Mitt Romney -- whaddaya think???

Mitt Romney slipping up.... (Now, Mitt is the moderate in the race. But if you go all the way back to 2000, well, George Bush's platform was to the left of Romney's. Bush talked about a humble foreign policy and compassionate conservatism. This is how far right the Republicans have gotten as a party. Well, they have to appeal to their base. Who are their base? Well, fundamentalist Christians. So, Romney has to placate that base by changing/altering his positions to satisfy fundamentalist Christians.... So, ya gotta be anti gay, anti abortion etc., etc.)

The George Bush You Forgot - YouTube

Mitt Romney Likes Firing People - YouTube

Romney's Bain Capital comes under fire - YouTube

Winning Our Future | King of Bain "When Mitt Romney Came To Town" [Trailer] - YouTube

From Rupert Murdoch's New York Post....
Romney's past is more a working class zero:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...PIb0bbNn1ZkgaJ

LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT by Mitt Romney:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html

And Thomas Frank:

Republicans Didn't Learn Lessons of Past - YouTube

He's got the best dogone hair of all the rest.

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He's got the best dogone hair of all the rest.

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The so-called contest should be decided on: who has the best hair and strongest hairline... :)

Thought and Republican are not words that sit comfortably together. Their appeal goes beneath thought to some of the most basic and vile prejudices. That's their USP. It is also why maybe the rump of the party will not happily want a Mormon as their leader.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Thought and Republican are not words that sit comfortably together. Their appeal goes beneath thought to some of the most basic and vile prejudices. That's their USP. It is also why maybe the rump of the party will not happily want a Mormon as their leader.

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You forgot "it's Bush's fault"..

If you're talking about the economic collapse you're correct, that's all Bush's fault. If you mean the slowness of the recovery, that's the fault of the GOP obstructionists.

Indeed Bush's fault - but also others before him who helped de-regulate the banks and financial institutions.

So Faldur and your ilk - can you offer an articulate argument in favour of Rick Santorum's ideas - ie a ban on abortion in all cases (including rape), on contraception, a total outlawing of homosexuality. Let's hear how these make sense in our modern world (or are the GOP and the Taliban now in accord on social policy).

Santorum's positions on social issues are surely for electoral support, in practical terms a President cannot change policy just because he doesn't like it. Changing the law on civil partnerships, abortion, and homosexuality would have to be part of the legislative process in Congress, so I don't see how easy it can be for a President to get these changes unless I suppose there is an overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and Senate who railroad new legislation through, AND a compliant Supreme Court which does not reject as unconstitutional the new laws when they are taken to apppeal. My understanding is that States can impose their own rules on law, for example I believe some states make abortion easier than others, just as some states allow civil partnerships and others do not, but at some point a citizen has the right to appeal to the State and the Federal Supreme Courts, so that real change takes time. I don't have a perfect understanding of the way the American system works, but the powers of the President are, I think, exaggerated on these issues.

You are right Stavros - but I was seeking to find out from American right wingers here their view on this clutch of ideas. I wonder how they square these with their membership of a forum about what Santorum and a very wide swathe of far right folk would consider deeply deviant sexuality.

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Santorum's positions on social issues are surely for electoral support, in practical terms a President cannot change policy just because he doesn't like it. Changing the law on civil partnerships, abortion, and homosexuality would have to be part of the legislative process in Congress, so I don't see how easy it can be for a President to get these changes unless I suppose there is an overwhelming majority of Republicans in the House and Senate who railroad new legislation through, AND a compliant Supreme Court which does not reject as unconstitutional the new laws when they are taken to apppeal. My understanding is that States can impose their own rules on law, for example I believe some states make abortion easier than others, just as some states allow civil partnerships and others do not, but at some point a citizen has the right to appeal to the State and the Federal Supreme Courts, so that real change takes time. I don't have a perfect understanding of the way the American system works, but the powers of the President are, I think, exaggerated on these issues.

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Federal law trumps state laws. But yeah I do believe most of the time the GOP guys are simply appealing to there base. Even when Bush got in office abortion number's were the same. They would probably start another war and keep taxes low for the rich. :)

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You are right Stavros - but I was seeking to find out from American right wingers here their view on this clutch of ideas.

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We believe that every sperm is sacred. That's why we worship fountains of hot steaming cum spewed high into the air over tits, over asses, over open mouths and reaching tongues. Each wiggling spermatozoa is a potential, nay an actual, human life. Half a set of chromosomes is sufficient information to construct a full human being. Each sperm alone is a gift from god (oops God), as is each egg. You realize Jesus himself was born of a virgin via Divinely induced parthenogenesis; i.e. He had one set of chromosomes, not two. It also means He was really a She. And that's precisely why we conservative fundamentalist AMERICANS just adore transgenders of all persuasions just as much as we love and adore Jesus (we just wish He was less of a limp wrist and more a man).

Oh, almost forgot...here's some more relevant humor. I love what Gail says about Romney ->
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/op...ry-primer.html

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And that's precisely why we conservative fundamentalist AMERICANS just adore transgenders of all persuasions just as much as we love and adore Jesus (we just wish He was less of a limp wrist and more a man).

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speaking of which what type of transsexual is ok with homophobes? im mean those with the pretty typical gays are icky but lesbians are a-ok views
from that perspective are mtfs icky cause theyre genetically male or are they ok cause theyre girls and is a gg having sex with a ftm transsexual man supremely hot cause genetically its 2 females having sex?
im confused

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...what type of transsexual is ok with homophobes?

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The kind that pass and are still undiscovered. (I'm joking of course. You can scratch the "and are still undiscovered" and the statement will remain true of a large number of homophobes. Indeed there are quite a few gay homophobes who adore transgender women because the female secondary sexual characteristics, cosmetics, clothing etc. reduce the sexual dissonance of the admirer's own confusion. This is NOT a general remark applying all admirers by any means. Of course this site as already seen endless discussions on that topic. So I'll just stick to making jokes.)

ah right i forgot about a lot of homophobes being in the closet
what about those who arent though?

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So Faldur and your ilk - can you offer an articulate argument in favour of Rick Santorum's ideas - ie a ban on abortion in all cases (including rape), on contraception, a total outlawing of homosexuality. Let's hear how these make sense in our modern world (or are the GOP and the Taliban now in accord on social policy).

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Well I'm not sure what "ilk" I belong to, but would happy to give you my opinion.

1) Ban on abortion: I disagree, personal belief I would love to see the number of abortions come way down. But I believe in changing minds, not laws. Do you realize abortions kill more Democrats than Republicans?

2) Banning contraception: completely insane, nuff said.

3) Outlawing homosexuality: Again this is insane, I may have an opinion on same sex marriage although not something I wish to impose on anyone else. Its my opinion.

Know thats not going to help you much, but Rick has never been anyone I have considered a viable candidate.

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Well I'm not sure what "ilk" I belong to, but would happy to give you my opinion.

1) Ban on abortion: I disagree, personal belief I would love to see the number of abortions come way down. But I believe in changing minds, not laws. Do you realize abortions kill more Democrats than Republicans?

2) Banning contraception: completely insane, nuff said.

3) Outlawing homosexuality: Again this is insane, I may have an opinion on same sex marriage although not something I wish to impose on anyone else. Its my opinion.

Know thats not going to help you much, but Rick has never been anyone I have considered a viable candidate.

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Why can't the GOP think like you? Rationally lol.

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If you're talking about the economic collapse you're correct, that's all Bush's fault. If you mean the slowness of the recovery, that's the fault of the GOP obstructionists.

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Beware of the Zombies....they're alive and well on here...


2 years ( that's 730 days) with total control of the executive and legislative branches, Republicans couldn't stop a thing...and your guys failed, and failed miserably...... so much so the electorate tossed them out on their asses....They failed, and so did your post.

If you mean meaningful health care is now available to more Americans than ever before, then Obama is to blame.

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So Faldur and your ilk - can you offer an articulate argument in favour of Rick Santorum's ideas - ie a ban on abortion in all cases (including rape), on contraception, a total outlawing of homosexuality. Let's hear how these make sense in our modern world (or are the GOP and the Taliban now in accord on social policy).

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I can make a case for anything.....
the question is can you open your mind even a sliver to understand ( not agree) it?

I'm not of Santorum's ilk, but I understand his position on abortion. He believes that every life is sacred, as do many....if not a majority of Americans. Even a life conceived in rape. He follows his Catholicism teachings literally, as opposed to say Catholics like Mario Como and John Kerry who professed and practiced thier Catholic faith, but carefully mitigated it by saying they wouldn't let thier religious beliefs interfere with political beliefs. Some wonder how that could be. You either believe life is sacred, or you don't....where's the gray area in that? Either you have a set of deep beliefs or you don't. Liberal Christians like Cuomo always told us "I believe there are too many abortions" but did nothing politically to bolster that point of view. It was a throw away line. In fact they did the opposite. Let's say there was 500,000 abortions in the US last year. Santorum might offer this....at some point in time, one has to start asking what does that say about us as a nation whose founders forged the country on a belief in god.

Why don't you listen to Santorum in his own words explain the realities of what you refer to as a "modern" world.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/video/...on-on-abortion

As far as the rest of his social conservatism....I'm not one, so I can't speak to it.

Basing law on what is Sacred breeches the separation of religion and state. That life is Sacred cannot be cited as a justification for any law.

Gingrich and Perry attack Wall St. -- what?!?!?!?

Rush, Fox News Rip Gingrich Over Romney Bain Capital Attacks - YouTube

Mitt Romney: Don't Talk About Income Inequality In Front of the Peasants - YouTube

Romney and the pathology of Bain:

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/13/romn...ain/singleton/

Coming on 3 years this president can't bother himself to produce a budget for the country. Have we really reached the point where the president just sheepishly asks for "another $1.2 trillion", after adding more than $5 trillion to our countries debt in 3 years. How about getting off your ass and putting together a budget that will provide a guideline for spending over the next year Potus?

Newt correctly defines Mitt as a moderate.

Newt Gingrich blasts Romney with personal attacks - YouTube

As Newt's ad clearly states: private equity leaders gettin' rich at the expense of American workers. Why is Newt Gingrich waging class warfare? I don't understand.

Gingrich "King of Bain" ad 2012 - YouTube

Again, is Newt merely envious of Mitt's ultra richness? I don't understand why Newt is wickedly waging this class warfare. What's Newt's problem?

Newt Gingrich Isn't Backing Off Attacking Romney On Bain: Political Buzz 1.12 - YouTube

The Shadowy World of Private Equity - YouTube

Santorum pushed Romney's shit in up past his lungs and really worked him over for a few minutes tonight.

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...icjq.St.55.jpg

Actually Santorum just packed his own shit in on top of Romney's. It was pretty disgusting. Almost made me vomit. They should get a room. :)

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Actually Santorum just packed his own shit in on top of Romney's. It was pretty disgusting. Almost made me vomit. They should get a room. :)

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I stand by my words. Pretty accurate and a darn good headline. What you said is called Turd Rubbing.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=Turd%20Rubber

Mitt Romney Stashing Millions In Offshore Banks - YouTube

Papantonio: Romney The King of Government Bailouts - YouTube

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Mitt Romney Stashing Millions In Offshore Banks - YouTube

Papantonio: Romney The King of Government Bailouts - YouTube

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you see what you're doing here Ben? You're the one who's constantly whining about both parties not addressing issues that are fundamental to everyday people, and here you are getting sucked in by a left wing media who does this constantly. It's sorta like a dog chasing it's tail. Tomorrow you'll be back to whining about both parties, but today...you busy feeding off the bottom, and getting email alerts from your far left websites. Since when did it become a crime to in this country to become wealthy? When did that occur because when I grew up, rich people were admired and aspired. You act as if it's illegal ( and of course that's the inference) that Romney has money in a trust in the Caymans. I saw the crawl on the bottom of the screen tonight on MSNBC "Romney's money in the Caymans" ....hint, hint ..that's where cartels dump all their cash. From what I understand he's paying the same rate as if it was in bank of America.... Shit man....we have at least 6 folks that I can recall the were either nominated, or withdrew their nominations to the Obama Administration because of Tax evasion. Where the fuck were you when Kathleen Sebilius suddenly discovered that her tax returns for the previous 3 years were in error ? not to worry...a quick check to the IRS resolved all that, and she was on her way to confirmation, same with Geitner. How can the head of the NY Fed fuck up his turbo tax forms? Memo to Ben....Google that and see what you come up with. It's laughable....and here you are busting on Romney for putting his money in perfectly legitimate places. Where were you, Noam Chomsky and Brian Ross when Obama was getting sweetheart land deals in Chicago from now imprisoned Tony Resko? Where was all the YouTube lectures from your left wing friends on that? Where were you when John Kerry was moving his Yacht to nearby Rhode Island to avoid the Mass tax levy?? You fuckers are so hypocritical it makes me sick. There isn't a whiff that anything Romney did, or is doing is illegal, evasive, or immoral. You're a bottom feeder just like the rest of them Ben, and stop giving me this bilge about being even handed.....I don't give a rat's ass about who you do or don't support, or why, that's your choice...just be honest about it.

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...when I grew up, rich people were admired...

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Rich people like Thurston Howell III?

Wealth is fine. Being wealthy is great.

Not knowing the value of 374 grand to the ordinary American family is fine too. But it's not the kind of ignorance we look for in our candidates for the Presidency.

It's all a conspiracy, newly appointed Director of OMB former CEO of .. (cue scary music).. Bain Capitol. I say Bush is behind it.

Romney...uses our roads & bridges but won't pay - YouTube

David Stockman, Reagan's Budget Director, and Bill Moyers talk about crony capitalism -- and, too, how Obama simply serves the banking sector....
I mean, how corrupt is the political and economic system -- ha ha!

Bill Moyers and David Stockman discuss crony capitalism embedded in Obama administration - YouTube

Kid Rock Endorses Romney - Where Is Fox News? - YouTube