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Ha ha ha,, yes, I am a basket case,, I admit that,, I even use two commas instead of one,,.
But really, yes, I am emotionally unstable, I know some people don't like to hear excuses and stuff but I was abused, homeless and other shit happened and these events did damaged some brain cells, but I wouldn't classify it as a ts thing, just a personal thing. Cause there are other people in the world who are not ts and they have emotional problems.
I got confused with the question, I thought it meant mentally unstable,, that describes me as well,, I kinda thought emotionally and mentally were the same thing, my brain don't work so good this early in the morning.
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natina
NO!
thats how you make a transsexual
Wtf are u into forced feminization ?
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RangeHova
In fact, i find myself giving transwomen a little more room to be extra emotional. I'll give a transwoman a little more wiggle room when in relationships just because of my respect for the struggle that they go through. I also find that with the emotional stuggles comes other positives that can outweigh the negative.
Some of the best loving that I have recieved (not talking physical loving) has come from women that were a little more emotional. Love is an emotion, and some emotionally conflicted women (GG or trans) can be great and committed girlfriends because they bring more to the table.
So while it can come off as dissing transwomen for me it is not.
I like what you wrote here.
Im an emotional girl, but emotionally unstable for me means fighting and argueing with your lover, and i dont think im like that at all.
For me emotions sex love are all inseperable aspects, but at the same time i always take full responsibility for my emotions, its the way i am and how i enjoy life...i also love the intensity of the emotions of love, its a challange, adventurous, like learning to ride a fast horse
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Ha-Ha-Ha-Haaaa.....soooo funny!:dancing:
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Yvonne183
Ha ha ha,, yes, I am a basket case,, I admit that,, I even use two commas instead of one,,.
But really, yes, I am emotionally unstable, I know some people don't like to hear excuses and stuff but I was abused, homeless and other shit happened and these events did damaged some brain cells, but I wouldn't classify it as a ts thing, just a personal thing. Cause there are other people in the world who are not ts and they have emotional problems.
I got confused with the question, I thought it meant mentally unstable,, that describes me as well,, I kinda thought emotionally and mentally were the same thing, my brain don't work so good this early in the morning.
hahaha Youre funny
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slingblade
hahaha Youre funny
Actually that was one of my few serious posts I made on this forum. Except for the part about the commas,, I was trying to be serious about the abuse part,, well I tried, maybe I shouldn't mix my posts like I did. But it's OK as long as it's laughing and not hating.
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The boys start laughing when we are serious yvonne, typical, hihi, but its better then making them cry, i guess! Lol
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Birgitta
Hi so what dosage do you use?
From my experience hormones made me emotionally more stable then when i had to deal with the testo, still they also havr made me feel like an old woman, which is a really awefull feeling, i think most of us girls are neglected by our doctors, not everyone responds the same to hormones and when it goes wrong it can be aserious problem on an emotional and energetic, physical level,
I take less now, but in 1994 when I first started HRT I took 10 milligrams of premarin a day, combined with a shot once a week of 2 cc's of estrodial 40 milligrams per millimeter, with 200 milligrams of spiro....this dose is VERY high I am lucky I am not dead, I would not advise anyone to take this much. I didn’t get my hormones from the doctor, I knew a pharmacy that would sell over the counter in the Bronx, because I was broke and didn’t have insurance, and I couldn’t afford the doctors appt combined with having to pay for the hormones.
Today I am not broke and have insurance so I do things the right way. I take a shot maybe once a month, and 2.5 milligrams of premarin every 2 days.
As far as being neglected by doctors, I find a lot of trannys afraid of doctors. Don’t be passive and do your home work, and don’t just go along with what the doctor says, stand up and ask questions.
As far as being mentally stable hormones play a big role, you want to try and keep the hormone levels consistent and in return keeping your mood consistent. Other factors as far as lifestyle, drugs, upbringing…ect all play a role in mental state.
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no (^%$^$^%#$E&*^%) is stable
who you think your foolin?
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natina
no (^%$^$^%#$E&*^%) is stable
who you think your foolin?
Is that the reason your always posting random shit on this forum?
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natina
no (^%$^$^%#$E&*^%) is stable
who you think your foolin?
If you like your girlfriend to be emotionally unstable,
Then im emotionally unstable anytime you want to looooooool haha
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First let me say that emotionally unstable shouldn't carry the same stigma as psychotic, insane or even nuts. At most I would define it as neurotic. Second, almost EVERYBODY has some kind of neurosis. It's a fact of life that I have yet to meet a person that was completely well adjusted and has been their entire life. And finally yes I am emotionally unstable, and so are all of my friends to some degree. Even the very best life history stories of the t girls I know have hardship and difficulty. You simply don't go through a life this hard without having a few quirks or ticks in your personality.
That doesn't mean we are bad people it just means that we occasionally have an off day or off week. We might take an offhand comment the wrong way, we might be a little insecure, we might loose our temper over something trivial and trite. But we can also be kind loving funny and intelligent people. As with everything in life you have to be willing to take the bad with the good and hopefully the good outweighs the bad.
As for the list of traits of a tranny chaser that has been passed around this thread.........A lot of these are true of a lot of the men I have met, but they are a stereotype and not all of it is true. That being said, a majority of the men who have contacted me ARE married. Many of them do have ODD fetishes (and when I say Odd I'm talking chastity belts, mommy fantasies, and a desire to lick unwipped ass after taking a poop). Many of them are cross dressers (no big deal but if you are going to do it then do it right and shave your fucking body hair). A few of them treat all women like sex objects but that is fairly uncommon for me thank God. Many of them do lie, many of them are ashamed, and a few of them do have self hatred. None of this is absolute however and all men don't deserve to be tarred with the same brush anymore then all trans-girls deserve to be treated like they have the exact same emotional issues.
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msbhaven
Second, almost EVERYBODY has some kind of neurosis. It's a fact of life that I have yet to meet a person that was completely well adjusted and has been their entire life.
I like what you said here. I think it is largely true, albeit I've encountered some very grounded people in life before. They seem to be more the exception than the rule. And by grounded I'm speaking of people with a depth of empathy that surpasses political, national, racial, gender, sex, or religious identification.
In my experience and observation of the world most of us have to come to an opinion by popular consent through are political, national, and racial identification. Religion, sex, and gender takes a back seat for most people. In other words their political, national, and racial identification informs all their other identifications as to what is proper to believe.
I say all this because I think it bears on how society at large judges personality and character traits.
There are some transsexuals on this board from the posts I've read that strike me as largely intelligent and "mentally and emotionally stable" people for lack of better phrasing.
On the other hand the vast majority of transsexuals posting on this board strike me as shallow people and mentally and emotionally very troubled.
I personally cast great doubt on any person being born a girl trapped in a boys body. It strikes me as a psychological issue possibly largely resulting from environment. I don't buy into the genetic or biological heritability of homosexuality either. I think most biologists and geneticists understand the problems in that underlying contention and that is why they shy away from confronting bisexuality. It's all problematic in light of the theory of evolution and that's why it's a lot of hurdle jumping to reconcile it with evolutionary theory. In terms of evolution and reproduction... if you have XY chromosomes and have a penis and testicles then you're meant - by design - to reproduce, pass on your genes with a female.
But lots of things are polticized today. There is nothing in biology regarding an 18 year old male having sex with a 17 year old female as "immoral" or "unethical." It's an amoral issue for biology. And frankly it makes perfect sense for an 18 year old male to have sex with a 17 year old female. Those states that make it illegal have do so from political interest groups.
I digressed. But any person that wants to have a sex change has psychological issues already contradicting the evolutionary design of their bodies.
But life is challenging and complex and most humans have some aspects of themselves that is far from perfection - if perfection denotes an angelic or Buddha like quality and enlightenment free from all the "cravings" of the world.
I have my own emotional and psychological issues and I'm not transsexual. Hell, men that threaten transsexuals simply because they are transsexuals have major emotional and psychological issues.
I have a fetish for transsexuals (boys become girls). And I do not regard transsexuals as members of the female sex. And no one is going to intimidate me into believing that simply due to peer pressure. But I do accept transsexuals as members of the female gender. Because they are. I'll treat them accordingly and refuse to treat them as men (members of the male or masculine gender). But most importantly transsexuals are members of the human race and family.
I have some very sexy, attractive looking transsexuals that have moved into my neighborhood sharing a house together a few blocks away from me. I spoke in their defense one day when some guy was verbally harassing them. They stuck up for themselves though. But talking and hanging out with them that night I picked up on them being "working girls" or prostitutes (whether full or part time I don't know). One was digging me as much as I was digging her. But she told me she likes to fuck guys in the ass. When I questioned that, she responded, "I have a penis, why do you think I've kept it."
When it comes to sex, orgasm, or ejaculation we all tend to justify our sexual desires - ergo NAMBLA.
Every "enlightened" guy that wants to fuck a "tranny" is the most sympathetic and sure guy she's a real woman (besides gender wise). I think it more likely he has a fetish for T-girls like myself. Mind you, in my opinion it is not the worse fetish a person could have. And for males that want to look like and be fucked like females they are not free of their own issues. But once you take hormones and live that way their is little choice of living any differently. I think I empathize with that.
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What a ridiculous question/comment from the OP. What more inanity awaits on this board and can we expect:
Are Transsexuals human?
Do Transsexuals Love?
How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
Where do Transsexuals live?
What do Transsexuals do at clubs (that might be here too)?
What kind of food do Transsexuals eat?
It's enough to make one think this board is visited by earnest anthropologists dedicated to the study of 'the cock and its many manifestations ergo I am interested in transsexuals purely as an exercise of scientific observation and not because I have any sexual attraction to them whatsoever'.
Transsexuals can you comment on the above?
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Are Transsexuals human?
No we are more like otherworldly fairy beings :)
Do Transsexuals Love?
Yes, unconditionally :)
How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
Standing up in dirty public toilets, one of the blessings of being a tgirl..
Where do Transsexuals live?
Mostly at night, and in twilight ..
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Birgitta
Are Transsexuals human?
No we are more like otherworldly fairy beings :)
Do Transsexuals Love?
Yes, unconditionally :)
How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
Standing up in dirty public toilets, one of the blessings of being a tgirl..
Where do Transsexuals live?
Mostly at night, and in twilight ..
Thanks for the laugh although you did forget to answer what they do at clubs and what kind of food they eat. I'm thinking of opening a dinner club for transsexuals and I want to make sure I understand their mating habits, social dynamic, and culinary preferences. See I know they are radically different than the rest of 'us' so the normal rules for socializing, dating, and fucking just don't apply. You'll be doing a great service to the 'men' who are 'attracted to transsexuals' without ever having met one face to face much less talked to or made love to one as my club will be perfectly geared to them ;-)
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I like what you said here. I think it is largely true, albeit I've encountered some very grounded people in life before. They seem to be more the exception than the rule. And by grounded I'm speaking of people with a depth of empathy that surpasses political, national, racial, gender, sex, or religious identification.
In my experience and observation of the world most of us have to come to an opinion by popular consent through are political, national, and racial identification. Religion, sex, and gender takes a back seat for most people. In other words their political, national, and racial identification informs all their other identifications as to what is proper to believe.
I say all this because I think it bears on how society at large judges personality and character traits.
There are some transsexuals on this board from the posts I've read that strike me as largely intelligent and "mentally and emotionally stable" people for lack of better phrasing.
On the other hand the vast majority of transsexuals posting on this board strike me as shallow people and mentally and emotionally very troubled.
I personally cast great doubt on any person being born a girl trapped in a boys body. It strikes me as a psychological issue possibly largely resulting from environment. I don't buy into the genetic or biological heritability of homosexuality either. I think most biologists and geneticists understand the problems in that underlying contention and that is why they shy away from confronting bisexuality. It's all problematic in light of the theory of evolution and that's why it's a lot of hurdle jumping to reconcile it with evolutionary theory. In terms of evolution and reproduction... if you have XY chromosomes and have a penis and testicles then you're meant - by design - to reproduce, pass on your genes with a female.
But lots of things are polticized today. There is nothing in biology regarding an 18 year old male having sex with a 17 year old female as "immoral" or "unethical." It's an amoral issue for biology. And frankly it makes perfect sense for an 18 year old male to have sex with a 17 year old female. Those states that make it illegal have do so from political interest groups.
I digressed. But any person that wants to have a sex change has psychological issues already contradicting the evolutionary design of their bodies.
But life is challenging and complex and most humans have some aspects of themselves that is far from perfection - if perfection denotes an angelic or Buddha like quality and enlightenment free from all the "cravings" of the world.
I have my own emotional and psychological issues and I'm not transsexual. Hell, men that threaten transsexuals simply because they are transsexuals have major emotional and psychological issues.
I have a fetish for transsexuals (boys become girls). And I do not regard transsexuals as members of the female sex. And no one is going to intimidate me into believing that simply due to peer pressure. But I do accept transsexuals as members of the female gender. Because they are. I'll treat them accordingly and refuse to treat them as men (members of the male or masculine gender). But most importantly transsexuals are members of the human race and family.
I have some very sexy, attractive looking transsexuals that have moved into my neighborhood sharing a house together a few blocks away from me. I spoke in their defense one day when some guy was verbally harassing them. They stuck up for themselves though. But talking and hanging out with them that night I picked up on them being "working girls" or prostitutes (whether full or part time I don't know). One was digging me as much as I was digging her. But she told me she likes to fuck guys in the ass. When I questioned that, she responded, "I have a penis, why do you think I've kept it."
When it comes to sex, orgasm, or ejaculation we all tend to justify our sexual desires - ergo NAMBLA.
Every "enlightened" guy that wants to fuck a "tranny" is the most sympathetic and sure guy she's a real woman (besides gender wise). I think it more likely he has a fetish for T-girls like myself. Mind you, in my opinion it is not the worse fetish a person could have. And for males that want to look like and be fucked like females they are not free of their own issues. But once you take hormones and live that way their is little choice of living any differently. I think I empathize with that.
Oh my god, you are a basket case ! Lol...
Psychological issues caused by envirement?????
What the hell would have happened to me as a 3 year old???
Cause I knew it the moment i went to school that i was a girl...i was 3 years old! And am not bullshitting you...
As for the buddha, i would like to see you become so enlightened that you choose the soul over your body, coz that is what transsexuals do...
You are inmensely unattractive for thinking this narrowminded and at the same time calling us a fetish thats "not so bad"
Guys on here never cease to amaze me, not the way they think, but that they think we would even slightly be interested in guys thinking so shallow and stupid like this...
To me your post proves to me your mentally way behind where i am, and im less arrogant about it too..
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Birgitta
Oh my god, you are a basket case !
We agree on something finally! And you get points for reading through all that he wrote and trying to address it in an intelligent fashion. The only thing he failed to put forth in his 'argument' was a goverment conspiracy to reduce the human population by brainwashing people into thinking they were born the wrong sex!
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What the hell are some of you guys doing here?
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Are Transsexuals human?
Yes, except for the zombie transsexuals like me.
Do Transsexuals Love?
Yes, we especially love pizza.
How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
When not wearing my "hello kitty" diaper I usual pee behind the dumpster.
Where do Transsexuals live?
Behind the other dumpster.
What do Transsexuals do at clubs (that might be here too)?
We point and laugh at the straight normal people trying to dance. Or we hang out in the bathroom.
What kind of food do Transsexuals eat?
Pizza and the zombie tgirls eat brains.
In one way I agree with "The Thing" in his post, environment did play a role in my mental state and my being a tgirl. I know some don't agree with that, but for me and I only speak for me, I feel events around me did shape my life for the future of who I am today, whether it be bad or good.
Look at it this way. If a woman was raped and the experience was really bad, so much so that her life was never the same again. She developed a hatred towards men that she never had before, and maybe she developed other mental issues like depression, DID or suicidal. One could say that her environment played a role in her mental state,, it made her what she is today, well, in a way, but not exactly the same way, I feel similar. I was not born a woman, I never felt like a girl at a young age until events and things happened to me. OK, maybe one can then say that I could be cured by shrinks if this is so,, maybe, I don't know, but why change when I am quite happy at what I become, I hurt no one being the way I am today.
I hope that made sense.
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How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
When not wearing my "hello kitty" diaper I usual pee behind the dumpster.
After reading your post, I wish I had been wearing a 'Hello Kitty' diaper :-(
Your experience which led you to become who you are today is probably less common for the majority of transpeople. Although I certainly haven't done any research in that area everything I've read tells me your experience may be somewhat unique. Of course, how you got to who you are is only relevant if you make it relevant. If you're happy then that's all that matters. Afterall how many of us can truly say we are happy with our lives and with ourselves?
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After reading your post, I wish I had been wearing a 'Hello Kitty' diaper :-(
Your experience which led you to become who you are today is probably less common for the majority of transpeople. Although I certainly haven't done any research in that area everything I've read tells me your experience may be somewhat unique. Of course, how you got to who you are is only relevant if you make it relevant. If you're happy then that's all that matters. Afterall how many of us can truly say we are happy with our lives and with ourselves?
Maybe I should clarify my post a bit. I am happy being a tgirl and would not want to change for anything. But there are things in my life that I am not happy about, like not having money, other mental things and stuff like that, but I am happy being a tgirl.
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Yvonne183
Maybe I should clarify my post a bit. I am happy being a tgirl and would not want to change for anything. But there are things in my life that I am not happy about, like not having money, other mental things and stuff like that, but I am happy being a tgirl.
I understood you. Remember, we exchanged words in another thread where you were expressing some....let's say displeasure with your current situation! Suffice to say though, you're happy to be yourself even if you'd rather be someplace else.
And btw I still think you could get out if you really wanted to.
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Birgitta
Oh my god, you are a basket case ! Lol...
That would be what one calls a personal attack. You might take special note (given you think you lack arrogance) I never called a transsexual (that would include you) a basket case for their transformation.
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What the hell would have happened to me as a 3 year old???
Cause I knew it the moment i went to school that i was a girl...i was 3 years old! And am not bullshitting you...
It's such an early age - which I figured one would mention - that leads me to believe it is environmentally caused.
Stating one is a girl - especially in light of feminist ideology and or scholarship - necessarily begs the question what is a girl? I doubt wearing skirts because most men in the West wore skirts and togas until the adopted trousers from the nomadic tribesmen of the East such as the Scythians.
Most feminist would argue gender roles are socially constructed. There is some truth in that though my opinion would be that's not entirely 100% true.
Sex and gender are not one and the same thing. A person can have the opposite gender of their biological sex. Sociologist and the Catholic Church by the way both concur with this. However, the former takes it just as it is without moral judgement and the latter construes it immoral to have the opposite gender of your sex.
If you have XY chromosomes you are biologically male. "The soul" is not a concept in biology but a concept of metaphysics or religion. The sciences study the material and quantitative and only propose theories that are falsifiable.
You can appeal to the soul - which I'm sympathetic to because I use religion and or metaphysics to understand and relate to life myself - but understand that puts you in a logical catch 22 if you are one of these adherents of Darwinian evolution that rejects a distinct human soul that survives human death. In the science of biology everything must make sense in light of evolution, or better stated all theories must find a logical coherence with theory of evolution and be explainable in terms of evolution (e.g., natural selection).
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As for the buddha, i would like to see you become so enlightened that you choose the soul over your body, coz that is what transsexuals do...
I'm reared Catholic though not a practicing Catholic today. I admire the sophistication of Buddhist metaphysical philosophy too (though I'm not sure I agree with its pessimistic view of the material world or the female and specifically her vagina) and I have more than my fair share of sins and regrets. I think whether one is Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, or Muslim they are indoctrinated to have self reflection and an awareness of sin or personal sin. Somethings they might disagree on what sin is. But at any rate "choosing the soul" in all those traditions infers not choosing to sin.
But my other post was attempting to address the issue through the lens of science. Specifically the science of biology. I was not trying to use the lens of religion or metaphysical musings about an invisible, non-quantitative, non-material "soul."
Science is suppose to be objective and divorced from political agenda. Physics, chemistry, and biology are all amoral on issues we demand to moralize in popular discourse. When ecologist might study wolves preying on moose they don't cast moral judgement of "murder" or wolves violently tearing their teeth into moose as "wrong."
I was simply attempting to dispassionately give my opinion on human beings - which included transsexuals.
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You are inmensely unattractive for thinking this narrowminded and at the same time calling us a fetish thats "not so bad"
A member of NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Lovers Association - if I recall correctly what the acronym stands for) would likely call me "narrow minded" too. Pedophiles can be 15 years old and throughout the rest of their lives have this urge from the unknown - their "soul" as it were - attracting them to pre-pubescent children.
And I did not call you or transsexuals a fetish. At least not in the sense of that being what you as a complex human being are reducible too. I think what I said was that I have a fetish for transsexuals and arguably most if not all men that are attracted to transsexuals - pre-op transsexuals perhaps - have a fetish for them.
Why lie about it? And this site certainly does not negate qualities promtoing and attempting to cash in on "tranny" or "shemale" fetish.
If one is mature about human sexuality I think they would have to admit most if not all humans develop sexual fetishes of some sort. It can be "domination" to "high heels." Some gay men have a specific fetish for "twinks" (young looking men or teenage boys). That does not make all 16 and 20 year old males a fetish. But it does not negate some gay men have a specific fetish for males that age - or males that look that age.
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Guys on here never cease to amaze me, not the way they think, but that they think we would even slightly be interested in guys thinking so shallow and stupid like this...
You say it's shallow and stupid. But I suspect you would find most scientific literature shallow and stupid.
Many if not all of the politically driven "pro-gay" scientific studies published actually present very stereotypical views of homosexuals (whom they mean gay men - because they draw distinction between homosexuals and lesbians). Nothing I've stated descended into stereotypes.
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To me your post proves to me your mentally way behind where i am, and im less arrogant about it too..
Your response only evidences you are emotionally invested (understandably so) in a position on the issue and prejudiced to any view contradicting yours.
At a very young age children do not understand sex let alone sexual attraction. That's why children innocently run around butt naked in their homes. The Genesis story gives a fictional narrative of a loss of innocence resulting with the protagonists Adam and Even coming to a realization of their nakedness and feeling a shame. You don't pull your skirt up in front of your father or male relatives, exposing your feminine butt and penis, because you would feel shame from exposing your naked genitals and you know it would embarrass them. I think most if not all of are like this.
It would seem to me a 3 year old "knowing" their sex to be opposite than what their biological sex is, suggests environmental causes. Possibly fondling by an older male. Possibly not that but could be any nuanced cause. I know I distinctly recall being confused about my sex at a very early age. It took the effort of me militantly guarding my mind to not think I was a girl. This in a large part - I recall distinctly - came from being told I was a boy by my parents but every adult pinching me on the cheek telling stating, "Aww... what a cute girl!" I remembering this greatly angered and distressed me all the time. Did not help that my mother was hell bent on playing with my hair as a girl.
In the end biology and the theory of evolution has nothing to do with "the soul" no more than it does angels. And natural selection does not work on "souls" nor does descent with modification.
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runningdownthatdream
We agree on something finally! And you get points for reading through all that he wrote and trying to address it in an intelligent fashion. The only thing he failed to put forth in his 'argument' was a goverment conspiracy to reduce the human population by brainwashing people into thinking they were born the wrong sex!
My major is biology - not anthropology.
I've also had to read - in a philosophy of biology course (that would be philosophy not science proper) - different scientifically published papers on the issue of the biological or genetic heritability of homosexuality. Most the papers were defending the the position it is genetically inherited. Only one did not, although one of our required books touched on the issue and pointed out the fallacies in some of the oft stated things in its defense.
From experience online, I've come to find that it is those not formally educated in the sciences that generally respond with personal attacks and suggestions someone is stupid when they contradict a position they have on human sexuality. Often these are the same people quick to claim to be "moved" by science.
Writing in science is a different stylized genre than say philosophy or fiction. It's usually very dry (but then so is philosophical writing) writing and contrary to what the average person might think, it's utterly devoid of emotion. Although, I have to take that back and say that is not always the case, some of the most hostile debates over the theory of evolution for example, have come between scientist that are pro-evolution in disagreement with one another over different theories within the theory of evolution.
If you think a transsexual (boy become girl) is a female (beyond gender) then this evidences you've never taken a single biology course. If I responded on a biology exam as to what constitutes female or male human with the answer, "It depends on her 'soul'" I would get that checked wrong.
The term "transsexual" is suggestive of the points I made about biological sex and gender not being the same thing.
Would you care to tell me what a "female" is in thought and behavior?
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LaCosa
My major is biology - not anthropology.
I've also had to read - in a philosophy of biology course (that would be philosophy not science proper) - different scientifically published papers on the issue of the biological or genetic heritability of homosexuality. Most the papers were defending the the position it is genetically inherited. Only one did not, although one of our required books touched on the issue and pointed out the fallacies in some of the oft stated things in its defense.
From experience online, I've come to find that it is those not formally educated in the sciences that generally respond with personal attacks and suggestions someone is stupid when they contradict a position they have on human sexuality. Often these are the same people quick to claim to be "moved" by science.
Writing in science is a different stylized genre than say philosophy or fiction. It's usually very dry (but then so is philosophical writing) writing and contrary to what the average person might think, it's utterly devoid of emotion. Although, I have to take that back and say that is not always the case, some of the most hostile debates over the theory of evolution for example, have come between scientist that are pro-evolution in disagreement with one another over different theories within the theory of evolution.
If you think a transsexual (boy become girl) is a female (beyond gender) then this evidences you've never taken a single biology course. If I responded on a biology exam as to what constitutes female or male human with the answer, "It depends on her 'soul'" I would get that checked wrong.
The term "transsexual" is suggestive of the points I made about biological sex and gender not being the same thing.
Would you care to tell me what a "female" is in thought and behavior?
I'm certain you have a perfectly lucid and 'scientific' explanation for everything devoid of emotional context whatsoever. Rather than get into the scientific explanation of a woman versus a man I'd like to leave you with this: when your woman or man touches you and you whisper words in their ear and make love to them what runs through your mind? Your spermatozoa count or do you actually feel something that you cannot express?
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What the hell are some of you guys doing here?
Why are there advertisements for transsexual porn to the left of my screen if this site is geared towards T-girls that adamantly reject being sexually objectified for fetishes of men?
I'm on this site in part because I accept human diversity and people that are different from me.
Put it this way... I don't agree with Muslim polygyny but that does not stop me from socializing, befriending, or conversing with Muslim men if they have several wives. The same is true for me for those that believe the Federal Reserve is a great conspiracy or have more right wing or left wing political views than myself. Though I find it interesting the increasing intolerance from the political left towards those that disagree with them. This should not surprise me though given the history of the Nazi party and communists. The former militant champions of political leftist influenced science called eugenics.
The only man that ever walked this earth without sin I heard of was Jesus (the woman, his mother as well). So, who am I to shun transsexuals or even convicts in prison for forcible rape of women or even child molestation? I'm no angel myself.
I know for a fact some white men have sexual fetishes for brown skin mulatto males like myself. And? Should I get irate? I know for damned sure I would not get irate if I was posting on a gay, male, mulatto website marketed towards white men that want to pound me in my ass.
It's not me the one deluding myself. Humans are not asexual reproducing plants. We are sexually reproducing animals. Go ask any biologist and he or she will tell you a male has XY chromosomes. Period. The male and female that reproduce the most offspring are defined (in evolutionary theory) as the "fittest." In other words biologist gauge organism "fitness" by how many offspring they have.
I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all or give a biology lesson. Really, I'm not. But the theory of evolution - which underpins the whole of the biological sciences - is not a kind, soft, cuddly thing that merely recites the poems and songs liberals or members of the Democratic Party love to hear.
And if I'm to - encourage to - abandon vague mystical religiosity like notions of the "soul" for pure, hard, science and let that inform how I view the world, then I can not simply go against what I'm truly led to believe, per what limited things I know from the sciences, just to appease the religiously bent or those hell bent on a socio-political agenda.
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I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all or give a biology lesson. Really, I'm not.
Too late.....you already do.
You are remarkable though for your ability to connect seemingly disparate things under what you must think is a cohesive theory.
You even paid some kind of homage to Jesus while previously decrying anything but 'facts' and 'science'. I wonder how you marry science with ecstatic religion since one requires no facts and the other requires all facts?
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runningdownthatdream
I'm certain you have a perfectly lucid and 'scientific' explanation for everything devoid of emotional context whatsoever. Rather than get into the scientific explanation of a woman versus a man I'd like to leave you with this: when your woman or man touches you and you whisper words in their ear and make love to them what runs through your mind? Your spermatozoa count or do you actually feel something that you cannot express?
Love is a different issue altogether. I've never suggested two homosexual males or two lesbian women couldn't be in love with one another. I've never suggested a heterosexual man and T-girl could not be madly in love with one another. Quite the opposite. Likewise, not all heterosexual male and female couples are in love with each other when they marry or remain in love if they ever were.
In fact I think it very possible for me to fall in love with an attractive transsexual. I don't suspect this will happen as I would like to produce children one day.
But arousal is not love. I've jerked off to more porn than I can count. I've been aroused in strip clubs from pole and lap dances and new little to nothing about the woman dancer and certainly was not aroused because I was in love with her.
And as I've stated... I'm sympathetic to the "soul" just as I am to music I think sounds good or visual art I like. Science has its limitations and can't really tell us why the world is so "beautiful." I'm sure scientist will one day arrive at a dry answer for this but I suspect I'll question it. And it might be kept in mind that it is the great religions of the world that are the grand guardians of beautiful art and infusing it into their buildings and institutions. Not science. Gothic architecture and Gothic music or Gregorian chant or Islamic geometric art aren't something one finds in university physics, chemistry, and biology classrooms. You find that in institutional religion - Mayan America to Buddhist Thailand. But in an age that falls to the knees and "worships" science and scientists, cling to their every word like sacred manna, science then becomes a language of power like Latin once was or English today largely remains. One is not stupid to learn that language of power then.
I also believe in the theory of evolution. So, I'm naturally going to view many aspects of the world through the lens of that theory as best I can.
But politics and political interest groups shape our thoughts and opinions today more than science proper. University science departments often complain the media (politically influenced) often misrepresents scientific views.
I'll tell you... it often irks me when I listen to feminist in one breath champion the theory of evolution as the only lens to view the world through, under one breath, and then under another breath, claim it is immoral for society to allow girls to feel they need to compete for male attention among other girls, through their charms and looks. Competition within a species is accepted as fact (not just altruism - which is more controversial) within the theory of evolution.
Feminists have also duped people in the U.S. into believing it is wrong and criminal (in many states criminal) for an 18 year old male to have sex with a 17 year old female. Ridiculous. Nothing in biology even hints as this asinine proposition. Biology is fine with 30 year old screwing a 14 year old.
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runningdownthatdream
Too late.....you already do.
I was articulating my position and giving some explanation. I've learned from experience when dealing online with politically left people, that are uneducated in the science, but themselves non-religious and are what is oft termed adherents of "scientism," that you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. The only thing I've discovered they are willing to tolerate is recitation of doctrines of their own beliefs.
If I simply stated I believe in X because of what limited things I know from the theory of evolution and biology you would reply I know nothing of either. If I explain some principles in the theory of evolution you'll claim I'm trying to be a know-it-all.
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You are remarkable though for your ability to connect seemingly disparate things under what you must think is a cohesive theory.
It is a sign of intelligence to be able to connect things.
What I see happening now with you is you utterly misunderstood me and the intentions of my previous posts and are hell bent on attacking me personally to defend your unscientific proposition of a person's sex resulting from their "soul," that along with your inability (evidence by your avoidance from answering my inquiry as to what is female thought and behavior [absent of female gender]) to state what a female is.
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You even paid some kind of homage to Jesus while previously decrying anything but 'facts' and 'science'. I wonder how you marry science with ecstatic religion since one requires no facts and the other requires all facts?
You lack reading comprehension.
Number one, I already stated I was sympathetic to appeals to the "soul" as I use religion myself to understand life and not just science.
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You can appeal to the soul - which I'm sympathetic to because I use religion and or metaphysics to understand and relate to life myself - but understand that puts you in a logical catch 22 if you are one of these adherents of Darwinian evolution that rejects a distinct human soul that survives human death. In the science of biology everything must make sense in light of evolution, or better stated all theories must find a logical coherence with theory of evolution and be explainable in terms of evolution (e.g., natural selection).
Number two, as I see it, whether transexualism is morally right or immoral is neither here nor there in light of the Christian concept of original sin and the redemptive sacrifice of Jesus (I was reared Catholic not Muslim etc.), as it pertain "who I can or can't speak with or befriend."
Number three, many things "marry" the natural or "hard sciences," such as sociology and anthropology. Sociology for example draws upon the science of biology when it differentiates between a persons sex and gender.
Number four, you are evidencing your lack of formal education in the sciences. The media portrays religion as at odds with science. There is not a biology course you can take that does not teach about the "Father of Genetics" Gregor Mendel, who was a Catholic Priest and monk. The Big Bang also was a theory created by a Catholic Priest that was a professor at MIT (one of the most prestigious universities in the world). The Catholic Church, under the Jesuits, operates two observatories, one in Rome and one in Arizona. The one in Rome is led by a Jesuit formerly employed by NASA. Both observatories engage in more theoretical cosmological work than observatories run by NASA. Jews, Muslims, and Christians have always been engaged in science.
You have some religious people that have Ph.D.'s in theology and a Ph.D. in a science. They are rare though. But people with one Ph.D. are rare in the world for that matter. LOL.
Number five, most importantly, why not just cede you misunderstood the intent of my previous posts and leave it at that? Otherwise, if you are hell bent on making me out to be some evil monster let us focus in on the question of what makes a female - in terms of how she thinks and behaves? If you are a feminist (whether male or female) you should not have a great difficulty in answering that if you think its easy to peg how a boy should properly know he's really a she.
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La cosa, i would try to discuss this with you but since im writing from a mobile phone its way too complicated but in short:
You should not treat science as a religion, there is a lot science does not know, especially about ts woman. i believe my brain was hormonally wired female in the womb, i have two loving parents that treated me as a boy from the moment i was born, they did not abuse me in any way,nor did anyone else...at such a young age i was not aware my genitals defined me, when i went to school i noticed that boys and girls were treated differently and that i did not fit in, i did not understand why my parents send me to school wearing boy clothes and with short hair, i felt like a joke ande very insecure, i remember this well, it was pretty traumatic...
What i call soul might as well be a state of consciousness causes by the biological chemistry of my brain, but i know from experience that envirement does not play a big role in defining or creating gender, otherwise i would have been a boy now, since i was raised as one! Thats also the reason why a lot of woman still spend a lot of time on their looks, not because they have to, but because they want to, despite the feminism that was supposed to set them free
I dont think its scientifically proven that gay lesbian and transgendered people arent natural, we excist because of nature not because of sociaty.
Its true that some gay men become ts coz their country\envirement is homophobic, but thats a different story
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and im a christian btw, im a believer and love Jezus !
:)
Maybe lol, i belong in a mental,hospital for that,
But not for being a ts loool
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Birgitta
La cosa, i would try to discuss this with you but since im writing from a mobile phone its way too complicated but in short:
You should not treat science as a religion...
I agree. And I was not nor am I treating science like a religion. To believe in God or to believe Jesus had two natures, one human and one divine, requires faith. Mind you faith stems from personal experience as well.
People that simply use faith to believe in propositions made by scientists are sometimes referred to as adherents of "scientism." I try not to be one of those, that's why I try (emphasize "try") to understand particular principles or points within a given science so I can agree or disagree with it intellectually, as best I can understand, rather than just have "faith" in it. Admittedly, some things in science requires faith. I've never seen an electron or atom but I have to some faith they exist - if for no other reason than to pass through the undergraduate courses. LOL. :lol:
I'll give you an example of me questioning and trying to understand something I don't but that science says happens. According to physics when you walk your legs and feet really aren't propelling you off the ground at each step, it's the earth moving away from your feet. I'm not saying that's false. But I'm close to mentally retarded when it comes to physics and I just don't understand how the earth moves away from a person's foot. If I could understand it - really comprehend it in my mind - then I could have more confidence in agreeing or disagreeing with it.
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there is a lot science does not know, especially about ts woman.
Eh... your first part is very true. I suppose even the latter carries truth. Certainly there is a lot about humans let alone all life on earth or the universe at large that science still does not know a whole lot about.
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i believe my brain was hormonally wired female in the womb, i have two loving parents that treated me as a boy from the moment i was born, they did not abuse me in any way,nor did anyone else...at such a young age i was not aware my genitals defined me, when i went to school i noticed that boys and girls were treated differently and that i did not fit in, i did not understand why my parents send me to school wearing boy clothes and with short hair, i felt like a joke ande very insecure, i remember this well, it was pretty traumatic...
What i call soul might as well be a state of consciousness causes by the biological chemistry of my brain, but i know from experience that envirement does not play a big role in defining or creating gender, otherwise i would have been a boy now, since i was raised as one! Thats also the reason why a lot of woman still spend a lot of time on their looks, not because they have to, but because they want to, despite the feminism that was supposed to set them free
I dont think its scientifically proven that gay lesbian and transgendered people arent natural, we excist because of nature not because of sociaty.
Its true that some gay men become ts coz their country\envirement is homophobic, but thats a different story
I don't think you're stupid. But I think we are talking about this from two very different points. Because of that I think misunderstanding in any further conversation of the subject is inevitable. So, I think I'll just humbly bow out the topic.
But before I do let me just say that I would not be so quick to throw all my eggs in one basket believing that finding a genetic cause will result in salvific social and scientific protection for either transsexuals or homosexuals and lesbians (or bisexuals for that matter). I'll cede in the political climate of the West today finding a genetic cause would greatly socially and politically help gays, lesbians, and transsexuals.
But the scientific community has a strong atheist presence. Some of them have no agenda at all but there are some with clear socio-political agendas. Some are humanist but some are not. As one geneticist pointed out in a published article I read... it could come a day when we seek a genetic prejudice against homosexuals (or others we consider genetically undesirable - recall what "fitness" means in evolutionary theory, and that if you are homosexual or transsexual you certainly carry genes for that trait, and to cull that trait out people with those genes must be isolate and or die off).
During the 30's - or was it the 40's - the world was brought to a second great war. This time much over eugenics. While Europe and the United States were champions of eugenics it was Germany (the socialists = Nazis) that was their greatest champion. No nation on earth stood as educated as the Germans at that time either. But they were determined to build a strong master race - to purify the gene pool if you will. Abortion is one of the hold overs we've kept from the eugenics movement - ironically we outlawed forced sterilization (the U.S. alone under liberal politicians forcibly sterilized over 100,000 U.S. women during the early 20th century) to only legalize abortion later with the Roe vs. Wade decisions. I'm saying all that to say that history suggests it's very possible that a society can one day allow others to get rid of the unwanted.
As an example, it's happening today in India. Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_india_abortions_girls
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HONG KONG (Reuters) – Up to 12 million girls were aborted over the last three decades in India by parents that tended to be richer and more educated, a large study in India found, and researchers warned that the figure could rise with falling fertility rates.
The missing daughters occurred mostly in families which already had a first born daughter. Although the preference for boys runs across Indian society, the abortions were more likely to be carried out by educated parents who were aware of ultrasound technology and who could afford abortions.
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Form this disagreement I've read a lot of nonsense. In a woman born transgender, because so we are, women born in another gender body, the woman component is not a thing of faith, but of neurology, and then science ( Henry Benjamin ).
Someone here uses the word science without even knowing what is the definition. Science is a method that consists in the possibility to reproduce the experiment proving a theory. Therefore the fact you nevr saw atoms doesn't mean they are an act of faith, and so also for transexual women, the fact you never investigated their brain doesn't mean they are not women.
In concolusion i think that we all are mental cases, male, women, just being transgender is a very tough condition, till you are not just a woman with needed operation, therefore we are more frail, maybe more honest, sometimes sweeter for all difficoulties we passed.
I hope that noone here believes that transsexualism is just a fetish here, because it's just a passion, fetish sounds like a perversion, well a stable person should not see the love of a woman as a perversion.
I have the passion for transsexualism, seeing someone more beautiful than me cheers me up, make me feel alive during transition, in the very early stages, it has very little to do with sex but much with gender. I don't think it's healthy to call it a fetish.
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I don't think you can go off a message board of how someone is doll :)
You should go off in person.
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married: happily to a beautiful woman
liars: I am a fantastic liar. I can lie my way out of anything. I can make you believe anything. We all lie. But, as a rule, I years ago realized the truth is easier.
crossdresser: no
odd fetishes: trannies count?
ashamed: openly dated a transexual woman in my 20s, introduced her to my friends and family and we told them her T. I generally do not give a fuck what anybody thinks.
self-hatred: jesus no, I fucking love myself, I'm so awesome.
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I was articulating my position and giving some explanation.
I started reading your post and fell asleep. Sorry no insult intended but you are all over the place - I get the impression that you'll pull any rabbit out of any hat to affirm your position. And yes it requires intelligence to connect seemingly disparate ideas but idiot savants can do that to and they're well.....idiot savants.
Don't have a problem with your validation process but I don't have the patience for minutiae. My original intent was to convey to you that we can't simply use science to confirm, affirm or refute every thing. Some things are unexplainable and wonderfully so - I believe we need some mystery. I don't know why people are born transgendered and frankly I don't care. Why is it necessary for you - presumably a non-transgender person - to find some rational and scientific explanation? Why can;t we just accept people for who they are as long as they aren't harming anyone?
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runningdownthatdream
I started reading your post and fell asleep. Sorry no insult intended but you are all over the place - I get the impression that you'll pull any rabbit out of any hat to affirm your position. And yes it requires intelligence to connect seemingly disparate ideas but idiot savants can do that to and they're well.....idiot savants.
Don't have a problem with your validation process but I don't have the patience for minutiae. My original intent was to convey to you that we can't simply use science to confirm, affirm or refute every thing. Some things are unexplainable and wonderfully so - I believe we need some mystery. I don't know why people are born transgendered and frankly I don't care. Why is it necessary for you - presumably a non-transgender person - to find some rational and scientific explanation? Why can;t we just accept people for who they are as long as they aren't harming anyone?
Well because there are a lot of people out there that want to prove us wrong because they cant understand, and very often because they dont want to understand,most people rather lie to themselves or others to escape facing the truth. Especially tgirls and their lovers are often extremely good at this.
And why would anyone want to understand, why would you want to understand what its like to have a chronic disease or terminally ill, unless you really cared for that person.
Thats also why i think most tlovers dont really care for us, they care for their own thoughts about us...and la cosa cant decide...should i love them or not?
He then starts talking about some really weird experiences in his youth about that he at one point thought he was a girl, which yet again proves that a lot of men and woman inti transgendered people have some sorth gender issue themselves...
La cosa reminds me of a muslim boy i once met, he wanted to fuck me real bad, but at the same time he told me he was sinning because of wanting me, but that we are all sinners, and that it can be forgiven, like i can be forgiven for making him want me in the first place because i excist...it demonstrates how fucked up and egocentric sime folks are..
Lacosa then starts talking about science, and how in the future, us transsexuals, the unwanted will be prevented of being born...
So whats its gonna be lacosa, do you love us or not? Or do you love yourself even perhaps start there..
Do you love us sooo much that you want to prevent further scientific proof to be found so that in the future we will no longer be there...for evolution purposes, tgirls should be born btw as well as gay people coz your "natural" darwin laws are destroying our dear planet by over population, a planet thats still a unique place in the universe
To me it all sounds pretty sick, especially for someone that thinks we are mentally disturbed for changing our bodies to match our true self
