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That question was aimed at Bella - who claimed that I supported the use of the word "tranny" which helped for homeless, suicides/deaths & beatings of transwomen (or some shit like that).Quote:
Originally Posted by iagodelgado
The overall point being, we've used "tgirl" for years and I believe one of the most responsible for promoting it not just on our properties but suggestive of it's use on other companies.
I don't think Coca Cola was trying to be offensive...but they did expose a lot of dickheads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
My comment was written before I decided to read the whole thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
I didn't get any direction to Bella in this thread. I have no idea what the history is between you two in general, and I guess your quote above comes from the Tranny v Nigger thread, which I did not read. None of these points is significant, so I'll move on.
I'm an interested outsider, not within the industry. I haven't picked up on tgirl being used in any significant way within the porn industry. I am NOT saying you haven't promoted this term. I'm just not getting it as significant from the outside, whereas tranny and shemale are very definitely tightly associated with porn, and disconnected from issues outside of porn.
I also do not get the association between tgirl and CD/TV, whether in the UK or otherwise, but as a couple of the UK ladies have been adamant it is, I would have to defer to their experience.
If the issue is actually about getting a deferential term, on this basis it looks like I'd have to stop using tgirl, stop using trans as people seem to see it as an umbrella term, and actually go to transsexual or TS. Wow, has AVN actually done something smart in this area, or should they change their terminology?
Since you've pointed out this is about carrying over an on-going argument, I guess not a lot I'm saying is relevant, so I'll drop out of the discussion.
Other than that, there's some posts on p9/p10 of this thread that seem to break the personal attack rules, for me to the extent of a warning or ban. It's kind of like how rough HA was before you took over.
Agreed - action has been taken on all.Quote:
Originally Posted by iagodelgado
I'm with you on this. seems like a pretty common-sense thing too but obviously it isn't. From my observation, when the diminutive of a proper name is used for a 'racial, cultural, or gender group it - more often than not - is used to belittle, demean, and insult. I'm sure most of us know this - i.e.: Nigger for Negro, Chink for Chinese, Paki for Pakistani, Spic for Hispanic, and on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
I get what Steven and Krissy are saying (and Jamie too in the other thread) but I also sympathize with Bella's stance. They're all advocating for the community in their own way - just wish they can agree to disagree and leave at that.
As far as making a word 'the norm' I don't think anyone should be deciding or mandating 'the norm'. Education is the key and as bad as this thread has been (and the other one comparing tranny to nigger) it will hopefully serve to enlighten some of the cavemen reading.
PS - Did anyone notice the one poster who made the comment about Bella not being a woman and will never be a woman?
I disagree with you. We're not just "advocating" for the community in their own way... and to see it that way is to be blind to the truth of the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream
In my "advocating", I do not divide or create divisions. I'm advocating for a meeting place... an area where all Transsexuals and those assuming ANY Transgender identities can meet in PEACE, work out their differences, and co-exist.
As you'll see from a series of articles I'm currently working on for Transformation Magazine, I am just as harsh on the silliness that goes on in the CD/TV community as I am the bigotry that goes on in the TS one, and I suppose I'll catch hell for that as well.
CD/TV's have got to stop being stupid and making the whole community a laughing stock. Transsexuals have got to put this "superiority complex" behind them and realize they are an incredible minority reaching across a 5' table for dinner with 3' arms. It is a simple matter to just say, "Please pass the potatoes"... so why isn't it being said more?
I am convinced of this: Transsexuals will NEVER, and I mean NEVER accomplish anything towards anything even resembling equality or acceptance without two things (in this order):
1. Unifying as a whole with the Transgender community
2. Mainstream backing
That is simple strategy. Someone has to step up and try to pull the edges together and fit the puzzle pieces in. I am trying to help accomplish that goal. The LGB crowd did exactly that, put aside their differences and unified... and have largely WON. To them, if you're gay... you're gay. They stand largely united with few petty differences. The "T" crowd has been left behind because it eats itself.
He's been given a warning - as it seems to be his first offense. There won't be a next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream
Krissy it seems that you have exclusive rights on defining what is right, wrong, and in-between. I guess only your truth is important? You're preaching unity which is fantastic and i don't think anyone doubts your intentions are noble but you're bloody well savvy enough to know that that can only be accomplished through compromise - politics makes strange bedfellows is the cliche and it sure does apply here.
if you truly mean what you say then reaching agreement (more or less) with Bella should go a far way towards proving that you girls CAN unify.
Look, Bella is not here to defend herself anymore and thus I will not speak on what she has said any further except to ask of you:Quote:
Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream
Do you see "compromise" written ANYWHERE in what she has written regarding the CD/TV community? And I don't mean just writing "Oh they're OK" because she wants to appear "tolerant". Here is your answer: It isn't there. The very term "compromise" dictates a moving together of two objects to form one... you can't compromise with a brick wall, and trying to do so is futile.
I have never argued "right" or "wrong" or "in between" on this issue so I don't know to what you're referring to here. I have also never claimed that "my truth" (a phrase I have never written BTW) is the only one. If you have a specific question on something specific I have said or written, then ask that instead of making something up, please.
I have argued that most Transsexuals that I've engaged in ON THIS BOARD and in other avenues, cannot even accurately define the issue themselves, or more importantly, accurately define what separates themselves from the greater Transgender spectrum.
I have argued that many Transsexuals, will not be honest about their roots, their lives, their past. I have done so here in another thread. Honesty is key in having a debate. If you're going to make up some fairy tale that you knew before you were in the womb that you were Transsexual, then there is no room for debate at all.
I have argued that many Transsexuals have a superiority complex that hits them just about the time the are "beautiful" enough to live 24/7 as a "woman" - and then they magically forget where they actually came from. It is the story of ugly girl turned beauty queen who then bullies and ridicules all the ugly girls. From just the last few hours I can pull up a couple of examples of the "Yeah, I'm not one of them - eeww... gross" mentality that I find destructive from girls. (Folks - the Internet is forever... those pictures of you when you were first starting out in porn and could readily be identified as "just a CD" ... yeah... still around...)
I will engage ANYONE in polite, logical, discourse on any issues regarding the TS vs. TG issue. I'm not afraid of it and am educated on both sites. But, both sides have to be honest, open, and willing to LISTEN - all things I do. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to call you out if your points aren't valid, logical, or saying anything... If you don't agree, refute them as I do when I don't agree with your points. I don't dodge issues. I don't sidestep questions. I answer them... completely... honestly.
If you can sway me in my OPINIONS, then do so with logic and discourse. I am more than open to learning, adapting my opinions, and if a stronger argument can be made... I want to hear it and adopt it.
What do you mean Bella isn't here to defend herself anymore?
Sorry... I thought this was common knowledge. Sorry mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Historically, it did not happen like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
Pre-Stonewall, one movement of straight cross-dressers had split from the rest, using the simple notion that they would more chance of getting cross-dressing accepted if they left behind the categories society would not accept, namely homosexuals (whether CDs or not) and transsexuals.
A year after Stonewall, in the very first rights movements, gays were complaining about the 'queens' in the parade i.e. cross-dressers and transsexuals, on the basis that they would never get acceptance for gays with that sort of baggage in tow. Going solo they largely won, leaving the others to their devices.
Various movements have tried uniting those left behind, the 'queens', while others preferred to try to make progress by going separate ways.
This is not the thread to discuss properly whether more progress will be made with the CDs and TSs united, and/or linked to GLB, or separate. If you fancy batting that around, perhaps you'll start another thread, and I'll chip in more info.
But briefly, based on evidence, I conclude that both CDs and TSs would make more progress separately, with TS keeping gay at arm's length. There is a lot of hard medical evidence for genetic and biological factors in TS. I am not aware of any decent research into CDs.
It isn't a case of whether one group is superior. It is a case of difference.
The point of this thread, I think, has been a bit lost on everyone. It was a specific and targeted question for a reason that has been asked/answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by iagodelgado
OK, I feel you're a bit wandering. Did you have a question in quoting me?
You have used the following terms here:
straight cross-dressers
homosexuals
CDs
transsexuals
gays
queens
TSs
GLB
What is your point?
The stuff about "medical evidence" is pure nonsense. CD's are male... there is plenty of research on males... psychologically, biologically... and just about any other "ally". What is the point of that?
If your main point is the last couple of sentences. I disagree... because the difference is based in superiority... the two cannot be separated in the context I am using them.
I don't like tgirl...but I also don't like transgender either
I don't like tgirl...but I also don't like transgender either due to it being too broad. I like trans-woman or transsexual.
I don't feel crossdressers/transvestites/drag queens should be under the umbrella due to them being CIS people not suffering from dysphoria I feel it confuses the public on what a trans-woman really is and enforces the fact we are dressing up for thrills and laughs.
Tgirls is also a popular term crossdressers have owned now for quite sometime at parties/groups/social slang.
It's not about being better or higher spectrum it's about making people understand a trans-woman/man who has gone through transition is not doing it for fun, sex, or laughs. Many people think/confuse us and assume we get hard ons from wearing panties or are sexual deviants.
Why do many just refuse to call it a she/ her. Why do they have to be specifically addressed by their dysphoria? It's male or female you pick with the appropriate box.
I don't think that's the issue Evon. Clearly, we'd address you as a she/her/Ms. but for some situations a definition has to be drawn. For example, this board couldn't be called a "Board for girls" as it would bring in the wrong group.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
its just Internet, that stuff only need a update anyway:yayo:,real people know about tranny & crossdresser just by a picture,Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
i know the difference between libertyharkness ,kelly shore or sammi valentine with that other person who keep postin on this thread & look Asian:whistle::yayo:
... well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
This should also include girls who are very early in transition and WANT/DESIRE to transition but haven't went through it yet. So it's a state of mind and not a sexual kick.
I honestly don't mind Shemale/chick with dick for porn for googling purposes..
If someone is wanting to research trans-people on a serious level I wouldn't want a bunch of porn popping up.
At least when they type in transsexual/transgender psychological studies/right groups pop up.
Girls that go crazy over this I understand why, but they also need to think of it by internet searching/tags
In real life theres no situation where a definition needs to be drawn tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
in a situation like defining one for a porn blog, theres no difference or any name that would bring respect to the girls anyways. Just stick to porn terms, at least that feeds the fantasy.
I disagree - I believe there would be situations outside of porn but agree with the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Like????Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Please let me know as a transexual when you have needed to label yourself besides a female in social norms?
As an individual visiting a Doctor could have issues where you need to reveal yourself as a transsexual, similarly a lawyer or state dept.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
As a corporation putting in place worker rights and codes of conduct. There are places where a word has to be used.
By curious coincidence, a rather famous lady posted that a couple of days ago she visited a surgeon for pre-op discussion on major surgery she is to undergo a week from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
She pointed out that she was T, in case it made a difference.
It turns out it made no difference, but the lady in question was pleased that the surgeon handled this query in a totally professional manner.
Edited And Broken Into Two Segments By Me.
So here is are questions for you Kelly. Please answer them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Define Transsexual and define Transgender (using your own words with no outside links, etc.).
Is it possible for a Crossdresser / Transvestite / Drag Queen to also be Transsexual or do the two never exist together in one body?
Do you (or can you) become Transsexual? In other words, is there a learning curve where you actually come to the realization that you are something that you had no definition of to begin with?
This is utter nonsense. You know that I've never heard?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
A self-indentified CD say to a self-identified Transsexual, "What do you know? You're just a Transssexual."
You know what I hear in almost EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION I try to have with a self-identified Transsexual when they cannot defend their position, will not be honest, or will not realize they have a bigotry in themselves? "What do you know? You're just a CD."
There IS a superiority complex that does LARGELY exist in the Transsexual community. I can go through every heated conversation that I've had on this board with [almost - and I just put that in as a CYA] and pull up a quote that says the above thing almost word for word. Amber, Eva, Bella, Remy, and on and on... it is almost a given that it will be said, and intended as a slur.
OK... let's tackle this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Transsexuals, and some parts of the Transgender spectrum want the whole cake... and then another to eat as well. They want a world where they are completely immune to the dangers that everyone else faces (hate crime, bigotry, etc. etc.) AND they want to assimilate into the gender binaries we currently have. This cannot coexist at this time and here is the reason why.
It is PERCEPTION that matters. By in large, the PERCEPTION, rightly or wrongly, of the male in the street, the female on the street is that if you were born with a penis - you're male. If you were born with a vagina - you're female. PERIOD. This perception has been around since 6,000 years or billions and billions of years - depending on if you're religious or not - and guess what... it ain't gonna change any time soon.
So, unless (pre or non-op) Transsexuals and parts of the TG spectrum are willing to put up with skyrocketing hate crimes, YOU MUST accept that there is going to be a label... just out of the issue of safety alone, and for a few other smaller reasons as well. Or, I suppose there is the other case in which Transsexuals just stop being sexual beings and live lives completely without emotional or physical contact. That would solve the issue too.
When you date someone. You are putting your life into your own hands and therefore should be responsible for the consequences (and no, I'm not blaming the victim here so let's not even play that game - think people understand what I mean). If you choose to play Russian Roulette and lose - blame yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You do not know how the person is going to react when / if they have to find out on their own that you are Transsexual... either pre-op or post-op. They could be totally fine with it or they could start beating you to a pulp.
That's just one... a fairly important one for those who are interested in dating and developing a strong, nurturing relationship with another person though.
Look. If you have a problem with me, then man up and refute what I've said. Otherwise, at least show me the respect of using my name. What you've done is just cowardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonisthebest
Krissy I find you are on the defense? I am not sure why......I have plenty of friends that are crossdressers and drag queens. Those same friends would say they are NOT like me. So why the defense I have no idea. They take off their make up at night and go back to being the men they IDENTIFY being. They are happy individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
A transsexual "drag queen" aka show girl still views herself as a woman..just like women who do drag shows or "celebrity impersonators" I know several women who make money as drag queens. At the end of the day though they are CIS people who are either straight, bi, or gay females. Being a drag queen is a job..it's not a CONDITION..not dysphoric.
So to say we are like someone who get off in panties or fetishist or doing it strickly for financial and fun purposes is WRONG. You are saying because we all have the same outer form and some go farther in their goal of femininity we are still the same. Which is not the CASE.. being a TRANSSEXUAL has everything to do with the upstairs and how we IDENTIFY ourselves! It has everything to do with NOT being happy with what we see in the mirror. Feeling like we are trapped in a body that seems foreign to us. Having objects on it we can't deal with. I don't know any crossdressers/drag queens that have this issue.
Crossdressers/Drag Queens are typically CIS STRAIGHT/GAY/BISEXUAL men. They don't need counseling to find who they are. They are not dealing with hating their body on the outside. Not to mention I often found many transsexuals aren't even transsexuals. Just because they have boobs or take hormones doesn't make them TRANSSEXUAL. I know plenty of drag queens that identify as gay men, but got boobs etc so they could look the part more for their JOB. Just like I know many so called transsexuals that escort that got surgeries etc so they could make more money or they are fetishist on the glamour of being a woman and the validation they feel it brings from men.
Many girls self-medicate and don't even go to a counselor understand what's going on with them. Even when they do seek counseling I feel many are misdiagnosed and have body dysphoria instead of being transsexual. Due to not every psyhochologist is well versed in the topic. People are still very unaware of what goes on inside a transsexuals head even the CIS people that have studied us for years! Even people that think they know all about us because they interact with us. Until someone is a transsexual they can NEVER fully understand us. They will never know how we feel inside or how depressing and skin crawling it can be to be US. This is why I said what I said. Even when we explain our side I don't think people GRASP it totally.
So again I don't know WHY you are on the defense...
Transgender is an umbrella term I obviously posted a picture showing that. I feel it does more harm when they use "transgender" on a drag queen/crossdresser in an article (which they do) and then use transgender again with an actual trans-woman/man. It confuses the public what we are. Are we just dressing for fun, sex, or money or are we living our lives as any other CIS person? I do not like the word, because it being so broad and it is used so much in the media on anyone that was born a man wearing womens clothing. I feel it does a disservice to transsexuals.
I can't tell you how many times I have interacted with people that assumed transsexuals were drag queens or crossdressers. I can't tell you the countless times I was hanging with CIS people who didn't know about me talk about transsexuals as people that like to get off in panties. This is the message that is being sent, because they confuse all of us due to us being all lumped in together!
Not to mention if we weren't "DIFFERENT" there wouldn't be different labels and definitions for each of us. So your point to me is silly..not to mention IRRELEVANT, IGNORANT, and OFFENSIVE to a trans-woman. We are not the same...you can focus on the body all you like. I focus on what goes on upstairs.
We are different............not better..not higher..but different.
Being a transsexual has nothing to do with the outside body..I know plenty of drag queens that underwent surgeries and taken hormones to look the part. Doesn't mean they are transsexual, especially since they still IDENTIFY as GAY MEN at the end of the day.
First of all... I noticed you didn't answer the questions I posed or define the terms I asked you to define.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Kelly... I'm not on the defense or "offended" by what you've said at all. I disagree with it. And, since you posted it on a public forum, I can only surmise that it is for the purposes of discussion. Just because I don't agree and challenge a point, doesn't mean I'm being defensive... it means I don't agree and wish to discuss it. That being said...
Specifically, this is what you said, that I disagree with (anything in bold and in parenthesis is my commentary):
"I don't feel crossdressers/transvestites/drag queens (I find it incredible that you, being supposedly learned on the subject, would lump these three together - the two first terms are possibly interchangeable - the term Drag Queen is completely separate and should not even part of the discussion) should be under the umbrella (I'm assuming you mean the "Transgender" umbrella) due to them being CIS people not suffering from dysphoria [sic] I feel it confuses the public on what a trans-woman really is and enforces the fact we are dressing up for thrills and laughs."
Let us look at your statement... which is unequivocal. That is to say, you have not left any room for debate... no modifiers used ("some", "many", "a few", "the majority" etc. CD's, TV's, drag queens). If you wish to revise your statement then do so.If I take it as it stands, you are saying by implication:
1. No CD/TV/DQ (in your opinion) suffers dysphoria. It is therefore logical to assume that you are in fact saying, no CD/TV/DQ is EVER Transsexual.
2. ALL CD/TV/DQ dress up for "thrills and laughs". I would ask you... WHAT are you basing this statement on?
Now, that being said, you have LARGELY walked back your first post/statement in the latter half of your most recent post/statement. Would you have done so if you were never challenged on it? I strongly doubt it.
THIS is the "superiority complex" that I am addressing and that has got to stop. Transsexuals cannot issue statements about Transgender individuals that are WRONG, because they think it strengthens their positions, or because they know that other like-minded Transsexuals will give them a hearty pat on the back and a thumbs-up, and then only walk them back or correct them when challenged. It is irresponsible at best and damaging to your (our?) larger cause at worst (it creates division).
My position and petition is this: issue the correct statement FIRST... to begin with... one that is accurate, correct, and doesn't need to be challenged because it is TRUE. Otherwise, if you go unchallenged, you are just spreading an incorrect, divisive, and damaging view... which is what you're really arguing against in the first place (i.e. - you dislike that the public perception is that Transsexual = men in panties).
As to your last paragraph...
And you blame the Transgender community for the perceptions of the public at large? Isn't that a pretty large burden to put on a relatively few individuals? Wouldn't you be better served by saying:
You know what? Transsexuals had better start getting their acts together, unifying, and educating the public in real, tangible ways instead of just blaming Transgender individuals all the time.
I will take tangible action over cheap talk any day of the week.
My opinion comes from this Krissy!Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
I have been a female impersonator and did pageants for years! Along the way coming across all sorts of different entertainers and people. People who I assumed were transsexuals because they had boobs, facial surgeries, and took hormones. I was taken aback when they told me oh girl no I just do this for the money I'm still a gay man.
I have many friends who are crossdressers. Mostly straight and mostly Republican men with great jobs.
This where my opinion stems from..
If a drag queen/transvestite/crossdresser IDENTIFY AS A WOMAN IN THE HEAD..they are not any of those..they are TRANSSEXUAL
How is it so hard for you comprehend this??
A drag queen/transvestite/crossdresser do not typically identify as anything but being a MAN or a WOMAN..they enjoy living their lives as what they were born.
And theate and tell me how does anyone who isn't a transsexual have the right to say we are the same or what is OFFENSIVE and not OFFENSIVE...
We are NOT THE SAME..no matter how you cut it..
I am 31 years old I have been conversing and talking to people online and asking questions and even playing characters or saying things to get reactions from people for KNOWLEDGE.
We are not the same..never will be..
and I did answer the question go back..I even posted a diagram..
There is no superiority in me saying crossdressers, transvestites, or drag queens are not like us. That's you reflecting your own issues and problems.
I would like to know how we are the same Krissy?? Other than that we were all born genetically male...
Kelly:Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Where... PLEASE TELL ME WHERE... I have EVER stated that all CD/TV are Transsexual?
Find it and I will disappear off this board forever... and that is a promise. So search hard because you would make a lot of people happy.
I have never postulated such a view and never will.
What I HAVE argued is that the two terms "Transsexual" and "Transgender" are not mutually exclusive. I have yet to meet a self-identified Transsexual who can explain to me LOGICALLY why they are or should be mutually exclusive.... YET... almost every self-identified, academic Transsexual (I've also met others who just don't care - just as clarification) will argue the point to their dying breath.
My point of view is this:
You can be Transsexual... and never change a thing about yourself physically or make any effort to undergo "transition" at all. Period. It just means you have adapted mentally and physically to live with the feelings you have and/or have personal or external reasons for preventing a physical alteration.
You can be Transgender and slowly (or quickly) come to the realization (through education, exploration, self-examination, etc.) that you are, in fact, Transsexual.
I will take some advice from a different thread here though.
Kelly, if you can't define your terms, here and now in writing, we have nothing further to discuss.
Define, in your own words:
Transsexual
Transgender
And state plainly - In your own opinion, can you become Transsexual, or is this a state of being that is dependent only one's cognitive ability?
Republicans screaming about homosexuality who crossdress and bend for the strap on and/or bbc lmfao u can't make this shit up.
Transgender is an UMBRELLA TERM...IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING JUST A TRANSSEXUAL..IT IS AN UMBRELLA TERM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Meaning anyone that was born with a birth defect or was born genetically the opposite sex they dress as are put under that umbrella term. Because society deems we are all the same.....RIGHT??
And I said I was quite aware and stated TRANSSEXUALISM HAS NOTHING DO WITH THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE!! IT HAS TO DO WITH WHATS GOING ON UPSTAIRS. THOUGH I would ARGUE JUST BECAUSE A PERSON GETS USED TO the idea of living as a woman OR LIKES THE ATTENTION LIVING AS A WOMAN DOESN'T MAKE THEM A TRANSSEXUAL IN MY OPINION STILL! Just because they are happy living as a woman over living as a man doesn't mean they are transsexual. Many of these people find it maybe they are more attractive as a woman, get more attention, or find it easier. They are doing it for a more selfish purpose than it being about whats going on inside their HEAD...
I have met and counseled plenty of men that identified as women, but due to family and being scared would never transition. I still treated them as woman though, because I know it might be the only comfort they will get. I can't imagine the imprisoned state they have to deal with.
So again I do not under your "superiority" crap.
You just said that we aren't the same..so where in the hell are we disagreeing??
Krissy I have a long standing as an activist and counseling at transgender conferences and groups.
I just rejoined with the NCTE to get back into it.
So to say I act superior is offensive...
Edited by me:
Look, I could pick your post apart and talk about you making choices, and say that you've just proven my point, and blah blah blah. We're all tired of me doing that. So I will just say this to sum up what you've said:Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
So, there is no superiority in GENETICALLY BORN WOMEN saying that Transsexuals are not like them. If you have a problem with that, you're just reflecting your own issues and problems.
Your own argument defeats the very equality that you say you want and belies the bigotry you are unwilling to face.
No honestly I have no issue with them saying that, here is why.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
I don't presume to know 100% what it's like to be a woman, just like I don't presume to know what it's like to be post-operative. At this moment in my life, because I'm non-op I will never know it. It's why when I speak to post-operative trans-women it fascinates me. I even sometimes yearn for that side of life, however I just don't feel the surgery is up to par for my liking.
I know I'm a transsexual woman and what I deal with. I know a 100% what being a transsexual is about. That's what I DO KNOW.
I am a woman in my mind, but I think I miss out on things a cis woman deals with. Just like many women I have spoken to who can't have babies they feel like they are missing on something about being a woman.
It's not a superiority thing..it's about knowing that trans-women/men identify as the opposite sex they were born and crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens are typically CIS people that do it part time. They live as men and are happy that way. They are typically treated like any other man as long as nobody knows.
A transsexual doesn't have that luxory, but what we do have is contempt and confusion from mainstream society thinking we do it for sexual purposes, fetish, laughs, and financial purposes. That's what we get..so you really don't understand why it would annoy us??
If anyone is acting superior it's you...