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Originally Posted by
loveboof
Ah mate, just shut the fuck up... What have I even said about Evon out of my last 5 or 6 posts in this thread?
That she's 'a bit of a dick'? How about you throw out some quotations for once rather than simply making assumptions about what I'm saying.
In what way am I jealous? Some of you guys need to learn a few new phrases - you could potentially argue resentful, or suggest I'm just a twat...
Both are true to some degree, but if you really joined this month you do not know enough about me or my history with Evon to make any kind of relevant judgement about us. What is much more likely is that you're an alias - but then why can't you talk to me in your usual persona? So again, just shut the fuck up...
Notice how I reacted to Nicole; she has earned the right to tell me I'm out of line. Similarly there are a few other people here who could tell me to shut up, and I probably would. You are not one of them.
Do you really think I just joined this month? I have been here since 2008. Another name yes, but regardless. It's crazy for people to attack people on alias's, because no one even knows you to some degree, your also an alias. I don't think you would even say half the things on here if everyone knew your identity, so get of the high horse. like what Giovanni said, you could be her stalker on an alias, your starting to sound like it.
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Originally Posted by
KellyShore
I didn't attack her person under a phony name...
I stated she was being delusional if she thinks the majority of transsexuals do not act how I stated..
I never said she/her/you do this or this is how she acts.
that's attacking her...
then I pointed out the fact she contradicted herself...
I never took jabs at her..
She took jabs at me, my relationship, my husband, my age, my "new face", and more..
I kept it on topic and didn't make it personal.
She is the one that made it personal..
So again it's hypocritical on your part...
She can dish it, but she can't take it?
Again not talking about Ignatius..
I'm just saying don't put her up on a cross...
If you give negativity - you get negativity..
Exactly!
So I'll say it again...Cause and effect.
People can reach for as many brownie points they wish. But the fact is that it's her problem so let her deal with it.
And grandstanding on porn sites knowing you've got an asshole tracking your every post isn't a wise start so spear me the sympathy lectures.
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giovanni_hotel
This thread is over 1300 POSTS long!! Aren't you Evon's stalker who was talking about outing her to her family??
I give myself a mulligan cause I ain't searching through all these damn posts to get names right!!:salad
That is weak!
I don't care how many posts there are, if you're gonna chime in with an opinion the very least you can do is get your facts straight.
You really need to man up and apologise. You probably won't, but that's on you...
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Originally Posted by
bruceleefan
Do you really think I just joined this month? I have been here since 2008. Another name yes, but regardless. It's crazy for people to attack people on alias's, because no one even knows you to some degree, your also an alias. I don't think you would even say half the things on here if everyone knew your identity, so get of the high horse. like what Giovanni said, you could be her stalker on an alias, your starting to sound like it.
Jokes.
Talk to me through your main username, or shut the fuck up. I have nothing else to say to you as 'bruceleefan'...
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Originally Posted by
KittyPride
I can't deal with people pretending to be either women or transsexuals online. So ultimately, I can't deal with you, whether you like Nina Hagen, or whether you think I look great or not.
There's something you're hiding or lying about. You'll need to come clean if you want my respect. Talk's cheap.
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Originally Posted by
loveboof
That is weak!
I don't care how many posts there are, if you're gonna chime in with an opinion the very least you can do is get your facts straight.
You really need to man up and apologise. You probably won't, but that's on you...
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/image...EY-LOL-WUT.gif
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
I can't deal with people pretending to be either women or transsexuals online. So ultimately, I can't deal with you, whether you like Nina Hagen, or whether you think I look great or not.
There's something you're hiding or lying about. You'll need to come clean if you want my respect. Talk's cheap.
Well anyway if i were a man...i would be a very weird one...;)
No im 100% real ...whatever that means ...
So come clean about...?
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
Go away, loser! Leave me alone, bully! I wasn't talking to you, dick breath!
And yet AGAIN the usual bullshit... Do 4 out of 5 of your posts really have to have insults in them? Felt better after you wrote that?
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Teydyn
And yet AGAIN the usual bullshit... Do 4 out of 5 of your posts really have to have insults in them? Felt better after you wrote that?
I "feel" I'm being harassed by you. The real question how do you feel?
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Originally Posted by
KittyPride
Diamanda Galas was horrible. And do not try making nice to Nicole. She will drag you down the level she is at, which is below rat's shit.
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Originally Posted by
SammiValentine
haha dont worry about it hun, some peoples problem solving skills or hunger to learn and understand other people seems to be non existant ;) or they just want to get a response by trying to be a ....
I shrug at both. Back to the sun. :D
You turncoat. You won't be allowed back into Liddypool now... :hide-1:
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buckjohnson
Diamanda Galas was horrible. And do not try making nice to Nicole. She will drag you down the level she is at, which is below rat's shit.
I'm sure you know a thing or two about "shit". Alcoholics are known for waking up in their own feces and urine, with dried vomit in their mouths.
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
The real question how do you feel?
Fine. Thank you.
As do you i guess, after throwing some insults around...
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Originally Posted by
Teydyn
Fine. Thank you.
As do you i guess, after throwing some insults around...
I feel great, you miserable unloved faggot.
And don't bother thanking me for actually giving you the only 15 minutes of fame you'll ever have around here. It's just... about...
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
I'm sure you know a thing or two about "shit". Alcoholics are known for waking up in their own feces and urine, with dried vomit in their mouths.
That's no way to rtalk to a straight man who sucks dick because he is bored and wants ass.... hey did i ever tell you the joke about the self hating closet case?
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Originally Posted by
allurstouse
That's no way to rtalk to a straight man who sucks dick because he is bored and wants ass.... hey did i ever tell you the joke about the self hating closet case?
I hear that joke every other post I read on this forum. It has lots of variations.
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How did Diamanda Galas get dragged into this gunfight? In my view she is a starkly original and disconcerting performer - sometimes touched with genius.
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Originally Posted by
buckjohnson
Diamanda Galas was horrible. And do not try making nice to Nicole. She will drag you down the level she is at, which is below rat's shit.
Ive been below rats shit en beyond and found purity in my soul.
Some of us just are not able to transition like innocent virgins
when you feel seriously fucked up and lost for most of your life here...
But I have survived it and healed myself...still healing.. .to be able to be the girl I really am... I will no longer do anything that might compromise that...
I wanna be good to my girl... thats why I will not post my picture here... and its also why I wont date for money... even though I might really need it...and I dont mingle with guys who mistake me for something I'm not (The TSlovers/chasers).
These things will not give me the life I want for myself ...
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
I'm sure you know a thing or two about "shit". Alcoholics are known for waking up in their own feces and urine, with dried vomit in their mouths.
Hey...I am not an alcoholic. I am a "preferred professional drinker".
I was just warning Kitty that you are not the knd of person to make nice to...or take kindly to fake friendships and that your take no prisoner attitude and bravada is not for the weak or sensitive...which is why I love you, no matter how hateful you are toward me.
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Originally Posted by
allurstouse
That's no way to rtalk to a straight man who sucks dick because he is bored and wants ass.... hey did i ever tell you the joke about the self hating closet case?
This was a weird and stupid post. I never sucked dick before. But I do like ass...except another man's ass...and maybe Nicole's
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Originally Posted by
KittyPride
Ive been below rats shit en beyond and found purity in my soul.
Some of us just are not able to transition like innocent virgins
when you feel seriously fucked up and lost for most of your life here...
But I have survived it and healed myself...still healing.. .to be able to be the girl I really am... I will no longer do anything that might compromise that...
I wanna be good to my girl... thats why I will not post my picture here... and its also why I wont date for money... even though I might really need it...and I dont mingle with guys who mistake me for something I'm not (The TSlovers/chasers).
These things will not give me the life I want for myself ...
You seem wise and an survivor. Just have better musical tastes, ans stay away from Nicole and some of these British punters and females.
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buckjohnson
You seem wise and an survivor. Just have better musical tastes, ans stay away from Nicole and some of these British punters and females.
I got a better taste then that :D
I listen to johan sebastian bach now ! :D
All the time :D
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Bach is a gangster!!! He could compose and play his ass off.
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buckjohnson
She will drag you down the level she is at, which is below rat's shit.
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Originally Posted by
buckjohnson
I was just warning Kitty that you are not the kind of person to make nice to...or take kindly to fake friendships and that your take no prisoner attitude and bravada is not for the weak or sensitive...which is why I love you, no matter how hateful you are toward me.
Nicole is harmless. Well, Nicole is harmless if you happen to be a respectful, honest, and generally intelligent person. She might go a little overboard and call people out. The way she goes about it is a little unique; even presumptuous. I'll give you that, but the reason she does it is usually legitimate.
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Great thread Kelli! So far I have read through page 6, but I had to stop for sleep-time. I'm currently contemplating dating again. I used to go to the movies and dancing with one tg, even helped pay for furnishings for her new apartment. But she moved away unexpectedly. She was escorting while I tried to get to know her on a more than "sex" level, which did make it hard for me to call her more often. There were times we were together when sex did not come up. She still a cool girl because I got to know & feel a little of her real self, outside of the escort world. Her real focus was on caring and providing for her family, which I feel caused her to stay on the business side.
Again great thread. I can't wait to read more!
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Nicole Dupre
I think all the guys bitching and defending one another on this thread should just have sex with each other and leave all the TS providers alone. I wonder what Admiral, Buck Johnson and Teydyn look like in panties and lipstick. I hope they transition and show us. Then they can be girls, suck lots of cock, and teach us all about how we should think and feel about tranny chasers. I can't wait to see. :-)
Good point. For me to see things for your POV is a great point, as I would look horrible/silly in lipstick adn fishnets, cannot suck cock, and while men have tried to chat me up, have never been "chased"
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I don't get all this comparison. Maybe cos I'm only 20 odd and only slept with a few girls but to me a "TS" woman is a woman to me. I'll judge her the same as a woman. Nice figure, arse, a nice pair and looks..and of course a decent personality. Would treat her exactly like a woman, to me they're ladies with something extra. Would'nt care what my family said or if I'm out having a nice meal with her and someone said something, i'd tell em to fuck off.. I'd only have a relationship with a nice TS female anyway, same as a woman. So no one would'nt look twice..except her arse haha. Anyway all I am saying is I don't get that people would treat a TS woman different in a relationship cos shes a lady..
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Originally Posted by
KellyShore
Then you got the transsexuals who want this prince charming sort of man that has never been with a transsexual and would never ever want to be with another transsexual besides her or be attracted to another transsexual. It's like get a GRIP on reality...
That is my reality. Have patience and you will find that which you seek. In my case, I WASN'T seeking, and frankly, I think that might be the secret. Well, that and making sure you're rooted in the real world and realize that the 'tranny world' is just a show.
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Originally Posted by
KellyShore
Lastly, porn girls that get so up in arms over the term shemale and go after companies like say Steven's because he uses the terminology shemale...BUT SWEETHEART noone is forcing you to pose for that site..
This is obviously a dig at me, but yeah, you're totally right. Nobody's forcing us to need to survive. :rolleyes:
Furthermore, The word 'shemale' has shock value while other terms such as transsexual do not. The reason that I for one get upset is because not every girl wants or needs that extra level of exploitation and subjugation. I know I don't. But the more important issue is that one can't opt out. We should be able to market ourselves as we please. The problem isn't the word in question, but the lack of desire on the part of producers to allow individual models to use alternatives.
For instance, I don't market myself as 'TS Bella Bellucci.' I think it's as tacky as the word 'shemale.' I mean, it's not my name and it's not my identity. It's just a qualifier to me.
~BB~
PS: There seems to be a lot of the 'TS women are women to me' self-reinforcement going on here. It makes me cringe when I hear it. If a man or his TS partner requires this kind of costant verbal validation to have a relationship, then they are insecure about their sexuality or gender identity respectively and probably shouldn't be in a relationship at all. Just STOP it! :lol:
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Originally Posted by
Tomo_2012
I don't get all this comparison. Maybe cos I'm only 20 odd and only slept with a few girls but to me a "TS" woman is a woman to me. I'll judge her the same as a woman. Nice figure, arse, a nice pair and looks..and of course a decent personality. Would treat her exactly like a woman, to me they're ladies with something extra. Would'nt care what my family said or if I'm out having a nice meal with her and someone said something, i'd tell em to fuck off.. I'd only have a relationship with a nice TS female anyway, same as a woman. So no one would'nt look twice..except her arse haha. Anyway all I am saying is I don't get that people would treat a TS woman different in a relationship cos shes a lady..
Aw, you're exactly right. So many men don't understand that.
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Originally Posted by
KellyShore
Then you got the transsexuals who want this prince charming sort of man that has never been with a transsexual and would never ever want to be with another transsexual besides her or be attracted to another transsexual. It's like get a GRIP on reality...
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
That is my reality. Have patience and you will find that which you seek. In my case, I WASN'T seeking, and frankly, I think that might be the secret. Well, that and making sure you're rooted in the real world and realize that the 'tranny world' is just a show.
I'm one of those guys. I don't jump from relationship to relationship. I'm completely monogamous, and I'd much sooner try to repair a relationship then look elsewhere. I've never been with a transsexual, but I'm not seeking that out either. Even when I was single, I wasn't trying to call up escorts or meet up with chicks off of the net. I sound all defensive, but I'm not. I'm just trying to drive a point across. You may be talking about a different type of guy all together, but I'm pretty close, and if you can find pretty close around here, "prince charming" can't be that hard to find.
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Its just like anything else, somebody has fucked it up for you, so you have to deal with the fact that her guard will probably be up. It happens, at the end of the day the person you really are will show and she will see that ... hopefully lol.
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Wow. This is my first reading of this thread. Thank you Kelly for saying something that should have been said a long time ago. I am a man who dates both women and TS's. Shemale, Transwoman, TS ... there will always be someone who will be offended by any term. I try to avoid the terms altogether. The world of porn has to create a term or title that will entice the potential buyer. Many straight porn titles are derogatory too if one takes them that way. I think there is a sense of camp and humor in most porn titles.
And thank you (I almost said 'God bless you' but then I remembered that I am an atheist) for touching on the subject of the 'tranny chaser'. I shake my head everytime I see an ad from a TS who is looking for 'straight guys only'. It always sounds to me like a hot dog wanting to be eaten by vegans only. I have a gay male friend who insists he only sleeps with straight guys. Ok. By definition a straight guy only sleeps with women. There are also men such as myself who sleep with both women and TS's but are not attracted to men. I hesitate to call myself Bi but I don't get offended if people do. The ironly is that a TS would look down on me for wanting to be with her. What kind of denial and self loathing accompanies that?
Again, thank you for your clarity, courage and compassion.
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Originally Posted by
Lovecox
Wow. This is my first reading of this thread. Thank you Kelly for saying something that should have been said a long time ago. I am a man who dates both women and TS's. Shemale, Transwoman, TS ... there will always be someone who will be offended by any term. I try to avoid the terms altogether. The world of porn has to create a term or title that will entice the potential buyer. Many straight porn titles are derogatory too if one takes them that way. I think there is a sense of camp and humor in most porn titles.
And thank you (I almost said 'God bless you' but then I remembered that I am an atheist) for touching on the subject of the 'tranny chaser'. I shake my head everytime I see an ad from a TS who is looking for 'straight guys only'. It always sounds to me like a hot dog wanting to be eaten by vegans only. I have a gay male friend who insists he only sleeps with straight guys. Ok. By definition a straight guy only sleeps with women. There are also men such as myself who sleep with both women and TS's but are not attracted to men. I hesitate to call myself Bi but I don't get offended if people do. The ironly is that a TS would look down on me for wanting to be with her. What kind of denial and self loathing accompanies that?
Again, thank you for your clarity, courage and compassion.
Most of the transwomen that I have talk too, hate their penis and don't even like to look at it. Transwomen do not want a guy that is attracted to the part of their body that they despise and hate the most Most tgirls feel that guys who like their cock are closet homosexuals. I have been dating a preop transexual for four months never seen her cock. When we get intimate we kiss or she gives me oral sex. I have not had anal sex with her yet. She has not had sex in two years and that was with her ex-boyfriend of three years. She says that she will have protected anal sex with me but at the right moment. She plans on getting the SRS surgery within the next eighteeen months. She works for a major bank as a manager. I told her that I support her decision 100 percent. I perfer postop transwomen than preop.
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Originally Posted by
MHarrigan82
Most of the transwomen that I have talk too, hate their penis and don't even like to look at it. Transwomen do not want a guy that is attracted to the part of their body that they despise and hate the most Most tgirls feel that guys who like their cock are closet homosexuals. I have been dating a preop transexual for four months never seen her cock. When we get intimate we kiss or she gives me oral sex. I have not had anal sex with her yet. She has not had sex in two years and that was with her ex-boyfriend of three years. She says that she will have protected anal sex with me but at the right moment. She plans on getting the SRS surgery within the next eighteeen months. She works for a major bank as a manager. I told her that I support her decision 100 percent. I perfer postop transwomen than preop.
*cough*SUCKER!*cough*, *cough*.
It may sound petty, but sex and sexual compatibly are still integral parts of any mature adult relationship. I can respect that the two of you must have incredibly strong feelings for one-another if you've both agreed to abstain. You get my respect because I doubt many dudes would make that kind of a sacrifice. I wouldn't. It's admirable that you're respecting her space, but she should consider that perhaps she's not ready for a relationship. If she wants to wait until she can have sex as a woman, that's her business, but I don't understand why she'd want to drag dudes through long and sexless relationships for the sake of simple companionship. I guess it's none of my business so long as you're both chill with the arrangement. It just boggles my brain-matter a bit.
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I'd quite happily date marry etc a t girl, I've just not met one who doesn't just see me as a giant cash machine (well there was the one who was just more interested in a visa.) It would be nice to find one who isn't just driven by money, I want a partner not a full time whore.
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Originally Posted by
Tomo_2012
I don't get all this comparison. Maybe cos I'm only 20 odd and only slept with a few girls but to me a "TS" woman is a woman to me. I'll judge her the same as a woman. Nice figure, arse, a nice pair and looks..and of course a decent personality. Would treat her exactly like a woman, to me they're ladies with something extra. Would'nt care what my family said or if I'm out having a nice meal with her and someone said something, i'd tell em to fuck off.. I'd only have a relationship with a nice TS female anyway, same as a woman. So no one would'nt look twice..except her arse haha. Anyway all I am saying is I don't get that people would treat a TS woman different in a relationship cos shes a lady..
The thing is ts women are not like genetic women from a psychological point of view. They're not maternal in the way women are (i've never seen a ts gush over a baby the way women do) and very materialistic. Money is usually the icing on the cake for a genetic woman, they don't primarily go for guys for cash. How often do you see a fit young girl dating some 60 year old guy for his money? Not often, most girls just go for guys who are similar to themselves age, looks and status wise.
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Originally Posted by
MHarrigan82
Most of the transwomen that I have talk too, hate their penis and don't even like to look at it. Transwomen do not want a guy that is attracted to the part of their body that they despise and hate the most Most tgirls feel that guys who like their cock are closet homosexuals. I have been dating a preop transexual for four months never seen her cock. When we get intimate we kiss or she gives me oral sex. I have not had anal sex with her yet. She has not had sex in two years and that was with her ex-boyfriend of three years. She says that she will have protected anal sex with me but at the right moment. She plans on getting the SRS surgery within the next eighteeen months. She works for a major bank as a manager. I told her that I support her decision 100 percent. I perfer postop transwomen than preop.
Actually I find its about 50/50.
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archineer
The thing is ts women are not like genetic women from a psychological point of view. They're not maternal in the way women are (i've never seen a ts gush over a baby the way women do) and very materialistic. Money is usually the icing on the cake for a genetic woman, they don't primarily go for guys for cash. How often do you see a fit young girl dating some 60 year old guy for his money? Not often, most girls just go for guys who are similar to themselves age, looks and status wise.
really?? cause i know quite a few transwoman who are mothers.you might want to ask wendy summers or bella about their maternal behaviors before typing some ignorant sweeping generalization like this.
and what are you talking about? woman have been marrying for financial security for eons.what do you think arranged marriages were all about
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GrimFusion
*cough*SUCKER!*cough*, *cough*.
It may sound petty, but sex and sexual compatibly are still integral parts of any mature adult relationship. I can respect that the two of you must have incredibly strong feelings for one-another if you've both agreed to abstain. You get my respect because I doubt many dudes would make that kind of a sacrifice. I wouldn't. It's admirable that you're respecting her space, but she should consider that perhaps she's not ready for a relationship. If she wants to wait until she can have sex as a woman, that's her business, but I don't understand why she'd want to drag dudes through long and sexless relationships for the sake of simple companionship. I guess it's none of my business so long as you're both chill with the arrangement. It just boggles my brain-matter a bit.
simple answer because she like any other human being desires to be loved and cared for. if he's ok to wait for when she's comfortable for sexual expression than who cares.more men should be more empathetic and understanding when it comes to the sexual aspects of a relationship.sex is supposed to be enjoyable for both people.it shouldnt just be something we do to placate men.
plus who would want to have sex with someone knowing their not only enjoying it but could possibly be traumatic for them.
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amberskyi
simple answer because she like any other human being desires to be loved and cared for. if he's ok to wait for when she's comfortable for sexual expression than who cares.more men should be more empathetic and understanding when it comes to the sexual aspects of a relationship.sex is supposed to be enjoyable for both people.it shouldnt just be something we do to placate men.
plus who would want to have sex with someone knowing their not only enjoying it but could possibly be traumatic for them.
You've raised a few very valid points. Companionship can be important, it isn't any of my business and I don't care, really; there's a limit to empathy when even extremely respectful and and understanding men could simply say no and they have just as much right. Sex isn't intended to placate men and it is a mutual experience, but remove sex from the relationship entirely and he's left with blowjobs off of his girlfriend who's trying to placate him. Uh... yeah.
I certainly wouldn't want to force the issue of sex with a chick who was uncomfortable with it. I'd be more than willing to modify my sexual practices a little if I were emotionally attached, but if it meant a relationship without sex, I wouldn't stick around. Not because I demand sex in a relationship, but a relationship without sex just sounds weird, complicated, and frustrating. No more than dumb personal opinion, really. I understand where you're coming from though.