some who will not understand, and mockery, etc. etc. and the OP should be prepared for that... but that doesn't make it right... which is my point.

Ugg... Krissy, this is just porn. Get over yourself. Yeah, I get that. I just think maybe, possibly, there is room in porn for people to have just a shred of soul and decency... for both Fans and performers.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

...and surprise... I agree with a couple of caveats.

The fact that "...nobody got hurt..." is a bit callous, don't you think? It is fortunate that nobody did get hurt here, but besides the point. The fact is (as we know right now) that someone used a violent act to steal from someone else. That, in and of itself, is deserving of a certain level of gravitas IMO. I can almost hear the outpouring of oohs... and awwws... and outpouring of how-terribles... if someone was shot and dead. But hey, no one did so let's make a big joke of the matter...? That just doesn't seem right to me.

Take one of these threads that comes along every once in a while about a Brazilian girl getting beaten or mugged or shot and killed. Look at the responses there. Are you telling me that people can relate more to a Brazilian girl who they've probably never seen except in pictures or movies, than one of the girls who actually posts here (however infrequently)?

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So, if I could put out a premise. HA is probably made up mostly of Fans of the genre (that being TS related porn), with a good portion being also the Transwomen you referred to earlier and the rest being trolls, bots, and other industry professionals.

So the question is this, Why would this NOT be considered an "appropriate" and "acceptable" place for someone (Tiffany, Eva, and Jamie) who surely has Fans on this forum to ask for said help? The very definition of Fan implies a desire to please and help the object of your fandom...? And why would you not give the opportunity for one of those Fans to help if he/she so desires? Would I do it? No. Do I care or react vehemently if someone else does? No. I don't think there is ONE person here, who would needlessly spend $550.00 on something if there was a chance someone else would give the money to you...?

Now granted, there are going to be questions asked and some who will not understand, and mockery, etc. etc. and the OP should be prepared for that... but that doesn't make it right... which is my point.

Ugg... Krissy, this is just porn. Get over yourself. Yeah, I get that. I just think maybe, possibly, there is room in porn for people to have just a shred of soul and decency... for both Fans and performers.

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I understand your perspective. In fact, I think most of us do. We just don't agree with it. Sorry hon. People disagree with me all the time too, so I remind myself that they're morons and move on with my day. That said, we're a bunch of morons. Enjoy your game. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

this thread delivers #solidgold

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Yeah it's a category 5 shit storm, but it feels so good.:salad

It never gets old how a random thread can take on a life of its own.
Pure soap opera.

Evon was on tonight. Shame she didn't pop into this thread... I always love her fights! lol

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Originally Posted by loveboof

Evon was on tonight. Shame she didn't pop into this thread... I always love her fights! lol

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Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.

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Here; have mine.
:dead:

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Originally Posted by timxxx

Here's a better idea,advance them some $$$ on future work,better & more dignified than relying kindness of strangers.

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That was already done before I posted. Are these strangers on this board - or a community? I've met in RL around 50 of you or had off board interaction?
Any other brainy ideas?

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Wow, we could have had FOUR simultaneous shitstorms on one thread!!!

Life doesn't get any better than that.

Speaking of which, I need to get one.

A life, that is.

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You just reminded me that I'm all out of pop corn...

We barely have any money you jackass. Bella, your opinions arent wanted. You are a completely oblivious person in our lives. If you dont know how we are struggling then you must be well off, cuz we aint well off. Police report will be posted for everyone to see ....Bella how can you be so cruel, you rotten stoned out bitch.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

So you guys never considered using surgery money for rent? Really?!

The bullshit alarm is simply deafening today.

~BB~

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Steven, you are a saint in this. Im so glad of you! Thank you.

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Originally Posted by EvaCassini

We barely have any money you jackass. Bella, your opinions arent wanted. You are a completely oblivious person in our lives. If you dont know how we are struggling then you must be well off, cuz we aint well off. Police report will be posted for everyone to see ....Bella how can you be so cruel, you rotten stoned out bitch.

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That's not what Jamie said, you jackass. Eva, your neediness isn't wanted. You are a completely useless person in my life. If you don't know how I am struggling, then you must be self-centered, 'cuz I ain't well off. I don't care about your police report. Eva, how can you be so narcissistic, you two-faced, selfish bitch?

~BB~

Cant we all just get along ????

Hey all... I just got back from the hospital and haven't had time to see what's been going on on this thread since I originally posted it. I don't care to read through every page. It's obviously become a shit storm somehow. It wasn't meant to illicit any real replies at all, just a link to a donation page. I'm talking to Steven right now about removing the thread. Thanks.

(Eva: Just block Bella like I have. I never see any of the things she posts. Trolls hate to be ignored.)

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

I'm talking to Steven right now about removing the thread.

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Why? Because your plan here massively backfired like the rest of your other dozen 'pay me' posts, and now people are sick of your shit? :loser:

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

PLEASE help with my breast surgery. NEW Rewards System Installed!
http://www.gofundme.com/fogy8

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The troll here is you, but for the record: you didn't block me as long as your roomies haven't. I'm sure you'll still read everything I say, including this. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Nikka

who else was called a Retarded so far in this thread?

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timmeh ?

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Originally Posted by TS Evelyn Summers

The average pan handler makes $110,000/yr...Tax FREE!! prolly as do most escorts!!!!



Again....I'm in the wrong business!

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Would you like a pan for christmas then ? :)

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

Would you like a pan for christmas then ? :)

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I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

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Originally Posted by TS Evelyn Summers

I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

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Aww! That's adorable! <3

~BB~

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Originally Posted by TS Evelyn Summers

I wanna go on a date with you...thats what I want ;)


xoxo

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hehe xx that sounds a lot more fun than panning !!! xx

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Originally Posted by EvaCassini

so when we ASK for help...we literally mean, we really would appreciate assistance to continue giving you what you want from us, without struggle...so that you can enjoy the product we happily and proudly provide for you.
Thank you.

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The product you charge us for? You provide a service, we pay for it and then you want donations so you can carry on producing something we pay for? I'm sorry but that doesn't make much sense to me.

That's kinda like JK Rowling writing all the Harry Potter books and then asking for fans to donate so she can write the last book...and then sell it when it comes out. I'm not having a go here, but your statement just isn't a logical one.

I don't know you or Tiffany, but of the three of you, it seems Jamie was the one who would have gotten the least favourable reaction. You've got to understand that when someone asks for financial help, they aren't going to get it when they've previously posted about making more money than anyone else out of Grooby.

A good example is Jamie saying she'd raised enough money for the boob job. So we know she has a few thousand dollars sitting round, but now she wants us to give her $500 so she doesn't have to spend that money? If a homeless guy came to you in the street and said, "Can you spare me a dollar cause I don't want to break into this hundred dollar bill I've got", would you hand over the money? Of course not.

As I said before, the problem is that pornstars (in general, not just ts) like to make out that they have this amazing standard of living, which is obviously a smokescreen rather than admitting that porn is neither glamourous or fortune making. What happens then is that people believe that hype and then don't see why they should help out.

*sing* This is the thread that never ends... oh it goes on and on, my friend!

http://openparachute.files.wordpress...rgumentmid.jpg

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Genetic

As I said before, the problem is that pornstars (in general, not just ts) like to make out that they have this amazing standard of living,

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QFT, :lol:

Like Gangsta Rappers glorify their 'Thug Life' lifestyle but not wanting their fans to illegal downloading their music.

And Besides seanchai(if l understand him right) has already advanced them the cash.So why the begging thread :confused: