Muslims

[thombergeron]

This is what we're dealing with

And if this is indeed "what we're dealing with," it appears that the relatively straightforward approach of investigating crimes and arresting criminals is working pretty well. Why "what we're dealing with" should require some sort of global and epochal clash of civilizations is not clear to me.

[russtafa]

The problem comes when these people immigrate to western country's .Their morality and teaching and values don't match ours.

[hippifried]

Australia isn't western,

Morality is the same everywhere. What's immoral is creating stereotypes to falsely justify bias.

[russtafa]

Australia is part of the west.And the morals and customs of these people are not our customs and morals mr hippie

[hippifried]

Customs are different, but they're different everywhere & are merely a point of interest. Morals are universal, & have nothing to do with customs, ideology, or religious beliefs.

Y'all like to babble about "the west" as if it's some sort of homogenous culture. It isn't. European culture is tribal. Not much different than Libya or Afghanistan, just bigger. I'm American. Lots of folks would love to think we're some sort of British offshoot, but that's simply not true. We're not Brits. We're not European at all. We are, of course, the world's dominant culture. With American hegemony, everything changed & everybody's been following along for the last 65 years or so. We officially rejected European tribal culture in the 18th century. Don't try to talk to me about "the west". It's a meaningless term.

[russtafa]

I would like you to try and live in Afghanistan and tell me that the west is a meaningless term.

[thombergeron]

I would like you to try and live in Afghanistan and tell me that the west is a meaningless term.

So here's a pretty fundamental problem. You seem to have gotten an idea from somewhere that there are two poles: the West and the wogs. But that's incorrect. You should spend two weeks in Melbourne, then the following two weeks in Detroit, and then come back here and try to tell us all how they represent the same culture. I think you might have your mind blown.

I do public health research focusing on Pacific Rim populations, and in the 21st century, in economic and cultural terms, the West Coast of North America has more in common with Japan, Hong Kong, and Mexico than it does with Alabama, Greece, and the UK.

[onmyknees]

And if this is indeed "what we're dealing with," it appears that the relatively straightforward approach of investigating crimes and arresting criminals is working pretty well. Why "what we're dealing with" should require some sort of global and epochal clash of civilizations is not clear to me.

You missed the entire point....the thread was about Muslims. The dude is
1. Muslim
2. planning to kill as many people as he possibly could including a President
3. driven by his ideology.
4. Here on a government student visa because of the openess of our society and planned to use that as a means to his mass murdering ends.

He's not a drug dealer, or run of the mill felon...he's a terrorist, and he's Muslim. Seems those two words are mutually inclusive. Stop being an apologist. This is what we're dealing with. My only regret?? He didn't live next to you !!!!!

[trish]

You can't call a culture "western" if its dominate religion is monotheistic and features a Middle Eastern desert god whose scribes wrote in Aramaic...sorry.

[russtafa]

Why not if it go's back to roman times