17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Prior to being attacked by Treyvon, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than talk to the kid. It appears that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman for daring to talk to him, and then Treyvon was then shot for his troubles. I get sick of people excusing Treyvon's attacking of Zimmerman (and there is witness statements that Zimmerman was on the ground being attack by Treyvon. If the New Black Panthers are any indication, some in the black community can only think of resulting to violence when questioned. I'm surprised that I've not been threatened with violence for daring to oppose the Al Sharpton narrative.

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im sorry but im thinking stalking someone in the middle of the night and then confronting them with a gun is a bit more than just fucking talking to someone...you really cant be that dumb can you???? how the hell would you respond if on your way to your families house some guy followed you (long enough for you to feel threatened enough to call someone) and than hoped out asking you questions with a gun? threatened maybe?
zimmerman acted beyond recklessly and escalated a situation that was never there to begin with,because of his actions a kid died needlessly,thats why he deserves manslaughter.
ps.and we know where you live...(now you can say youve been racial threatened.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

If only Zimmerman had stayed in his ride (as he was instructed to), none of us are having this conversation.

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no, we'd be talking about this http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=447 instead

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Prior to being attacked by Treyvon, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than talk to the kid. It appears that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman for daring to talk to him, and then Treyvon was then shot for his troubles. I get sick of people excusing Treyvon's attacking of Zimmerman (and there is witness statements that Zimmerman was on the ground being attack by Treyvon. If the New Black Panthers are any indication, some in the black community can only think of resulting to violence when questioned. I'm surprised that I've not been threatened with violence for daring to oppose the Al Sharpton narrative.

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Dude....I admire your stamina, but you're pissing into the wind. After reading since I last posted, few facts ( hear me now.......FACTS) if any have been released, yet everyone seems to have a pretty good idea of the sequence of events on that night, despite 3 news networks having to retract previously released information. It's futile to tell them otherwise. It breaks down pretty much along racial lines....I don't think I'm revealing anything controversial...if you're black, you project every nasty racial profiling episode onto Zimmerman, you want him tried and convicted....nothing else will be acceptable. If you're white and maybe put more faith in the justice system, you're inclined to let this play out, and even give Zimmerman the presumption of innocence .....imagine that? Even thought to be honest....I don't consider him to be white, and neither does he...

Several things are certain at this point......The press has behaved abhorrently and played into every racial stereotype there is. Nothing new there...Secondly, this is obviously a much more complicated case than the hustlers, and most folks on here would have you believe.

But we're not in for a resolution anytime soon........... if ever.... if there is an arrest, there will be a preliminary hearing, than it will be a year before the trial, and then a verdict, and the press and others will be whippin' up trouble the entire time.....so we're in for a very long thread !!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Dude.... If you're white and maybe put more faith in the justice system, you're inclined to let this play out, and even give Zimmerman the presumption of innocence .....imagine that?

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Let's put aside your imagination a minute. The justice system let Zimmerman walk out the door. Without even a court date appearance. Am I right, Whiteman?

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

Prior to being attacked by Treyvon, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than talk to the kid. It appears that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman for daring to talk to him, and then Treyvon was then shot for his troubles. I get sick of people excusing Treyvon's attacking of Zimmerman (and there is witness statements that Zimmerman was on the ground being attack by Treyvon. If the New Black Panthers are any indication, some in the black community can only think of resulting to violence when questioned. I'm surprised that I've not been threatened with violence for daring to oppose the Al Sharpton narrative.

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Oh wow! So now we get to just make up the story as we go along? Cool. I can do that too. Just reach on back & pull shitloads of unreported details out of my ass. (pun intended) So let's get this straight:

1) There was a conversation. Zimmerman was just talking to the kid. After all, the 1st Amendment allows for that, even though the National Archives & Congressional Record screwed up & didn't get it into the transcript. Was the conversation picked up on the 911 recording? Was this before or after the cries for help?

2) Zimmerman is allowed to pursue, close, & engage, but Martin isn't allowed to throw the punch. Did I get that right?

3) Martin now has Zimmerman on the ground wailing on him. Wow! This kid just gets bigger, stronger, & meaner every day.

Okay, that's enough for now. Let's take a look:

1) If Zimmerman was talking to Martin, that just means he caught up to him while in pursuit. Were they face to face? If so, were they facing back toward where the pursuit had begun or in the direction the pursuit had been taking? Whether or not Zimmerman had passed Martin & was now blocking his path makes a difference. Here's a question that needs to be asked: Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

2) You know what an assault is, right? You understand that assault is the threat of violence, whether it actually happens or not? This: 'Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?' still applies here. This isn't about who threw the punch. It's about who's the aggressor & who's the defender. Under "stand your ground", Martin's the one with the justified use of force.

3) So now Zimmerman's a punk too? A useless wimp who can only defend himself with a gun? He's not fat, he's got 50 pouinds on the kid, he pursues, he engages, & he still gets taken down & beat up? If he's that much of a pussy, why's he chasing anybody in the first place? Oh that's right. He's armed. That makes him brave, heroic, tough, thoughtful, & ... Nah! It just makes him a scared & stupid wimp with a gun, & a danger to averyone around him. Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

if you're black, you project every nasty racial profiling episode onto Zimmerman, you want him tried and convicted....nothing else will be acceptable. If you're white and maybe put more faith in the justice system, you're inclined to let this play out, and even give Zimmerman the presumption of innocence .....imagine that? Even thought to be honest....I don't consider him to be white, and neither does he...

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Are you drunk or something? Who the hell are you to attribute opinions to people based on the color of their skin? I'm white, and I think your theory here really sucks.

And btw, I don't believe you were in any jungle fighting any enemy during any war. That sounds like total horseshit.

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I don't think I'm revealing anything controversial...if you're black, you project every nasty racial profiling episode onto Zimmerman, you want him tried and convicted

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Bullshit. Let's just take one step at a time and have a honest investigation.

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Originally Posted by hippifried

Oh wow! So now we get to just make up the story as we go along? Cool. I can do that too. Just reach on back & pull shitloads of unreported details out of my ass. (pun intended) So let's get this straight:

1) There was a conversation. Zimmerman was just talking to the kid. After all, the 1st Amendment allows for that, even though the National Archives & Congressional Record screwed up & didn't get it into the transcript. Was the conversation picked up on the 911 recording? Was this before or after the cries for help?

2) Zimmerman is allowed to pursue, close, & engage, but Martin isn't allowed to throw the punch. Did I get that right?

3) Martin now has Zimmerman on the ground wailing on him. Wow! This kid just gets bigger, stronger, & meaner every day.

Okay, that's enough for now. Let's take a look:

1) If Zimmerman was talking to Martin, that just means he caught up to him while in pursuit. Were they face to face? If so, were they facing back toward where the pursuit had begun or in the direction the pursuit had been taking? Whether or not Zimmerman had passed Martin & was now blocking his path makes a difference. Here's a question that needs to be asked: Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

2) You know what an assault is, right? You understand that assault is the threat of violence, whether it actually happens or not? This: 'Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?' still applies here. This isn't about who threw the punch. It's about who's the aggressor & who's the defender. Under "stand your ground", Martin's the one with the justified use of force.

3) So now Zimmerman's a punk too? A useless wimp who can only defend himself with a gun? He's not fat, he's got 50 pouinds on the kid, he pursues, he engages, & he still gets taken down & beat up? If he's that much of a pussy, why's he chasing anybody in the first place? Oh that's right. He's armed. That makes him brave, heroic, tough, thoughtful, & ... Nah! It just makes him a scared & stupid wimp with a gun, & a danger to averyone around him. Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

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Originally Posted by hippifried

2) You know what an assault is, right? You understand that assault is the threat of violence, whether it actually happens or not? This: 'Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?' still applies here. This isn't about who threw the punch. It's about who's the aggressor & who's the defender. Under "stand your ground", Martin's the one with the justified use of force.

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Respectfully suggest you look up the actual definition of assault because you have it 100% incorrect.

This whole debate (meaning the greater debate, not just this board) is so horribly jaded from how it's been reported. Hell, just look at the title of this thread! It's almost impossible for form an unbiased opinion - one because the media loads so much bias on every word for good ratings and two because so few *actual* facts are available.

Remember there are always 3 sides to every story his, hers (or his #2 in this case) and the truth. That doesn't even necessarily mean either person is lying - but how each person sees an event will vary. Especially something like this where adrenaline is flowing and everyone's excited, scared, and outside their element.

Even Bill Cosby said that if Zimmerman didn't have that side piece, he NEVER would have gotten out of his car and approached Trayvon in the first place.

For those who want to make a donation to George Zimmerman's Defense Fund:


Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread, I made a donation to the above defense fund to ensure that justice is obtained. I'm not going to let Al Sharpton railroad an innocent man into prison.

As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

For those who want to make a donation to George Zimmerman's Defense Fund:


Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread, I made a donation to the above defense fund to ensure that justice is obtained. I'm not going to let Al Sharpton railroad an innocent man into prison.

As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

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well i have tatts so im obviously a hard core tranny gang banger.....we flash gang signs by flashing our cocks and titts

ttttt

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

For those who want to make a donation to George Zimmerman's Defense Fund:
http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com/

Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread, I made a donation to the above defense fund to ensure that justice is obtained. I'm not going to let Al Sharpton railroad an innocent man into prison.

As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

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You should join the Klan too, if you haven't already. Maybe your parents would be impressed when you came home then and turned on FOX news. :boring

"Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger."

A baseless and wholly spurious suggestion (I won't dignify it by calling it an argument). Young people follow fashions. And they've been getting flack for it for decades. Criticism is one thing - being labelled a gangbanger without any evidence when you've been gunned down and killed in cold blood is a nasty and baseless accusation.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

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As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

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You're an ass.
I turned up home with ear pierced, bleach-tipped hair, pink shirt and skin tight jeans which didn't go down too well either, when I was 15.

It's topics like these that bring out people's true colors.

I have yet to read a definitive account of what happened that night, and now wonder if we will ever have an objective account that satisfies everyone. Beyond the two people involved, the key issues must be the behaviour of the police, and the definition of the 'stand your ground' law in Florida -in the meantime, in the UK a survey by the Guardian reveals that:
"Rising numbers of civilian justifiable homicides across the US are closely linked to states with both weak gun controls and stand-your-ground laws, according to a Guardian analysis of FBI and other data, which show a 25% increase in such killings since the controversial self-defence laws started being introduced around 2005.
Stand-your-ground (SYG) measures, which have attracted increasing scrutiny since the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, allow citizens to use deadly force when they believe their life is in danger, without requiring them to retreat or try to escape the threat first."


The full article with data is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ta?INTCMP=SRCH

Again, I can not say who was right or wrong in the case cause I was not there nor do I know the evidence. If it was a clear cut case then the DOJ or whoever is investigating the situation right now would have made a decision on what to do, it seems very complicated.

But what some posters are bringing up now in this thread is interesting, the way the kid dressed. I am not stupid, I do know that no one should be hassled let alone shot for dressing of out place from "society's" perceptions.

When younger as a goth/punk I would be hassled by the cops, store security and even a citizens patrol cause of the way I dressed. For me, I just had to explain my situation and try not to get angry cause some of the people questioning me carried a gun. Now that I live with guys who dress as bikers the same thing happens to me and them. We get hassled by the same people, OK, not so much from citizen patrols but the police always hassle us cause of the way we look, even though we done nothing wrong. It is past perceptions of bikers that leads people to believe that all of us are bad people. I think it's wrong to hassle people based on how they dress and look, it's especially wrong to kill someone cause of this but whether we like it or not, how a person dresses does play a role in their lives, it's sad but it does.


The other problem I kinda see since I came online a few years ago. I might be wrong but I kinda think that people of different races seem to be separating from each other more nowadays. I hate to use the phrase "some of my best friends are" but when I was younger I had a very diverse group of people I knew. Today I rarely talk to a black person, mostly just online. I don't know if that is true all over the country but other white people I know and talk to have similar lives. And with this comes the situation where people don't know what goes on in each others lives.

What I'm trying to say up above in both my thoughts is that white people get hassled by the police the same as blacks. it's just that I don't and my friends don't talk to other black people in a personal way so they might not know that whites get messed with too. I have had white friends who were shot by the police in questionable circumstances but cause the news doesn't care and few of us talk to black people these incidents basically go unnoticed by most except the few that knew the people.

I do understand that not all cases are the same, people see injustice in some and not in others, I understand that. But I find that injustice doesn't just happen to black people or how a black person dresses that causes injustice, the same thing happens to white people but you just don't hear of it as often. OK, maybe white yuppies don't get messed with, but I can assure you that white people of a different background do get messed with sometimes they get shot and killed too.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

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They really do.

And it indicates that those people are pretty fucking stupid.

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187

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Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread...

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OMK loves that word too. Did you both learn it somewhere on FOX News? You know, you two should get a room and fuck each other's pseudo intellectual white trash brains out. I think he has a crush on you.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

OMK loves that word too. Did you both learn it somewhere on FOX News? You know, you two should get a room and fuck each other's pseudo intellectual white trash brains out. I think he has a crush on you.

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Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.

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Did you graduate high school?

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

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I find it very interesting how both of you keep dodging the responses I make to your posts.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...&postcount=464

For instance, cigar still hasn't said anything about how Zimmerman has a criminal record, and not Martin.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Did you graduate high school?

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No, that's what I remember from psych 101 at a good SEC school. I just googled "Nicole Dupree...narcissist".

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

... illusory superiority...

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It's not illusory that Nicole is far brighter than you; it's clear, it's true, it's a fact. Get used to it.

Yvonne, keep all the factors in this case that we know the same, except change ONE variable; the race of assailant and victim.

Do you honestly think if a Black self-appointed neighborhood watch captain claimed he saw a 'suspicious' looking White teen in a hoodie talking on the phone with his GF carrying Skittles and a can of Ice Tea, got into an altercation and shot that White unarmed kid through the heart, do you really believe that Black murderer would be able to credibly claim 'self defense' and not be arrested??

This is where my outrage comes from, the consistent double standard and the reason why I personally try to keep the temperature turned down on any possible confrontation with a stranger.

I'm 50/50 Zimmerman is convicted of anything or has to serve significant jail time, but this paper thin defense of hiding behind the SYG law is IMO just another example of veiled racism that is all too easy to see.

When Zimmerman is arrested, people will quit bitching.
But for that punk to be free for over 40 days because he claims a kid that he was following threatened HIS life is bullshit.

I know White people get hassled for looking a certain way or wearing the 'wrong' clothes. But the difference is IMO that when you're Black, you will catch grief from authorities just for NOT being White.

Not all the time. But collectively, it goes on way too frequently.

ROughly over half of all the Black men I know have been pulled over by cops for NO FUCKING LEGITIMATE REASON. Except for the race of the driver.

Yvonne you know why you have this impression that the races are becoming more divided??
Because White people are tired of being reminded that racism still exists.
And Black and Brown people are sick of the fact that racism won't go away.

This never would have been a national story if the Sanford PD had acted like any normal PD and arrested Zimmerman on probable cause and actually investigated this case.

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Originally Posted by trish

It's not illusory that Nicole is far brighter than you; it's clear, it's true, it's a fact. Get used to it.

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LOL. He only chooses to make half-assed responses to certain comments directed at him when he runs his mouth, and he gets embarrassed by the ones he does choose to respond to.

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Originally Posted by nylifun

Respectfully suggest you look up the actual definition of assault because you have it 100% incorrect.

This whole debate (meaning the greater debate, not just this board) is so horribly jaded from how it's been reported. Hell, just look at the title of this thread! It's almost impossible for form an unbiased opinion - one because the media loads so much bias on every word for good ratings and two because so few *actual* facts are available.

Remember there are always 3 sides to every story his, hers (or his #2 in this case) and the truth. That doesn't even necessarily mean either person is lying - but how each person sees an event will vary. Especially something like this where adrenaline is flowing and everyone's excited, scared, and outside their element.

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The major issue, is that one side of this story will never be told. Zimmerman pursued someone who was unarmed and he had a gun. The unarmed person comes up dead. Let for a minute think about the scenario that Zimmerman was a trained policeman. In such a case, he would have been put on adminstrative leave until the matter was investigated. But now, some new Florida law, changes concepts of the defintion of self defense, which has been around for centuries, even before there was a United States.

And by the way, if you say that Hippifried, is "100 percent wrong", I think you owe an explanation how this is so. We all come from different legal jurisdictions. However, according to media reports, Martin's girlfriend, who was on the phone with reported that he was very concerned, (maybe scared might be a better word.) His friend was reported as advising him to run. So this is evidence that he felt a threat. I know that this is not legal evidence. There any many questions and possibilties. I say that a debating public wants/needs answers. This includes your definitions, mr legal scholar.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

No, that's what I remember from psych 101 at a good SEC school. I just googled "Nicole Dupree...narcissist".

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Well, I'm glad you can at least admit you couldn't finish high school. That's a big step.

Now look in the mirror and say these words:

"I am dumb Floridian white trash, and Nicole Dupre is my intellectual superior. I also have horrible body odor, and I never change my underwear."

Go ahead... Say it!!!

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The major issue, is that one side of this story will never be told. Zimmerman pursued someone who was unarmed and he had a gun. The unarmed person comes up dead. Let for a minute think about the scenario that Zimmerman was a trained policeman. In such a case, he would have been put on adminstrative leave until the matter was investigated. But now, some new Florida law, changes concepts of the defintion of self defense, which has been around for centuries, even before there was a United States.

And by the way, if you say that Hippifried, is "100 percent wrong", I think you owe an explanation how this is so. We all come from different legal jurisdictions. However, according to media reports, Martin's girlfriend, who was on the phone with reported that he was very concerned, (maybe scared might be a better word.) His friend was reported as advising him to run. So this is evidence that he felt a threat. I know that this is not legal evidence. There any many questions and possibilties. I say that a debating public wants/needs answers. This includes your definitions, mr legal scholar.

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Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

"I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim."

You have to be kidding.

I realize that this is mainly a TS porn related forum, but please don't base your arguments on the movies. A young boy is dead, and most of us are trying to get a sense of what happened by the available evidence. This is a serious matter and there may be race riots and more people killed because of this incident. The New Black Panther Party is advocating killing Zimmerman and other "crackers." This is the time Obama ought to speak up and tell the black community to allow the justice system to work. Race riots will only doom Obama's reelection chances. Obama needs to be the President who represents all Americans, not just Americans that look like him.

As I think can be seen from my previous posts that I think that is someone physically assaults you then you have the right to defend yourself. Contrary to the opinion of some on this board, the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).

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First of movies can be used as evidence that an idea is possibly a widespread one. Seems to me that you operate under the assumption that Zimmeramn was telling the truth. The possibility exists that he was not telling the truth. It would not be the first time that someone lied, who was facing a possible conviction for taking someone's life. And fact people that pre-meditate murder, have often preconcieved an alibi for their actions. Zimmerman reportedly did not go to the hospital, where more official documentation of his injuries were made, until the next day.
This leaves a possible time frame for tampering with hie injuries, as evidence. I'm not saying he did this. I'm only speculating about possiblities. But what really makes me suspicious is that Trayvon went so far to provide Zimmerman with self defense proof, according to what I have heard, about his story. He reportedly, either attacked Zimmerman form behind, or dragged him (the heavier man) from his secured vehicle, then declared verbally his intention to kill him, while assaulting him. This from a kid with no police record, and no record of violence. Zimmerman, who called the police to report a suspcious person, in an area that had had break-ins, then turned his back on Maritn. Or walked back to his vehicle, without looking back a this 'suspicous person'. This does not seem logical to me.

But, I did forget that Trayvonn was photographed raising his middle finger, and/or had a tatoo, or a gold tooth. This is real proof that he intended to kill someone. Fear makes people irrational. It is the root of the cause of this whole incident, (from the law, to the actions of the individuals). There is a Bible verse (in the book of Timothy), that says that "God did not give us the spirit of fear, but of a sound mind,..." It would be wonderful for people to be fighting Fear, instead of being ruled by it. Bad things do happen, but the human race is more populous than ever. This is mathematical proof that there is more love, than there is hate and fear. And I am not kidding, either.

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Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent

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Uh oh the twisted bitch is back trolling me again.....but it's all good she entertains me, and I don't have to pay a dime ......Hey if you got a fucking bone to pick with mild cigar....pick it and leave me the fuck out of it you nasty bitch. I read some interesting shit on this thread, but none of it from you...I mean really...read your last three posts..........and you're calling other people dumb and ignorant ? That's hysterical. No matter what the topic you'll reach for the lowest common denominator relatively quickly, yet accuse others of exactly that. Bi Polar much? .. Nothing I've said on this entire post warrants being called pejoratives by a sewer rat like you.
You're one miserable ,melodramatic , medicated moonbat.. You fuck a couple of black dudes for some coin, and now you're a race relations expert? LMAO. Well I guess you can put on a resume "real life experience". You shoot your mouth off more than any Sicilian since Sammy the Bull....and look where it got him.........anonymity. Come to think of it...might not be a bad gig for you. You could start all over ....a new life in a new state in middle America..ya know with those white folks you loath....... lmao....but you'd be the same psychotic bitch. lol
Leave me out of your ignorant, oversimplistic rants.

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Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent

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Hey there. I'm Mo. This my brother, Mo. & this is my other brother, Mo.
We're the Rons.


Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Uh oh the twisted bitch is back trolling me again.....but it's all good she entertains me, and I don't have to pay a dime ......Hey if you got a fucking bone to pick with mild cigar....pick it and leave me the fuck out of it you nasty bitch. I read some interesting shit on this thread, but none of it from you...I mean really...read your last three posts..........and you're calling other people dumb and ignorant ? That's hysterical. No matter what the topic you'll reach for the lowest common denominator relatively quickly, yet accuse others of exactly that. Bi Polar much? .. Nothing I've said on this entire post warrants being called pejoratives by a sewer rat like you.
You're one miserable ,melodramatic , medicated moonbat.. You fuck a couple of black dudes for some coin, and now you're a race relations expert? LMAO. Well I guess you can put on a resume "real life experience". You shoot your mouth off more than any Sicilian since Sammy the Bull....and look where it got him.........anonymity. Come to think of it...might not be a bad gig for you. You could start all over ....a new life in a new state in middle America..ya know with those white folks you loath....... lmao....but you'd be the same psychotic bitch. lol
Leave me out of your ignorant, oversimplistic rants.

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Oh, shut up, you white trash jail bird. Tell us all about how you were Vietnam in detail now, you big lying loser. Go ahead...

OMK runs for the hills if you confront him on his lies. Unless you give him a chance to regurgitate what he saw on FOX News recently, he's at a loss for words. He's such a big doofus. *smdh

OMK, your boy Zimmerman called Sean Hannity (against Lawyer's wishes)
I don't think your buddy wants to go to jail. I don't think he really want's justice to run it's course.

I hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html

He stated that "When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody." Technically, he's right. In defending yourself with a gun (or your fists for that matter) you'll have to harm someone else.

In one of the comments someone said "No gun, different outcome." Yup!

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

I hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html

He stated that "When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody." Technically, he's right. In defending yourself with a gun (or your fists for that matter) you'll have to harm someone else.

In one of the comments someone said "No gun, different outcome." Yup!

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Oh. Well we all know if we saw Bill Cosby walking around outside a gated community he'd just have to be up to no good. I mean, mildcigar has his doctorate on who to follow home with a gun and shoot when you see them walking outside on a public street, and according to him it's black guys. I wouldn't trust that Cosby guy he looks like he's dangerous; like he might stab someone with a pudding pop. ;-) lol

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