I know him. I’ve met him. I’ve also met some of the girls that have replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelf
Just answering your question. I have no knowledge of the accusations.
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I know him. I’ve met him. I’ve also met some of the girls that have replied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelf
Just answering your question. I have no knowledge of the accusations.
Good thing you don't work in porn because you're delusional if you think that shit is professional conduct in pornography.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Professional conduct in porn is not having sex off screen, but having respectful attitude toward your co-actors / actresses. There are no "tryouts" or whatever it is you conjured up in your head, at least not with producers who know how to conduct themselves.
Not to mention that having sex in front of a camera is COMPLETELY different to having sex off-screen.
If you have no clue about working in the industry, don't pretend you do and preach your uneducated opinion as truth.
Don't worry. He is just one of the hungangels' communists, who don't have a clue what they are talking about:) Still no sign of the First Secretary though...
I do not know anything about the Porn Industry, nor do I know Christian or anybody involved, but I did receive Sexual Harassment training in the wake of all the allegations now out in the public over the last few months.
HR of course explained in detail what is appropriate in the work place and what is not, but then they explained how harassment can be unintentional and still be absolutely wrong. They made reference to Louis CK who did not purposely try to sexually harris woman but realized after the fact that being in a position of power and even asking was still applying undue pressure because he was famous and held some amount of power of the woman he asked to show his genitals too.
They explained that any one employee may not purposely set out to commit sexual harassment but may end of doing so by simply being in a position of power even if it seems the other party is willing to do so, they maybe acting out of fear rather than actual desire.
Of course I do not know Christian as I said earlier, nor do I know anything about the Porn Industry nor any of its actors or actresses but obviously Sexual Harassment is a problem in every industry and by no means am I excusing anybody, but it seems to me that we as a population are going to have to take a good hard look at how we all behave and treat others.
Is it possible that Christian thought it was okay because there we no complaints? Absoultely, he may not have gone in thinking he was committing sexual harassment, that does not make it any less wrong, but it is easy to see how it could happen. Again, I have absolutely no idea, just speculating as that is what one tends to do on the internet, play arm chair quarterback.
After the HR training, I started to think how I interact with colleagues and I have made adjustments to ensure that I do not cause any undue harm, even though I never had an intention to do so and never would.
no please no
you guys really need to meet Duke Skywalker shooting for facialabuse.com
No I don't, which is why I've refrained from passing (ill-informed) comment ...Quote:
Originally Posted by IHeartLadyCock
Lol :dead::whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
So, it is like the music industry.
As Red Vex likes to say .. Oh Dear, oh, Dear :)
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Originally Posted by darkrose2000
And usually the music producer asks for you to sing, not grab you by the ass and force it out of you.
I don't have to work in adult entertainment to know the sum total of these complaints sound like bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikaTS
What I do know is that in all genres of porn, it's COMMON for producers to sleep with talent, and for more established actors to have sex off camera with newbies just entering the industry.
Did Christian not shoot with a woman if she refused to sleep with him off camera?? I don't know for a fact, but I'd say it's highly unlikely.
These girls aren't the Sister of the Poor. If they didn't want to have sex with Christian off camera, why didn't they say no??
Did they really think Christian tracked these girls down, arranged a fee, and then would decide not to work with them if they didn't have sex with him off camera??
From where I'm sitting, these girls had sex with Christian off camera because they WANTED to, and now after the fact are trying to call it sexual harassment.
NO one is saying these girls have to like Christian, but accusing someone of sexual harassment, sexual assault, or even rape isn't something you do because you don't like someone.
There are a lot of grey lines in porn and all these women would be hard pressed to convince anyone what Christian did was illegal.
Also, conflicted sex isn't sexual assault.
It's not like Christian was paying these girls tens of thousands of dollars either. Their 'careers' weren't on the line if they said no to Christian offscreen.
I don't see how Christian actually pressured these girls into having sex with him.
To me it still sounds like a bunch of bitter babes had a hen conference and decided to go after an easy target.
You think the only time a girl should speak up is when she is being raped. Bruh...Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I found this in another thread. hmm.
http://ist3-3.filesor.com/pimpandhos...2016-11-09.png
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Originally Posted by Shelf
Don’t know Harvey Weinstein either.
I'll add my $.02, I was just with someone in Boston who recently did a scene with Christian, and she said he was completely professional, they each got individual content for their respective web sites, and said the whole thing couldn't have gone any smoother. She had nothing but nice things to say about him.
This was about 4 weeks ago so way before this thread was started.
Having read the stories of the women. It appears he threatened to use social media to blackball these women within the industry: that they would lose bookings.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmersh
That passive aggression is exactly how Harvey Weinstein abused his victims.
And just like a singer doesn’t sing for free, why should sex performers be obligated or expected to be fondled or harassed into sex off camera.
To suggest otherwise is exactly what Weinstein counted on as well. The old, “they knew what was expected of them”
I think Stefani Special’s story rung true with some of what I read about Harvey’s victims. They felt they must comply to abuse or lose current and future film roles.
To say it’s a cut throat business buys into the justification that this abusive behavior is culturally acceptable in his business.
Whether it is Hollywood or porn. That cop out is bullshit
The 3 scenes I have done with Christian went smoothly too. - And the atmosphere was very pleasant and relaxed.
I think this thread must be due to the communists... :grin:
I enjoy Christian's content. I've never met the man, I feel that you can't please everyone and you definitely aren't going to get along with with everyone. With that said, I wish all involved in this argument the best.
Btw Red looking good
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Originally Posted by cwonk
THis is the stupid shit I'm talking about.
Did this woman decide not to do porn anymore because of her interaction one time with Christian, or because she decided having sex on vid just wasn't for her??
People are taking her off hand comment and reading all kinds of negative crap into it.
Blaming Christian as the reason why a TS decides not to do porn anymore is ridiculous.
Being a porn actor just isn't for everyone.
Wow! For the second time this month I can agree with someone's post on this board. I think there is still hope for mankind!
Very much from a certain point of view stuff. You say people are taking her off hand comment and reading negative crap into it but when I read it my first thought was it's a direct answer to a question and seemed pretty succinctly to be saying that's exactly why she doesn't do porn any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
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Originally Posted by cwonk
Too bad she left the industry. That scene was one of the hottest Tgirl porn scenes I have ever seen
This is why Poland is one of the greatest countries in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
i have to be honest, I have no earthly idea what this even means. are you saying that if a model refused to work for me, then I would tell the other companies that I don't work for and that are my competition, not to hire her? do you think other companies give 2 shits what I think about a model? if a model makes a company money, they will film her...no matter what. that's a really strange thing to claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torris
yeah it was not a fun day for a variety of reasons. she is a beautiful girl but definitely not cut out for porn. i appreciate her giving it the old college try though.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwonk
again I film 250-300 scenes a year. Obviously the vast majority go smoothly without a hitch, but thats not always the case. Some models don't mesh well and the scenes are not fun and not good...its part of the business. I've always understood that. I've loved working with a model only to find out she hated working with me. Its the nature of having sex with strangers haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGinmass
lets be honest, you are tall, blonde, busty, and incredibly sensual. it would be pretty fucking hard not to have a good performance with you. Although a case could be made for me struggling not to cum too early haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
That would only mean more action though haha.
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Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
You'll get banned for baiting and trolling.
This was irrelevant to this thread.
Ok I'm not going to get into each comment here - other than to say, among the girls that spoke out, there were only two which had genuine complaints.
The others were general bickering and trying to create mischief (something both Jamie and Chelsea Pug excel in doing).
The industry is problematic and addressing it is important, even in the way it's being done here. I think there may be problems the way some producers work and that may also need addressing, but also look at the actual accusations and separate genuine complaints from just people who dislike him.
I will be the first to admit that one of the complaints was from when my site first launched and I had just started to branch out from strictly content trade to flying girls in and paying them for exclusive content. Obviously there will be mistakes made as a producer learns how to streamline and make the process more efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
I think its also very hard to be a performer AND producer at once. Just being a performer is fun and easy, you show up, have sex with a beautiful model, get paid and go home. Just being a producer is more difficult, but if you are having sex with the model, there is a different relationship and you can focus on making the scene perfect in order to make your site money. But doing both requires much more focus and organization. There are times where I am directing the action, worrying about lighting, giving the model instructions, putting her where she needs to be, and THEN i have to worry about making sure my dick is hard. Not the easiest at times especially when i am dealing with an amateur model who doesn't know how a porn scene works.
Oh-oh. A responsible adult has entered the conversation to spoil all the fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Thanks to Steven and to all for an illuminating discussion of a fraught issue, and especially to CXXX for his candor.
TS EScorts mostly arrive suck cock and go yes and they claim they are V.I.P. :dead:
My question would be to Steven, since when it comes to this genre, I imagine Grooby is pretty much the gold standard. I understand there are some pretty low level production companies out there , but is the 'legit' company model the way Nika Ts represented it to be (which was also kind of my understanding ) or is it still largely, run- of-the mill sleazy, the way Giovanni Hotel described it? I'm not asking what a few small companies do (or used to do)...I'm asking what the large companies do?
Issues such as - are there strict rules in place, that the talent is aware of, that prohibits unwanted advances by opposing actors pre-shoot? Are actors fired when they cross that line? Is the talent EVER required to have unpaid sex with any member of the company, off camera, as an assumptive try-out?
Most of us don't really know, other than what we hear or read, about what really goes on at a production.
There's no point in addressing what happens on a personal level between talent off set, because that wouldn't necessarily be the responsibility of the production company per-se (and I've heard some rumors about both the male talent and even some TS girls doing some harrassive shit, but at the end of the day, those are just rumors...and rumors are 'sometimes' created out of shear dislike).
Just trying to clear up what the actual business model here in the States is.
I do agree that some of the complaints are ridiculous. Who hasn't bickered with someone through text? I mean, isn't that what it's all about - people saying what they truly feel without doing so face to face? If Domino Presley spent as much time trying to keep her dick hard during a scene instead of wasting all her aggression on text, maybe she'd be a superstar rather than a struggling has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
That being said, I've read some (not many but some) of Christian's comments on this site and he carries an arrogance about him that I don't like and can be condescending with some of his comments. Do I like what he always says? No, but I am completely distanced from the business at which he makes a living. I understand that being in business requires some aggressive behavior to make a buck, but not physically mishandling a model. Going forward maybe a little respect and communication can be directed toward the models by Christian. "This is how I like to establish chemistry. Are you okay with us physically getting to know one another prior to the scene? No? Okay. I respect that." It may be a good idea for Christian to give the models a form to fill out with questions that encourage them to provide information of "Do's" and "Don'ts", information that they may be uncomfortable verbally communicating. Maybe that's already done and is being ignored. I don't know.
Maybe the models can be upfront with what they won't tolerate. Don't take a job, get 'abused' and come back and rant about being abused. Don't get me wrong, no one deserves abuse, but going forward, be smart about it. If you don't get a job because you have some stipulations, then so what. You, at least, established that person/company has no integrity or credibility. If you take the job, get groped, rather than smear someone's name across the industry, think about what you could have done differently to avoid it happening again. I get tired of hearing women who had multiple situations with someone regarding unwanted sex. After the first occasion happens, it's your stupidity for everything that happens beyond that. If you burn your fingers in the fire, are you going to stick your fingers back in the fire?
I have no clue how THIS business works but I know how business works. Rather than hoping this issue goes away, maybe the higher powers can put their heads together and be proactive rather than reactive again in the future.
"It may be a good idea for Christian to give the models a form to fill out with questions that encourage them to provide information of "Do's" and "Don'ts", information that they may be uncomfortable verbally communicating. Maybe that's already done and is being ignored. I don't know." - bassman2546
- I am really looking forward to Steven addressing my question about democracy within a socialist company I have raised here: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?73366-The-FAST-Approaching-Gun-Ban&p=1805022&viewfull=1#post1805022 Might as well answer here, as it is more relevant since someone brought it up.
Also, fred41, I am also really looking forward to "Somebody" to propose establishing a Ministry of Porn in order to put things in order, so that no Chelsea Poo is going to feel offended, abused, excluded etc.
I love the serious RedVex , she is my woman
I'm just asking what the actual business model is, not what I think it should be...or what you think it should be based on personal politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
I don't want to comment on the accusations because they range quite a bit in seriousness and there are just too many things I don't know. But I did notice that Christian seems to routinely misstate the odds of contracting hiv in order to justify having condomless sex. In one of the copied interactions he says that anything other than receiving an anal creampie is less than one in ten million chance of hiv transmission. To the extent there are statistics this is not even close to true.
http://www.deadgirlproductions.com/sographics/5.jpg
If he only considers receptive anal creampie to be a risk this leaves insertive anal without a condom, receptive anal with a condom, insertive with a condom, receptive no condom but without cumming in the ass, receptive fellatio and insertive fellatio as less than one in ten million in his view. The studies that exist contradict his claim that insertive anal without a condom is low risk. That's not even close to right. And while I haven't seen stats on risk of transmission for bareback without a creampie, it's likely many orders greater than 1 in ten million.
Even receptive oral is not one in ten million despite being fairly low risk. So, while I don't want to weigh in on the most serious accusations, it is bothersome to see him propagating myths about hiv transmission rates. I'm fairly certain he proposed similar numbers years ago on a thread here and was rebutted with statistics. A shame to see him as recently as 2016 telling someone something that I haven't seen any support for in order to encourage them to do something they're not comfortable with.
https://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-ri...8/#item1324093
http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-20...k-exposure-hiv
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html
At a webmaster show in London. Will answer over the weekend or earlier when I get a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41