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Haha! I'm with ya on not being able to watch a dude go down on a sexy as T-girl if he's got a beard. Like I and the OP alluded to, it's kind of funny how we all got our own individual likes and dislikes when it comes to these perfectly evolved women. But I just can't get with the anything up my ass. Had a doc give me a rectal exam years ago that lasted all of a few seconds, and that was the first and last time anything ever went in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzzzay
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
after 4000+ posts and years on this site where this question has been asked and answered in a variety of ways, i'm a bit shocked you are still curious.
it is not a unique concept that one's tastes can evolve...that is what makes us distinctly able to evolve...that we are not stagnant, we have the ability to change our behaviors. moreover, who says that anything is in fact evolving. one can just have had the right experience to trigger what could have been otherwise repressed desires. just because you may now act on something that you didn't or wouldn't have done when you were 15 is meaningless.
the question of why so many men like pre-op transwomen is as complex and equally meaningless as why men like brussel sprouts. there are many many different reasons, many of which have very little to do with evolving tastes.
there are also the two 800lb gorillas in the room which is ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE! you cannot discount what it means to be able to google any kind of porn or for that matter, any phrase and find that rule 34 applies. moreover, you cannot discount that we live in a time where acceptance of "alternative lifestyles" is more mainstream than not.
so, that being said, i find that your question, "why are SO MANY str8 men attracted to...." is flawed because you have to ask that relative to the time we live in where it is far easier to see/interact with transwomen and more acceptable to do so. transwomen represent a subset of "all women" who have their admirers. maybe the issue is that you see transwomen as something unique or taboo, where i do not. to me, just as black chicks are a subset of "all women", blondes are a subset of "all women," or asian chicks with webbed toes are a subset of "all women," so too are transwomen...a group to be admired for whatever artificial designation you give them.
Omg you are so full of shit you're married for crissakes...go jerk off in the library again.
because i love to suck a woman's dick. does that make sense? to hear her moans and taste her cum. and visually it is incredibly arousing to see that beautiful feminine face with a hard cock below ready to shoot a load
I agree with a lot of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
A fine TS woman who has her act together and takes care of herself is so sexy it's almost an unfair advantage. I love the latinas with their accent and the way they dress.
He jacked it in the library?Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Totally uncool.
I'm still convinced it comes down to the penis.
I like it in my mouth, but she has to be really pretty.
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Originally Posted by RallyCola
You're comparing one's attraction to Black women to that of a man who discovers he has an attraction to a transwoman???
TS at best are uncommon. For me it's not about them being unique or a taboo.
I don't have a problem with my attraction to transwomen, however I've begrudgingly learned to accept the labels that are associated with men attracted to preop TS.
That's a huge leap for most identified straight men to accept, but it something we have to work through and learn to deal with.
Being attracted to transwomen is not about ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE.
I have access to all kinds of things through the magic of the internet. But for the most part my views on my own sexuality have been augmented, they didn't radically change. There's certain kinds of bodytypes I like, certain features I prefer in women. Generally that's where I gravitate to on the internet.
My attraction and exposure to TS is one of the few times since my adolescence where an image alone absent any experience coalesced my feelings sexually absent any real experience.
As an adolescent when you see a pic of a pretty naked woman, you know immediately how much you desire to be with her and know intuitively what you would do sexually.
For the same thing to happen after age 32 when you see your first images of TS isn't something IMO you would anticipate happening.
And it's not whether or not I believe TS are a subset of all women. When you meet a genuine trans-chick for the first time, everything about her personality wise vibes you the same way as any other woman would.
But it's definitely NOT accepted.
Lesbians are accepted. Even gay football players are accepted, except maybe in the lockerroom.
I have yet to see a straight guy in love with a TS embraced or supported publicly by anyone or any advocacy group.
Straight man/TS relationships threaten the status quo, and make both MEN and WOMEN insecure on a level that gay and lesbian relationships do not.
Sexuality and changes in food appetites is a really poor analogy.
Most of us are hardwired into who we are going to be sexually in our teens.
We might add a few kinks here and there, but for straight men the finale still ends with our dick in a woman's mouth, or fucking a pussy or ass.
My younger self would literally not know who I was sexually.:ignore:
To reach a point in life where you now view genitalia as gender-neutral and NOT gender defining, at least for me, is a radical change in perspective.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Well I can only give you my take on it through my experiences. I too am a Black man, I love pussy. In fact, I didn't even know what I TS was before 1992. I still remember my first experience it I remember when I saw her dick and I didn't freak out. She went down on me, I didn't touch her (in fact it would be another two years before I would get the courage to touch a penis) but after that initial experience, I was hooked. I would go to NYC all the time Sally's became one of my favorite hangouts. Eventually I did everything with a TS (include getting fucked - tried it twice 11 years apart and I realize that is not my thing). I too would date one IRL if the opportunity presented itself. I love their femininity and some can be quite charming once they know you are not bullshitting them. Treat them like ladies and most of them will treat you like a king.
Even with a dick, there is nothing gay about a guy liking a feminine woman regardless of what she has down there. Dick or pussy alone doesn't determine sexual orientation.
Even before I've heard of pre-op transsexuals, ever since I was 13, I always fantasized about being with a woman with a dick, even though at the time I believed that no such women existed. At about that time, one of my best friends told me he had a dream about having sex with a pretty girl, but he screamed in disgust when he found out she had a cock. I said to him "oh yeah, that's disgusting, blah blah blah," but privately I wished I had a dream like that. I never admitted that to him.
Right on Vladimir Putin, giovanni_hotel, and RallyCola. We all have variations but we all love Unicorns, those magical mythical creatures that actually do exist.
They are self made in that they have replaced their identity programming from a standard set to what they want, then also worked their physical image to fit that. They truly love what they are, but want others to accept them that way. One tgirl can be super fem, then blow you away with their roller blading or motorcycle hobby.
I know why I love TS, they make sex so much fun again. Often a sea of giggles and laughs as we both reach our climax.
For me it's all about the girl, no matter what's between her legs. Case in point, Hazel Tucker shooting new vids brought me out of a long lurking period on the boards. Don't get me wrong there's some attractive, sexy women in TS porn right now but none of them makes my body react like Hazel does. I'm turned on by her sexy voice, her entire body and not just her 'equipment.'
The same is true for me now with gg's. Again, using porn as an example, I hardly watch any unless a certain girl I like puts out a new scene. Again, it's because of her attitude, looks and genuine sexuality.
So, I look at is as being attracted to women and if you think the lovely ladies who are transitioning aren't women, you're wrong.
I like to think its the erotic difference. First the look is more stimulating. The connection between the sensations of communicating, needing, kissing, touching, and the reality that a different type of LOVE exists and can be established in a long lasting relationship or a single life experience. The sexual side to me is more rewarding. Why do you need three holes ? Feeling a cock pulse in you mouth or up your ass as you look to the beautiful female individual servicing you or the one you are servicing is a totally different life experience.
ED is also a possibility. When you get older it takes more effort to get hard. Ts Women give you that option to engage in sexual adventures without always needing to be on top.
The chances for a man to suffer ED are in line with his age. So at 50, you have 50% chance sufferig from erectyle disfunction. The chemicals on the market may help you get hard, but don't help you to cum. A session with a shemale gives you added creativity in the bedroom.
We like what we like, period. I am attracted to femininity. I love women. (GG & TG) I do like for my t-girls to have cocks and my g-girls to have pussies though. I don't think I could even get hard for a mutilated cock pussy. That just disgusts me. So, by my own definition, I am a bisexual male who likes feminine women, t-girls, femboys, etc. Cock and pussy are both lovely to me, as long as they are attached to a beautiful, feminine human being. And as long as that feminine human being was born with that cock or pussy.
I like the femininity combined with the fact that I can see if that are excited and I can see if I made them cum. Someone with a hard cock sucking someone with a hard cock is great, to say the least.
with me it all started 8 years ago when i was watching real girls on webcam, I was viewing through girl after girls after girls then i was turn on with this sexy from Columbia with a big ass. I was talking to her and telling her to take off her cloth, I tip her and she show her tits she was so beautiful i wanted to see more so i gave her a really big tip to take off her pantie. I was so horny and wanted to see the pussy, she took them off and start jerking her cock for me, dam i was so confuse watching this so i close the page but was still hard so i went back on and jerk off to her and I really enjoy it. from there on i cant stop watching shemale cam.
I never been with one before .. lots of time wanted to quit but after 2 week back it it again. Is there a place to get help?
Exactly! They can't fake being aroused or cumming, that's for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by hoodscoop
As far as "why", "People just like what they like".
I, like most of the posters here, like pretty girls. I like GGs, TGs, both pre and post. I think part of the equation is being comfortable with your role as a sex partner. Who are you, do you even know? What is your preferred role in a sexual relationship? IMO you have to know that in order to know why you do, or don't do certain things.
I know that I like to penetrate attractive women, I like to be a bit dominate in my sexual relationships. This doesn't change based off who I'm with, it's just who I am. I'm not going to submit to a partner, GG or TG. That being said we are all different and all of us should be ourselves and do what we like.
Once you know who you are, it makes it much easier to understand why you so what you do.
Well I can only speak for myself I can't speak for no other man.
1. I am a wild motha fucking freak, to start. My Domme got me into taking dick of a TGirl while she chained me up by my neck to a bed and wrist and had the TGirl come behind me and fuck me in the ass and I loved it. My GG Domme fucked me in the ass all the time with her strapon and I love getting fucked in the ass by a Dominant woman! TGirls who are feminine and what is known as Passable, I like, they carry themselves just like a woman, look like a woman only thing is they have a cock. I have threesums with my GG and TGirl all the time, it's the best fucking on the planet.
2. TGirls have that look to them that freaky erotic twist to them that excites me to want to fuck them and they fuck me, its the different factor.
3. TGirls love men, some top, some don't some bottom some don't or some do both, I prefer one who does both. That excites me, and it never passes the thought of giving up women cause I love nasty freaky ass women who have anal fetishes and are wild in the bedroom and love strapons so for me the two mentally bring an Euphoric essence to my sexual adventures and make them great.
4. Some TGirls are sexier than women! point blank, I have seen some that are so sexy if they bent over and told me to fuck them in the ass I would be to weak to say no because first of all I am to much of a freak and to resist a sexy bad ass TGirl would be hard for me. I tell you what a lot of men who are not into TGirls if she was to bend over and no one is looking they would slide their dick in them and fuck them. I don't know about sucking the dick but they would fuck that ass.
5. I am not into men that look like me, a beautiful feminine TGirl is what I love because they remind me of a woman just with a dick.
6.How did I get from just pussy to pussy and cock of a TGirl? When you are deprived of real nasty fucking and you meet someone who can fuck and are into some wild BDSM, taking your ass and fucking it, etc my mind loves to expand and reach new heights and push the envelope to newer sex possibilities. I got turned out and that was it. I got fucked in the ass by a GG so getting fucked by a sexy TGirl was just the next step over and I loved getting bent over and the TGirl grabbing me by my ass and just ramming me, the dick feels good. With the coaching of a GG on the sidelines just hypes the sex up and I turn into a sexual wild being other than my normal self which I love. I can sit on a strapon dick and ride while I suck a TGirl's dick and it's turning everyone on and I love it.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Gay men love Gay men! Not TGirls. They don't like anything that associates to a woman they are attracted to other men. a TGirl is not gay hence the word itself. People need to know definitions and know how to think before they open their mouths.
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Originally Posted by ChipperBogs
Penis + penis = gay. Anything else is just insecurity talking.
Sexuality/sex has nothing to do with gender... the actual meat speaks for itself.
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Originally Posted by ChipperBogs
According to Ada Black?
Nah. According to logic.
I'm the chick with a dick and I assure you I identify my sex with a man as gay. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Good thing such a thing exist, vaginas are utterly horrifying.
Enjoy the gay porn, made for closeted and confused individuals.
I didn't know I was gay, lol. If you are going to say men who are into ts are gay, it would incorrect. I never met a gay man who actually was intro transgender women. It would be most men are bi. Even this is incorrect. A lot of men who like trans women are turned off by men. A penis on a woman is something different, but it doesn't mean a person only sees the penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdaBlackXXX
It comes down to being attracted to women. Women come in all different shapes and forms. We may all have preferences, but it is that thing about a woman that drives men crazy. It so easy to assume men who like trans are cock hounds, but as I said men are men, men like to have sex. And some men will do anything to get in those panties.
I always chuckle to myself, because if a man enjoyed being pegged does that make him gay? Of course not, there are so many ways to enjoy our sexuality. You enjoy what a person has to offer and each person is different. It is why many labels today don't really fit the traditional ideas of sexual attraction.
That's because they are beautiful girls but with some additional equipment.....lol
Ive never had better sex then when with a Ts..I dont know what it is about them
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Originally Posted by DeadGirl-Productions
So basically, the pair of you are saying that you still identify yourselves as men, not as women? :werd:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdaBlackXXX
Lol @ Ada threatening violence to an anonymous user online. These two just get more classy by the day.
Ada obviously behaves like a man and also must still think she is a man,maybe
A man just in drag?
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Originally Posted by miketaylor912
She and Jamie are soooo confused and contradict themselves all the time, it's hard to take what they say in these types of discussions as informative.
I dunno if it is a function of being with Jamie or if she just attracts like minded people but Ada's words are nearly identical to posts made by Eva and Jamie previously. All I can say is that ugly comes in all shapes both in beauty and attitude. It isn't even a matter of labeling that bothers me...it is the self condemnation and in turn the vilification of all transwomen as gay men that horrifies me. Someone should vote them off the island.
I'd say they are confused because they are women and therefore hormonal but clearly they define themselves as men. I guess Ted was right. In Ted 2, Marky mark looks at third porn and Ted says there is no such thing as chicks with dicks, just men with boobs. Who knew Jamie and Ada would agree with an anthropomorphic bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
What is the answer to the reverse question...why are so many transwomen attracted to straight men?
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Originally Posted by RallyCola
Unintentional or not, this was a brilliantly insightful, hilarious post.lol
THE existential transgender question; are you men with boobs or chicks with dicks??
Obviously Jamie/Ada would cosign a million times with the former opinion.
Well for me the answers is simple. A person born of a particular sex may feel uncomfortable with their assigned gender so they wish to change. Jamie and Ada will always be male regardless of whether or not they have GRS. They can choose if their gender is "man" or "woman" because gender is not solely defined by genetics. From there, the issue becomes does the GRS, the act of cutting it off actually make you a woman or not.
To me to reduce transition to that is ridiculous especially because that means that F2M transmen never can be men since they are not sewing on a cock. M2F transwomen do not have different rules than F2M transmen just because something can be replaced with an orifice.
A Transgender person is simply one that does not accept their birth gender and takes steps to alter it. That is the most basic definition. Those steps start at attire and lifestyle changes and end with permanent body alteration to exhibit anatomical similarities to the chosen gender be it genital or only secondary sex characteristics.
If a transwoman chooses to see her self as a man (not a male) so be it. It undercuts their efforts but I will respect their choice of label no matter how idiotic and pathetic it is.
Who threatened what? Your weak sexuality? It's time to stop lying to yourselves. Come out of the closet. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's just this shit is getting old. Especially the guys that have to rename the human anatomy of a biological male body such as pussy for asshole and clit for cock.
Also love how confused OP had to emphasize STRAIGHT. Ha.
You haven't answered the question though, Ada. Are you a man or a woman?
Who is confusing anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdaBlackXXX
Pussy is an "innie" and gets all moist for me. Cock is an "outie" and my mouth gets moist for it.
Asshole is the tightest part of a woman, the place I like to lick and fuck the most. Every woman I have ever fucked has had a glorious asshole for me to enjoy but only a few have had a cock. In fact.. if you eliminate the women who I have only gone down on...only 2 have I ever only fucked vaginally. I've been fortunate that the rest have liked it up the ass.
I say it loud and proud...for my tongue and dick, I prefer ass over vag...doesn't matter if I have a left handful of clit or cock while in it so long as the girl is hot and has a nice rack for my right hand.