Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

[Dino Velvet]

I miss him already.

http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/11/15/silvio-berlusconi-pervert_13213108154.gif

[buttslinger]

Say what?

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Everybody knows Rush Limbaugh is the voice, the heart, the guru, and the soul of the Republican Party. Even if every Republican Politician dis-avows his existence.
Doesn't it set off a tiny alarm bell when you hear him selling aluminum siding, vermont care bears and mail order flowers on his holiest of holy radio show?

Oh well, if you want to order up a steaming pile of horeshit with a different flavor candy syrup every day, it's a free country, and we've leapt higher hurdles than this in our attempt to make the American Dream a Reality.

But personally, I don't buy that shit.


Got to make it real, but com-pared to what?

VOTING IS NOW

[theoryman]

Where does Limbaugh come into this? I haven't heard his show since before y2k.

I can't even remember the last time the radio in my truck was on anything besides classic rock.

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[trish]

...I can't even remember the last time the radio in my truck was on anything besides classic rock.--Thanks for the bump.


Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Annie459]

I need to do a few pictures with my bow.

[trish]

Hi Annie. Please do (post a few pictures with your bow) and welcome to HA.

[Annie459]

Hi Annie. Please do (post a few pictures with your bow) and welcome to HA.

Will do. Thank you very much Trish. Hope you have a great weekend.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

bump

[Dino Velvet]

Captain Planet Bump! All you little Planeteers get out there!

http://epguides.com/CaptainPlanet/cast.jpg

http://pichour.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/damn-you-captain-planet.jpg?w=497

[buckjohnson]

Did my voting via early voting. Had a couple procedural hurdles because of a recent move but the line was short, voting was so easy, unlike 2008 and 2004 (which was the worst voting exp I ever had, felt my vote was supressed and disenfranchised )and actully signed a affidavit regarding my exp. )

[buttslinger]

____

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~bump~
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html

[Prospero]

Bump

[onmyknees]

From The Washington Post..........

By the way, Just for the record, Jim Moran is a far left democrat. Nuff Said. So the question is .....why is it that only left wingers are caught on tape entertaining voter fraud ? Two possible explanations...

1. They don't have anyone smart enough to do the undercover taping and sting operations to catch anyone
2. They keep getting caught because they've been doing it for years and just think it's part of the political process.
:fu:


By Errin Haines,
Oct 24, 2012 11:55 PM EDT
The Washington Post[/URL]
The son of 11-term Rep. James P. Moran Jr. resigned from his father’s campaign Wednesday hours after an [URL="http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2012/10/24/new-undercover-video-did-congressmans-son-commit-voter-fraud.aspx"]undercover video (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/jim-morans-son-resigns-campaign-amid-video-furor/2012/10/24/95ea4a56-1e23-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html#license-95ea4a56-1e23-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058) showed him discussing possible voter fraud with an activist posing as a campaign worker.
In the video, dated Oct. 8 and posted by conservative activist James O’Keefe, Patrick Moran does not explicitly advocate or condone the worker’s suggestion to cast ballots on behalf of 100 voters he says are unlikely to show up Nov. 6.

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html


Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Willie Escalade]

Biggity-bump

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~~bump~~
http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/break...icle20598.html (http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html)


Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[fred41]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html

I'm sorry ...I don't believe this at all...but "bump" nontheless.

[buttslinger]

right is right

VOTE

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html

I'm sorry ...I don't believe this at all...but "bump" nontheless.So have you read the original analysis? I haven't, so I'm trying to remain agnostic. But in light of all the other explicitly obvious attempts to suppress the vote and cheat the electorate, my incredulity (regarding the nsa analyst) is strained.

[fred41]

No Trish, I just read the article...some of the links didn't work for me.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
In Wisconsin the Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[theoryman]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=521424&stc=1&d=1351557247

Trish, just who is the stunning redhead?

I have a weakness for redheaded gurls...

:salad

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[buttslinger]

Godammit Mom!

EXPLICIT: Michael Moore Ad For Obama - MoveOn.org - "Greatest Generation" VIOLENT LANGUAGE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ub-c0QRlEU)

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~bump~
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

~bump~
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

bump

[Prospero]

Originally Posted by trish
~bump~
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

bump

[trish]

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

After all those hanging chads the last time, will it be floating chads in 2012?

In the Uk we all the undecided "floating voters." Rather appropriate after Sandy.

[buttslinger]

if you think suppressing the vote stinks
think what they'd do with the keys to Ft Knox
VOTE

[Willie Escalade]

Wake the F**K Up (NSFW) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5wQ_OkYwZc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PBkl5GCClI)

Homer Votes 2012 | The Simpsons | Animation on Fox - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArC7XarwnWI)

[Odelay]

Looking forward to an Obama rally in Dubuque on Saturday. Waiting til Tuesday to vote and I'll be curious to see if any of those True the Vote yahoos are around the polling station. I have a pretty good idea what I will do if I see any voter getting hassled.

[onmyknees]

Looking forward to an Obama rally in Dubuque on Saturday. Waiting til Tuesday to vote and I'll be curious to see if any of those True the Vote yahoos are around the polling station. I have a pretty good idea what I will do if I see any voter getting hassled.


Wow...that tough guy act becomes you Odey. But please don't resort to confrontation...immediately report them to UN Observers. I hear they're being dispatched now that they've assured us of fair elections in Venezuela.
At the rally, I think you may be surrounded by a couple dozen of your closest friends and comrades Odey. I've read the crowds are a fraction of '08. If "What Ya Know Joe" warms up the crowd, you might think you're in Nebraska...his geography is not what it should be. Or maybe he's just tired. Let's hope he doesn't get Baltimore and Benghazi mixed up...that could get awkward. Comforting he's only the proverbial heartbeat away. If the crowd is modest, my guess is suppression or racism is to blame. BTW....will this place shut down for a few days if Romney pulls this out? I think it would be only fitting !

[GroobySteven]

BTW....will this place shut down for a few days if Romney pulls this out? I think it would be only fitting !

You mean this site?

[Odelay]

OMK is losing it. He's preparing for the worst. It's his way of warning us that he might be absent for awhile if his side loses.

[trish]

The Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods in Ohio reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

VOTING IS A RIGHT...NOT A CRIME.



Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

And they bleat that there is no racial element this time around.

Bump

[BluegrassCat]

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-29390-department_of_justice_investigating_alleged_ballot _fraud_at_clackamas_county_elections.html

An example of ballot fraud...committed by a Republican. Importantly, although this is illegal and antithetical to democracy this problem would NOT be solved by voter id AT ALL. Voter ID as practiced is Voter Suppression. The only problem it solves is the Republican inability to win on their ideas.

Don't forget your ID and don't forget to vote.

[buttslinger]

vote early

[Prospero]

Bump...

[onmyknees]

Acorn Lives !!!!!!! I believe this is what Libs mean when they say they have a superior "get out the vote" effort. :fu:




Concerns raised over possible exploitation of mentally disabled voters
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By Gregory Phillips (http://www.fayobserver.com/help/staff/gregory-phillips)
Staff writer
Jimmy Green's stepdaughter had never voted before. The 57-year-old is mentally disabled, and Green said she doesn't understand the concept of casting a ballot.
But this week, she called her parents to say she had voted for President Obama. The care home in Fayetteville where she lives registered its residents to vote and drove them to the polls, Green said.
"My concern is that somebody told her who to vote for," he said. "She didn't even know there's two different parties."
Complaints of uncomprehending voters being ferried to cast ballots surface every election. And in a presidential race as close as this year's, with huge levels of early voting, any perceived irregularity is falling under intense scrutiny.
But federal and state laws are very clear - there is no competency test for voting.
"The law specifically says that anyone with a disability is allowed to have assistance from anyone that they choose," said Terri Robertson, director of the Cumberland County Board of Elections. "As long as they can communicate to us in some way that they need assistance and who they wish to have assistance from, the law allows it."
In 2010, Gary Bartlett, the state elections director, issued a memo to county boards clarifying the law.
"In the absence of evidence of systematic fraud," Bartlett wrote, "the presumption should work in favor of the opportunity of the voter to vote."
Don Talbot said he saw vans full of mentally disabled voters brought to the polls time and again during his years as a former precinct chief in Cumberland County. He said it often appeared they had little input in completing the ballot.
"The audacity of it to me, it is shameful," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."
Bob Hall with Democracy North Carolina, a voter rights group, said he hears protests about the opposite problem.
"We also get complaints from people who want to provide assistance being told they're not allowed to give it," he said. "They go overboard on the other direction."
It can be hard for observers to tell how much assistance a voter is getting, said Lisa Grafstein, a lawyer for the Disability Rights N.C. advocacy group.
"It is tough, because you can't really get in the middle of that conversation and know what was going on there," she said. "We can't put a block on a whole host of people voting because we suspect there might be some incidental instances of exploitation ... . I don't think the law can really draw a black line like that."
When exploitation does occur, the focus should be on the people manipulating the voters rather than stripping the rights of the disabled, Grafstein said. She likened their situation to that of an elderly person scammed over the phone.
"We don't take their phone away," she said. "We don't punish them for having been manipulated."
Robertson said she's heard general complaints this year but no specific allegations of voter exploitation. Incidents can be reported to the Board of Elections at 678-7733.
Jimmy Green has not lodged an official complaint about his stepdaughter being escorted to the polls. He said he fears reprisals against her from the care home.
"I'm not holding up for either party here in this case," he said, "but it's just not right."
Bartlett's memo acknowledged there could be instances when a voter who is not capable of communicating his identity or voting preference is permitted to vote.
"That consequence is preferable to the conflicting consequence of inappropriately disenfranchising voters merely because of their communications shortcomings," Bartlett wrote. "In the absence of systematic fraud, this imperfect outcome is simply one with which we must live."

[Prospero]

OMK - Thanks for that article written for a local paper in Lafayette North Carolina by a British born reporter. So much for limeys keeping their noses out of your election.


Interesting little bit of editing by you though. This was your version....""The audacity of it to me, it is shameful," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."


And this is what was in the original article. "The audacity of it to me, it is shameful, but both parties do it," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."


Come on now OMK... you don't think we'd catch you out onf that? it gives the whole story a rather different complexion.!

True there are likely to be some abuses on both sides - and if this story is true (though interestingly the central figure has not lodged any formal complaint) then it should be further investigated. But you are sort of scraping the barrel to offer something to counterbalance the vast range of attempts by the Republicans to fix the forthcoming poll.

But a rather more significant threat to warp the entire fabric of how the electoral process in America is in prospect if the GOP win this election. The Supreme Court will need new appointments soon. Three judges are likely to retire. Romney has already indicated that he would appoint young Conservatives. Their impact would go far beyond the life of the next administration and the few that follow.

This is written by one of the USA's foremost legal experts, a professor of jurisprudence at harvard, Ronald Dworkin (excerpted from a longer article)

"If the public had been engaged, it would have been warned about a further decision compromising democracy that the Roberts Court seems poised to make. It seems likely to declare unconstitutional crucial parts of the venerable Voting Rights Act of 1965. Section 5 of that act requires all or some counties in states that have a particularly egregious record of voter discrimination in the past—Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia—to obtain a “preclearance” from the Department of Justice or from a three-judge federal court before they change their voting laws in any way. The act was a celebrated civil rights victory when first adopted, and it has been reenacted by Congress several times since, most recently in 2006 when it was extended for twenty-five years by a large majority of both houses. It places the burden of proof on a covered state to show that any new law would not have the effect of disadvantaging minority voters.

Section 5 continues to be an important safeguard of electoral fairness. Since 2010, when the Republican Party greatly expanded its power in state governorships and legislatures, it has tried through a variety of means to minimize the electoral impact of citizens likely to vote Democratic or to prevent them from voting at all, and Section 5 has been crucial in blocking the most blatant of these attempts.

When Florida recently decided to reduce the number of early-voting days, which allow people to vote who cannot take time off on Election Day, it was barred from making the change in five counties covered by the preclearance requirement. So it simply exempted those counties from the change. The Department of Justice then objected to different election schedules in different counties and required Florida to negotiate a common voting schedule for the entire state. Freed of the requirements of Section 5, Florida would have had much greater latitude to curtail early voting.

When Texas was recently awarded four additional congressional seats, the state legislature drew the new boundaries so as to reduce the chances that Hispanics would have an impact on elections in mixed districts. The plan was blocked by Section 5: neither the Department of Justice nor a federal court would grant the preclearance the act required. A three-judge federal panel said, unanimously, that the evidence left no doubt that the plan was designed to reduce the overall voting power of Hispanics in the state.

Since 2010, several states (all but one with Republican governors) have enacted laws that require voters to present official identification cards, in many cases with a photo, at the voting booth. The most common ID is a driver’s license; people who do not have one are mostly poor and disproportionately black or Hispanic. Such citizens can obtain substitute ID cards in those eleven states but only after burdensome and in some cases expensive application, often requiring applicants to travel a considerable distance to official card-dispensing offices.

The antidemocratic intent of voter ID laws has barely been disguised. A Pennsylvania Republican official openly declared that that state’s new ID law would help ensure that Romney carried the state.5 Governor Rick Perry of Texas rushed through a particularly strict ID law as “emergency” legislation, bypassing established procedures to ensure that the law would be in place for the coming election. Perry’s law provided that gun permits, among other official certificates, would be acceptable ID cards but that student registration cards would not.

When Republicans defend voter ID laws at all, they claim them necessary to prevent voter impersonation fraud. But there are extremely few documented cases of such fraud in recent years. Pennsylvania, when its law was challenged in federal court, declared that it did not rest its case on any assumption that fraud was a serious problem,6 and an executive of the South Carolina Election Commission conceded, in court, that the new law would not prevent voter fraud.7

Courts have declared several voter ID laws illegal, or postponed their enforcement, after extensive litigation. But Republicans try to adopt such laws shortly before an election so that litigation cannot prevent their immediate use. A Pennsylvania judge refused to enjoin its ID law while it was being tested in the courts; it was finally denied immediate effect on October 2, only weeks before the presidential election. The Pennsylvania judge ruled that people could vote without ID cards, in this election, though they could—pointlessly—still be asked to produce one. The preclearance demanded by Section 5 provides, for the historically most racist states, a much more effective barrier. Texas’s statute could not go into effect without positive clearance, and voter ID laws were refused preclearance in South Carolina.

In the Texas case, a three-judge federal court declared, in a long and painstaking opinion by Judge David Tatel of the D.C. court, that the evidence Texas offered not only failed to prove that its law was not discriminatory, as the act required it to show, but positively proved the opposite: that the law was in fact thoroughly discriminatory.

However, Shelby County, Alabama, which is covered by Section 5, has now asked the Supreme Court to declare Section 5 unconstitutional, and it has been joined by the attorneys general of five states. They were all but invited to sue by Roberts, who, in a related 2009 case, went out of his way to suggest that he thought Section 5 unconstitutional, and that he would vote to strike it down if asked to do so. “Things have changed in the South,” he said. “Voter turnout and registration rates now approach parity. Blatantly discriminatory evasions of federal decrees are rare. And minority candidates hold office at unprecedented levels.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, speaking for himself, was even clearer: “I conclude,” he said, “that the lack of current evidence of intentional discrimination with respect to voting renders Section 5 unconstitutional.” It seems likely that the rest of the right-wing justices will follow this lead and agree to strike down the preclearance requirement, perhaps in yet another 5–4 decision.

Roberts’s statement was curious. He summarily contradicted Congress on a complex judgment of fact, in spite of the extensive record of continuing discrimination that Congress compiled in renewing the Voting Rights Act in 2006, and in spite of the large majorities that voted for renewal. The recent Texas examples alone, in which obviously discriminatory redistricting plans and voter ID laws were blocked by the preclearance requirement, would seem to indicate that Congress had at least a substantial basis for its decision.

In any case, the coming Supreme Court ruling will be yet another decision testing the integrity of our democracy. From time to time, when a new justice is nominated and Senate hearings are held, the nation’s attention does shift, mildly, to constitutional issues. But these hearings are a sham: candidates say only that they believe in applying the law and senators duly nod approval.

Most politicians apparently assume that the character of the Supreme Court is too abstract an issue to figure in an election campaign. But FDR successfully campaigned against the “nine old men” who were blocking his New Deal, Nixon made the Court’s race decisions the center of his “southern strategy,” and generations of Republicans have been elected by denouncing the Court’s 1973 decision recognizing abortion rights. The record of the Roberts Court is already one of the worst in our history. In pursuing a right-wing agenda it has overruled many precedents. Next term it will probably not just strike down Section 5, but also overrule its own recent decision allowing limited affirmative action. It gives every sign of soon reversing abortion rights. Perhaps it is impossible to make independent voters alert to these dangers. If so, that is a shame."
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[onmyknees]

I don't mind Limey's sticking their nose in our election...Although one wonders why they're not sweeping up their own dirt. .It's the ones who act like they're tenured university professors, and the rest of us are first year political science students gathered at their knee to be schooled in the unfortunate ways of the Colonies. Those are the ones is I despise. Know anybody like that?

[Prospero]

What about your little bit of editing to distort his article, OMK?

[Prospero]

Now after that little of cheap dishonesty from OMK, our little house Goebbels, back to the point of this thread which is
VOTE....

But I'l hand that over to Tricia and others, of right and left, who care about democracy.

[Queens Guy]

This has been a long thread, but what do you think of marking one of you fingers with ink, the way they did in Iraq?
You could vote, but only once. At least at the polling places.

[onmyknees]

OMK - Thanks for that article written for a local paper in Lafayette North Carolina by a British born reporter. So much for limeys keeping their noses out of your election.


Interesting little bit of editing by you though. This was your version....""The audacity of it to me, it is shameful," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."


And this is what was in the original article. "The audacity of it to me, it is shameful, but both parties do it," said Talbot, a former Fayetteville city councilman. "When you haul people that are not competent and you do their voting for them, that's fraud."


Come on now OMK... you don't think we'd catch you out onf that? it gives the whole story a rather different complexion.!

True there are likely to be some abuses on both sides - and if this story is true (though interestingly the central figure has not lodged any formal complaint) then it should be further investigated. But you are sort of scraping the barrel to offer something to counterbalance the vast range of attempts by the Republicans to fix the forthcoming poll.

But a rather more significant threat to warp the entire fabric of how the electoral process in America is in prospect if the GOP win this election. The Supreme Court will need new appointments soon. Three judges are likely to retire. Romney has already indicated that he would appoint young Conservatives. Their impact would go far beyond the life of the next administration and the few that follow.

This is written by one of the USA's foremost legal experts, a professor of jurisprudence at harvard, Ronald Dworkin (excerpted from a longer article)

"If the public had been engaged, it would have been warned about a further decision compromising democracy that the Roberts Court seems poised to make. It seems likely to declare unconstitutional crucial parts of the venerable Voting Rights Act of 1965. Section 5 of that act requires all or some counties in states that have a particularly egregious record of voter discrimination in the past—Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia—to obtain a “preclearance” from the Department of Justice or from a three-judge federal court before they change their voting laws in any way. The act was a celebrated civil rights victory when first adopted, and it has been reenacted by Congress several times since, most recently in 2006 when it was extended for twenty-five years by a large majority of both houses. It places the burden of proof on a covered state to show that any new law would not have the effect of disadvantaging minority voters.

Section 5 continues to be an important safeguard of electoral fairness. Since 2010, when the Republican Party greatly expanded its power in state governorships and legislatures, it has tried through a variety of means to minimize the electoral impact of citizens likely to vote Democratic or to prevent them from voting at all, and Section 5 has been crucial in blocking the most blatant of these attempts.

When Florida recently decided to reduce the number of early-voting days, which allow people to vote who cannot take time off on Election Day, it was barred from making the change in five counties covered by the preclearance requirement. So it simply exempted those counties from the change. The Department of Justice then objected to different election schedules in different counties and required Florida to negotiate a common voting schedule for the entire state. Freed of the requirements of Section 5, Florida would have had much greater latitude to curtail early voting.

When Texas was recently awarded four additional congressional seats, the state legislature drew the new boundaries so as to reduce the chances that Hispanics would have an impact on elections in mixed districts. The plan was blocked by Section 5: neither the Department of Justice nor a federal court would grant the preclearance the act required. A three-judge federal panel said, unanimously, that the evidence left no doubt that the plan was designed to reduce the overall voting power of Hispanics in the state.

Since 2010, several states (all but one with Republican governors) have enacted laws that require voters to present official identification cards, in many cases with a photo, at the voting booth. The most common ID is a driver’s license; people who do not have one are mostly poor and disproportionately black or Hispanic. Such citizens can obtain substitute ID cards in those eleven states but only after burdensome and in some cases expensive application, often requiring applicants to travel a considerable distance to official card-dispensing offices.

The antidemocratic intent of voter ID laws has barely been disguised. A Pennsylvania Republican official openly declared that that state’s new ID law would help ensure that Romney carried the state.5 Governor Rick Perry of Texas rushed through a particularly strict ID law as “emergency” legislation, bypassing established procedures to ensure that the law would be in place for the coming election. Perry’s law provided that gun permits, among other official certificates, would be acceptable ID cards but that student registration cards would not.

When Republicans defend voter ID laws at all, they claim them necessary to prevent voter impersonation fraud. But there are extremely few documented cases of such fraud in recent years. Pennsylvania, when its law was challenged in federal court, declared that it did not rest its case on any assumption that fraud was a serious problem,6 and an executive of the South Carolina Election Commission conceded, in court, that the new law would not prevent voter fraud.7

Courts have declared several voter ID laws illegal, or postponed their enforcement, after extensive litigation. But Republicans try to adopt such laws shortly before an election so that litigation cannot prevent their immediate use. A Pennsylvania judge refused to enjoin its ID law while it was being tested in the courts; it was finally denied immediate effect on October 2, only weeks before the presidential election. The Pennsylvania judge ruled that people could vote without ID cards, in this election, though they could—pointlessly—still be asked to produce one. The preclearance demanded by Section 5 provides, for the historically most racist states, a much more effective barrier. Texas’s statute could not go into effect without positive clearance, and voter ID laws were refused preclearance in South Carolina.

In the Texas case, a three-judge federal court declared, in a long and painstaking opinion by Judge David Tatel of the D.C. court, that the evidence Texas offered not only failed to prove that its law was not discriminatory, as the act required it to show, but positively proved the opposite: that the law was in fact thoroughly discriminatory.

However, Shelby County, Alabama, which is covered by Section 5, has now asked the Supreme Court to declare Section 5 unconstitutional, and it has been joined by the attorneys general of five states. They were all but invited to sue by Roberts, who, in a related 2009 case, went out of his way to suggest that he thought Section 5 unconstitutional, and that he would vote to strike it down if asked to do so. “Things have changed in the South,” he said. “Voter turnout and registration rates now approach parity. Blatantly discriminatory evasions of federal decrees are rare. And minority candidates hold office at unprecedented levels.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, speaking for himself, was even clearer: “I conclude,” he said, “that the lack of current evidence of intentional discrimination with respect to voting renders Section 5 unconstitutional.” It seems likely that the rest of the right-wing justices will follow this lead and agree to strike down the preclearance requirement, perhaps in yet another 5–4 decision.

Roberts’s statement was curious. He summarily contradicted Congress on a complex judgment of fact, in spite of the extensive record of continuing discrimination that Congress compiled in renewing the Voting Rights Act in 2006, and in spite of the large majorities that voted for renewal. The recent Texas examples alone, in which obviously discriminatory redistricting plans and voter ID laws were blocked by the preclearance requirement, would seem to indicate that Congress had at least a substantial basis for its decision.

In any case, the coming Supreme Court ruling will be yet another decision testing the integrity of our democracy. From time to time, when a new justice is nominated and Senate hearings are held, the nation’s attention does shift, mildly, to constitutional issues. But these hearings are a sham: candidates say only that they believe in applying the law and senators duly nod approval.

Most politicians apparently assume that the character of the Supreme Court is too abstract an issue to figure in an election campaign. But FDR successfully campaigned against the “nine old men” who were blocking his New Deal, Nixon made the Court’s race decisions the center of his “southern strategy,” and generations of Republicans have been elected by denouncing the Court’s 1973 decision recognizing abortion rights. The record of the Roberts Court is already one of the worst in our history. In pursuing a right-wing agenda it has overruled many precedents. Next term it will probably not just strike down Section 5, but also overrule its own recent decision allowing limited affirmative action. It gives every sign of soon reversing abortion rights. Perhaps it is impossible to make independent voters alert to these dangers. If so, that is a shame."
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So now we're going to turn this into a discussion on the Supreme Court? I'm not suggesting that's not an issue, but you've wandered far afield here as usual. I can find my own leagl "experts" and I assure you, they don't share your view...in fact let me give you some semi-recent reality in case only the left side of your brain is functioning.
When Robert Bork came before the Senate for his confirmation hearings, he was the preeminent legal constitutional scholar in the country. His qualifications and experience were bullet proof. ( and silly us....we thought that's what the hearings were about !) Now you can deplore how he chose to interpret the Constitution, I suppose that's your prerogative as a British subject, but they so destroyed his character in an effort to defeat his confirmation, that they actually coined a new phrase "Borked".....and your buddy Biden and The Swimmer, Teddy Kennedy were behind the entire disgraceful episode, Imagine a guy like Kennedy sitting in judgement of Robert Bork ? ....It's the ultimate political irony. .so save your legal scholars feigning their indignation and dire warnings about who Romney might appoint....it's entirely hollow. ..

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/break...icle20598.html (http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html)

The Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods in Ohio reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

VOTING IS A RIGHT, VOTING IS A DUTY...VOTING IS NOT A CRIME.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

And of course OMK completely ignores the truth about his conscious choice to distort that story he posted.


And he also ignores the very serious arguments being offered by an eminent legal scholar - and chooses instead of blather on about Chappaquidick (reference to The Swimmer).


I frankly don't see why anyone on this board should take anything this character posts seriously. He is a joke and a fool. And a liar. Can you trust anything he has ever posted with his propensity for lies and distortion. I don't think so.

But what do you expect from a convicted criminal.

What ws your crime again OMK ?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Please vote Obama!!

If not for transsexuals...for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wYYX0mZsQA

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/break...icle20598.html (http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html)

The Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods in Ohio reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

VOTING IS A RIGHT, VOTING IS A DUTY...VOTING IS NOT A CRIME.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Dino Velvet]

An "I'm really making a difference too" bump.

A PSA on the house.

The More You Know: Health - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ37dDQ_jrQ)

[buttslinger]

Here's your PSA

[Dino Velvet]

Here's your PSA

I like that one too.

Hillary > Palin

[Prospero]

Bump

[Dino Velvet]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Belize_Speed_Bump_Sign.JPG

[trish]

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/break...icle20598.html (http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html)

The Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods in Ohio reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

VOTING IS A RIGHT, VOTING IS A DUTY...VOTING IS NOT A CRIME.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~bump~

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/break...icle20598.html (http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html)

The Einhorn Family Foundation is engaged in a "public service" campaign placing billboards in minority neighborhoods in Ohio reminding people that voter fraud can cost you 3.5 years in jail and a $10000.00 fine. I wonder why only minority neighborhoods were targeted? How shamefully embarrassing for the Einhorn family!

VOTING IS A RIGHT, VOTING IS A DUTY...VOTING IS NOT A CRIME.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

your vote counts.

[trish]

Yeah ... I think we'll leave it right where it is. Thanks for proving a point though.

Only one day left before the election. I want to thank you Seanchai for allowing this thread to remain in the General Discussion forum as reminder and encouragement for people to register, get their shit together and vote.

I know it was tiresome for some to have this thread bumped to the front page day after day. Thank you for your indulgence... whether you just passed it by and went on to more interesting and arousing threads, or whether you stopped and took heed or dropped a line.

Thanks again. And now just a few more bumps.

[GroobySteven]

I don't mind Limey's sticking their nose in our election...Although one wonders why they're not sweeping up their own dirt. .It's the ones who act like they're tenured university professors, and the rest of us are first year political science students gathered at their knee to be schooled in the unfortunate ways of the Colonies. Those are the ones is I despise. Know anybody like that?

LAST CHANCE OMK : Until you explain why you changed the text in that article you don't get another post on this board at all.

[broncofan]

Talk about a Machiavellian move. I can change what an article says by selectively erasing inconvenient information if it makes my position seem more tenable. It sort of reminds me of the tactic of pretending voter fraud is such a problem so we can suppress the votes of thousands of eligible voters because it would be better for us to govern anyway. The thing about democracy is that the process has to be clean for it to achieve its own end, the will of the people. You do not get there by cheating the people, silencing the people, or tricking the people.

Great catch. OMK, on the eve of the election, you live in infamy, an exile from the forum, cut off from the masses you would propagandize. For shame! (end mock surpise:)).

[buttslinger]

Voting is not some free shit Obama gave you.
Live Free or Die
The view from the top is worth all the effort in the World.

[onmyknees]

exactly what post are you referring to.....?

[GroobySteven]

exactly what post are you referring to.....?

You know exactly which post. In 543 where you changed the text from:

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/11/01/1214384?sac=fo.local

You were called out on it on 546 and 547 - but failed to answer.
So why did you change that text?

[BluegrassCat]

You know exactly which post. In 543 where you changed the text from:

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/11/01/1214384?sac=fo.local

You were called out on it on 546 and 547 - but failed to answer.
So why did you change that text?

To be fair to OMK, he selectively alters all of his posts so it's difficult to know which one people are upset about on any given day.

[broncofan]

OMK,
honesty is a good policy. 1. I didn't think anyone would notice. 2. it made my argument much stronger. 3. I realized I could change the entire meaning of the article by erasing only a few words. 4. it allowed me to take someone else's work and distort its meaning in lieu of writing my own copy.

Does he have to provide a harmless explanation? 1. I randomly erased five words and they happened to be the ones that made my argument a thousand times stronger. 2. follow my finger you are getting sleepy.

I really can't think of anything OMK. I think you're fucked.

[Cecil Rhodes]

I have stayed away from this thread because i see it as nothing but trouble and outright politics . I can't believe it has gone so far . I have stopped to see where it has gone a couple of times for a laugh . I don't know what is going on with this currently but i did look at title from the linked page .

4 years ago i had a voter at the machine next to me voting for Obama and the other Black and Democrat candidates . The guy was 20 at most and did not appear to have all of his fries in his happy meal if you know what i mean . How did i know who he was voting for ? Because there was a woman with him telling him what to do . I was lucky enough to get the POLL MANAGER'S attention with a hand signal and then point . He immediately told the woman to step away from the machine . She claimed to be his mother, then aunt and said that he had never voted before and she was just showing him what to do . The P.M. told her again to step away & if the voter needed technical assistance the POLL STAFF would help . She didn't like it but walked away .

This was 1st thing in the morning when the Polls had just opened, so you could imagine what may have gone on for the next 12 hours . I am the 1st person to vote at my Poll and just after voting i drove around looking at a few others close by . There are 4 within 3 blocks of each other . Most in churches . I found several violations at a couple and called the Police . There were campaign signs within the prohibited area of the poll and one dipshit at the 7th Day Adventist Church sitting in a foldind chair 20 feet from the exit door and 40 feet from a thoroughfare with a campaign sign waving it at traffic and at voters entering the Poll . This woman wasn't to bright either and told the police officer that it was ok because she went to church there and the church was voting for Obama . ..... I shit you not .





You know exactly which post. In 543 where you changed the text from:

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/11/01/1214384?sac=fo.local

You were called out on it on 546 and 547 - but failed to answer.
So why did you change that text?

[trish]

Lat's have a hand for Cecil Rhodes everyone...Cecil Rhodes, I shit you not. Thanks for the bump Cecil.

[Cecil Rhodes]

Lat's have a hand for Cecil Rhodes everyone...Cecil Rhodes, I shit you not. Thanks for the bump Cecil.

You are welcome .

I will admit that i did break the law that morning . I went to Krispy Kreme and got the free doughnut for voting .

[RallyCola]

You are welcome .

I will admit that i did break the law that morning . I went to Krispy Kreme and got the free doughnut for voting .

does that mean cops are voting early and often?

[Cecil Rhodes]

does that mean cops are voting early and often?

No ..... they were for anyone that showed up and said they voted . Leopold's Ice Cream is selling Banana Splits at 1/2 price to those who voted today . This is unlawful in Georgia . Part qwner Stratten Leopold is a movie producer btw .

[buttslinger]

I have stayed away from this thread because i see it as nothing but trouble and outright politics . I can't believe it has gone so far . I have stopped to see where it has gone a couple of times for a laugh . I don't know what is going on with this currently but i did look at title from the linked page .

4 years ago i had a voter at the machine next to me voting for Obama and the other Black and Democrat candidates . The guy was 20 at most and did not appear to have all of his fries in his happy meal if you know what i mean . How did i know who he was voting for ? Because there was a woman with him telling him what to do . I was lucky enough to get the POLL MANAGER'S attention with a hand signal and then point . He immediately told the woman to step away from the machine . She claimed to be his mother, then aunt and said that he had never voted before and she was just showing him what to do . The P.M. told her again to step away & if the voter needed technical assistance the POLL STAFF would help . She didn't like it but walked away .

This was 1st thing in the morning when the Polls had just opened, so you could imagine what may have gone on for the next 12 hours . I am the 1st person to vote at my Poll and just after voting i drove around looking at a few others close by . There are 4 within 3 blocks of each other . Most in churches . I found several violations at a couple and called the Police . There were campaign signs within the prohibited area of the poll and one dipshit at the 7th Day Adventist Church sitting in a foldind chair 20 feet from the exit door and 40 feet from a thoroughfare with a campaign sign waving it at traffic and at voters entering the Poll . This woman wasn't to bright either and told the police officer that it was ok because she went to church there and the church was voting for Obama . ..... I shit you not .

Sound-Effects - Crowd Laughing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Vp642ERhM)

[Prospero]

From Ekklesia - a religious news website...

GOP accused of using religion as last ditch anti-Obama scare tactic

By staff writers
6 Nov 2012


As polls indicate that the tight US presidential race between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is heading Obama's way, the Republican Party (GOP) is being accused of using religious scare tactics in a desperate attempt to swing the vote.

A Catholic bishop in a swing state released a pastoral letter this week warning his flock that "to vote for someone in favour of [the Democratic party's] positions ... could put your own soul in jeopardy."

In the archdiocese of Cardinal Timothy Dolan, a Catholic parish is distributing an endorsement of Mitt Romney.

Meanwhile, former GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee released a web video full of roaring fires, suggesting that Christians who vote for President Obama will go to hell.

Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, running on the Romney ticket, also told a group of evangelical Christians that re-electing President Obama would put the country on "a dangerous path" that erodes "Judeo-Christian, western-civilization values."

And Mitt Romney's campaign team has suggested that an Obama vote would "threaten religious freedom", citing health care packages that include contraception.

The ecumenical Faithful America group, which pushes peace and justice issues, urged its supporters to resist and expose these tactics.

In a letter to supporters, they declared: "In these final hours before the polls close, the religious right is desperately trying to frighten Christians into voting for their preferred candidate. It's up to us to remind our family, friends, and neighbours that Jesus doesn't belong to one political party, and that there are faithful Christians on both sides of this election."

The presidential candidates have largely avoided religious controversy to date, with an effective bipartisan agreement not to make Mitt Romney's Mormon faith an election issue.

But Republicans appear to have decided to press "religious buttons" hard now that they fear they are losing the election battle, say critics.

It is estimated that some 70 per cent of evangelicals lean towards the GOP, though the number of moderate and progressive evangelicals has ben increasing significantly.

Many church leaders of different denominations have objected to the co-option of faith by the big party machines.

Pew Research data indicates that attempts to delineate and target a "Catholic vote" or a "Jewish vote" are misplaced, because of the increasing diversity of the American electorate.

It has also been noted that there is a large and growing segment of the electorate that is non-affiliated in religious terms. This includes both non-believers and those who have a belief but are disillusioned with religious institutions.

Faithful America (http://www.faithfulamerica.org/) describes itself as "an online community of tens of thousands of citizens motivated by faith to take action on the pressing moral issues of our time. We come from diverse faith traditions but share a unifying commitment: to restore community and uphold the common good in America and across the globe."

[danthepoetman]

Election day. Pay attention to the OP.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well. This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)
Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

[trish]

Election day. Pay attention to the OP.If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well. This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)
Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

Thank you Dan. Today's the day. You know what to do people ->

[trish]

On the way home from work? Don't forget to stop and ->.

[martin48]

In South Africa, after the the end of apartheid in 1992 every race was able to vote. In the 1994 elections, 21.7 million people voted: for 16 million it was their first time ever. They queued for days to vote - because it was so important to them and because it had been denied to them for so long. Don't waste your vote today - people died for your rights.

[trish]

Thank you Martin.
Okay U.S.A. , time to

[fred41]

Vote.

Listen,we don't get drafted anymore in this country...and tons of people even try to get out of jury duty because they feel it's too inconvenient.
People often say many Americans don't vote because they feel it doesn't make a difference.I don't believe this at all. I think people don't vote mostly because they feel it's too inconvenient and many are just too lazy.
...But as has been said - people have died for this privilege...don't waste it.
People in some countries still risk death for this very privilege...again, don't waste it.

Please vote.

[buttslinger]

Technically, Love of Country doesn't really DO anything, on the other hand, it means everything.

[Prospero]

RIP in blessful peace this thread for four years - or at least until the mid terms

And well done to Trish and the others here who kept prodding

and thansks to Seanchai for leaving this thread in the general forum

good day sunshine

[trish]

Thanks again Seanchai.
Thank you everyone who bumped this thread in agreement with its plea or in annoyance.
To those of you who helped and encouraged others to vote, thanks.
And of course thanks to everyone who exercised their right and voted.

[RallyCola]

Vote.

Listen,we don't get drafted anymore in this country...and tons of people even try to get out of jury duty because they feel it's too inconvenient.
People often say many Americans don't vote because they feel it doesn't make a difference.I don't believe this at all. I think people don't vote mostly because they feel it's too inconvenient and many are just too lazy.
...But as has been said - people have died for this privilege...don't waste it.
People in some countries still risk death for this very privilege...again, don't waste it.

Please vote.


from the US census, about 2/3 of our population is eligible to vote, or 200,000,000 people. Roughly 116,000,000 people voted yesterday (and though that number will rise with provisional and absentee ballots) its unfortunate that so many waste their opportunity.

i'd like to personally apologize for 4 people. my mother and sister here in NYC that claimed Obama would win NY anyway so they didn't vote. My sister in law and her husband in FUCKING OHIO, both attendings at OSU, didn't vote either because they were too busy. What can I say...everyone I am related to, other than my wife, is retarded. I'm sorry.

[trish]

You can bring a horse to water...it's not your fault if it doesn't drink.

[buttslinger]

I remember Art Buchwald writing a funny column on why you don't need to vote, like a top ten list, and the one I remember is:

Two of the members of my carpool are Republican, and two are Democrats, so we just all agreed not to vote.

If Prospero had boobs, I'd kiss his ass,
Thanks to all the opinion-voicers, I love it. I love it.

SUPER-THANKS to Trish, your clarity is a never-ending mystery to me....

All's well that Ends well

[martin48]

Thanks again Seanchai.
Thank you everyone who bumped this thread in agreement with its plea or in annoyance.
To those of you who helped and encouraged others to vote, thanks.
And of course thanks to everyone who exercised their right and voted.

Good result??

[Silcc69]

Damn it got so epic in here that I missed out on this shit.