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Ah the typical smattering of intelligent thoughts and feedback along with the idiotic and ill-formed that you've came to expect from HA ... with the ramblings of a lonely lunatic thrown in.
1. I'm not getting into whether you think copyright law works or not. As it is, there is a copyright law. You steal, you get sued.
2. This is part of a multiple strategy against piracy. It's unlikely any of it will actually stamp our piracy until the DMCA laws are changed but we've already had success on some sites, having them stop posting Grooby content and we have taken successful action in the past, in different forms.
3. The original post went out on all Grooby sites two weeks ago to let people know what steps we were going to be taking to protect the content that they pay for.
4. Yes, this is a revenue generating venture as well as to warn people not to download our content. You have a choice, you can either do it - or not do it. There is no in-between. If you are stealing our content, then you have the potential to be sued. I've no interest in playing semantics with you.
5. To the poster, who claimed torrent sites (or tube sites) were good for our sites, as it would help promote them - you obviously do not work in this industry and have no access to the stats whatsoever. Tube/torrent sites have been the death knell for many sites so far. You are correct, 20,000 downloads does not equal 20,000 lost customers but if it only means 1 lost customer, then it is a problem. Furthermore, those 20,000 downloaders made the choice to steal that content for their own usage. Whether they cannot afford it, didn't like it or think it's shit content - is irrelevant.
Whatever your opinions are, I'm sure you all agree that theft is wrong. It's not about what you think of me or my company, it's not about our pricing structures, it's not about how much you think I make and it's not about if you think we're going about it the wrong way.
It is theft, the same as if you walk into a farmers orchard and steal apples from his tree, a few won't hurt - but if everybody does it, then when the farmer takes his apples to market, he cannot sell it - as everyone already has his apples.
Revenue raised from this part of our venture will directly go back into the site payouts so all models, photographers, site owners working with us, will help regain some of the profits that have been lost from piracy over the last few years.
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Originally Posted by Ryz
Yeah, well you should thank the people who have the honesty and ability to do so - because if they didn't pay for it, then what would you be jacking off to? The same recycled content from 10 yrs ago ... and no new models coming up.
ROFL at the jackass.
I concede that I have in the past "stolen" content from Grooby, however this in turn did lead to me subscribing to yum and other sites which i do on rotation each few months as waiting for the best content to hit the net is just not worth it. I'd never however use bittorrent as it's just a horrible horrible way to get content.
I traditionally have a quick look on usenet, see if certain models have sets, and if so, go to the site and download the full set and any associated video's and previous sets.
I realise my actions are rare, but I wanted to let it be known that while I have stolen before, I have repeatedly paid for the content I liked.
More than happy to confirm usernames with steve if required to back up my claims.
As long as there is usenet, theft will continue and there aint anything that can be done about it. However I will continue to pay for any content I am interested in using the same model I have done before.
I almost shuddered when people started responding to her posting, and did shudder when the OP finally came on. This could go on for days now, she is nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Will everyone please just look at the crazy hysterical shit that spews from this poster? She attacks the OP for spending $700,000 a year on model fees and attempting to protect his investment. Now we are talking several sites with 12 month's a year updates, do the math... Then attack him for trying to make a profit after all that. I mean what does this really sound like? The OP gave her one of her first shoots, refuses to shoot her again, end of story.
I loved hearing that someone on the other board dropped the hammer...can we get that here?
Regarding piracy, everyone has a right to protect their investment. As someone who sells affiliate programs, I would love to see the industry get back to the olden days. But the industry does hold some of the blame. About 12-13 years ago one of the founders of the present adult website business model, Danni Ashe, pleaded with her fellow business owners to stop giving free content out, (promo galleries, etc) as it was driving prices down. I honestly believe if there had been some business unity back then alot would be different now. Would it have stopped the little geniuses coming out of college with adult napster ideas in their heads? Probably not, who knows? It was a gold rush back then and very much every man for themselves.
The IPs are listed here:
http://notatypewriter.files.wordpres...6708326036.pdf
I think what's really sad is that so many people gave her a chance, and in one way or another she's burned each bridge. Generally, I don't like seeing people get the ban hammer, but she's proven herself to be treacherous at each and every opportunity. Much like "Michelle Sabrina" being doted on by HD's original mods, I think permitting her to stay here and behave this way is a form of enabling a sociopath.Quote:
Originally Posted by shemale-411
Not sure if I'm the lonely lunatic or not, but anyway, thanks for a refreshingly honest post.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I agree. Can't argue with that at all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Originally Posted by seanchai
I don't think anyone is ever going to be able to stamp out piracy, that has both good and bad repurcussions that aren't all about the money. I see no problem in you trying to safeguard your business at all and definitely think that sites operating with piracy as a business model (hosting stolen content as their own etc etc) need to have action taken against them and completely support you in that. What are you doing other than suing individual filesharers though?
Glad you're willing to admit this is a revenue generating venture. I don't think there's any other reason to go after individual filesharers at all. It's certainly not going to have any effect on piracy, either as a deterrent to download (other than for those sued and maybe a handful of others) or as a way of reducing the amount of pirated content available.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I'm sure tube sites have a far bigger impact than any torrent filesharers, why aren't you taking on the sites themselves with the same amount of aggression? I really don't think the people you're hoping to sue account for any lost revenue at all. I know that doesn't really matter to you as they're still on the wrong side of the law, and I completely understand that you have to do something, anything. But I'd really like to know what kind "stats" you're going on to prove that torrenting has "been the death knell for many sites". Shemale porn is a niche that really can't be properly catered for from torrent networks (even in Exhibit A for your court case there's only maybe 10 different files mentioned that have been shared, surely not even a couple percent of your available catalogue). I can't help but strongly believe the defendants took those files simply because they were there, 'free' and available, NOT as an alternative to subscribing to Yum. If they wanted access to the type and amount of content on Yum then they'd happily pay for it, there's no comparrison between the 10000s of files available from a subscription and the meager handful of randomness available via filesharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I don't think a single one of those defendants can seriously be classed as lost revenue. I know, that's irrelevant semantics to you and immaterial because no matter the outcome they stole your copy protected content. I can't really argue with that at all, but I just feel as if you're trying to do something to stop piracy and protect your site, without actually doing anything to stop piracy or protect your site.
Going on with the famer and his apples analogy; You're making mistakes by assuming a few things:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
1. That everyone can get to every apple on every tree for free. In reality they can only grab the odd few apples that hang out over the wall.
2. That everyone wants to buy your apples. Just because they take them for free does not mean they'd be willing to buy them. Suddenly find a way to force them to pay for every apple they take and they'll just walk down the road to were apples grow at the side of the road for free and take whatever they want. Your apples don't get stolen anymore, but you don't sell anymore than you did before either.
3. That people who managed to get a couple of apples for free one day didn't get a taste for your particularly juicy breed of apples and want more. They liked those apples so much that they couldn't stand only getting the ones that dropped over the wall, so they keep coming back to you to buy more apples.
4. You think that people aren't buying your apples at market because they've taken enough from the overhanging branches and don't want more of the same. Actually they never managed to get many apples themselves at all. Instead another farmer keeps walking into your orchard, takes as many apples as he wants sets up a stall right next to yours and gives those apples away for free in wrappers with adverts on. He gets paid everytime someone opens a wrapper to eat an apple. You see this and do nothing about it becuase he's bigger than you and has a gun. As soon as someone unwraps the apple you accuse them of stealing money AND apples from you. You threaten to take them to court unless they pay for a years worth of apples.
That's great and actually pretty straight-up of you. So every model featured in any of the content listed in Exhibit A will be getting a fresh cheque. Girls start looking for new shoes, those settlements are normally outrageously large!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I think he's referring to Bella aka She Guevara, now also known as "~LL~". lolQuote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
Ah ha, I wondered why I'd be a lunatic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
I am lonely though ;_;
I don't think it is but in the long run this keeps us safe from child predators and thieves so I don't see anything wrong with giving a little of my privacy so that others are safe. It's a fair trade in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Nothing wrong with your way of thinking - we just have different opinions that is all.
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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY
Recording a television program for your personal use does not violate IP laws, when you start selling that tape or having public showings where you charge money for tickets and making merchandise is. There is nothing wrong with recording anything for your own personal use.
Why would you have an issue with Widows and the family of an author benefiting from what is rightfully theirs through the death of the IP owner? 70 years after death or 120 if it was work for hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYBURBS
oh my this got messy fast!
Just curious. Who banned Bella?
Personally, I can't see her quasi-socialist rambling going over well with the good ol' boys club on Vicki's knock-off HD forum.
Are we talking about legal download or braking and entering here?Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
Not true, saturation makes something undesirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
We already do that - it's called affiliate pages. we release tons of free content so to lure people in.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
Surely we are not expected to do this for free??? LOL Ridiculous argument.
That is all we want. People to pay for fair use. Just because one is hiding behind a computer screen doesn't make it legal or right.
That is all we want. People to pay for fair use. Just because one is hiding behind a computer screen doesn't make it legal or right.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
That is not what is going to happen. First they will send a letter, a warning for say. If you continue to do it... well... there are consequences to being a scum!Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING ! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD!Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
I need to get payed, I need to get through school! In other words, there are girls who do this because they have no other choice, or feel as if they have no other choice.
You like porn right? You like to pleasure yourself? Then pay for it and we can continue to produce it - if you don't - you won't get any!
Ya, wanna go grab a bite to eat?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshyneMonroe
So the solicitors who are representing Grooby have nothing to bring to the discussion because they're not shemale porn stars with websites owned by the company they're representing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
Or is someone expressing 'theory and opinion' what these boards are actually for?
Bella Belugosi.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
From HD? I did, I've no reason to give a forum or a soapbox to someone who owns sites in which she spreads her mad theories and so-called propaganda against me or my company. She's completely irrelevant and it's sad to see a handful of people buy into her, compared to the majority who just see her as the sad clown she is. She's entitled to her freedom of speech but I'm not going to help her with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
We have a fail safe for situations like this. IF you did get an intention to sue, it would have a specific note for members. I don't want to get into the specifics of the notice but we have thought of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor_Troy05
You lost the beard? Looks good.
Absolutely. I made this argument too. If I hear a song on the radio, which is free, and I like it, then I'll shoot along to Amazon and download it; usually I'll get the whole album. But if I hadn't heard that song on the radio, and didn't even know that it had been recorded, then I wouldn't have bought that album on Amazon. By analogy then, I argue that it's simply not true to say that one free viewing of a porn scene on the internet equates inevitably to one lost subscription fee from the website that originally filmed the scene. Record companies and artists both want their product to be on radio playlists, because they know that this leads to an increase in revenue, since people are actually more likely to buy a new album (i.e. spend money on their product) after hearing a track from the album on the radio (which is free). I suggest that it's the same, at least to some extent, with tranny porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
Sure where u wanna go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faldur
This is going to be a bit messy, replying to replies of quotes, argh. The boards quote function couldn't cope so I just copied everything unformatted to a text editor.
Originally Posted by deepthroater
What damage exactly? If someone downloads one of your sets it does not mean you have lost money. If 2000 people download your photos it does not mean you have lost the income from 2000 potential subscribers. A download does not equal a lost sale!
DF: Are we talking about legal download or braking and entering here?
I'm talking about individuals and pirated downloads from P2P/Usenet etc.
Originally Posted by deepthroater
In the vast majority of cases you won't have lost any money at all, in fact you'll have attracted many more potential subscribers, as long as your content is of sufficient quality or fills a missing niche.
DF: Not true, saturation makes something undesirable.
Where is the saturation? You're acting as if every photo & movie you've ever been in has been stolen, neatly organised and conveniently placed in a folder by a villainous group of pirates and passed around everyone on the internet with the ease of one-click-sharing. That's just not happening, my whole point is that there's so little tgirl porn (I'm still grouping you in with tgirl stuff, idk why I'm worried that might offend you. If it does then soz, not intentional) available from filesharing piracy that it simply isn't a viable alternative to legally subscribing to pay sites.
People don't download a torrent with a couple video clips and a couple photo sets from a site and think, "Woohoo! I was going to pay to join that site, but why bother when I can see 0.5% on here for free?!". If someone is willing to subscribe to a site then they'll subscribe, so they can have 100% of the sites content. If they're not willing or able to subscribe then they're not going to subscribe, the fact that they looked at some of your content that was pirated isn't anywhere close to being what influenced them to not pay you for a subscription and you can't assume that a pirated download is a loss of a subscription. So, some people subscribe and some don't, either way it's not influenced by filesharing piracy. And if filesharing piracy isn't affecting subscriptions, which it's not, then you're not losing money and you're not losing potential money.
Originally Posted by deepthroater View Post
I'd actually suggest you experiment and shoot a set that you'll solely release on P2P via torrent sites. Release it (anonymously) and I gaurantee you'll see an increase in site visitors and completed subscribers. Go a stage further and do some A/B testing, using a different url watermark on the photos so you can track visitors coming directly from typing in the url they see.
DF: We already do that - it's called affiliate pages. we release tons of free content so to lure people in. Surely we are not expected to do this for free??? LOL Ridiculous argument.
Oh yeah, affiliate pages and ads, the utter bowels of the internet. So you're happy to give away not just content but actual cold hard cash to affiliates introducing people to your work. Yet if someone is introduced to your work for free, meaning that affiliate commission stays in your account, you're aghast and want them sued for stealing from you. I'm pretty sure grooby has inadvertently and unknowingly made more money from people being introduced to their content via filesharing who later convert to paying subscribers once their circumstances change, than they've lost via "filesharing copyright theft".
If you're actually getting significant new subscribers completing the sign-up from an affiliate landing page then stop and ask yourself why? All the affiliate does is distribute and publicize your content, he doesn't make it better or enhance the product in any way. He's literally just showing your content to people, people who without doubt are actively looking for your niche anyway and in doing so are highly likely to convert into paying subscribers. The affiliate just manages to get to them first, either making them think his landing page is actually your site, or just direct linking straight to your own landing page, either way it's your content that convinces people to subscribe, not any affiliate hoodoo (no matter what they say!). People who want to subscribe will subscribe!
So yeah, why not skip paying a few affiliates their referral and distribute material yourself. Seriously, try it. Shoot a model or a set, don't put it on the site, don't give it to affiliates, upload it as a torrent with a specific url watermark that you can trace as solely originating from that set.
Anyway, quite apart from all that crap: You're not seeing this properly. Piracy is never going away, in fact it's the new digital delivery model. Not so much the piracy/theft aspect of it, but the consumers sharing with/to consumers, without restriction and without the need for distribution and management by companies or agencies. Want to understand what that means to you? Probably at least a 90% reduction in your hosting and bandwidth fees.
Piracy isn't costing you money, stop saying it is. If it's not costing you money then it's not a negative, start looking at how to use it as a tool. You're never going to 'beat' piracy as it stands in this moment.
Originally Posted by deepthroater View Post
I'm not being greedy at all. I'm not trying to make money from anyone here under the guise of combating piracy. I subscribe to pay sites.
DF: That is all we want. People to pay for fair use. Just because one is hiding behind a computer screen doesn't make it legal or right.
Listen I'm not trying to say filesharing copy protected content is right or legal. I'm not saying that at all. It's illegal by the definition of the law and I'm not arguing against that. What I am trying really hard to say is all this talk like "piracy is costing me money" etc etc is complete rubbish. It's not costing you money at all. (and by piracy I mean the individual filesharers targeted by this proposed lawsuit, not clone sites or tube sites that are run for profit and making their own money from your content. But as none of those sites seem to be related in any way to this case I think that whole aspect is irrelevant)
Originally Posted by deepthroater View Post
All I'm trying to explain is that if you want to combat piracy, great. If you want to root out the causes of piracy and act on the torrent sharing sites then that is admirable. Extorting money out of people is wrong.
DF: That is not what is going to happen. First they will send a letter, a warning for say. If you continue to do it... well... there are consequences to being a scum!
No actually that's exactly what's going to happen. No warning letter, no "Hey, stop that!". Just straight in with the lawsuit as soon as they get the details from the ISP. Why? Because it's not about stopping piracy, it's just about making money.
Originally Posted by deepthroater View Post
You have to get out of the mindset that just because someone downloaded something it means you've lost money. Whether the file was there or not, if they wanted to subscribe they would have.
DF: THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING ! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD!
No that's exactly what you're saying. You're harping on about money, getting paid for your content etc etc You're saying that these filesharers owe you money because they effectively withheld giving you their custom, therefore you lost money. Your whole argument is that you've lost money because if they hadn't downloaded the pirated content they'd be subscribing to your site and paying you money to see that same content. So yeah, that's exactly what you're saying(Also, on a side note, I don't think my head is particularly thick actually, certainly no more than average. But I do have a thick co.....never mind, probably not the best time to bring that up)
DF: I need to get payed, I need to get through school! In other words, there are girls who do this because they have no other choice, or feel as if they have no other choice.
Yes, everyone wants more money. But you're literally demanding cash by creating an entitlement to something that never existed and is intangible. You can't suddenly decide to demand payment from someone on the basis that they took away the potential possibility of choosing to subscribe to your site at some time in the future. It's ridiculous. Once again and for the last time, yes what they did was wrong, yes it's illegal but NO you haven't lost any money because of them and they certainly shouldn't be sued for whatever the inevitably ridiculous amount will be. Everyone is freaking out about piracy as if it's killing people, leaving photographers and trannys starving in the streets.
DF: You like porn right? You like to pleasure yourself? Then pay for it and we can continue to produce it - if you don't - you won't get any!
Srsly, I subscribe to pay sites.
When you hear a song in the radio you don't know when you will hear it again, you buy the song so you can hear it when you want it, at your discretion. Radio stations don't give you the time they will play it and usually unless you are a big station, have to pay royalties to the artist because radio stations unlike News Stations make money off their advertisements and endorsements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
When you see a free scene on the internet there is an address you can go to whenever you want to view it and get off.
I used to have a cock, don't need but one minute of something looped to get off.
You guys are never satisfied, do you read what you say? What is said in the web boards? You complain about small things like pubic hair and if a girl's boob is slightly misshaped.
We give you an arm and you want a leg, we give you the leg and you want a foot. Do you not see this at all, anyone else see this beside me?
In any case, there is a handful of you that are arguing this. But the rest of you could care less, you just pay for your stuff, jack off to it and go on about your day, so it isn't to my surprise that you are complaining about someone protecting his rights.
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Originally Posted by deepthroater
It's like talking to a brick wall
I'll quickly answer some of your points as I'm not going to get drawn into the rights/wrongs too much. Basically, you are right, my attitude is that you steal (by choice) then you are a target. Whether these individuals would have became members/buyers if there wasn't stolen content sites, we'll never know - but they made that choice. Adult website sales (not just ours) have grown stagnant or dropped when tube sites and file sharing sites became rampant and worse so, when people could make money by stealing and posting our content - nobody is arguing on these facts, the same as the record industry has dropped because of the same issues.
Those were just a number of recent files we selected, every week our whole sites updates are ripped off and stolen - so it's not just a small sampling of our catalogue.
We're going after bit torrent users in this initiative. Tube sites are protected by the DMCA safe harbour and we personally, don't have the capital to begin those sorts of legal cases yet, unless we can prove the owners upload that content.
Not when people have removed the walls and the gates and give access to all the apples for $1.Quote:
Going on with the famer and his apples analogy; You're making mistakes by assuming a few things:
1. That everyone can get to every apple on every tree for free. In reality they can only grab the odd few apples that hang out over the wall.
There are no more of this type of apple. You can walk down the avenue and get a different apple but I've created these apples. You can choose to walk away and get different ones for free, or buy my specific apples. Whether they're willing to buy them or not is irrelevant.Quote:
2. That everyone wants to buy your apples. Just because they take them for free does not mean they'd be willing to buy them. Suddenly find a way to force them to pay for every apple they take and they'll just walk down the road to were apples grow at the side of the road for free and take whatever they want. Your apples don't get stolen anymore, but you don't sell anymore than you did before either.
Anybody who comes to my front gate or to my friends stores in town, can get free apples which I give out from each season and each tree. I have to regulate how many apples I give out but more than enough to enjoy a good taste. I have free apples at http://www.tgirls.com and on this site.Quote:
3. That people who managed to get a couple of apples for free one day didn't get a taste for your particularly juicy breed of apples and want more. They liked those apples so much that they couldn't stand only getting the ones that dropped over the wall, so they keep coming back to you to buy more apples.
Ah, but that farmer has a sign up which says, these are farmer Steven's stolen apples but I don't care because I have a gun. You can have them for free but you do know, that they are stolen.Quote:
4. You think that people aren't buying your apples at market because they've taken enough from the overhanging branches and don't want more of the same. Actually they never managed to get many apples themselves at all. Instead another farmer keeps walking into your orchard, takes as many apples as he wants sets up a stall right next to yours and gives those apples away for free in wrappers with adverts on. He gets paid everytime someone opens a wrapper to eat an apple. You see this and do nothing about it becuase he's bigger than you and has a gun. As soon as someone unwraps the apple you accuse them of stealing money AND apples from you. You threaten to take them to court unless they pay for a years worth of apples.
So fuck those people - they took their choice. It is no different from buying a stolen car from a thief, you are enabling that thief.
That's not what I said. Anyone who is a partner in those sites where we are suing on, will get their split from any revenues. The settlements we're asking for are fairly small, in comparison.Quote:
That's great and actually pretty straight-up of you. So every model featured in any of the content listed in Exhibit A will be getting a fresh cheque. Girls start looking for new shoes, those settlements are normally outrageously large!
This is the last time I'll answer your questions as I'm not here to debate the issue and I've been pretty open about it all.
Blah, blah, blah. You're as crazy and biased against me as Nicole, and you waited until the OP came on to talk, so now you're also a coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by shemale-411
... and then I read this which pretty much seals it for me:
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but people should also consider the source of their 'information.' I've been 'permitted' to stay here because my opinion is as valid as anyone elses. You just don't like it. Well boo hoo for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre
Ditto. I'm a lunatic? You're the one that does a lousy job with first time models and then blames them when the shoots turn out bad. In my case, you even accused me of 'heavily' photoshopping which everyone knows I don't do. Then you banned me on HD, not because I broke the rules, but because you don't like things I've said. Well, that feeling's obviously mutual. You're a sorry, sorry man with an ego the size of Texas and a bully complex. Who can believe a word you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
A handful of people? You mean anyone you can't buy off? That's actually a pretty large group and growing everyday. Frankly I think it's funny how much time and money you throw at maintaining your dominance because you obviously know how fragile it is. Enjoy going broke to defend your 'empire.' Apparently you learned nothing from the politics of the Iraq War because you're making the same mistake. More power to you. :fu:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
~BB~
The most enlightened comment yet. Thank you Danielle. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trans-Promo
~BB~
" But you're literally demanding cash by creating an entitlement to something that never existed and is intangible."
§ 101. Definitions2 http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#101
(a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories:
(1) literary works;
(2) musical works, including any accompanying words;
(3) dramatic works, including any accompanying music;
(4) pantomimes and choreographic works;
(5) pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works;
(6) motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
(7) sound recordings; and
( 8 ) architectural works.
I know a great Italian joint in Bothell, authentic.. really cozy. Seeing how breakfast has past, we can do lunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshyneMonroe
This can make a good scene:
Tranny knocks on door of geeky downloader and enters the his residence to punish him for downloading her work!
Now, who will be the first company to film this theme?
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
YouTube- Holy Grail - Killer Bunny
~BB~
We cannot forget what America is founded on after all. We give a little so that everyone gets a fair share. At least that is how it should work anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Take North Korea for instance - they have no freedom or privacy at all. They have no choice as to watching porn or not - THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
Our PRIVILEGE of choice is based on everyone pitching in equally - it is unwise to think anyone will comply with the constitution, however it is also unwise for them to think there aren't consequences for their actions.
We must make examples, create fear and warn those who harm us. We must take legal action against those who break the law so that we can make better laws, so that we grow not only as business people but as humans as well.
Stealing is one humanity's oldest sins - it is immoral as immoral gets. You are taking from another to benefit yourself - and your selfish secretive escapades.
We must protect our business as our rights as artists so that we can continue to produce.
I do this as a business but I do it because I like to do it - all drama aside - which is a lot to handle at times, we all do it because we love to, and we make money off of it.
I got into adult work for many reasons, and I have been in the business since before the internet, as a boy... so that is quite a while. When we actually send in out pictures to Newspapers and magazines to place ads.
My reasons are very basic:
1- I am an exhibitionist
2- I like the attention
3- Easy money that allows me to focus on transition and getting a better education
4- It feeds every actor's psychological need of being loved and cared for.
I would do it for free if you all payed my bills, but above all this is my job.
Danielle, I'm sure I've come across as confusing throughout this thread and my rambling replies. I do actually support the fight against piracy, especially sites that just blatantly host stolen content for their own profit at the expense of the originators.
I just feel quite strongly that suing casual filesharers for dissproportionate amounts of money under the guise of anti-piracy while ignoring the people actually responsible for depleting revenue is not going to solve anything.
Sorry if I've somehow added to your problems and reinforced a belief that no-one gives a shit.
It's not considered a violation of intellectual property rights now, but at the time it was frowned upon. I already said that in my opinion artists should be credited and paid but that's not to be elevated above guaranteed popular rights. You seem to think I believe that artists should make things for everyone to have free of charge but that's not what I'm saying at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trans-Promo
The only way you can stop copyright infringement is to end all private correspondence and that's not fair either. I'm suggesting that people try to meet these challenges in innovative ways instead of suing people which doesn't seem to work very well anyway.
There might be ways to capitalize off free distribution. For example, there are torrent sites that distribute copyright material, and these sites generate revenue but there's not a system for them to easily share that revenue directly with the artists.
Until then people should probably use irc to avoid being sued I guess.
Not at all darling,Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
I always say this: There are people on this earth who just populate, kinda like an ant farm. There are also those who have a higher understanding of life and their own existence, no matter how small or big their action is, they know there is always someone on the other end.
I come across a lot of assholes while in my public persona, however I know many many more personally, people who actually give a shit, not only for their own selfish needs ( that is human ) but for others as well.
At the end I have a higher existence because I give a shit and I don't internalize other's problems.
Not that this has anything to do with what this thread is about but I do care about your misguided understanding of me as a person.
No worries, I don't think I have anything to debate anyway. (Plus I can no longer read or write any analogies about apples without breaking into laughter). I do actually agree with you and if I was in your position I'd probably be doing the same. It sucks that it's the 'little guys' getting the punishment rather than the scrapers and cloners, but you're right they knew what they were doing and have no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I've got to say, I'm pretty impressed at how straight to the point and no bullshit you've been in discussing everything. I think you may have even talked me onto your side, maybe. I'm glad you called it like it is and didn't just try to spout talking points that the defendants have actively and specifically cost you money that you're just trying to recoup.
I admit I underestimated your problems and thought you were just jumping on the anti-piracy band wagon to try and make some easy cash. Thanks for sharing the other side of the story.
Gee. Even I never thought it was about that. Lawsuits against individuals are losing propositions financially, even if you win. If they're serious about stopping piracy they need to 'nut up or shut up.' Go after the guy enabling the illegal downloads, not the fans who will now never buy a Grooby product after being sued.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepthroater
Grooby = Metallica, not only for attacking its own fans, but because Shemale Yum started pretty much right after Steven's own personal foray into content piracy on newsgroups, by his own admission. Metallica gained popularity after its fans were taping its live shows and spreading the word around - perhaps one of the earliest forms of viral marketing.
And of course Steven is the guy who first insensitively used the word 'shemale' for his own selfish internet marketing purposes, then later explained that he didn't know better. Well I'm sorry, but not even considering the feelings of his models or doing any kind of research on their lifestyles is a pretty good indicator of exploitation to me.
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Oh drop it already - you are so bitter - Steven Steven StevenQuote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci