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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Originally Posted by hard4janira http://1.2.3.12/bmi/www.hungangels.c...s/viewpost.gifWith all due respect, there isn't one black person living in this country who has been enslaved. Nor thier parents, nor thier parents parents, nor thier parents, parents, parents. I'm not suggesting that black people have always had equal opportunity. They haven't, but they certianly haven't made the most of the opportunity that they DO HAVE. Black communities in America are a disaster area - this a fact that is not open to debate...
If you are not interested in history, it doesn't make sense for you to base an argument on something in history -slavery- which is a recorded fact. The argument that you do propose, is open to question because the majority of Black Americans are not in prison, have never been in prison, are unlikely to ever go to prison, and hold down regular jobs like (I assume) you do. For professional reasons I came across Donald Hopkins some years ago. I don't know if you know who he is, but anyway if you want to be proud of the achievements of Black Americans, African-Americans, descendants of slaves, immigrants, whatever you choose to call them -but all of them American Citizens, just like you, go here:
http://nas.nasonline.org/site/PageSe...name=AAHP_home
As for poverty, and why some people do better than others, even in America, that is outside the breadth of this thread -for the key point to me, is that nobody knows what sort of man Trayvon Martin would have become. He was denied the opportunity -and perhaps what is so shocking to someone in the UK who has never held a gun in his life, is that the 'Stand your ground' concept is part of Florida law. From the denial of a young man's opportunity to live and be something, to the right of another to kill him. If I was an American, I would be ashamed.
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
You don't have to adopt American citizenship to be ashamed. There are plenty of shameful things happening right under your nose.
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fastingforlife
You don't have to adopt American citizenship to be ashamed. There are plenty of shameful things happening right under your nose.
Sadly true, in the case of the UK.
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buds
I personally hate to see anyone jumped on by mulitple people. I am one who will jump in to help the underdog, and race makes no difference. That being said, any person with knowledge will know that the offenders, will be caught and prosecuted. But the issue I have, is that there are criminals of all races. Asians have gangs, which typically target the members of their own communities. But one major difference, in crime in differing racial communties is media exposure. I know more than one person with inside knowledge, that certain suburban ( typically White) communities, specifically try to keep crime and drug use within their communtities, out of the media. They understand that the image of their community being safe, helps to maintain their vitality. On the other hand Blacks within cities, who are caught as the result of criminal activity, are often 'paraded' on the news. This helps to perpetuate the cycle of fear. One effect of fear is that businesses refuse to offer services in inner city communtiy reducing the the amount of jobs available to youth in particular. Even before the major economic downturn, Black youth typically had unemployment rates in the 40% range.
As it has been stated in this thread, numerous time the issue in the Zimmerman case was always about justice. The case happens to higlight some of life's injustices. Tkae this as an example: When Martin's death was investigated right after the incident, the police did not, order Zimmerman to take a drug test. Yet here in Ohio, Republicans have proposed a law that would require anyone recieving public assistance to be drug tested. To be fair Zimmerman was tested as a result of his medical treatment. But I cant believe that you cannot see the irony in the comparison.
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TS CANDY NY
pay that Nut Case no mind, he knows that you are educated thats why he keeps fucking with you
Oh is that what it is? Ok thank you for the heads up, that person is messing with all of us then.
What that person don't understand and have the nerve to talk about African descent communities, WE DON'T HAVE COMMUNITIES no more. In a sweep of inner cities across America there was a change that happened and still going on, and I will only talk about Harlem.
The plan back in the late 80's into the 90's is a set up a system for the beginning of 2000, had Asians and Caucasians on tour buses touring around Harlem. We are thinking they are tourist from other countries when we saw the buses, hell no they lived already anywhere in the USA. They were shouting out properties for the near future to buy.
Now being Harlem was mostly African descent people once I found that out because I asked questions, I then said "HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE IN?" Simple, THEY KICKED OUT African Americans and relocate them. It's going on right now, there are so many Caucasians in Harlem now than ever before, it's starting to look like 42nd street. This happened because they organised to get us out and knowing that New York has the best transportation system in America, not the cleanest lol Caucasians don't have to spend money to for a car to go to work they could spend less to get on public transportation. I have pics of how Harlem use to look vs how it looks now!!!
Here's some of the ways they kicked us out.
Raise the rent so dam high that you couldn't afford it so you had to move, most of the migration is to the south Bronx where it's not even more over crowded and you think the Caucasians care? Hell no they ain't worried they walking around like they don't have a care in the world, AND THAT OTHER PERSON WONDERING WHY OUR PEOPLE ANGRY? This is not only happening in NYC either. Then that same person wants to talk about OUR COMMUNITIES, that person don't know our communities were destroyed twice, once when Martin L. King signed the civil rights document with Linden B. Johnson and when President Reagan came into office and the crack epidemic basically fucked us up!!!
There were some families on public assistance, the trick to send them to the Bronx or to get them the fuck outta there were to get cases against them and if you get a 2nd case against you about anything the case worker would move your ass out, this was the biggest scam going on in early 2000's. People didn't know what was going on, so the system set shit up behind our backs to migrate us out for the welfare of Caucasian, Asians and others buying properties prior right in our faces and we didn't know it, and this person wonders why we angry? There are loads of African descent people that want to work and go to work yet still get treated like shit in 2012.
See I can go into shit from credit card scam, to employment how it's all set up, because I didn't even want to say what I just said, because a lot of people wouldn't get this shit, and some will say this is some conspiracy bullshit, which is not, it's a fact, all they gotta do is go to Harlem and you will see what the hell I am talking about. Harlem is starting to look like Park avenue with the same dam prices of Park Avenue. They did a little dumb as quoted so they won't get sued where they have to have minimum living places where the rent is for low income housing.
So to answer that person's question with a couple of reasons why African descent people are angry is how we are being treated.
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We definitely knew what type of guy Zimmerman was HE WAS A PARANOID, PSYCHO MANIAC, DELUSIONAL, COP HERO WANNA BE, VIGILANTE asshole. Just looking at his past shows he wanted to be in law enforcement so bad he became psychotic about it. With people like this it always end up tragic, it will never end up good because they are maniacs !!!
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Profound words!!! For a person in 2012 to say that African descent people have never been enslaved in this country leads me to think 1. they must live on another continent, 2. dumb as a motha fucka, 3. in super duper denial, 4. crazy as all out hell.
It's a definite history that is recorded and I have a lot of that history. Yet when we talk about our holocaust we are told "AWWW DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT IT WAS SO LONG AGAIN FORGET ABOUT IT"... Fuck outta here when the so call Jews talk about their holocaust no one say shit, and we suppose to forgot about our ancestors that died on the middle passage and treated like animals and all types of crazy shit I don't wanna go into which still affect my people till this day, some won't understand it because you can't see how worn my shoes are unless you have walked in them.
No this case shouldn't be about racism, but the real fact it is. But I am more concerned about race, I am concerned about the dumb ass act Zimmerman made that lead to a young teen getting killed when this shit could of been avoided. What if that was my child or anyone else child? How come he only reported African descent people looking suspicious? Are African descent people the only ones that commit crimes? There's a lot of bullshit people are scared to dialogue about, not me because I know the real. But profound what you said.
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Stavros
If you are not interested in history, it doesn't make sense for you to base an argument on something in history -slavery- which is a recorded fact. The argument that you do propose, is open to question because the majority of Black Americans are not in prison, have never been in prison, are unlikely to ever go to prison, and hold down regular jobs like (I assume) you do. For professional reasons I came across Donald Hopkins some years ago. I don't know if you know who he is, but anyway if you want to be proudof the achievements of Black Americans, African-Americans, descendants of slaves, immigrants, whatever you choose to call them -but all of them
American Citizens, just like you, go here:
http://nas.nasonline.org/site/PageSe...name=AAHP_home
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jamesedwards
Did you even know the Constitution still allows slavery? THIS DAY IN 2012!!! Let me give you some knowledge, there is a physical slavery and a mental slavery, mental slavery is more dangerous than physical slavery and I will leave it at that.
I'm laughing. Out loud, in fact.
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jamesedwards
This absolutely makes no sense, if in one hand you say African descent people haven't had EQUAL OPPS then in the next hand you say they haven't made the most of OPPS, how in the world can you tell if there hasn't been equality? There's no logic to that at all!!
I say this because public education is free. Libraries are free (funded by taxpayers) and yet I do not see many black people taking advantage of the opportunities available to them. Many blacks do not value education. It is not a virtue passed down or enforced (partly because the family unit within many black families is non-existant). It's all about the street-cred.
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jamesedwards
I am from Harlem and I remember our communities had lots of African descent own stores, then I seen a change happen where we were losing our communities and businesses and immigrants started coming in.
Nothing wrong with immigrants - what are you trying to say? Why did blacks start losing thier communites and businesses? You didn't tie the two together although you implied there is some connection.
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jamesedwards
...So I wonder how many are really in there that didn't commit a crime hum?
Probably very few.
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jamesedwards
Yes there are African Americans killing one another, so are Chinese, Hispanics, Caucasians etc, there is good and bad in each nation. I acknowledge a problem alright and I know just who it is.
AND there are blacks preying on other races too like those two grad students who were murdered at USC (but that's OK, it's just 'gang violence') nothing 'racist' here right? Let's get back to busting Zimmermans balls....
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jamesedwards
Korean or Chinese food shops own businesses and don't hire not ONE African descent person from that community. From the five boroughs of NEW YORK I have never seen in 20 years one Chinese or Korean food shop hire my people. And no one says nothing, I notice it that's why I don't support it besides the nasty unhealthy food.
Asians cook and eat nasty, unhealthy food? JEEZ, Let's not get racist here... If you look hard enough you can find a lot of healhty things to eat on an Asian menu... IF YOU LOOK. Funny that you mention it, I dont think traditional 'black' food is very healthy. I mean for fuck sake is there anything you don't deep fry? Why is adult onset diabetes so prevelent among minorities? What do you really know about nasty, unhealthy food you just blamed on asians?
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jamesedwards
Lets say we boycott them so bad they move out, we get a store of our own, within 2 years the govt will hike the prices some how on that business it will be down before it even started. Then the next Chinese shop will pop up.
Yes, lets boycott immigrants. That's not fucking racist (rolling eyes)
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jamesedwards
Every time there is a cut where do they hit first? EDUCATION!!! It's a plan you fuck up education then you keep those who are poor, POOR !!! The education in this country is watered down and basically not really teaching my people who they really are but the Caucasian's history, I can go into how that destroys the mental but I am not. Another thing, education for my people is so crazy it's CRAZY!!! When the Govt seen that more African descent people were heading for college, what they do? RAISE THE PRICES!!! See you're not going in depth to what's going on, you don't see the real picture and who the dam puppet master is!!
Statistics have shown that spending more on education doesn't translate into results. America spends far more per capital on education that almost every other nation in the world yet ranks 23 (we used to be 1st 30 years ago). It's a myth that by just spending money kids will become more educated. I won't go down the path of all the things that are wrong with education but you make another silly comment by suggesting that teaching black youth white history is somehow crazy. If you don't want to learn it because you resent white people then fine - play your little games and study black history only for self-esteem. However, your knowlege of history in the long run will be piss-poor because you will have learned a fragment of information that is historically important.
One final comment... If OJ was acquited given the evidense stacked up against him, Zimmerman should not only walk - they should give him a 200 dollar Norstroms gift card for his troubles.
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[quote=jamesedwards;1144414]Profound words!!! For a person in 2012 to say that African descent people have never been enslaved in this country leads me to think [/qoute]
Nobody ever said that, so it shouldn't lead you do to anything.
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jamesedwards
Zimmerman made that lead to a young teen getting killed when this shit could of been avoided. What if that was my child or anyone else child? How come he only reported African descent people looking suspicious? Are African descent people the only ones that commit crimes? There's a lot of bullshit people are scared to dialogue about, not me because I know the real. But profound what you said.
Do you honestly have to ask that question? What planet do you live on? Blacks are profiled so much more than other races because they commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime given their % of the overall population...
Next....
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Stavros
If you are not interested in history, it doesn't make sense for you to base an argument on something in history -slavery- which is a recorded fact.
Ummm.... thanks for cluing me in on that. :confused:
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Stavros
The argument that you do propose, is open to question because the majority of Black Americans are not in prison, have never been in prison, are unlikely to ever go to prison, and hold down regular jobs like (I assume) you do. For professional reasons I came across Donald Hopkins some years ago. I don't know if you know who he is, but anyway if you want to be proud of the achievements of Black Americans, African-Americans, descendants of slaves, immigrants, whatever you choose to call them -but all of them American Citizens, just like you, go here:
Let's stick with American citizens. ALL American citizens share the same rights (and have the same responsibilities) regardless of race. I just wish some people would hold up their end of the bargain. And I don't need a link to tell me of the accomplishments of black people. There are many blacks who have over-achieved and made the most of thier opportunities (Thomas Sowell being one of my favorites).
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Stavros
As for poverty, and why some people do better than others, even in America, that is outside the breadth of this thread -for the key point to me, is that nobody knows what sort of man Trayvon Martin would have become.
He wasn't off to a good start. I'm not saying he deserved to die because of it (he didn't). But let's face the facts: He was heading down the wrong path.
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Stavros
He was denied the opportunity -and perhaps what is so shocking to someone in the UK who has never held a gun in his life, is that the 'Stand your ground' concept is part of Florida law. From the denial of a young man's opportunity to live and be something, to the right of another to kill him. If I was an American, I would be ashamed.
I feel ashamed for those two asian grad students at USC who were murdered in their car. I sure wish they had a gun with them and had an opportunity to defendt themselves. I don't think California has a stand your ground law but I sure wish those kids had a chance. I'm ashamed to be an American because of what happened to them.
And let's clear something else up. You say that 'most' black men aren't in prison as if that statment in and of itself is something to be proud of. That statement would still be true if the split was 51/49. Are sugggesting that we ignore the facts as long as the statistics weigh in favor of how you phrase things?
There are a great many people in the black community who have called what is happenning to the black male (in terms of incarceration) an 'epidemic'. Those are thier words, not mine. I used the word 'disaster area'. I could have used 'shit storm' as well. Blacks will admit this problem in thier own community but when somebody else tries to state the obvious they go into denial. They simpy can't accept hearing the truth from outside their own walls. That is a text book example of an inferiority complex if you ask me. They need to stop pretending like nobody else knows what the fuck is going on and set about fixing the problems instead.
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hard4janira
I'm laughing. Out loud, in fact.
You're laughing out loud because you don't know and have no answer for, I knew it!!!
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I say this because public education is free. Libraries are free (funded by taxpayers) and yet I do not see many black people taking advantage of the opportunities available to them. Many blacks do not value education. It is not a virtue passed down or enforced (partly because the family unit within many black families is non-existant). It's all about the street-cred.
Are you kidding me? There are plenty of African descent people using libraries. Again we are not BLACK PEOPLE!!! Get that through your thick skull!!!
You are pompous, you let a few African americans that are on the wrong path make you think MANY are on the wrong path and it's just the opposite!!! Who told you African descent people don't value education? The most ruthless gang banger values education and love!!! You have been watching way to many Yo MTV Cribs and BET shows talking about street cred!!! My word!!!!
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Nothing wrong with immigrants - what are you trying to say? Why did blacks start losing thier communites and businesses? You didn't tie the two together although you implied there is some connection.
Now I see why you think so poorly. Where in my debate did I say anything is wrong with immigrants? I stated they come here and get benefits faster than the honest African descent person that's been here for years can get. You asked me what am I trying to say? LOL :dead: What I have already said, in plain English you figure it out. I already told you why and when African descent people lost their communities, do you read? smh
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Probably very few.
Oh dam you say that so nonchalantly like it ain't no thang that there are innocent African descent people in jail.
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AND there are blacks preying on other races too like those two grad students who were murdered at USC (but that's OK, it's just 'gang violence') nothing 'racist' here right? Let's get back to busting Zimmermans balls....
That's not cool that they did that, and I hope they get caught and face the penalty. But for years African descent people been killing their own, old timers use to tell them "GO OUT AND TAKE FROM WHITEY STOP TAKING FROM YOUR OWN WHO HAVE NOTHING", so I guess it's coming home to roost just now. But is it right? Nope, I don't agree with it. But you didn't say nothing about these Police gangs that kill African descent people on the reg, and you won't say nothing. You could care less!!!
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Asians cook and eat nasty, unhealthy food? JEEZ, Let's not get racist here... If you look hard enough you can find a lot of healhty things to eat on an Asian menu... IF YOU LOOK. Funny that you mention it, I dont think traditional 'black' food is very healthy. I mean for fuck sake is there anything you don't deep fry? Why is adult onset diabetes so prevelent among minorities? What do you really know about nasty, unhealthy food you just blamed on asians?
LOL, :dead: Lets deal with this, you said LETS NOT GET RACIST, tell me what the original definition from the old dictionary of what racism is. As an African descent person I can never be racist, I can prejudge, and hate, but to be racist, do you even know what that really entails? So tell me what is racism.
Now for the FACT that I said those Chinese and Korean shops in the hood are nasty IT'S A FACT!!! Especially in the 5 boroughs I have been. I don't know how they do that shit in the Ukraine or wherever the hell you're from but the shops in New York are nasty and unhealthy!!! I'm not eating at those shops. Now, I can tell the difference from a Chinese cuisine shop down in lower Manhattan from one that's in the hood like Harlem or BK. Their shops are cleaner and their food is put together better than the ones in the hood, how do I know? EXPERIENCE!!! I stopped eating at those shops when I got conscious of what the hell is going on. What I present is fact if I didn't then it would be just pure rhetoric. The food is supper greasy, they use the same frying oil over and over, roaches and cats out in the open, and you're going to tell me that's ok? Hell outta here with that. Now if you read what the hell I said I said they cook for us one way and they eat another way, they don't even eat what they cook for us, they eat healthy, so what that tell you? Ask anyone who lives in NYC they know they don't eat the food they cook for us. You would think they would because they are serving the food but they don't, many times I have watched them eat, and I would clock when they would go to lunch and dinner come down and monitor what they eat and they don't eat that fried shit they serve to my people or Hispanic people.
Now I agree there, African descent people don't eat healthy, one because they lost site, two the nasty meats they sell on the market are filled with disease, and injected with female hormones and all types of variables. I don't eat red meat, I don't drink milk, I don't fuck with pig, I deal with veggie food, organic foods, lots of fruits and vegetables, fish, and kosher chicken. I dare not touch that chicken in supermarkets. See I have so much fucking knowledge on shit, if I was to write what I knew, HA would fucking shut down!!!
Now let me take your ass on a history hike because you need one. In Africa before the Caucasian Europeans took African slaves and brought them here, our diet was fantastic, we didn't eat pork, if we ate meat we would fast to clean the system, lots of water and grains and protein and we mostly were lean and muscular.
Got here the slave owners had a plan to take away our culture, deities, dietary methods, family, music, language etc. There was a plan to cut the AFrican family and divide the woman against the man, and I won't go into details, they broke us just like they did horses. At this time we didn't have ownership of food, the slave owners gave my people what they wanted to give them and a big deal of it was pork!!! I can break the science of that filthy animal down but I don't need to unless asked to. Slave owners who were Caucasian fed slaves grits and pork. Now some of the slaves wouldn't eat the pork so the slave owners starved them, so what do you think they did when they were starved and then offered the pork? They ate it to stay alive. Then as time went on African slaves mastered the art of cooking and seasoning pork and it became an American dish. Now today it's hard to get my people off it, unless you are a Muslim or a African descent Hebrew Israelite Falasha Jew or like me who have Afro-centricity and won't put up with the bullshit. My people eat meat to much, and do it back to back, not to much exercise like back in the day and don't fast enough nor drink enough water. African descent people are messed up in diabetes, high blood tension, high blood pressure, cancer, colon cancer more than Caucasians. And continuing eating out of these fast food places such as McDonalds and Chinese restaurants is no help. I can go on and on, but by now I hope you get it.
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Yes, lets boycott immigrants. That's not fucking racist (rolling eyes)
Are you crazy? Or just Looney mixed with insaneism? Yeah I made up that word because it's just as crazy as you are. You said lets boycott immigrants, where did I say boycott immigrants? Show me? I said boycott those in the communities that don't hire us or give poor service and I gave you specific names, there are Arabs who hire African descent people, so call Jew, Italians etc. So when you say immigrants YOU ARE GENERALIZING and trying to catch me out there. I have been trained to watch words of art and you can't do that with me, you can't play dialectic acrobatics with me, try that shit with someone else. I gave you again specifically who I said and you took it to be general. So roll your eyes at yourself for trying to be slick.
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Statistics have shown that spending more on education doesn't translate into results. America spends far more per capital on education that almost every other nation in the world yet ranks 23
I won't even go into this deeply I think I typed enough. Again do you read the shit you say? Every time there is a cut, it's on education, so how the hell do they spend? Teachers are not paid well enough.......ahhh fuck it, China is laughing at the US, Japan is laughing at the USA they even made commercials laughing and saying how stupid Americans are.
But it's funny ass hell though they spending hella money on INSTITUTIONAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES let me simplify that for you MORE PRISONS!!! But money for education that will help prevent people from going to jail and making Jobs for people in America seems a waste of time. SMH
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One final comment... If OJ was acquited given the evidense stacked up against him, Zimmerman should not only walk - they should give him a 200 dollar Norstroms gift card for his troubles.
And you try to call me a racist? LOL :dead::dead::dead: LOL Fucking unbelievable!!!
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jamesedwards
Nobody ever said that, so it shouldn't lead you do to anything.
Do you honestly have to ask that question? What planet do you live on? Blacks are profiled so much more than other races because they commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime given their % of the overall population...
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I am living on Planet earth, in New York City. The planet you're living on must be on Nibiru!!! The second star to the fucking left!!!
While we are being profiled there's someone of another race getting by with drugs or guns lol figure that shit out.
It’s a legitimate question–widely debated and honestly, difficult to answer. Making matters more difficult, many statistics gathered on the topic appear to have been compiled with underlying motives based on what the researcher wanted to find.
One also has to make sure to find percentages as opposed to outright numbers, since the U.S. is a predominantly Caucasian owned and ran country. Numbers without respect to each race’s population are relatively useless.
AND I WILL END IT WITH THAT!!!
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There's no point arguing with hard5janira. He for some reason believes the majority of Black people in this country represent a criminal, degenerate underclass, as if 75% Black Americans are a part of a criminal class in this country.
It would help this cat if he actually did RESEARCH to get some numbers behind his racist screeds, that way he might learning something instead of regurgitating right wing propaganda, but hey why let truth get in the way when you're on a roll.
Why is OJ brought up in relation to the Trayvon murder??? When is justice supposed to be about 'payback'?? Why is Zimmerman the horse so many racist bigots are betting on for some kind of racial comeuppance??
Apparently hard4janira has never heard of 're-gentrification' either, as if some of us are making that shit up too.
WHen you say 'the Black community is a fucking disaster area', and don't qualify or translate that statement into common english, sorry but the average person is gonna take that as a RACIST commentary.
My family and extended family are not on welfare, aren't in an out of prison. They are military officers, college professors and business owners, they are MARRIED with children, they own their own homes. IMO my own Black family is not that exceptional. There are literally tens of thousands of Black families like mine.
But the nutjobs like you hard5janira think what you hear on the news and right wing radio is the MAJORITY of Black people's reality, instead representing a subclass within the Black community.
Yes there's a crisis of incarceration in the Black community of young Black men being locked up for years for NON-VIOLENT DRUG CRIMES, which is a whole other discussion by itself. Too bad our 'fair and just legal system' doesn't target suburban middle class drug dealers for arrest and conviction, since half of the BM locked up on minor drug offenses could be replaced by their White counterparts if justice was truly blind.
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Well if hard5janira. can contradict the FBI Giovanni with some sources and not mere talk then I will listen.
FBI RECORDS OF CRIMINAL STATISTICS
In 2010, 7,066,154 Caucasians and 2,846,862 African Americans were arrested for some reason or another. In the U.S. in 2010, the population included 223,553,265 Caucasians and 38,929,319 African Americas.
But yet 70% of the prison population is African American, do the math on that shit.!!!
Caucasians are more likely than anyone to commit and have committed serial killings. And those are mostly Caucasian men.
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giovanni_hotel
Why is OJ brought up in relation to the Trayvon murder???
My family and extended family are not on welfare, aren't in an out of prison. They are military officers, college professors and business owners, they are MARRIED with children, they own their own homes. IMO my own Black family is not that exceptional. There are literally tens of thousands of Black families like mine.
But the nutjobs like you hard5janira think what you hear on the news and right wing radio is the MAJORITY of Black people's reality, instead representing a subclass within the Black community.
Yes there's a crisis of incarceration in the Black community of young Black men being locked up for years for NON-VIOLENT DRUG CRIMES, which is a whole other discussion by itself. Too bad our 'fair and just legal system' doesn't target suburban middle class drug dealers for arrest and conviction, since half of the BM locked up on minor drug offenses could be replaced by their White counterparts if justice was truly blind.
That's why I said
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And you try to call me a racist? LOL LOL Fucking unbelievable!!!
Just laughed and kept it moving I have typed enough, I was not going there.
Funny thing is Caucasians can commit the same crime as a African descent person and get a total different prison sentence. Now that's some real bullshit.
See all those white collar jobs are here and being committed but I guess since they are not guttertized no one put them in statistics. SMH World Com and all those other companies that fell after it were CAUCASIAN OWNED and had nothing to do with African descent people, those are the top executives, CEO's, CFO's, Vice Presidents etc committing crimes and fucking people over!!!
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Testimony from hispanic New Jersey state trooper Emblez Longoria in 1999 suggested that this issue (racial profiling) was not specific to Maryland. Longoria said that co-workers and bosses were pressuring him to stop black and hispanic drivers illegally simply to fulfill quota. He alleged that he was harassed and denied promotions when he refused to do so.
I can do this shit all day long !!! But yet asked me what planet I am on, fucking unbelievable!!!
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
And what the most craziest shit is in America when Caucasian youth side with African descent youth those Caucasians are called TRAILER CRASH, aka Ni*** lovers!!! There are some Caucasian adults that don't like what the Caucasian adults are doing and they are called trash, why is that?
Just like in this Trayvon incident, people are not looking at the dam video of protesters, it's not all African descent people, there are a hellava lot of Caucasian people out there, with Hispanics also, so what the fuck is people like Hajira talking about? I know they are racist to the core and want some due back from the OJ case. Get the fuck outta here He was found not guilty, and people still got pus in their mouths over that shit. That's how you know real racism exist!!!
On one motha fucking hand "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" Soon as OJ was found not guilty motha fuckas still said he was guilty, how does that shit work?
Fucked up for OJ, since this person wants to bring this shit up, that dude OJ put half his wife's family through fucking school etc. She was a fucking drug user and doing all types of shit. That's OJ's fault though but it goes to say Nicole was no fucking angel!!!
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giovanni_hotel
There's no point arguing with hard5janira. He for some reason believes the majority of Black people in this country represent a criminal, degenerate underclass, as if 75% Black Americans are a part of a criminal class in this country.
I don't believe that - you made that up. I DO believe, however, that a disproportionate number of black males commit a disproportionate number of crimes. It's a fact.
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giovanni_hotel
Why is OJ brought up in relation to the Trayvon murder??? When is justice supposed to be about 'payback'?? Why is Zimmerman the horse so many racist bigots are betting on for some kind of racial comeuppance??
I didn't say anything about 'payback'. I brought it up because OJ walked with a MOUNTAIN of physical evidence working against his favor. You people have already convicted Zimmerman (as has the media) largely on CIRCUMSTANCIAL evidence. I think that if a jury can aquit OJ based on that a jury of Zimmerman's peers would reasonably let him walk. I hope those of you who want to flush Zimmermans life away because you think he's a racist should find more physical evidence in your favor. But this doesn't matter to you people.. you don't give a fuck about justice. You bablble on about racism and hate crimes - you fuckers don't have a clue what that bullshit means. If you did, you'd be just as outraged at the murder of the two USC students. But you're not. You don't give a fuck about hate crime justice at all.
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giovanni_hotel
WHen you say 'the Black community is a fucking disaster area', and don't qualify or translate that statement into common english, sorry but the average person is gonna take that as a RACIST commentary.
I don't care how you take it. It's a fact, you just can't accept hearing it from white people. People INSIDE your own community have been saying that for years (they call it an 'epipdemic'). What % of black men have been or will be in prison? It's over 40%. That's not normal, but go back to putting your head in the sand.
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giovanni_hotel
My family and extended family are not on welfare, aren't in an out of prison. They are military officers, college professors and business owners, they are MARRIED with children, they own their own homes. IMO my own Black family is not that exceptional. There are literally tens of thousands of Black families like mine.
I think that's terrific. Good for you. I still wouldn't trust you if I saw you wearing a hoodie walking around my neighborhood. Why should I? There are too many bad apples. I can't afford to end up like those two USC students. Sorry, I'm profiling you until your community gets its shit together.
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giovanni_hotel
Yes there's a crisis of incarceration in the Black community of young Black men being locked up for years for NON-VIOLENT DRUG CRIMES, which is a whole other discussion by itself. Too bad our 'fair and just legal system' doesn't target suburban middle class drug dealers for arrest and conviction, since half of the BM locked up on minor drug offenses could be replaced by their White counterparts if justice was truly blind.
Fair enough. I think that there is merit to what you are saying there.
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jamesedwards
On one motha fucking hand "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" Soon as OJ was found not guilty motha fuckas still said he was guilty, how does that shit work?
Fucked up for OJ, since this person wants to bring this shit up, that dude OJ put half his wife's family through fucking school etc. She was a fucking drug user and doing all types of shit. That's OJ's fault though but it goes to say Nicole was no fucking angel!!!
Lol, you're a basket case. Is Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty? I didn't think so....
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hard4janira
Lol, you're a basket case. Is Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty? I didn't think so....
Yeah he has that right he is innocent until proven guilty.
But I guess you're swarming all over the innocent until proven guilty thing. That wasn't the initial problem, see you jump and dance so much you forget the first intention of what this was about. IT WAS ABOUT ZIMMERMAN NOT BEING FUCKING ARRESTED AFTER HE ADMITTING TO KILLING A PERSON!!! That's why the people were outraged and people like you made it a fucking race issue when it wasn't about that at all.
You called me a basket case huh, after all I said? Hummm yeah it would come to that being you can't fuck with what I said as facts!!! But I will be a basket case no problem, but I know who I really am, so thank you for those words, cause if that's all you could come up with, I think I will take that as a compliment. :dancing:
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
HARD4JANIRA REFUTE THIS IF YOU CAN!!!!
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 910,200 of the men and women behind bars last year were black, 777,500 were white and 395,400 were Hispanic.
In 1997, about 9 percent of the black population in the U.S. was under some form of correctional supervision compared to 2 percent of the white population and over 1 percent of other races.
Blacks were two times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail.
But those numbers count only those who were jailed for a crime. In 2003, more than twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.
Of 9.5 million offenses charged, 6.7 million whites were arrested, compared to 2.5 million blacks.
The most common crimes were drug abuse violations, resulting in arrest of 770,430 whites and 381,006 blacks.
Whites were far more likely to be arrested driving under the influence. Of 998,035 total offenses, 877,810 of those arrested where whites.
Blacks, meanwhile, were more than twice as likely as whites to be arrested for gambling, 5,153 to 1,964.
And while blacks comprise about 13 percent of the population, they were charged with most of the robberies, 40,993 compared to 33,070 for whites, and nearly as many homicides--4,395 black and 4,454 white.
Whites outnumbered blacks about 2-1 in arrests for other crimes, including rape (11,766-6,114), aggravated assault (203,076-103,697), burglary (143,889-103,697) and larcey/theft (556,215-233,806.)
Whites also were most often arrested for motor vehicle theft, arson, other assaults, fraud, embezzlement, dealing in stolen property, vandalism, weapons charges, prostitution, sex offenses, crimes against families and children, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, vagrancy, curfew and loitering, suspicion, as runaways and all other offenses not including traffic.
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THE FBI does not have the state of the art voice analysis technology ZIMM LIED!
THE FBI does not have the state of the art voice analysis technology ZIMM LIED!
look below!
*two forensic voice identification experts
*"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence
*Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
Expert Voice Analysists Say 911 Screams are NOT From Zimmerman - YouTube
TRAYVON MARTIN ORIGINAL 911 CALL ENHANCED VERSION! (Screams) Last word (HELP) - YouTube
Zimmerman Screamed For Help, Not Trayvon Martin Says Eyewitness "John" - YouTube
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AmyDaly
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Originally Posted by
natina
Zimmerman lied claiming he was the one hollering for help a witness collaborated it then...
after information leaked that the voice forensically analyzed and it wasn't Zimmerman hollering for help the witness took back there story that it Zimmerman hollering for help Zimmerman caught in a lie cause he did not know the incident was being recorded on 911 tapes
* ZIMMERMAN IS A LIER
* ZIMMERMAN LIED ABOUT CRYING FOR HELP
** ZIMMERMAN LIED ABOUT CRYING FOR HELP HE DID NOT KNOW THE INCIDENT WAS BEING RECORDED
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims
lies coming back to haunt you and destroy your defense zimmerman
Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Screams not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say
The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.
"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.
"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip, came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.
Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ged-story?lite
Mary Cutcher, Witnesses in the Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman Shooting
Expert Voice Analysists Say 911 Screams are NOT From Zimmerman - YouTube
Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police
Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police - YouTube
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Wouldn't it be wonderful, if the notion of race did not exist. If it was against the law to track and report a person's race either by the government or private enterprise?
I would love to see a movement to do away with race categories, so we can get on with the business of just getting along. Especially, with all the mixed race people in the world, President Obama included. To be exact, he is not our first black president he is our first mixed race president. But, if race wasn't an issue, he would be known as our first president from Hawaii. Wouldn't that be refreshing?
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You know how I know it was Trayvon yelling because instantly when the shot went off the yelling stopped, I mean instantly, and being Trayvon was the one shot, it was him. If it was Zimmerman you would of heard a little bit more screaming and it would of been calming down it wouldn't have automatically shut off like that because Zimmerman was alive. A witness said he he/she saw Zimmerman he was just over Trayvon, not saying nothing with his hand on his head. If it was really Zimmerman he would of made more noise and he would of been scrambling than what the witness said.
Remember John as they called him was the one who said she closed his door and ran for the phone, that's the one that closed his door and you hear the first pop noise. He was standing ground level when that went down, I believe he could of seen who threw he first punch.
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Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"
Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ical-narrative
Tim Wise on the Creation of Whiteness
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...whiteness-clip
Tim Wise on White Privilege
http://redroom.com/member/tim-wise/m...ivilege-teaser
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Originally Posted by
jamesedwards
HARD4JANIRA REFUTE THIS IF YOU CAN!!!!
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 910,200 of the men and women behind bars last year were black, 777,500 were white and 395,400 were Hispanic.
In 1997, about 9 percent of the black population in the U.S. was under some form of correctional supervision compared to 2 percent of the white population and over 1 percent of other races.
Blacks were two times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail.
But those numbers count only those who were jailed for a crime. In 2003, more than twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.
Of 9.5 million offenses charged, 6.7 million whites were arrested, compared to 2.5 million blacks.
The most common crimes were drug abuse violations, resulting in arrest of 770,430 whites and 381,006 blacks.
Whites were far more likely to be arrested driving under the influence. Of 998,035 total offenses, 877,810 of those arrested where whites.
Blacks, meanwhile, were more than twice as likely as whites to be arrested for gambling, 5,153 to 1,964.
And while blacks comprise about 13 percent of the population, they were charged with most of the robberies, 40,993 compared to 33,070 for whites, and nearly as many homicides--4,395 black and 4,454 white.
Whites outnumbered blacks about 2-1 in arrests for other crimes, including rape (11,766-6,114), aggravated assault (203,076-103,697), burglary (143,889-103,697) and larcey/theft (556,215-233,806.)
Whites also were most often arrested for motor vehicle theft, arson, other assaults, fraud, embezzlement, dealing in stolen property, vandalism, weapons charges, prostitution, sex offenses, crimes against families and children, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, vagrancy, curfew and loitering, suspicion, as runaways and all other offenses not including traffic.
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2 forensic experts will testify that it was not George Zimmerman crying for help. THE ONLY OTHER REASONABLE EXPLANATION IS THAT ITS trayvon martin screaming for help
Zimmerman lied claiming he was the one hollering for help a witness collaborated it then...
after information leaked that the voice wforensicallyaanalyzedied and it was nZimmermanman hollering for help the witness took back there story that it wZimmermanman hollering for heZimmermanerman caught in a lie cause he did not know the incident was being recorded on 911 tapes
* ZIMMERMAN IS A LIER
* ZIMMERMAN LIED ABOUT CRYING FOR HELP
Mary Cutcher, Witnesses in the Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman Shooting
Expert Voice Analysis's Say 911 Screams are NOT From Zimmerman - YouTube
Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police
Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police - YouTube
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Originally Posted by
jamesedwards
You know how I know it was Trayvon yelling because instantly when the shot went off the yelling stopped, I mean instantly, and being Trayvon was the one shot, it was him. If it was Zimmerman you would of heard a little bit more screaming and it would of been calming down it wouldn't have automatically shut off like that because Zimmerman was alive. A witness said he he/she saw Zimmerman he was just over Trayvon, not saying nothing with his hand on his head. If it was really Zimmerman he would of made more noise and he would of been scrambling than what the witness said.
Remember John as they called him was the one who said she closed his door and ran for the phone, that's the one that closed his door and you hear the first pop noise. He was standing ground level when that went down, I believe he could of seen who threw he first punch.
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Originally Posted by
fastingforlife
Wouldn't it be wonderful, if the notion of race did not exist. If it was against the law to track and report a person's race either by the government or private enterprise?
I would love to see a movement to do away with race categories, so we can get on with the business of just getting along. Especially, with all the mixed race people in the world, President Obama included. To be exact, he is not our first black president he is our first mixed race president. But, if race wasn't an issue, he would be known as our first president from Hawaii. Wouldn't that be refreshing?
I like how you threw that PRESIDENT FROM HAWAII in there lol :dead: You gotta prove that buddy.
What you said is nice, I like it, and it was like that back in Africa being that's the place of civilization. People were not scene based on their complexion though they loved their complexion due to the science and the sun. They primarily went by Nation as a sovereign place and by personal names. Personal names would basically be given to carve out a wonderful character for you and some times wretched names also, mostly good names.
Racism makes money in the capitalistic country, the govt want it like this because of how they began their constitution with Mulatto and Quad Mulatto and one drop blood rule and all that bullshit. That's how white supremacy works they are not trying to be lumped into one, they feel they are better and it should be a category of who's who. That's the realism of it, what you are talking once happened and it's gone due to slavery and racism.
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Yep Natina Mary Cutcher is saying basically what I am saying, it's common sense, yet the police didn't even want her FACTUAL AND LOGICAL statement, that's why I don't trust shit they say!!!
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Re: Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"
:dead: See Natina, what did I say? Didn't I say Caucasians are not white people that when they came here they were known as Christians and white became a status classification identity prop? And Africans never called themselves black, that's why I don't use that term, I gave the break down of it and I wish my people would stop using that term BLACK.
Great video I seen him back in the day, now people it's coming from a Caucasian and he's right they were fighting each other in Europe, ala Russia Caucus Mountains. These people here have no idea what type of knowledge I have a lot of these racist are ignorant to the bone, literally!!
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natina
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Once the two forensic experts show it wasn't Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!! So now they are working on getting old footage of Tray in his high pitch sounds like playing football or some sport or just playing around yelling. See they not going to get in court and the defense ask them did they do a test on Trayvon and they say no, they will be able to say yes. They are doing that now.
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That's why when some fool here say "BLACK FOLK ARE MORE RACIST THAN ANY OTHER RACE" I just laugh because they obviously don't know the true meaning of that word. They do what everyone else does and role with the band wagon without thinking for a moment and studying. From the original definition African descent people is not and can't be racist, again we can be prejudice and hate, but I ask if I say I hate all Hispanics, will that affect them just by me saying that? Nope, that's why hate is hate and hating another race or ethnic group is not racist it's just what it is HATE!!!! Which is no better but my point is to pull hate away from the word racism as though it's synonymous to one another because if it was when you look up the word hate, racism would be some where in there and it's not at all.
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Originally Posted by
jamesedwards
That's why when some fool here say "BLACK FOLK ARE MORE RACIST THAN ANY OTHER RACE" I just laugh because they obviously don't know the true meaning of that word. They do what everyone else does and role with the band wagon without thinking for a moment and studying. From the original definition African descent people is not and can't be racist, again we can be prejudice and hate, but I ask if I say I hate all Hispanics, will that affect them just by me saying that? Nope, that's why hate is hate and hating another race or ethnic group is not racist it's just what it is HATE!!!! Which is no better but my point is to pull hate away from the word racism as though it's synonymous to one another because if it was when you look up the word hate, racism would be some where in there and it's not at all.
I'm sorry but that's not true. Hating a race of people or specific ethnic group IS racist. It doesn't matter if you're white, hispanic, or black, if you're hating an entire group of people based on race, you're being racist.
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Originally Posted by
maddygirl
I'm sorry but that's not true. Hating a race of people or specific ethnic group IS racist. It doesn't matter if you're white, hispanic, or black, if you're hating an entire group of people based on race, you're being racist.
No it's not, show me the original meaning of racist. Do you know what the original meaning is? I'm not talking about the cliche you follow or think you know. The original meaning of being a racist. Racism affect people, if I say I hate all Hispanics that is not racism, that's hate!!! It's not really a racist comment. Why do you think when they put out reports they call it A HATE CRIME lol Because technically if you say you hate an entire race it's just that it's not racism. Now I want you to give me the original meaning of racism because hating an entire race or ethnic group is not racist. And there are only three races on the planet. I hope you know that too.
Some of you just follow what others have told you and you don't study words you just say it and think everyone else is wrong. If you think I am wrong prove me wrong. Because soon as you do I am going to drop the fucking bomb on you!!! Racism is not hating, show me where the word hate has in it's definition racism as being synonymous with it. Usually when words have a meaning in it you don't understand you can go to that word and then when you get that word the original word that lead you there is more times is there.
rac·ism http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Notice how hatred is number three that's modern input and it's not the original definition. Again direct racism affect people, and if you say hating a race or ethnic people is the same as racism you're totally wrong because if I hate a race or ethnic group it doesn't affect that group all I am doing is expressing a feeling.
hate [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.
to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
you mean
Once the two forensic experts show it was Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!!
its already a wrap for zimmerman
he caught in many lies and inconsistency's
correction for this below
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Originally Posted by
jamesedwards
Once the two forensic experts show it wasn't Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!! So now they are working on getting old footage of Tray in his high pitch sounds like playing football or some sport or just playing around yelling. See they not going to get in court and the defense ask them did they do a test on Trayvon and they say no, they will be able to say yes. They are doing that now.
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Originally Posted by
fastingforlife
Wouldn't it be wonderful, if the notion of race did not exist. If it was against the law to track and report a person's race either by the government or private enterprise?
I would love to see a movement to do away with race categories, so we can get on with the business of just getting along. Especially, with all the mixed race people in the world, President Obama included. To be exact, he is not our first black president he is our first mixed race president. But, if race wasn't an issue, he would be known as our first president from Hawaii. Wouldn't that be refreshing?
Never gonna happen
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Originally Posted by
jamesedwards
No it's not, show me the original meaning of racist. Do you know what the original meaning is? I'm not talking about the cliche you follow or think you know. The original meaning of being a racist. Racism affect people, if I say I hate all Hispanics that is not racism, that's hate!!! It's not really a racist comment. Why do you think when they put out reports they call it A HATE CRIME lol Because technically if you say you hate an entire race it's just that it's not racism. Now I want you to give me the original meaning of racism because hating an entire race or ethnic group is not racist. And there are only three races on the planet. I hope you know that too.
Some of you just follow what others have told you and you don't study words you just say it and think everyone else is wrong. If you think I am wrong prove me wrong. Because soon as you do I am going to drop the fucking bomb on you!!! Racism is not hating, show me where the word hate has in it's definition racism as being synonymous with it. Usually when words have a meaning in it you don't understand you can go to that word and then when you get that word the original word that lead you there is more times is there.
rac·ism
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Notice how hatred is number three that's modern input and it's not the original definition. Again direct racism affect people, and if you say hating a race or ethnic people is the same as racism you're totally wrong because if I hate a race or ethnic group it doesn't affect that group all I am doing is expressing a feeling.
hate [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.
to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
It doesn't matter to me what you think the definition is. And it's also funny that you'd pick a site that contradicts your orginal point and uses hatred of another race as the DEFINITION of RACISM. If you hate a whole ethnic group you're being racist, end of story. Don't try to justify racism. So it has to affect people huh? Well don't you think BEFORE it affects people it starts with HATE. Come on now.
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We're arguing semantics. For practical purposes on the micro- level, anyone individually can be a racist/bigot.
Racism isn't always institutional or only a byproduct of someone who's a part of the cultural or racial majority in the country.
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So following Jamesedward's definition of racism the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis was not racism?
I know where he is coming from. The notion that briefly held currency that it is or was impossible for a group who in a minority and have been historically discriminated against cannot be racist towards the majority group that oppresses them. But this is an politically expedient political position and certainly not really based on a n honest examination of the behaviour of groups.
Thus there have in recent times been any times when a group who might be seen to be oppressed are racist towards another group. in the Uk for instance the Afro-Caribbean community practice discriminations the Somali community. Many people from Trinidad hate Jamaicans. And in the Zimbabwe under Ronert Mugabe there has, for some years, been clear proof of discrimination again the former white ruling group. You might try to justify that as revenge but it is - nonetheless - racist.
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This is why I can't talk to you because on serious topics you pull Stormfront statistics out of your ass.
What % of black men have been or will be in prison? It's over 40%. That's not normal, but go back to putting your head in the sand.
The U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics says that 1 in 3 BM can expect to go to prison over their lifetimes. Still too high at 33%, but saying it's over forty percent is crazy.
If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
he needs a prescription of TIM WISE
white person is more likely to shot up a school,kill his whole family, serial killer
TIM WISE
talks about white violence because of the coping factor
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html
Has Black Friday arrived in America? If so, are you prepared?
Actually, if you're a "white" American, there's a good chance that you're less prepared than other Americans. Emotionally that, is. And mentally. Maybe even physically.
As is so often the case, Tim Wise has explained well this common symptom of learning to be white:
Racism and white privilege/supremacy generates a mindset of entitlement among those in the dominant group. This entitlement mentality can prove dangerous, whenever the expectations of a member of the group are frustrated. Principally this is because such persons develop very weak coping skills as a result of never having to overcome the obstacles that oppressed folks deal with every day and MUST conquer in order to survive.
So, as a result, it is the privileged (the beneficiaries of racism, and also, it should be pointed out, the class system) who are ill-prepared for setback: the loss of a job, stocks taking a nose-dive (who were the folks jumping out the windows in the great depression–not poor folks and folks of color, but rich whites who couldn’t handle being broke!) Likewise, if you look at the various personal pathologies that tend to be disproportionate in the white community (and upper middle class for that matter), they are interesting in that they all are about control–controlling one’s anxiety, emotional pain, or controlling and dominating others–like suicide, substance abuse, eating disorders, self-injury/mutilation, serial killing and mass murder (as opposed to just regular one-on-one homicide), sexual sadism killings, etc.
Not knowing how the world works is dangerous. White privilege and racism allow the dominant group to live in a bubble of unreality. Most days that’s no big deal I suppose. But every now and then reality intrudes on you and if you haven’t been expecting it, the trauma is magnified. So, when 9/11 happened, millions of whites were running around saying “why do they hate us?” because whites have never had to see our nation the way others do–we’ve been able to live in la-la land.
But folks of color didn’t say this, because those without privilege HAVE to know what others think about them. Not to do so is to be in perpetual danger. So whites flipped out, and by virtue of being unprepared, pushed for a policy response (war) that folks of color were HIGHLY skeptical of from the beginning. But whites, enthralled by our sense of righteousness (itself a manifestation of privilege), pushed forward, convinced that the war in Iraq would go swimmingly. How’s that working out?
In other words, racism and privilege generate mentalities and policies that are dysfunctional, even deadly for whites as with folks of color. Folks of color are the first victims, to be sure, and the worst. But as someone else said, what goes around. . .
Privilege creates a false sense of security. Being the dominant group can set you up for a fall, can prevent you from building up the coping skills needed to deal with setback, because so often those skills are ones you just don't need.
Until you do, that is.
[This quotation is adapted from two sources: a comment Tim Wise wrote at Resist Racism, and one of his books, White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son. Lyrics for Steely Dan's song "Black Friday"]
This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.
The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wis...whiteness-clip
more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEW...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlN...eature=related
affirmative action /school bias
white people have affimative action to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irqMXsiXx0
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Originally Posted by
giovanni_hotel
This is why I can't talk to you because on serious topics you pull Stormfront statistics out of your ass.
What % of black men have been or will be in prison? It's over 40%. That's not normal, but go back to putting your head in the sand.
The U.S. Bureau of Justice statistics says that 1 in 3 BM can expect to go to prison over their lifetimes. Still too high at 33%, but saying it's over forty percent is crazy.
If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'
