Sure. All the poor pot smokers who are needlessly in jail and need somebody to keep them company and who better than Larry The Cable Man and Bush 43?Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
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Sure. All the poor pot smokers who are needlessly in jail and need somebody to keep them company and who better than Larry The Cable Man and Bush 43?Quote:
Originally Posted by buttslinger
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Found this and couldn't help myself.
Anyway.
Why the naming calling during a debate?
Any way if you were truly interested in preventable deaths... then my point would not be lost on you. The killings are scary with assault weapons (but making all assault weapons disappear tomorrow wouldn't have any significant impact on the killing). No one wants to admit that the cat is out of the bag, the horse has left the barn, we have falling down the slippery slope - guns are here and they are here in sufficient numbers to stay. It is much better to regulate than to attempt an all out ban. Didn't this country attempt this logic with prohibition (that great experiment failed as will the current 'war' on most drugs). There is a bigger issue few want to touch regarding this debate thanks to my my my! and others who realize that there is a bigger issue than taking someone's AR-15 away.
There may be bigger debates but you'd have a hard time telling an LAPD officer facing down a guy with a bullet proof vest and a AR-15 with pockets full of magazines that assault weapons aren't an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by brickcitybrother
Sure this isn't the only issue in our 21st Century civilization but it is a big one. And we can change it if we show any will at all or we can pretend that the unfettered policies of gun ownership in our country are not a problem, just like we pretended 50 years ago that segregation wash't an issue worth tackling and 30 years ago pretended the AIDS wasn't a issue worth talking about.
The American people need to say NO F'ING MORE. More guns make us lesser and fewer guns will make us a better people. There are lots of answers, if you simply held manufactures liable for the damage their weapons do, they would lead the charge to limit distribution.
But regardless of what the answers are, no one can tell me a country as great as I believe my country is can accept the mayhem that our current gun laws facilitate.
It is time to say no F'ing more, but sadly as every day passes and the corpses of the babies of Newtown get colder, the willingness to fight the forces has grown colder in fighting those that have allowed weapons of mass destruction to be purchased at gun shows as a casual exercise of the 2nd Amendment.
These arguments about old age, cancer, auto accidents and other terrible events being distractions from the carnage of our allowing gun manufactures to freely sell these weapons of death misses the point. Every other thing that causes death is worthy of a spirited fight BUT that does not change that gun culture in America is needy of change.
The saddest part of the fight to bear arms is almost everyone fighting that battle would instantly find new perspective if their mother, wife, father, husband or god forbid child was struck down needlessly by a weapon that had no other purpose than to kill a human.
75 days since Newtown 2321 gun deaths up by 37 yesterday.
... and counting ....
I can't for the life of me figure out who called you a name brickcity. I said your use of statistics was inept. Any time you use a statistic in order to say one thing and it says something quite different the usage is inept. I already pretty clearly rebutted the conclusion you attempted to generate from your statistics, which you've had no response to and so now you've resorted to posting pictures.
Perhaps great white sharks create more fear than the total number of deaths would justify. That does not mean that guns also do even if there are things that cause a greater number of deaths (another inept inference). There are ways to regulate guns other than by banning them. We agree on that. Because you did not read my first post you missed the part where I discussed products liability immunity for gun manufacturers. If manufacturers were not immune from suit even for irresponsible marketing (as the PLCAA has sometimes been interpreted), they would have an incentive to be more responsible. Would this prevent all gun deaths? No but based on the paradigm for other regulated industries, it should be tried. Why should a product with little utility be regulated less stringently than one with great utility?
I'd like to thank Trish and RobertLouis and fivekatz and all of the people in this thread who write sensible things about the need for improved regulation of guns. If you think I was name-calling (which I wasn't) you should be glad I didn't recommend an article on mastering the then/than distinction that seems to be giving you so much trouble. I figured if I did mention it you would write a long self-pitying post about how your arguments may not appear sophisticated but that they are informed by a sort of inborn common sense that goes beyond mere booksmarts. But just to clear this up, then and than are not the same word and cannot be used interchangeably.
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In my Father's time there really weren't that many senseless killings, unless you count the 50 million civilians killed in WWII. While I admit this has nothing to do with THIS debate, ....these are the times we live in. John Lennon wrote "Imagine" and he was shot to death. The word is out. It's better to love than hate. Usually it's the people who have been kicked around, fairly or unfairly, sometimes by invisible inner demons, who are the problem. People were killing people long before the machine gun was invented. I'm cynical. So Kill me...
I'm sure there will be some changes to the law, only because of the insanity of Newtown. After Columbine my neice's school did away with her after-school Shakespeare club, because the nationwide schoolboard memo went around to break up all the geek cliques. Oh, What fools these mortals be.
76 days since Newtown and 2338 gun deaths up by 17 since yesterday.
Probably true enough. But all through history there has been no lack of crazy, psycho, sociopathic killers. I would guess the density of cold, heartless, serial murders is no greater today, than at other times. They just have more effective means now at their disposal. It's the same reason each war is worse than the last. As the technology advances, so does the mayhem.Quote:
In my Father's time there really weren't that many senseless killings, unless ...