It's actually quite amusing that he's now stuck in this endless loop because he lacks the wit to change tack, but can't bear to lose face by backing off.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
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It's actually quite amusing that he's now stuck in this endless loop because he lacks the wit to change tack, but can't bear to lose face by backing off.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
It's obvious, that this thread should actually be titled: "Happiness, is a full bottle".....
If you to start preaching about the evils of drinking there is already a thread for that. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...-is-a-Warm-Gun
Are you a teetotaller, by the way?
Ban alcohol with the same ferociousness that folks want to ban guns with....Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
More happiness is a full bottle.....
http://www.fox4news.com/news/ex-fire...at-killed-babyQuote:
Ex-firefighter accused of drunk driving crash that killed baby
There's an interesting puzzle. How does one ban with ferociousness? Who here is saying they want to ban guns? Who wants to ban them ferociously?
Most the posts I've seen suggest more extensive regulation. Something equal to the way we regulate cars and alcohol.
This just in, "Todder Shoots Mom, Both Completely Sober."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/us/to...rnd/index.html
Look and listen to the ones screaming to ban guns and you'll have your answer :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Well done on really digging up that one! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Want me to respond with about 100 deaths due to drunk driving? I can if you'd like....
Anywho...I'm about finished here...
Next time you watch your local news pay attention to gun deaths and alcohol related deaths.....rather than just the former....
Who in this thread? Specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
I passed through a southern state years ago, maybe things have changed? I think it was Arkansas.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Anyway, because the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (now the ATF & E a division of Homeland Security) regulated all 3 of those substances, they had these State run stores where you would buy your Alcohol, your Tobacco, and your Guns and Ammunition.
I remember thinking at the time it was probably not a great idea to sell someone a couple bottles of Jack and a case of Ammo, but there you had it, one stop shopping, booze, smokes and bullets.
Maybe it's changed, idk.
You threaten to move on now that you've proven your point, which apparently is not that you can't read or understand what other people write.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
You degrade the conversation by ignoring what other people say and feebly repeating the same tired strawman argument. Why don't you answer Trish's question and point out where people have been screaming for a ban of guns? If you're not responding to what anyone is actually saying, then what is it you think you are doing?
Mr. Fanti, if you can't answer this question you're simply arguing with yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
George Carlin made a joke about this a few years back...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by KelliBlueEyes
Actually,Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I got tired of debating hypocritical folks.....
Lol, you never debated with anyone, as this thread makes clear. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...=vegas+friends You simply switched from repeating one inane line - crazy people kill, not guns - to this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Ironically, the same person you refused to debate in that thread now thumbs down my posts in this thread. Strange. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I guess.
You obviously missed the multiple times where I stated that if you think guns should be banned and not alcohol, then you are hypocrite as alcohol related deaths outnumber gun deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Good try though!
And you have yet to reply to a point I made some time ago that as so many Americas are killed in road accidents it may be time to ban cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
The time is coming when, for example, there will be no cars in Manhattan, but electronic pods will run on tracks up and down the Avenues, free at the time of use.
...and another school shooting, this time in Texas. Oh the irony.
March for Our Lives, a massive demonstration for gun control created by the survivors of the Parkland, Florida shooting in Florida have shared their support on Twitter for the victims of today's shooting at Santa Fe High School.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben in LA
“Santa Fe, we are with you, and we will do whatever we can to support you as the days go on,” the group tweeted.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8358131.html
What will the President and Congress do?
Nothing.
Wrong. They'll make an empty speech and offer "thoughts and prayers".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Texas’s lieutenant governor reacted to a deadly school shooting by suggesting schools have too many doors.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8358691.html
At last, progress.
So rather than having to shoot everyone, the gunman just sets fire to the school and they die because they can't get out? We all know the real problem - schools have too many students waiting to be shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...ticle-1.773531Quote:
Princess Diana's driver was drunk when she died in 1997
How many mass murderers in the gun crimes of Las Vegas, Parkland and Santa Fe were drunk when they pulled the trigger? Would they have been able to kill so many people in the space of minutes had they been armed with a bow and arrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Violent video games and films, abortion and divorce are behind the US school shooting epidemic - but not guns, according to the Lieutenant Governor of Texas, where 10 people were shot dead on Friday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8361006.html
More insights into America from the Lt-Governor. Anything, anything but the gun.
Check your numbers against how many women and children have been killed by drunk drivers. They would still be alive today if the driver were drinking club soda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
The reality to you will be shocking.
But folks need their alcohol...that I do understand.
Individual responsibility with alcohol and guns? Yep I'll agree with you!
So ban cars, or post your shit in another thread.
Number of alcohol impaired crash fatalities in 2016- 10,497 28% of all crash deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Number of gun deaths in 2015 - 14,925. Number of people injured- 26,819.
Since you want to play the "Think of the children" game:
2016- Teens and Children killed with guns- 1,876
Children killed in drunk driving accidents- A total of 1,233 children 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle
traffic crashes in 2016. Of these 1,233 fatalities, 214 children (17%)
died in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes. Of these 214 child deaths:
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115 (54%) were occupants of vehicles with drivers who had BACs
of .08 g/dL or higher;
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61 (29%) were occupants of other vehicles;
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36 (17%) were nonoccupants (pedestrians, pedalcyclists, or other
nonoccupants); and
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2 (<1%) were drivers
I'm a person who happens to think if there is a hell, there is a special place in it for drunk drivers. But when a person drives drunk they don't intend to kill a person. When a person wants to intimidate, rob, or murder, the use of a firearm makes it easier for them to achieve anyone of those intentions.
I want to make it clear that, I DON'T WANT TO BAN GUNS. So I'm not being a hypocrite when I'm saying that there is a huge difference between violent gun deaths and drunk driving deaths.
Speaking of which, I think the argument you're making is straw man 101. The bumping the thread every time you come across a story about someone dying in a drunk driving accident is classic trolling and a bit morbid if you ask me.
Outstanding....And I'll meet more on my territory than the alcohol territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
And there have been accidental gun deaths by moron owners too.....without the intent to kill.
I'm okay with a ban on assault weapons but not a complete gun ban. Which still leaves the door wide open on alcohol unless you want to include absinthe and moonshine in.
Good on you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
I'll give you cosmos. I'm for banning cosmos but not a complete ban on alcohol. They're an abuse of good vodka. Btw, I'm being as serious as you are.
I asked two simple questions about gun crime and you change the subject by talking about car accidents. Let me drop one and rephrase the other:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
How many people would the mass murderers in the gun crimes of Las Vegas, Parkland and Santa Fe have been able to kill in the space of minutes had they been armed with a bow and arrow?
Who knew, all he had to do was take the same position as everyone else but use capital letters. The debate is less worthwhile because you've managed to avoid having any critical thinking skills or an ounce of honesty. I'm sorry, I mean "YOU LACK CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND HONESTY."Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
There's probably not a single person here who doesn't agree with that sentiment. What they don't agree with is your clumsy and pathetic attempt to change the subject and pretend there's some hypocrisy in people's views only by misrepresenting those views.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Over and over again people have said they don't think either guns or alcohol should be banned. Over and over again you have pretended they think guns should be so that you can distract from children being shot by gunmen using assault rifles. You could have discussed drunk driving or alcohol in its own right but you decided to use it to dilute another serious subject.
happiness is a warm gun ... and what is "warm" refer to in this motion of sentence
So what was the point of your last 150 posts on this subject? You just wanted somebody to say "Yes Mr Fanti, you've made a very relevant point on the linkage between alcohol and gun deaths"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Keeping guns on the front burner is a chore.
I was looking for clips from the new movie, where Dick Cheney autographs a waterboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
Sacha Baron Cohen's comedy is not for everyone and I can understand why. It often isn't clear who is the butt of the joke, he takes the liberty of dressing up as people from other backgrounds which is something people are rightly suspicious of, and his targets are sometimes just well-meaning eccentrics who are made to seem stupid just by accommodating his characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
In this case though, I appreciate the skits because they expose outrageous behavior by politicians that he encouraged but did not coerce. The characters were almost surgically designed to elicit these responses. Take for instance the Israeli mercenary character he created. He is no more saying that all Israelis are like this character than he was saying Kazakhstanis are like Borat. However one take-away is clearly that Republicans who consider themselves pro-Israel view Israelis this way and encourage militarism in their Israeli allies. It ended up being a very effective way to get people to open up. In the end, the Israeli allows them to express their desire to arm children, to yell racial slurs, and in the latest episode to run naked ass first at a target yelling USA.
The character he plays in the Kingman Arizona scene is supposed to be an out of touch white hippie. I think he played the part perfectly because he just came across as a decent person trying to reason with a room full of haters. He didn't overdo it by suggesting anything radical at all and presented the room with a proposal for a mosque that would both enrich their local economy and broaden their cultural horizons. You can probably guess what kind of reception he got.
I think the show is worth taking a look at even for people who are not fans of his. It shows some things we were aware existed but it is still shocking to see this kind of open bigotry from politicians and others.
Edit: yeah I guess I forgot this was a gun thread. The first episode is the one where he entices nra supporting Republicans to agree to arm 3 year old children.