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Lester316
Aside from all that it's the hardest time in years to make big money in porn with free tube sites stealing content and 'fans' watching it there rather than supporting the performers/producers.
A Fucking-men.
When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:
1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.
The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.
I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.
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Wendy Summers
A Fucking-men.
When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:
1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.
The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.
I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.
Thank you Wendy.
I have to admit I wish I had the sort of disposable income that allowed me to do exactly that with all the performers I like, what I won't do though is use that as an excuse to find their content for free. Right now I'm still a student and I have to pick and choose carefully what I can afford - safe to say when I'm making some real cash I'm going to do some stellar catching up - I may have to remind myself to invest in some sort of wrist support first though...
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You can't blame people for the misconception. When people are posting about luxury items, trips on private jets, and other sort of things on social media. You would be hard press to have someone think they are not making any money. Especially when you have escorts who charge 1k hour, what in the world people are going to think. The second question people will ask if you see all these things then you wonder where does all the money go?
Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.
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lifeisfiction
You can't blame people for the misconception. When people are posting about luxury items, trips on private jets, and other sort of things on social media. You would be hard press to have someone think they are not making any money. Especially when you have escorts who charge 1k hour, what in the world people are going to think. The second question people will ask if you see all these things then you wonder where does all the money go?
Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.
All the media I've seen in recent years is about how the porn industry is slowing dying due to the rise of tube sites and 'homemade' porn. Some of your points are valid but the message being given to the public right now is porn doesn't make you much money.
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lifeisfiction
Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.
The performers aren't the ones making the big money--especially not the trans performers. It's the lowest-paying niche. It's yet another part of the bullshit they have to face daily.
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Lester316
All the media I've seen in recent years is about how the porn industry is slowing dying due to the rise of tube sites and 'homemade' porn. Some of your points are valid but the message being given to the public right now is porn doesn't make you much money.
Just type porn and billions and you will see what I mean. I have never heard the media discuss tube sites only the adult news media discussed it. If mass media mention illegal downloads it would be in reference to Hollywood movies and music. Porn is looked upon as lucrative and sensational regardless of people's moral views. In addition, most people just follow their favorite porn actress and that's pretty much it.
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lifeisfiction
Just type porn and billions and you will see what I mean. I have never heard the media discuss tube sites only the adult news media discussed it. If mass media mention illegal downloads it would be in reference to Hollywood movies and music. Porn is looked upon as lucrative and sensational regardless of people's moral views. In addition, most people just follow their favorite porn actress and that's pretty much it.
Well I could say type 'porn losing money' and you'll get plenty of hits. The point with websearching terms is that googlewhacks are rare and if you look for something you'll find it.
Anyhow in recent times I've read online articles and even seen a BBC documentary detailing how porn is struggling just as examples. They weren't adult media in the slightest and the BBC is about as mainstream as it gets.
Most people may just follow a pornstar or whatever but it is crazy to suggest that most people know whether porn is lucrative or not. The reality is most have no idea either way.
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Wendy Summers
A Fucking-men.
When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:
1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.
The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.
I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.
Preach on Wendy!
I've paid for a LOT of porn (just ask Steven Grooby LoL) over the years....but the bottom line is that if you want to see more, then get a membership!
No ifs, ands, or buts.....Why should the women produce more when folks aren't ponying up for subscriptions to the sites?
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Originally Posted by
Lester316
Movie and TV stars who earn the big bucks either shoot 2-3 films a year or star in one TV show with a large episode commitment and get paid millions for it, Tom Cruise isn't selling pics on snapchat and Jennifer Lawrence doesn't need to dance at a strip club to supplement her income. .
As an aside, Harrison Ford was paid £10,000 for his work on the original Star Wars movie, the actor playing Chewbacca got $5,400 and the man in the Darth Vader suit got nothing at all. However, if actors on films ask for percentages of the takings, that is where they can make millions -Sir Alec Guinness, who had gone for percentages before and lost did not expect Star Wars to become such a phenomenon but is estimated to have made over $50m from his 2.25%. This is the link with the claims-
https://www.quora.com/How-much-were-...he-latest-film
Porn is on a completely different level and cannot be compared, and I suspect Jenna Jameson probably made as much if not more money from her 'celebrity' appearances and the book How to Make Love Like a Porn Star than in the films she made-but as with porn and film and tv a lot depends on what people do with the money they earn, plenty just spend it and end up bankrupt while others invest it and do well.
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Stavros
As an aside, Harrison Ford was paid £10,000 for his work on the original
Star Wars movie, the actor playing Chewbacca got $5,400 and the man in the Darth Vader suit got nothing at all. However, if actors on films ask for percentages of the takings, that is where they can make millions -Sir Alec Guinness, who had gone for percentages before and lost did not expect
Star Wars to become such a phenomenon but is estimated to have made over $50m from his 2.25%. This is the link with the claims-
https://www.quora.com/How-much-were-...he-latest-film
Porn is on a completely different level and cannot be compared, and I suspect Jenna Jameson probably made as much if not more money from her 'celebrity' appearances and the book
How to Make Love Like a Porn Star than in the films she made-but as with porn and film and tv a lot depends on what people do with the money they earn, plenty just spend it and end up bankrupt while others invest it and do well.
As an aside is referring to a film made over 30 years ago really relevant? Anyhow Harrison Ford might have only made £10,000 for his role (still crazy money to normal people) but his earnings following what was clearly a breakout performance have dwarfed that.
The real irony of it all is Guinness made so much from a role he hated and comparatively tiny amounts from roles he may have felt were more befitting of his status. Explains why Hopkins is going to be in Bay's next Transformers film though...
I wonder how many porn performers love what they do and make relatively bugger all compared to those that hate it but simply do it for the money.
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christianxxx
this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?
Yes, i do believe it. and?
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GroobySteven
You're an idiot. Seriously, a fucking informed, ignorant and utter idiot.
no, it's pretty true.
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holzz
no, it's pretty true.
So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?
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Lester316
So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?
No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.
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Lester316
So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?
No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.
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holzz
No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.
Wow.... Such a polite individual. I haven't sworn or insulted you in the slightest I simply wondered if you had some basis to have such a differing point of view from the 'people in the know' so to speak.
But carry on like that if you wish no doubt the ban hammer will follow if you talk to people that way.
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holzz
No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.
Also I don't have asperger's. Plus I wouldn't use a developmental disorder as an insult type - quite a callous thing for someone to do as it shows a complete lack of respect for people who have to cope with such things in their daily life.
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Lester316
As an aside is referring to a film made over 30 years ago really relevant? Anyhow Harrison Ford might have only made £10,000 for his role (still crazy money to normal people) but his earnings following what was clearly a breakout performance have dwarfed that.
The real irony of it all is Guinness made so much from a role he hated and comparatively tiny amounts from roles he may have felt were more befitting of his status. Explains why Hopkins is going to be in Bay's next Transformers film though...
I wonder how many porn performers love what they do and make relatively bugger all compared to those that hate it but simply do it for the money.
The point I was making is that it might not be the money people make from Porn or Star Wars but what it is that they do with it. I knew a cam performer in the Philippines who had a boyfriend in the Middle East who sent her $1,000 every month, which is a decent income in the PI, but as most of that was spent on her family, she had little or nothing to save. Some porn stars invest their earnings, others spend it, the assumption that they and those who escort or do both, are making good money is just that, you cannot know how much someone has benefited from one job without seeing the accounts for what is a career that may not last more than 10 years.
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Stavros
I knew a cam performer in the Philippines who had a boyfriend in the Middle East who sent her $1,000 every month,
So let me break this down for you:
1) We work in an industry where it's important to make guys desire you. Giving the impression that someone drops serious cash on you on a regular basis creates a sense of demand. There's an incentive to exaggerate the amount earned as it encourages others to spend. It also incentivizes to represent the guy's situation they are with as their own. If you're bragging about the bank you bring in.... you're probably not bringing in the bank.
2) Income like the cam model is discussing is fleeting. A high rollers interests will change over time and your income will drop like a rock. It's not sustainable income over the long run.
3) Someone else raised the issue of Luxury Items? A gift bought by someone who'd rather have a Macy's charge on their account their wife won't question.
4) Someone else raised the issue of girls who charge $1K plus per hour. That seems like a lot, but they aren't working a 40 hour week. I don't have significant insight on escorting as it's not my cup of tea, but from what I see from the girls I know do it: on average most will only see 0-1 clients a week. That's not exactly retirement money.
Are there girls who make money and squander it? Sure. But even if they didn't, they still wouldn't have a huge cash reserve to draw on.
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did u say invest? i hate to tell you this but i am here to tell you that 99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.
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Originally Posted by
Wendy Summers
So let me break this down for you:
1) We work in an industry where it's important to make guys desire you. Giving the impression that someone drops serious cash on you on a regular basis creates a sense of demand. There's an incentive to exaggerate the amount earned as it encourages others to spend. It also incentivizes to represent the guy's situation they are with as their own. If you're bragging about the bank you bring in.... you're probably not bringing in the bank.
2) Income like the cam model is discussing is fleeting. A high rollers interests will change over time and your income will drop like a rock. It's not sustainable income over the long run.
3) Someone else raised the issue of Luxury Items? A gift bought by someone who'd rather have a Macy's charge on their account their wife won't question.
4) Someone else raised the issue of girls who charge $1K plus per hour. That seems like a lot, but they aren't working a 40 hour week. I don't have significant insight on escorting as it's not my cup of tea, but from what I see from the girls I know do it: on average most will only see 0-1 clients a week. That's not exactly retirement money.
Are there girls who make money and squander it? Sure. But even if they didn't, they still wouldn't have a huge cash reserve to draw on.
Wendy I can only agree with one of these statements and that is many people in the porn industry don't save money. They are like some athletes who burn through their money quickly and do not realize once they stop or they get older it will be harder to generate the same level of income.
1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash. That wasn't reported in the Magazine and media. Her and others like her were quite busy. (Crazy part, she wasn't that pretty go figure)
Women in the industry get good things and it is based on their level of success. In the last decade and a half porn has become more competitive with more women and men entering the business. To be a top or recognized performer is not very easy at all. Hell it wasn't easy in the past. Comparing a top GG performer to a top TG may not be the same, but you can't say they're making farthings. We should differentiate not all women who do porn are escorts. Some women use porn to up their demand. With escorts, if you land the right client they will throw money at you. In addition if you're escorting Uncle Sam is certainly not seeing any of that money. Maybe few pay taxes and call it something different, but I wager the barn a majority don't pay taxes.
Again not all porn stars pull in the same money and doing one or two scenes does not make you a porn star. Of course like any profession based on physically abilities, you have only a certain amount of time before the body cannot keep up with demand. Not everyone is going to make millions like Jenna Jameson, but when you are top billed star you better learn to save you money. People don't do porn just for kicks.
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lifeisfiction
1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash.
Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.
Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.
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Originally Posted by
Wendy Summers
Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.
Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.
Add in the fact considering very recent news going to Dubai as an escort is a perilous thing..
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Originally Posted by
Wendy Summers
Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.
Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.
Escorts who make 1k hour do not have one client a week. Escorting has not changed night and day. The only difference is the amount of information such as reviews help weed out bad ones. Yes there is more, but they are all not good. In addition few stay in it for the long. Haul so to say it's drastically different is sort of a exaggeration.
Then I have to ask Wendy are you saying top porn performers are making less then they did a decade ago? Including all revenue streams, whether it is porn, escorting, and gifts? (Thanks to the internet it is easier to obtain all three.)
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Originally Posted by
lifeisfiction
Wendy I can only agree with one of these statements and that is many people in the porn industry don't save money. They are like some athletes who burn through their money quickly and do not realize once they stop or they get older it will be harder to generate the same level of income.
1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash. That wasn't reported in the Magazine and media. Her and others like her were quite busy. (Crazy part, she wasn't that pretty go figure)
Women in the industry get good things and it is based on their level of success. In the last decade and a half porn has become more competitive with more women and men entering the business. To be a top or recognized performer is not very easy at all. Hell it wasn't easy in the past. Comparing a top GG performer to a top TG may not be the same, but you can't say they're making farthings. We should differentiate not all women who do porn are escorts. Some women use porn to up their demand. With escorts, if you land the right client they will throw money at you. In addition if you're escorting Uncle Sam is certainly not seeing any of that money. Maybe few pay taxes and call it something different, but I wager the barn a majority don't pay taxes.
Again not all porn stars pull in the same money and doing one or two scenes does not make you a porn star. Of course like any profession based on physically abilities, you have only a certain amount of time before the body cannot keep up with demand. Not everyone is going to make millions like Jenna Jameson, but when you are top billed star you better learn to save you money. People don't do porn just for kicks.
Just wondering how do you know so much about these 1K an hour escorts? I noticed you've used an interview article from something like over 10 years ago as your point of reference (you'll have to pardon me on this too but New York magazine is that a real thing or did you mean a magazine based in New York?) but even in that case you are talking about just one person; then you mention things that weren't reported in the magazine or the media. Excuse my confusion but I can't quite work out how what you are saying is anything more than conjecture based on assumptive conclusions... well unless you were the high-paying client of multiple escorts or their pimp?
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Lester316
Just wondering how do you know so much about these 1K an hour escorts? I noticed you've used an interview article from something like over 10 years ago as your point of reference (you'll have to pardon me on this too but New York magazine is that a real thing or did you mean a magazine based in New York?) but even in that case you are talking about just one person; then you mention things that weren't reported in the magazine or the media. Excuse my confusion but I can't quite work out how what you are saying is anything more than conjecture based on assumptive conclusions... well unless you were the high-paying client of multiple escorts or their pimp?
Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.
I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.
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Originally Posted by
lifeisfiction
Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.
I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.
Fair play answers my question perfectly. I have to admit the New York magazine surprised me; it would be akin to us having a 'Birmingham' magazine here which wouldn't be good.
(For anyone who pops up to tell me there is a 'Birmingham' chronicle or some such I didn't mean like a local paper..).
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What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.
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bigkid69
What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.
Hey, maybe those three people are part of the conspiracy! :)
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Originally Posted by
lifeisfiction
Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.
I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.
Life is fiction, as is this post lol
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bigkid69
What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.
Holzz is the most idiotic user on this site, I bet he has the most thumbs down posts by far.
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nysprod
Life is fiction, as is this post lol
Not fiction.
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christianxxx
did u say invest? i hate to tell you this but i am here to tell you that 99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.
Investment doesn't have to be in equity, I know of two escorts who used money saved to buy property -a capital asset- and another two who invested their earnings in hair and beauty salons. We are not really disagreeing here, the point being that in a career that doesn't last long, and where the sums of money can fluctuate even well known performers are not rich, but can make enough money to start a modest business to turn to when they retire. I don't know what Jessie Dubai has done with the money she has earned, but the costs of litigation will be hard to bear.
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Wendy Summers
before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content.
A dirty truth that most folks don't want to discuss....
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Originally Posted by
lifeisfiction
Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.
I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.
you are ignoring the #1 fundamental law of porn my friend
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christianxxx
99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.
I bet most people dont know what it is...I dont but in general, equity refers to a defined fraction of ownership
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and u just defined what a share of stock is my friend. you answered your own question
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lifeisfiction
Then I have to ask Wendy are you saying top porn performers are making less then they did a decade ago? Including all revenue streams, whether it is porn, escorting, and gifts? (Thanks to the internet it is easier to obtain all three.)
YES absolutely.
Next question?
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in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.
additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.
what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.
so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.
now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.
there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.
Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.
Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.
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Re: The TS Jessy Dubai Case
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in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.
additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.
what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.
so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.
now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.
there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.
Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.
Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.
Any questions?
The thing I am saying is decent performer in porn shouldn't be flat broke. I never indicated they are making 500k a year. I just said they make a decent dollar. I wasn't say top performers reflects the industry as a whole. Your 50 to 100 dollars of privates on backpage is way off if you are referring for the hour. I am just saying you can make a decent dollar, if you are smart. Of course our definition of decent dollar will be different.
