The TS Jessy Dubai Case

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Originally Posted by bigkid69

What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.

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Holzz is the most idiotic user on this site, I bet he has the most thumbs down posts by far.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Life is fiction, as is this post lol

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Not fiction.

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

did u say invest? i hate to tell you this but i am here to tell you that 99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.

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Investment doesn't have to be in equity, I know of two escorts who used money saved to buy property -a capital asset- and another two who invested their earnings in hair and beauty salons. We are not really disagreeing here, the point being that in a career that doesn't last long, and where the sums of money can fluctuate even well known performers are not rich, but can make enough money to start a modest business to turn to when they retire. I don't know what Jessie Dubai has done with the money she has earned, but the costs of litigation will be hard to bear.

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content.

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A dirty truth that most folks don't want to discuss....

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.

I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.

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you are ignoring the #1 fundamental law of porn my friend

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.

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I bet most people dont know what it is...I dont but in general, equity refers to a defined fraction of ownership

and u just defined what a share of stock is my friend. you answered your own question

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

Then I have to ask Wendy are you saying top porn performers are making less then they did a decade ago? Including all revenue streams, whether it is porn, escorting, and gifts? (Thanks to the internet it is easier to obtain all three.)

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YES absolutely.
Next question?

in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.

additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.

what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.

so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.

now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.

there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.

Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.

Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.

Any questions?

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.

additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.

what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.

so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.

now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.

there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.

Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.

Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.

Any questions?

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The thing I am saying is decent performer in porn shouldn't be flat broke. I never indicated they are making 500k a year. I just said they make a decent dollar. I wasn't say top performers reflects the industry as a whole. Your 50 to 100 dollars of privates on backpage is way off if you are referring for the hour. I am just saying you can make a decent dollar, if you are smart. Of course our definition of decent dollar will be different.