Muslims

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Originally Posted by trish

You can't call a culture "western" if its dominate religion is monotheistic and features a Middle Eastern desert god whose scribes wrote in Aramaic...sorry.

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Why not if it go's back to roman times

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What difference does the time of infestation matter? Christianity overtook the Roman Empire when Constantine abandoned the Greek commitment to reason, mathematics and science for the miracles and magic of an exotic "new-age" (for the times) mind virus. Shortly after that the west completely forgot the "western values" that defined the Greco-Roman culture and entered into the dark ages. "Western Values" were re-introduced to Europe by Muslims during the Crusades. The rediscovery of classical Greek mathematics, science, philosophy and drama propelled Europe into a renaissance of those values. "Western values" were not restored to Europe (because Christianity still dominated the Renaissance) but they weren't lost either. European culture became an amalgam of the old western values of the Greco-Roman period and the new Middle Eastern values found in the distinctly Middle Eastern book known as the Bible. The Middle Eastern influence runs very deep in the modern western world, especially the U.S. It is the life-blood of the Christian religion. The differences between Jews, Christians and Muslims are miniscule. They hate each other because they have so much in common. People who have truly different beliefs from each other are generally indifferent to each other. Strong disagreement on religion requires differing perspectives on a common historical issue to which both parties are strongly committed. You hate them because you are like them.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

You missed the entire point....the thread was about Muslims. The dude is
1. Muslim
2. planning to kill as many people as he possibly could including a President
3. driven by his ideology.
4. Here on a government student visa because of the openess of our society and planned to use that as a means to his mass murdering ends.

He's not a drug dealer, or run of the mill felon...he's a terrorist, and he's Muslim. Seems those two words are mutually inclusive. Stop being an apologist. This is what we're dealing with. My only regret?? He didn't live next to you !!!!!

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Well, no. I addressed your larger point – Muslims are evil and Christians are good – in my prior post, which you, unsurprisingly, chose not to address. I completely understand your point; it’s just that your point is based on ignorance and hypocrisy.

The fact that terrorism is a law enforcement issue is a related point, in that it illustrates that your fear and hatred of Muslims is entirely inappropriate and wildly out of scale with the actual problem at hand.

So we get it. You’re irrationally terrified of Muslims. It’s pathetic, but it’s not an uncommon attitude. What’s more troubling is your steadfast refusal to acknowledge even the very existence of violent Christian chauvinists such as Scott Roeder, Eric Rudolph, the Hutaree, the Order, the Aryan Nations, Arkan’s Tigers, the Lord’s Resistance Army, the Christian Association of Nigeria, the Lebanese Phalange, Janis Simangunsong’s Red Group, the Ilaga, etc. Your broad-brush attacks on Muslims juxtaposed with your blasé indifference to Christian terror are a strong indication that you are a hypocrite.

And still you accuse me of being an apologist for terror, despite your failure to offer even a shred of evidence in support of this accusation. You’ve even upped the ante by expressing regret that I haven’t been murdered. Throwing around baseless accusations while blithely ignoring the clear contradictions in your own argument makes you a demagogue.

So there we go: an impressive record of cowardice, ignorance, hypocrisy, and demagoguery. Nice work.

I can see why Trish enjoys this. There’s something luridly entertaining about handing you your ass over and over again.

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Originally Posted by russtafa

Why not if it go's back to roman times

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Romulus & Remus were descended from Turks. Everything we call "western culture" came from the east. There's a theory, not without merit, that Jesus was influenced by the Buddhists who were moving into the area at the time. Civilization itself can be traced back about 8000 years to Iraq. When Rome collapsed, the church elders moved east, back to Turkey. Back to the civilized world. "The West" is a myth.

So tell me apologists and deniers......when you heard ( I'm assuming you did hear !) the news of a crazed gunman open fire on US Servicemen in Germany, killing 2 young Airman ,how long was it before you figured out it was yet another fanatical Muslim terrorist screaming God is Great? Judging by the politically correct news media not releasing any details of the shooter until many hours later, I knew it immediately, but it was nice to have my suspicions confirmed. For me there was never a doubt. Just like there was never a doubt he'd been indoctrinated in a local German Mosque. When will some of you people get a grip on what we're dealing with....?

When you heard a black woman was beaten with a hammer and then dragged behind a trunk until dead and dumped in a canal, how long did it take you to figure out it wasn't a Muslim terrorist. I'm no Sherlock Holmes here, but I believe the circumstances surrounding a crime are often indicative of who's in the suspect pool.

http://www.rollingout.com/insideroho...-in-texas.html

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Originally Posted by trish

When you heard a black woman was beaten with a hammer and then dragged behind a trunk until dead and dumped in a canal, how long did it take you to figure out it wasn't a Muslim terrorist. I'm no Sherlock Holmes here, but I believe the circumstances surrounding a crime are often indicative of who's in the suspect pool.

http://www.rollingout.com/insideroho...-in-texas.html

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That's obviously the difference between you and me. One doesn't need a memo to tell you not to walk down a dark alley with a bunch of thugs are hanging out getting high, you just inherently know the deal...and you don't need a memo to know what this was. A crime? No Trish....what happened in Germany was not a crime, (the only crime is you calling it a crime) This was an act of terrorism by a Muslim extremist. You and Napolatano and Holder can call it a crime, if that makes you feel more diplomatic and politically correct, but we know what it was, just like we knew what Ft. Hood was.

You don't think dragging a black woman behind a pickup truck is terrorism? The point is: we don't hold all white Christian Texans responsible. Taking guns into town hall meetings is terrorism too. You can call it a crime if you want to be politically correct (lol), but it's pure terrorism. Murder on the other hand is a crime.

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Originally Posted by trish

When you heard a black woman was beaten with a hammer and then dragged behind a trunk until dead and dumped in a canal, how long did it take you to figure out it wasn't a Muslim terrorist. I'm no Sherlock Holmes here, but I believe the circumstances surrounding a crime are often indicative of who's in the suspect pool.

http://www.rollingout.com/insideroho...-in-texas.html

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Hmmmm... I don't remember that story even hitting the news. Maybe if the klan/nazi's name was Abdul...

A 17 year old Muslim girl was employed as a Receptionist in a small Conveyancing Office in a Sydney Suburb.... No probs there.


First probem occurred when the 2 other female staff members had to leave the office...

The owner of the firm came out of his office to find a middle aged Lebanese male sitting in his reception area. (Turns out that the girl is not permitted to work in an office with any male without other females present unless a male relative is there to chaperone)...FFS!

Problem 2.... Her job also requires her to transport documents to other firms and also to lodge documents at court.... She was not permitted to leave the office without being chaperoned by a male relative.... so... the same Lebanese guy had to travel with her everywhere (which is not a good look when fronting up to other Law firms)

The girl was told that they had no problem with her being a Muslim... but it was unacceptable to expect that the firm should have to bend over backwards to satisfy her family's moral code.... The male relative was evicted from the office whereupon the girl chose to leave...

Now....The same firm is having to appear before the Equal Opportunity Commission)....with the prospect of a huge fine and compensation to the girl and her family.

HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE FUCKING MAD?

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

That's obviously the difference between you and me. One doesn't need a memo to tell you not to walk down a dark alley with a bunch of thugs are hanging out getting high, you just inherently know the deal...and you don't need a memo to know what this was. A crime? No Trish....what happened in Germany was not a crime, (the only crime is you calling it a crime) This was an act of terrorism by a Muslim extremist. You and Napolatano and Holder can call it a crime, if that makes you feel more diplomatic and politically correct, but we know what it was, just like we knew what Ft. Hood was.

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So called terrorism is a vague concept. An act is only terrorism, if that is the real purpose of the action whether, intended by the perpertrator, or instructed by others. It someone goes out and commits a crime, inspired by hate speech, its still a crime. The difference is that some may hold the speakers of the hate speech to some responsibility.

The actions of the KKK were done to produce fear and terror. They used Christian ideolgy and sybolism. So should we be trying to prevent a Christian community center from being built here in Cleveland?