Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

[buttslinger]

....

[Prospero]

http://letmypeoplevote2012.com/

[maxpower]

The Republican rationale for ID laws is crumbling.

http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-look-voter-fraud-little-172327169--election.html

[maxpower]

Voting Wrongs NYRB Elizabeth Drew

The Republicans’ plan is that if they can’t buy the 2012 election they will steal it.
The plan, long in the making and now well into its execution, is to raise great gobs of money—in newly limitless amounts—so that they and their allies could outspend the president’s forces; and they would also place obstacles in the way of large swaths of citizens who traditionally support the Democrats and want to exercise their right to vote.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/sep/21/voting-wrongs/

[Dino Velvet]

bump:party:

Howard Stern Exposes Dumb Obama Supporters 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv0lPz-pd4)

[BluegrassCat]

bump:party:

Howard Stern Exposes Dumb Obama Supporters 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv0lPz-pd4)


LOL. The best part is the guy who seems to know a little bit about Paul Ryan but still goes along with him as Obama's VP.

[buttslinger]

bump

I heard that on Hannity's radio show today.
REGISTER AND VOTE!!

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
If you have friends or family who haven't yet registered or haven't yet acquired the proper ID's because of all the obstacles currently placed in their way, please help them out.

[Prospero]

The post from Dino from the Howard Stern show proves to me that there are an awful lot of people out there - across the spectrum - who are ill informed. Off course he chose to focus on so-called Obama supporters. Could have done the same with Romney supporters. The Tea Party have already proved - in aces - how dumb they are.

[Dino Velvet]

The post from Dino from the Howard Stern show proves to me that there are an awful lot of people out there - across the spectrum - who are ill informed.

That's right.

Remember to vote. Everyone. Even them.

[buttslinger]

Remember to vote. Everyone. .

Actually, if you're a Republican in Los Angeles, you needn't bother to vote. Obama snagged 70% of the vote in '08.


REGISTER AND VOTE

(except Dino)

[Dino Velvet]

Actually, if you're a Republican in Los Angeles, you needn't bother to vote. Obama snagged 70% of the vote in '08.


REGISTER AND VOTE


(except Dino)


I know. Gotta vote for the pot stuff though when it's on the ballot.:smoking

Free Obama Money - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkksi344cM)

[cpaowl]

The Republican rationale for ID laws is crumbling.

http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-look-voter-fraud-little-172327169--election.html

Regardless, I find it hard to believe that people in this day an age do not have a photo ID. You can't cash a check, get on an airplane, or even work without a photo ID. Even if you do not drive, you can get a state photo ID for a few dollars. Pennsylvania is providing them free of charge in some cases.

[trish]

Yes you can cash a check without a photo ID. And not everyone can afford to fly. Though some jobs require photo IDs the majority do not. Moreover those IDs will not usually contain your address which is a requirement of the new voter ID laws. Pennsylvania requires an ID with an expiration date. They aren't provided free of charge unless you're creating a lot of media attention, like celebrity finance guy Jim Cramer did last week for his Dad who had difficulty acquiring all the right papers. In many states photo student IDs won't count but gun licenses will. Oh yes, requiring an ID that can only be obtained for a fee is called a poll tax...they're illegal.

[Faldur]

Don't forget the fee to get food stamps and welfare, medicaid, social security.. they all require ID. The bastards!

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0911/you-bastards-demotivational-poster-1257969706.jpg

[trish]

Social security does not require a photo ID. In most states welfare cards do not have photos and in those States where they do the voter ID laws do not eccept them because they don't have an expiration date. See how that works. Hey, I 'm not against requiring an ID to vote. We already had that. You give two forms of ID when you register. Once you successfully registered to vote you are given a registration card. That and your signature is (or used to be) your ID to vote. I'm against the double filter ID system and implementing it just months or weeks before the election. Pennsylvania can't come up with one single case of voter fraud. Not one. Zero. Nada. Yet the GOP in that State is willing to disenfranchise 700 000 voters. Why? Hint: It has nothing to do with voter fraud.

[buttslinger]

Fixing Elections used to work in the cities for Mayor, before the FBI. But to get enough fraudulent votes to effect a presidential election, You would need Jeb Bush and the Supreme court on your side, now what are the odds on that??!!!
The fact that 17 million potential voters do not have a picture ID FAR AND AWAY outweighs the chance that ACORN is going to sneak blacks into Iowa to vote for Obama.
Because of the electoral college, (or electorial college, as Reverend Al would say) My Virginia vote counts ten times more than Dino's or Onmyknee's vote, but you'll hear both sides say how close this election will be, so complacency won't set in, and so those all-important Senate races get votes.

If any hanky panky does take place it will be in Ohio, they've already tried to shorten early voting there. Romney can't win without Ohio.



This is the greatest time to check out the prime time shows on Fox and MSNBC and CNN. If you don't watch, this is the best time to see television at it's absolute best.


REGISTER AND VOTE TO LEGALIZE POT!!!!

[Dino Velvet]

REGISTER AND VOTE TO LEGALIZE POT!!!!

I'll give 'ya a Harrumph! on that one!
Blazing Saddles (3/10) Movie CLIP - Harumphing with the Governor (1974) HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFU)

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/36000/Barack-Obama-Gender-Change-36157.jpg

[trish]

According to the clip it's a "harrumph for the governor." Okay, here's a harrumph for Governor Romney and his phoney baloney j... wait a minute, he's hasn't had a job for the last decade. Yet 20 million dollars roll in annually like clockwork! Man, why does he even want to be president? Anyway, thanks for the clip and the bump.

[Dino Velvet]

According to the clip it's a "harrumph for the governor." Okay, here's a harrumph for Governor Romney and his phoney baloney j... wait a minute, he's hasn't had a job for the last decade. Yet 20 million dollars roll in annually like clockwork! Man, why does he even want to be president? Anyway, thanks for the clip and the bump.

You bet. Another bump for the nice lady. You much for Mel Brooks, Trish?

When I was 10 my dad took me to see Blazing Saddles. Afterwards I was still talking about the scene with the beans and laughing so hard I walked into a parking meter and chipped a tooth. Blazing Saddles is to Comedy what The Exorcist is to Horror for me.

The Campfire - Blazing Saddles (5/10) Movie CLIP (1974) HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIP9KXdmO0)

[trish]

History of the World is one of my faves.

[underdog6]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)


Darn those evil republicans. Wanting to get rid of dead and voting pets. HOW DARE THEY! Your a fucking retard.

[Dino Velvet]

History of the World is one of my faves.

Another bump for the nice lady.

I asked him once if there was gonna be a History 2. He was shopping in a military surplus store I worked in when I was a teenager. Nice guy. His son was with him but no Anne Bancroft.

Here's another one...

Madonna: Obama Is 'A Black Muslim In The White House,' Deserves Votes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90bAsaeKabU)

[trish]

Darn those evil republicans. Wanting to get rid of dead and voting pets. HOW DARE THEY! Your a fucking retard.

The defendants of the law in Pennsylvania could not produce in court one case of in-person voter fraud. Not one voting dead guy, not one voting pet. You're a fucking retard.

[trish]

How's that for a nice lady? Thanks for the clip. I was looking for The Inquisition Is Here To Stay, but couldn't find it.

[Dino Velvet]

How's that for a nice lady? Thanks for the clip. I was looking for The Inquisition Is Here To Stay, but couldn't find it.

You and me are good. Here's your new clip. I got the song in my head now.

History of the World Part One-The Spanish Inquisition - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hEh2NH6teY)

[trish]

Sweet! And eight minutes long! Kisses.

[Dino Velvet]

Kisses.

In that case, let me unzip my fly, Shuga...:jerkoff

I tried to find the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mel+brooks&oq=mel+brooks&gs_l=youtube.12...43300.43300.0.43726.1.1.0.0.0.0. 0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.1.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mel+brooks%2C+long&lclk=long/a

[trish]

Now if this were a bad porn movie, the line
In that case, let me unzip my fly, Shuga... would be followed by the line
Wow, this is going take longer than eight minutes!:D

[Dino Velvet]

Now if this were a bad porn movie, the line would be followed by the line
Wow, this is going take longer than eight minutes!:D

Whatever gets me to the finish line.

As Norm MacDonald says, "You can call it a grilled cheese sandwich or whatever the Hell you want as long as there's a lotta me going UUURRRGH AAAAAHHHHHH!!!"

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/1L/esq-norm-macdonald-sports-show-041211-lg.jpg

[Dino Velvet]

Hey Trish, you much for this or you no swing that way? Any opinion? She is a legend.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=70815

[trish]

I think she's hot. I saw a piece of one of her films once where she died, went to hell and was ravaged by hundreds of horney demons one after another. I was envious.

[Dino Velvet]

I think she's hot. I saw a piece of one of her films once where she died, went to hell and was ravaged by hundreds of horney demons one after another. I was envious.

That's Devil In Miss Jones Part 3. Best gangbang scene ever. She really gets into it too. Watch it again as it holds up just fine with what's done now.

I wish I knew where to find it. (http://xhamster.com/movies/102226/vanessa_del_rio_get_gangbanged.html)

[trish]

I think the bro with the corkscrew hair was the cabbie in Total Recall (the Schwarzenoodle one).

[Dino Velvet]

I think the bro with the corkscrew hair was the cabbie in Total Recall (the Schwarzenoodle one).

One of the Dark Bros, no? Those characters made the best skin flicks with the best soundtracks. Ahhhhh... the 80s.

I thought Lois Ayres was really hot too. Nice tits and a real dirty slut. Like the punky blonde hair too.

http://static.dangerousminds.net/uploads/images/Devil-in-Miss-Jones-3-Lois-Ayres-5.jpg

[buttslinger]

I heard that on Hannity's radio show today.

I was joking when I wrote this, (Howard Stern Video) but I clicked over to Fox and Hannity was talking about it!!!

I saw Venessa Del Rio years ago, I was too cheap to spend $20 for a picture with her. I heard she was a nice lady and took great care of her kids.

As for Trish's significant others, I'm betting she seduces young students from her University of Madison Teaching job.

[Dino Velvet]

I saw Venessa Del Rio years ago, I was too cheap to spend $20 for a picture with her. I heard she was a nice lady and took great care of her kids.

Bet you'd like a do-over of that event. She seems cool and smart with definitely an interesting story to tell. I'll always like porn from that era. Some of the Buddy Woods' stuff of late had a little of that flavor and I enjoyed it. Made things fun. Worse music on the soundtrack the better as long as it's catchy.

[Willie Escalade]

I STILL have an original VHS copy of New Wave Hookers...and when I say original, I mean unedited...if you know what I mean.

[trish]

Good night gentlemen. Oh and before I leave

Sarah Silverman | Let My People Vote 2012 - Get Nana A Gun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRW5qoraTw)

Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8)

[Dino Velvet]

Good night gentlemen.

G'night Trish. Pleasant dreams.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xnukd32kvRQ/Tbf8rd9OaNI/AAAAAAAAAC8/6u9_HtAUL4g/s1600/counting-sheep.jpg

Howard Stern Exposes Obama Voters Again! 2012 Edition! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ECS8LEeI5M)

Free Obama Money - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkksi344cM)

Dirty Harry Hates Everyone - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k)

http://eyeofvigilance.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/new-black-panthers-08jpg1.jpg

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=508459&stc=1&d=1348632870

[Dino Velvet]

Kane and Daniel Bryan hug it out - [FULL SEGMENT] WWE RAW 9/3/2012 (September 03 2012) HQ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFcXclYSCkM)

[martin48]

A contribution

[Dino Velvet]

A contribution

Anybody who owns more than 5 guns definitely must vote.

[buttslinger]

Sasha Obama could beat Romney now.

[Stavros]

Fraudsters beware the Spanish Inquisition!

The Spanish Inquisition - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI)

[martin48]

Anybody who owns more than 5 guns definitely must vote.

Goes without saying.


"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - Mao Tse-Tung

[martin48]

Fraudsters beware the Spanish Inquisition!

The Spanish Inquisition - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI)


Not the comfy chair!!

[BluegrassCat]

Both parties have low information voters but only one has a low information candidate. Don't forget to vote.

Mitt Romney - Who Let the Dogs Out? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4)

[Dino Velvet]

Don't know who let the dogs out but it's not on Mitt's roof nor hanging off Barry's fork.

[BluegrassCat]

When I was a boy I believed voting was important, and boy was I right! Make sure you have your photo id.

Romney: When I Was A Boy I Thought Being Rich And Famous Would Make Me Happy, Was I Right - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsTAKhgtmvA)

[Prospero]

Re-electing the president is not the only important issue when you all go vote....

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
Make sure you meet all the voting requirements in your state. Then help your family, friends and neighbors to do the same.

[buttslinger]

There have been 25 million cases of Identity Theft in the last four years, that's more than the amount of voters with no IDs.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~bump~

[Prospero]

Bump.......

[robertlouis]

I don't understand why people are still defending the insistence by certain states on providing formal ID to resecure their right to vote when that brazen clown in Pennsylvania openly admitted that the sole intention behind their drive was to make the state safe for the Republicans. In a curious way his honesty does him just a little credit. But not much.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
Sarah Silverman | Let My People Vote 2012 - Get Nana A Gun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRW5qoraTw)

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
Please be sure you have all the documentation necessary to vote in November. Help your family, friends and neighbors if they have not yet acquired the necessary documents. Don't let anyone suppress your voice at the polls. VOTE.

[buttslinger]

The Democratic Party sent me my Absentee Ballot today. Unsolicited.

[trish]

Please be sure you have all the documentation necessary to vote in November. Help your family, friends and neighbors if they have not yet acquired the necessary documents. Don't let anyone suppress your voice at the polls. VOTE.
Bump

[Willie Escalade]

Wake the fuck up!

Wake the F**K Up (NSFW) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE)

[Willie Escalade]

Oh, yeah...some fraud WAS found. In Florida, no less. Oops!

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-voter-registration-florida-republicans-20120928,0,7654954.story

Suspicious voter registration forms found in 10 Florida counties

WASHINGTON — Florida elections officials said Friday that at least 10 counties have identified suspicious and possibly fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the Republican Party of Florida, which has filed an election fraud complaint with the state Division of Elections against its one-time consultant.

The controversy in Florida -- which began with possibly fraudulent forms that first cropped up in Palm Beach County -- has engulfed the Republican National Committee, which admitted Thursday that it urged state parties in seven swing states to hire the firm, Strategic Allied Consulting.The RNC paid the company at least $3.1 million -- routed through the state parties of Florida, Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia -- to register voters and run get-out-the-vote operations. Wisconsin and Ohio had not yet paid the firm for get-out-the-vote operations it was contracted to do.

The RNC severed its ties to the firm Thursday after questions arose about the work Strategic Allied did in Palm Beach County, where election officials have turned over to prosecutors 106 voter registration forms submitted by one worker, some of which contained apparent forgeries and other problems.

Now elections officials across Florida are scrutinizing voter registration forms turned in to their counties on behalf of the state Republican Party. The state elections division is also investigating.

Florida GOP officials – who said they hired Strategic Allied at the request of the RNC – alleged in their complaint Thursday that the firm turned in forms with fake signatures and false information, said Chris Cate, spokesman for the Division of Elections, which will turn over its findings to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Vicki Davis, president of the Florida State Assn. of Supervisors of Elections, said Friday that she had heard from elections officials in Lee, Bay, Clay, Santa Rosa, Escambia and Okaloosa counties who had also identified problematic voter registration forms turned in by the Florida GOP. Pasco County officials discovered possibly fraudulent forms during the Republican primary, Davis said.

Cate, the spokesman for the state elections division, said possibly fraudulent forms have also been reported in Miami-Dade and Duval, two of the state’s most populous counties.

The number of suspicious voter registration applications was unusual, Davis said. “There might be an occasional one, but I don’t think we’ve ever had this number of counties that have had this number of cases all at the same time,” she said.

In Santa Rosa County, elections officials found 100 problematic voter registration applications out of a batch of roughly 400 turned in by the state Republican Party.

“Anyone with any sense would have known there was something wrong,” said elections supervisor Ann W. Bodenstein.

Most were changes in current registrations filed in the names of real voters, but signatures were spelled differently than the applicants’ names. Fake house numbers were given, and date of births did not match the names. The biggest red flag was that most of the forms were missing Social Security numbers.

“It was that flagrant,” she said. “In no way did they look genuine.”

Bodenstein said it appeared that whoever had been filling out the forms had been working off a database of voters that was at least four years old. She said she thought it was the work of “bottom of the totem pole” workers who were trying to reach a certain quota in order to be paid. Bodenstein reported the suspicious forms to the Office of the State Attorney for the First Judicial Circuit of Florida, which sent out investigators Thursday.

Bodenstein stressed that elections officials would strive to protect every vote.

“We will not disenfranchise anybody,” she said.

But if fraudulent forms changing the addresses of actual voters are inadvertently processed, they could create obstacles at the polls. If someone’s address is changed within the same county, they could still cast a ballot once poll workers were able to establish that the voter was in the correct precinct.

“It’s another step the clerk, the poll worker and the voter would have to go through in order to cast a vote,” Davis said.

Things would get more complicated if a voter’s address has been changed to another county. If that were the case, the voter would be forced to cast a provisional ballot, which would be evaluated later in the week by a local canvassing board.

More than 2,000 provisional ballots were cast in Florida in 2008; less than half of those ballots were ultimately counted, according to University of Florida election law professor Daniel Smith.

Strategic Allied is run by an Arizona-based man named Nathan Sproul, who has been dogged by charges in the past that his employees destroyed Democratic registrations. No charges were ever filed.

But his reputation is such that when Sproul was tapped by the RNC to do field work this year, officials requested that he set up a new firm to avoid being publicly linked to the past allegations, Sproul told The Times. The firm was set up at a Virginia address, and Sproul does not show up on the corporate paperwork.

In an interview Thursday, Sproul blamed the problematic forms in Palm Beach on one individual and said his firm had offered to assist elections officials in identifying the problems in other counties.
------------------------------------------------
Go figure!
:werd:

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~bump~

[trish]

Wake the fuck up!

Wake the F**K Up (NSFW) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE)
Bump

[buttslinger]

Don't get mad, get even. You can make sure you're registered right on line. And right on time!! just google voter registration and your state. Check for early voting.

[buttslinger]

I talked to an escort from the backpages on the phone, she lied about her age. In her twenties, she had a high time in all the bars, alcohol and sex all the time. Now she's older, heavier, and has to work some crappy job and escort just to get by, She is also very active in gay and lesbian rights.

The statistics aren't kind to transgenders. Obama has not had a four year plan for the economy, he's always had an eight year plan. He's doing his part. He wants to change things and take you with him, but in truth it's you who has to change things to make them better.

REGISTER AND VOTE

[trish]

I talked to an escort from the backpages on the phone, she lied about her age. In her twenties, she had a high time in all the bars, alcohol and sex all the time. Now she's older, heavier, and has to work some crappy job and escort just to get by, She is also very active in gay and lesbian rights.

The statistics aren't kind to transgenders. Obama has not had a four year plan for the economy, he's always had an eight year plan. He's doing his part. He wants to change things and take you with him, but in truth it's you who has to change things to make them better.

REGISTER AND VOTE

~Bump~

[Prospero]

Good old Republicans....

if you can't win by normal methods, why not CHEAT!!!

More Suspicious Voter Forms Are Found
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ
Published: September 29, 2012



MIAMI — The number of Florida counties reporting suspicious voter registration forms connected to Strategic Allied Consulting, the firm hired by the state Republican Party to sign up new voters, has grown to 10, officials said, as local election supervisors continue to search their forms for questionable signatures, addresses or other identifiers.

After reports of suspicious forms surfaced in Florida, the company — owned by Nathan Sproul, who has been involved in voter registration efforts since at least the 2004 presidential election — was fired last week by the state Republican Party and the Republican National Committee. The party had hired it to conduct drives in Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina and Virginia.

In Colorado, a young woman employed by Strategic Allied was shown on a video outside a store in Colorado Springs recently telling a potential voter that she wanted to register only Republicans and that she worked for the county clerk’s office. The woman was fired, said Ryan Call, chairman of the Colorado Republican Party.

The Florida Division of Elections has forwarded the reports of possible fraud to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for investigation. Prosecutors in some affected counties are also investigating. It is unclear how many forms have been forwarded, in all: in Palm Beach County, the election supervisor found 106 suspicious forms, but the number in several other counties is far lower.

Bay County has found eight suspicious forms with the Republican Party registration code connected to Strategic Allied. In Pasco County, three have been found.

The state Republican Party, which paid the company $1.3 million to register voters here, said it would file an elections fraud complaint against Strategic Allied, which is based in Tempe, Ariz.

Mr. Sproul was once the executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. In 2004, his voter registration project was investigated by the Justice Department and the attorneys general in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon after widespread allegations of fraud surfaced, but no charges were brought.

Questions are now being raised about how the company’s employees were paid to register voters.

Mary Blackwell, a volunteer for the League of Women Voters in Okaloosa County, said she was registering voters this month at Northwest Florida State College. Sitting nearby was a man who said he was registering voters for the Republican Party of Florida. The man told her he received $12 an hour but had to bring in at least 10 forms to get paid.

Paul Lux, the election supervisor for Okaloosa County, a Republican who is still combing through registration forms in his office, said he was told by several “concerned citizens,” including Ms. Blackwell, that the employees were being paid for the number of forms they brought back.

In Florida, it is illegal to pay someone per registration form.

“I told my friends in the party then that paying people to do this was a bad idea, and it almost inevitably leads to problems,” Mr. Lux said. “Unfortunately, I was not proven wrong.”

Fred Petti, a lawyer for Strategic Allied, said the employees were paid only by the hour, with no quota attached. He added that they also were instructed to register anyone from any political party, not just the Republican Party.

Previous investigations of Mr. Sproul’s operations focused on efforts to register only Republicans or allegations that Democratic forms were torn up. Mr. Petti also said that Mr. Sproul cooperated with the Palm Beach County election supervisor to find out who was at fault and has offered to do the same with other election supervisors.

In Palm Beach County, one person was responsible for the fraudulent forms, officials said. Mr. Petti said he does not yet know how widespread the problem is in other counties.

Election supervisors said they have come across forms with handwriting that did not match previous registration forms, bogus addresses and other identifiers like driver’s license numbers that appeared to be invalid. But in other cases, the forms were just incomplete, which does not constitute fraud.

“Until we see what the cards are, it’s hard for us to comment,” Mr. Petti said.

Mark Anderson, the Bay County supervisor, said he has found eight questionable forms in his county, but he is looking for more. The forms had either unchecked boxes for party affiliation or signatures that looked different from previous ones. He said he had also received calls from voters who said they had not changed their party affiliation, although it appeared they had. “I don’t believe there is going to be massive numbers,” Mr. Anderson said.

Election supervisors are able to pinpoint the group responsible for the questionable forms because of a 2011 state law that tightened rules on voter registration groups. The law, which sparked lawsuits and controversy, requires groups to register with the state and have their registration number on the forms they distribute.

A provision that required groups to turn in registration forms within 48 hours was struck down in court this year. “The Republican Legislature was beaten up pretty badly, partially by myself,” Mr. Lux said. “But they seem to have been doing something to improve the process.”

[trish]

Today is the first of October. Only about a month until the election. After that you won't be bothered with this thread anymore. But please, until then make sure you, your family, your friends and neighbors have all the necessary documents and ID's in order so that you can vote on November 4th. Or get it together and vote before by absentee ballot. Don't be silenced by the obstacles that have been deliberately placed between you and the ballot box. VOTE.


Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

[Faldur]

Can we keep the bile from the political forum in the political forum. This is a thread about voter Id, how about we keep it to the topic.

The encouragement for people to vote is awesome, that message should be non-political. It's what a person/citizen can and should do to make sure they're opinion is counted.

[buttslinger]

November sixth - The Day WE Decide!! May God Bless you and God Bless America!!

[trish]

Can we keep the bile from the political forum in the political forum. This is a thread about voter Id, how about we keep it to the topic.

The encouragement for people to vote is awesome, that message should be non-political. It's what a person/citizen can and should do to make sure they're opinion is counted.
The bile is yours, we're just trying to counteract it.

Today is the first of October. Only about a month until the election. After that you won't be bothered with this thread anymore. But please, until then make sure you, your family, your friends and neighbors have all the necessary documents and ID's in order so that you can vote on November 6th. Or get it together and vote before by absentee ballot.

Don't be silenced by the obstacles that have been deliberately placed between you and the ballot box. VOTE.

[Prospero]

I have posted no "bile" here - simply some well researched and documented articles by academics and, most recently, a factual news story about a seeming Republican attempt to fix the ballot. The response to that (off camera so to speak) could be cussin' (for being found out), cheers (for it being found out), raised eyebrows and a lot of other things.

[Prospero]

If a state would like to see your id to ensure you meet requirement A & B your fucked. Grow a pair and get over it. Really your embarrassing yourself.

Oh yes...Talking of bile...

and if we were to seriously try to eliminate that OMK's posts would have to be deleted plus some of yours, Faldur.

[duplicatt]

Obama has not had a four year plan for the economy, he's always had an eight year plan.
Then why did he tell us he'd have it fixed in three years or he would likely be a goner?

Obama One Term Proposition: "I Will Be Held Accountable" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAMdUNo2Cg)

[StlyeMeCunty]

No voting for me this year unfortunately :(

[Prospero]

Stiye... that leaves a big unasked and unanswered question?

[buttslinger]

Then why did he tell us he'd have it fixed in three years or he would likely be a goner?

Because he's a brilliant politician.

[Prospero]

Bump....

[duplicatt]

Because he's a brilliant politician.
Is that supposed to be facetious?

[Prospero]

Bump

[maxpower]

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A judge on Tuesday blocked Pennsylvania's divisive voter identification requirement from going into effect on Election Day, delivering a hard-fought victory to Democrats who said it was a ploy to defeat President Barack Obama and other opponents who said it would prevent the elderly and minorities from voting.
Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson said in his ruling that he was concerned by the state's stumbling efforts to create a photo ID that is easily accessible to voters and that he could not rely on the assurances of government officials at this late date that every voter would be able to get a valid ID.


http://news.yahoo.com/judge-halts-pa-tough-voter-id-requirement-135928620.html

[trish]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/judge-halts-pa-tough-new-voter-id-requirement/

:banana::banana::dancing::dancing::dancing: :wiggle: :wiggle::claps:claps:claps :claps:rock2:rock2 :rock2:peanutbutter:peanutbutter

[buttslinger]

Commonwealth Court Judge Homer Simpson said that he was concerned by the state's stumbling efforts to create a photo ID


Nelson Muntz - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_4bLNM0axE)

[trish]

Judge Simpson first ruled in favor of the Pennsylvania ID law, but the Pennsylvania Supreme Court sent the decision back to him saying he must find against unless he can demonstrate no Pennsylvania voter would be disenfranchised by the law. The reluctant Judge Simpson’s new finding is this: Voters can be asked for a photo ID but they cannot be prevented from voting if they don’t have one.

So if you’re a Pennsylvania voter, you may be asked for a photo ID. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED. If you don’t have one, INSIST ON A BALLOT. YOU CANNOT BE PREVENTED FROM VOTING ON THE GROUNDS OF NOT HAVING A PHOTO ID.

[buttslinger]

So if you’re a Pennsylvania voter, you may be asked for a photo ID. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED.

he he,....the hustle never ends....


Know Your Rights

THEY DO

[onmyknees]

Hold the party favors and champagne all you MSNBC zombies and half truthers. Let's tell the entire story......the constitutionality of the photo ID law was upheld. Read that sentence again. What the judge was concerned about was the rate photo ID's were being issued and the pending upcoming election. Seems reasonable given the calender....So...if you're not legal, not who you say you are, just dropped in from a distant planet, or the dog ate your license, you have one election left to participate....enjoy !

[trish]

enjoySo it looks like a decision we all can enjoy. Thanks for the bump.


Judge Simpson first ruled in favor of the Pennsylvania ID law, but the Pennsylvania Supreme Court sent the decision back to him saying he must find against unless he can demonstrate no Pennsylvania voter would be disenfranchised by the law. The reluctant Judge Simpson’s new finding is this: Voters can be asked for a photo ID but they cannot be prevented from voting if they don’t have one.

So if you’re a Pennsylvania voter, you may be asked for a photo ID. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED, even if you don’t have one, INSIST ON A BALLOT. YOU CANNOT BE PREVENTED FROM VOTING ON THE GROUNDS OF NOT HAVING A PHOTO ID.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~bump~

[buttslinger]

Hold the party favors and champagne all you MSNBC zombies and half truthers. Let's tell the entire story......

I can't wait to hear your gratious and heartfelt concession speach........

[Prospero]

Bump....

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)bump

[buttslinger]

....

[Dino Velvet]

http://s6.postimage.org/fi0nfie75/tumblr_mbcl9j_CBIh1rekkeio1_400.jpg

[Prospero]

Bump.....

[buttslinger]

Mitt wants to foreclose on Mr Roger's Neighborhood. He want's Elmo to show his birth certificate.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~bump~

[Prospero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2z12h8khbs&feature=youtu.be

[Faldur]

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2011/2/22/fed00166-7756-442e-804a-486b3fc5593f.jpg

[Prospero]

Faldur makes a rare visit with some drivel. We'd expect better of you, sir.

[trish]

In person voter fraud exists in Faldur's head. It was implanted there compliments of FOX and Friends. In actual fact in-person voter fraud is virtually non-existent. It exists neither in Chicago nor Toledo, not in Scranton, not in Gainesville. It exists nowhere. When a Pennsylvania Judge asked the defenders of the law to produce just one case of in-person voter fraud they couldn't do it...they couldn't provide a single case...not one. They couldn't find one dead man who voted, not one Mickey Mouse, not a single Popeye, not a cat, not a dog, not a single undocumented worker. In-person voter fraud is an imaginary fear implanted in the servile empty minds of idiots who will believe anything from time traveling Christs to homosexuals cause natural disasters. Don't be a pawn. Don't let the voter suppression laws stop your voice. Get your documents in order, help your family, friends and neighbors to get their documents ready, then get out there and VOTE.

[buttslinger]

Faldur has a point, most people have a picture ID.
I have like 20 pieces of plastic with my name on it, I have a passport and work ID with my picture, but the only ID I have with my current address and photo is my driver's license, and for whatever reason, MILLIONS of registered voters do not have a current driver's license.

[Faldur]

Lol, the love is really touching, (wipes a tear away). If you look back at my posts, I really don't think you will see me proposing that voter fraud is taking place. I do however believe a state has the right to require what they wish as long as it is not in conflict with federal voting requirements.

My state has all mail ballot, we have not gone to the poll for many years. Once registered your ballot is mailed to your residence. Vote in the privacy of your living room and return by mail. I personally love it. But it was our state that determined how we would vote. I did have to show my photo id when i registered. And from there my signature, which is on record with my registration, is my proof of citizenship.

This has been a great thread with comments on both sides if id requirement at the polling place is prejudicial. I do not believe so. But if you don't like how your state votes, petition to change it, or move. You have that freedom.

[Faldur]

Faldur makes a rare visit with some drivel. We'd expect better of you, sir.

I'm always in general.. just not the political forum, life's too short for that much hate.

[trish]

Thanks for the bump

[Dino Velvet]

Damn pothole

[Faldur]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/09/19/parks-recreation-lucy-lawless-2.jpg

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
Don't be a pawn. Don't let the voter suppression laws stop your voice. Get your documents in order, help your family, friends and neighbors to get their documents ready, then get out there and VOTE.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~bump~

[Prospero]

Bump

[buttslinger]

The spirit of Ronald Reagan is alive and well.... "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story"

[Faldur]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c8.0.403.403/p403x403/523739_10151202265514841_764979478_n.jpg

[onmyknees]

LMAO.....So let me get this straight.....The same folks who can't get the active military absentee ballots out to our Armed Forces in time, are going to check the felony status of incarcerated voters after they submit thier ballots? That's rich ! Give 'em all ballots and someone will sort it out........
And why not....convicted felons seem to be an important part of the democratic constituency. Ask Acorn.


Dane Co. Sheriff Says He Won’t Stop Felon Voters (http://mediatrackers.org/2012/10/08/dane-co-sheriff-says-he-wont-stop-felon-voters/)

http://mediatrackers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Mahoney-300x297.jpg (http://mediatrackers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Mahoney.jpg) Sheriff Dave Mahoney, Photo Credit: Capitol Times

By: Brian Sikma
In a battleground state where voter fraud has been an issue in previous presidential elections, one leading county sheriff is saying his office won’t stop ineligible felon voters from casting a ballot. An internal memo from the Dane County Sheriff’s Office instructed deputies and other staff assigned to the county jail to facilitate the absentee ballot requests of inmates. Sent from Lt. Mark Twombly, the memo specifically instructed law enforcement officials to not check on the felony status of inmates and to help everyone vote regardless of their criminal record. In Wisconsin an individual serving jail time for a felony or under parole or supervision for a felony may not cast a ballot.
Checking on whether or not an inmate is a felon would require a quick and simple check of the county law enforcement’s computer system. “It is going to be up to their polling location to research whether they are allowed to vote based on their criminal record, not the DCSO [Dane County Sheriff's Office],”Twombly wrote in a memo distributed to staff.
The decision by the sheriff’s office to ignore felon status for inmate voters means that law enforcement officials will not be working to prevent further legal violations on the part of those in their custody.
During an in-studio radio interview (http://www.slysoffice.com/) with a Madison talk show host on Monday, Sheriff Dave Mahoney attacked the whistleblower deputy and the Milwaukee talk show host who blogged (http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesykes/172958621.html) about an e-mail the deputy sent him. Mahoney called the whistleblower and talk show host “unethical” and said he couldn’t believe one of his officers would release the internal memo. The sheriff suggested that the deputy acted in an unprofessional fashion.
Mahoney vigorously denied that his office is facilitating possible voter fraud. “Absolutely not, we are not,” he told the radio show host. But by not checking an inmate’s potential felony status, Mahoney is shifting his own responsibility to enforce the law on to municipal clerks. In the aftermath of Wisconsin’s hyper-intense political season of the past 18 months, many local clerks’ offices are worn down.
When Mahoney does not enforce the law in his own jail it adds a burden to the workloads of strained municipal clerks.
An official with the Madison City Clerk’s office told Media Trackers that it was possible for the office to check a list of those who request absentee ballots against the State Voter Registration Service. The SVRS is run by the Government Accountability Board, which attempts to cross-reference the database with Department of Corrections’ records.
The GAB came under scrutiny lately (http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/10/update-romney-campaign-may-sue-to-guarantee-wisconsins-military-voters-ballot-access/) after it was found that the board, which serves as the top election oversight agency in the state, missed an important federal deadline for mailing absentee ballots to oversees voters, including military personnel from Wisconsin.
According to the Madison Clerk’s office, if a voter is listed as inactive at a particular address the absentee ballot will not be mailed. Newly registered voters who ask for absentee ballots immediately after registering are not immediately a part of the voter database system the clerk’s office said.
Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus told Media Trackers that if a crosscheck of absentee requests against the state voter file turns up an inactive registration, clerks in her area would not send an absentee ballot. This assumes that the state database is always up to date.
In defending his decision to let potential voter fraud slip through, Mahoney said his present policy does not differ from that of previous sheriffs in Dane County. Mahoney has suffered repeated criticism from conservatives for his ongoing unwillingness to enforce the law on liberal protesters who harass and intimidate political opponents and staff in and around the state capitol in downtown Madison.
Dane County is the second most populous county in the state and has the highest proportional percentage of Democratic voters.
Lt. Twombly, the author of the memo prohibiting Sheriff’s Office officials from enforcing state election law, signed a petition (http://images.iverifytherecall.com/images/sw/sw013343.png) to recall Governor Scott Walker from office.
The Dane County Sheriff may insist that his office does not have a role in enforcing election law, but local law enforcement officials around the state have been involved in enforcement efforts before. Earlier this year the Racine County Sheriff’s Department was called upon to investigate allegations of suspect election activities related to the June recall election. During the 2004 presidential campaign the Milwaukee Police Department played an active role in enforcing election laws.

[trish]

Yet the new voter laws only address in-person voter fraud which demonstrably never happens but in a blue moon. At the same time these laws disenfranchise millions of legitimate voters. Don't be one of them. Get your documentation. Help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and vote.

[buttslinger]

Ohio Republicans announced today they're ready to go all the way to the Supreme Court to outlaw early voting in their state.
Get me Roberts on the phone.

Vegas oddsmakers had Romney with a 15% chance of winning the election last week, this week it's up to 30%
Would some of you Republicans put some cash down on Mitt? I need a new car.

And don't worry, when Obama wins everyone is still allowed to send four or five grand a year to Rich People. They need your help to create jobs.

Help Chloe save Big Bird. VOTE

[Prospero]

Voter fraud?

[Faldur]

Not sure of the "1 in 1mil" portion of that Prosp. 2008 state wide election in Minnesota, 1,099 ineligible voters, (felons), cast ballots. Thats 1,099 out of 2.9mil. Voter fraud is very real, not sure id is the solution. But definitely not something to scoff at. No matter which side your on. Both sides would sell their young children to get elected.

[trish]

... 2008 state wide election in Minnesota, 1,099 ineligible voters, (felons), cast ballots.
Not true. Indeed it's a lie. It has been alleged that 1099 etc., but the State only found enough evidence to bring 243 to trial and of those won only 66 convictions, none of which (as far as I'm aware) was for in-person voter fraud which is the only type of fraud targeted by the GOP laws. As Pennsylvania republican Turzai says, the new voter ID laws are designed to suppress the democratic vote and put Romney in the White House.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~~bump~~

[onmyknees]

Uh-oh....Another O'keefe Vid this time from an actual employee of the DNC......but at least her heart was in the right place ! :dancing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q_iJfnbMzI0#!


Got a new campaign slogan for you Trish...."We're glad Brietbart is dead and GM is in debt".

[trish]

Thanks for the bump.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)


Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

Bump......



[]Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.[/COLOR]

and remember what you're voting against....

[Cecil Rhodes]

Bump......




and remember what you're voting against....

You forgot quite a few Prospero

[Prospero]

Disgraceful post Faldur. It is utterly disgraceful to suggest that voting democrat is a vote in favour of terrorism. You should be ashamed of yourself. An insult to the memory of the democrats among others who died in 9/11.

NB: I did not remove your post. This was done by the site administrator i believe.

[trish]

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

bump

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)~~bump~~Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

Biden laughs at Ryan's jokes, but Ryan didn't know he was joking.
Fox wheels out grieving Benghazi Mother to silence laughs.


The System works.

VOTE!!!


PRO CHOICE IS PRO LIFE. VOTE YES ON AMERICA.

[Willie Escalade]

I think I'm going to vote this year.

[buttslinger]

Don't listen to those misleading Democratic TV ads-
Six Multi-Billionaires CAN't be wrong!!!!!

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~~bump~~

[broncofan]

Remember that if you cannot vote because Republicans have worked so hard to make it difficult for you to be part of the franchise you have all the more motive to find a way.

There's no denying it. They are using voter fraud to purge people from voter rolls, they are using the id issue, a seemingly sensible requirement to discourage the poor and the working class. But this only acknowledges that they're losing their grip on the public. There's a limit to what they can do and in time their efforts will be thwarted in the courts. In the meantime do anything you can to cast a vote against their underhanded and racist attempts to silence you.

[broncofan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-allowing-florida-to-remove-about-200-potentially-ineligible-voters-from-rolls/2012/10/04/83bb5268-0e6e-11e2-ba6c-07bd866eb71a_story.html

This ruling is about a week and a half old but I haven't been following too closely. Federal law makes it illegal to purge voters within 90 days of an election. I imagine this is done so that if people are mistakenly purged they have the opportunity to correct the error. Here, a federal judge said that Florida election officials can remove 198 people from the rolls because they are suspected of being non-citizens. Personally, since this is a federal law that states voters should not be purged within 90 days it should not matter the reason. While I don't want non-citizens to vote, the risk that Florida, a Republican run state misidentifies individuals and suppresses votes is significant. Note that they initially had a much larger list of voters to purge until numerous obvious mistakes were found in it. They could have acted more than 90 days out when any mistakes they made could be corrected. That is not their intent. Voter suppression is. And the Judge? A Reagan appointee. I hope to read the actual opinion soon.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~~bump~~

[buttslinger]

Why do we even have to discuss this?
The Republicans DESTROYED the economy of the entire World four years ago!!
end of story!
Did half the country sleep through that?
How many times do you have to say it?
VOTE!!!!

[onmyknees]

In Rhode Island where ethnic minorities and Democratic lawmakers are disproving the notion that voter identification laws are really about “voter suppression” and “racial discrimination.”
In response to multiple voter fraud complaints from his own constituents in Providence, Sen. Harold Metts, a black Democrat, led the charge in favor of a new photo voter identification law that is now operative in the Ocean State. Metts is far from alone, however. In fact, despite what the media would have you believe, minorities are more likely to support identification laws than white Americans.




However the legalities play out with regard to Gemma’s allegations, there is no getting around the hard fact that there is a long history of voter fraud in Rhode Island that calls out for serious reform, Sen. Metts, the lead sponsor of the voter ID bill, said in an interview. Although voter ID laws have stirred controversy in other states, the weight of evidence demonstrates that they are necessary, but must be carefully crafted, he noted.
“We always need to be concerned about potential disenfranchisement, and as lawmakers, we want to be mindful about becoming overly restrictive,” Metts said. “But we can no longer ignore the voter fraud issue. It would be a disservice to the citizens of Rhode Island to ignore either voter fraud or disenfranchisement; we had to bring balance.”
Rhode Island’s new law was tested for the first time during April’s presidential primary, when voters were asked to show drivers’ licenses, passports, birth certificates, or health club IDs. Voters who did not have the necessary identification were permitted to cast provisional ballots. Beginning in 2014, only a photo ID will be accepted, but the state will provide free IDs to anyone who needs them, and provisional ballots will remain in effect for anyone who lacks an ID on Election Day.
“I do feel validated by what has transpired recently, and I think everyone who supports voter ID should feel validated,” Metts said. “I had my own constituents come to me and complain about voter fraud, so we know it happens. Other states should look to Rhode Island as a model for voter ID laws. We did it right, and we did it in a way that was fair.”
Since 2011, Rhode Island is the only state with a Democratic legislature to pass a new voter ID requirement. The laws tend be more controversial in states where both parties are politically competitive and where a few votes could swing close elections, Metts suggested. There is no danger of the law “upsetting the apple cart” and turning Rhode Island into a Republican state, he said.
While there may valid concerns about some of the restrictions attached to certain Voter ID laws, Metts sees room for common ground.
“The keyword is balance,” he said. “There’s always a concern about disenfranchisement, and we should make every effort to ensure that everyone who is eligible to vote can vote. But it has gotten to the point where there is such fear over disenfranchisement that people just buried their heads when it comes time to deal with voter fraud, and that is not healthy for our democracy.”
By raising the bogus specter of racism to undermine and discredit new ID laws, the news media is doing a great disservice to those Americans who are victimized by voter fraud. The list includes Democratic Rep. Anastasia Williams (http://www.oceanstateteapartyinaction.com/ocean_state_tea_1/VOTER_ID_BILL.html), an African-American from Providence, RI, who was turned away from the polls after someone illegally voted in her place.
While it is fair for the news media to point out that Republicans have been the driving behind most of the new voter ID laws, it routinely fails to inform readers that a broad cross-section of Americans across party and racial lines support those same voter ID laws. In doing so, the NYT, and other liberal-leaning outlets, do a great disservice to those who are the victims of voter fraud.
In fact, polls show (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2012/73_think_photo_id_requirement_before_voting_does_n ot_discriminate) that minorities actually favor voter ID by a slightly higher margin than white Americans. John Fund, a senior editor for the American Spectator, who has authored several books on voter fraud, told audience members gathered at the “True the Vote” (http://truethevote.org/) Summit in Houston earlier this year that those polls results should not be surprising.
“I believe the biggest victims of voter fraud today are minorities,” Fund said. “They obviously support [voter ID]; they think voter fraud is a more serious problem than anyone … Their leadership has failed them by yelling racism in a crowded little theater and by dividing us rather than uniting us. Their entire edifice is built on fraud and misrepresentation.”


You libs are probably winning the argument in here, but this place is hardly a cross section of society, it's a den of left wing inequity in here...sorry to break that to ya. .....but you're losing in the courts and in the court of public opinion. By next election, almost all states will have some form of voter ID requirements. Sorry, but you lose. My work here is done. :loser::loser:

[trish]

In-Person Voter Fraud is non-existent. The only kind of voter fraud addressed by GOP lawmakers is In-Person Voting Fraud.

Don't be turned away at the polls. Find out the voting requirements of your State. Get the documentation in order. Help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs in order. Then go out and VOTE.

[broncofan]

Any effective law should be rationally related to a legitimate government purpose. On its face requiring identification seems like a rational means of preventing voter fraud, a legitimate government end. However, when the side effect of remedying voter fraud is voter suppression of a much larger quantum, the legislation is what is called over-inclusive. It might be upheld in the long run but then we will develop more effective ways of getting out the vote. Either way, it's transparent how the law is being used and people won't forget what the Republicans stand for by taking such a tack.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~~bump~~

[martin48]

Is this a fair analysis of US voters?

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/world-affairs/2012/10/richest-states-will-vote-obama-and-poorest-states-will-vote-romney

[Willie Escalade]

Is this a fair analysis of US voters?

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/world-affairs/2012/10/richest-states-will-vote-obama-and-poorest-states-will-vote-romney

Yes.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

I plan to do my part helping the job creators by allowing Romney to refile his 2011 tax returns to pay only 9% instead of 14% on Nov. 7.

Can't wait to see his Fox Show on varmint hunting saturday mornings.

Tune in tuesday to see what a world leader does when his back is to the wall.

Political theatre at it's best.


VOTE VOTE VOTE

[Willie Escalade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5wQ_OkYwZc (http://www.youtube.com/v/h5wQ_OkYwZc)

[onmyknees]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/politicians_say_advertisement.html


This is classic. Now a mere billboard stating the obvious is offensive and likened to Jim Crow. Is there anything that isn't racist anymore?

I think you libs need to worry about voter depression (with Obama) and stop this foolishness about voter supression. :loser:

[trish]

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Faldur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5wQ_OkYwZc (http://www.youtube.com/v/h5wQ_OkYwZc)

Thats some funny stuff there..

[trish]

Thanks for the bump. Don't forget...Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/politicians_say_advertisement.html


This is classic. Now a mere billboard stating the obvious is offensive and likened to Jim Crow. Is there anything that isn't racist anymore?

I think you libs need to worry about voter depression (with Obama) and stop this foolishness about voter supression. :loser:

There is well documented evidence of the GOP across the US conspiring to disenfranchise vters - particularly african Americans. So the lord high propagandist of the loony right has his head up his bottom - once again.

[buttslinger]

If you're a Republican and you're not talking about capital gains taxes, estate taxes over 5.12 million, corporate tax rates, then you don't know what you're talking about. Abortion, guns, immigration, that's the shit they sell the tourists.


Tonight should be the night. Prime Time.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
~~bump!!
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[trish]

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

bump... I don't have the vote in your land, but you all do... "a british know-it-all"

[Cuchulain]

The republiCON dirty tricksters are rolling out their OTHER voter suppression tactics earlier than usual this year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/voter-suppression-tricksters_n_1970272.html

'
Some African American, Spanish-speaking and elderly voters in Florida and Virginia are apparently being targeted by anonymous voter-suppression groups trying to trick them or intimidate them into not voting in the November presidential election, according to election officials and voter protection organizations.
The Virginia State Board of Elections (http://www.pwcgov.org/Documents/RumorBuster.pdf) is warning residents that "some Virginia voters, particularly older Virginians, are receiving phone calls from unidentified individuals informing voters that they can vote over the phone. This information is false."...
Other historical attempts at voter suppression have included calls, fliers and even door-to-door campaigns trying to trick people into not going to vote. One of the most infamous attempts was in Virginia in 2008, when a flier (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Misinformation_campaign_tells_Dems_to_vote_1028.ht ml) was distributed telling Democrats they were supposed to vote on Wednesday, not Tuesday.
The disinformation campaign would appear to be a sort of illegal corollary to the Republican-backed campaign to demand photo identification from voters. What opponents say they seem to have in common is an intent to particularly block or dissuade African American, Latino and elderly voters from casting ballots.'

[Faldur]

Don't let the hate, aimed at keeping you home, win the day. Vote, its your voice, let it be heard.

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/17/post-presidential-debate-obama-supporters-renew-vows-to-murder-mitt-romney/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 17, 2012
Despite numerous media outlets attempting to downplay the issue, Twitter exploded last night following the debate with new threats from Obama supporters to assassinate Mitt Romney if he defeats Obama in the presidential race.

Full article here (http://www.infowars.com/threats-to-assassinate-romney-explode-after-debate/).

[buttslinger]

it dont matter the game
the aim is the same
protect honor serve
VOTE

[Prospero]

Faldur of course takes all that twitter nonsense seriously. What a joke this character is.

[Faldur]

Ok BS, I could look at the picture on the left all day, thanks for posting it.

Prosp, the double standard and complete intolerance of anyone who believes differently from those on the left is amazing. You'll note if you glance at the article these were all active twitter accounts. What I believe or take seriously is my business and part of living a free life. I will however bet strongly the secret service will be taking the tweets very seriously, (just as soon as they sober up). If this had been conservatives making these threats it would be front page news. Funny how prejudice like this is just overlooked, when it comes from the "right" side.

My ballot arrives any day, and my voice will be heard. All Americans should do the same, no matter the political position. Were all still Americans, some of us have not lost sight of that.

[Prospero]

You are quite right to ensure your voice is heard - and that of everyone ese who should and could vote .
As for the twitterati... Faldur, I will bet there are plenty of tweets from the other side also which you don't bother to highlight. Just as all those racist thugs hanging around on the fringes of tea party rallies.
Yes people who make death threats should certainly be taken seriously (up to a point) though I'll warrant 99.9 per cent of people who tweet from either side of the spectrum are just loudmouthed twerps with anger - but no real intention of violence - in their hearts. The reason i ridiculed you is somehow you offer this barrel scraping in place of genuine comment. Oh well...that other post you put here, suggesting voting democrat was helping terrorists kill Anericans (removed ny the site owner) was so disgusting it revealed the level of your political depth and your contempt for debate.

[trish]

What I believe or take seriously is my business ...Only when you keep it and its consequences to yourself. Once you broadcast your beliefs (in an effort to persuade others no less) you made it public business.

Nevertheless...
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Faldur]

Oh well...that other post you put here, suggesting voting democrat was helping terrorists kill Anericans (removed ny the site owner) was so disgusting it revealed the level of your political depth and your contempt for debate.

Well I'm sure its shocking to find out, but my idea of what is "so disgusting" differs from yours. I felt the post was completely acceptable and very true to the point. We are giving money we borrow from China to people who wish us harm. It is insane and wrong no matter which political party is doing it. The image I posted was no worse than many that are posted here and in the political forum. Mine just shined a poor light on the wrong party, hence its no longer here.

You and I differ on many if not most social issues. But I always read and respect your opinions because they are well thought out and intelligent.

[trish]

Thanks for the bumb.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

Thanks for the cool poster, Trish, I might put you in my binder full of women.
bumpo

[Faldur]

Thanks for the bumb.

You can have all the bumps you would like, its for a good cause.

[Dino Velvet]

You can have all the bumps you would like, its for a good cause.

Here's a pothole from LA too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Large_pot_hole_on_2nd_Avenue_in_New_York_City.JPG/640px-Large_pot_hole_on_2nd_Avenue_in_New_York_City.JPGh ttp://www.canyon-news.com/artman2/uploads/3/20000_potholes_to_be_filled_mayor_villaraigosa.jpg

[trish]

You can have all the bumps you would like, its for a good cause.Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[Prospero]

Bump.

Vote you folk.

[buttslinger]

My name is Bert T Scjinginger and I approved this message.


bump

[trish]

Various superacidss are now nagged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighnorhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[Faldur]

Maybe knowing which day to vote is a useful intelligence filter. The billboard also tells you to buy a toyota, smoke Kool's, use Masingale douche, and how to vote. Hopefully our citizenry are able to think for themselves.

[buttslinger]

Hopefully our citizenry are able to think for themselves.

Don't let Fox News hear you say that, Faldur.

[trish]

Various superpacs are now engaged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighborhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[Faldur]

Don't let Fox News hear you say that, Faldur.

I had my Faux news jamming equipment deployed prior to my post.. don't want my lifetime gold membership card cancelled.

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/standard/jammer.jpg

[trish]

Maybe knowing which day to vote is a useful intelligence filter. The billboard also tells you to buy a toyota, smoke Kool's, use Masingale douche, and how to vote. Hopefully our citizenry are able to think for themselves.Are you actually making excuses for disinformation? Is disinformation is okay with you?

Various superpacs are now engaged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighborhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)bump

[Faldur]

Are you actually making excuses for disinformation? Is disinformation is okay with you?

If a billboard tells you to buy a toyota and you do, even though you can't afford it, don't need or want it. Who's fault is it?

The oldest gag in the world is telling a certain political persuasion that the voting has not been changed that party x votes on the 6th and party y votes on the 7th. I would not call that disinformation, I would consider it an intelligence test. If your going to believe what ever I put on a billboard, what fun I'm going to have.

There is no cure for "stupid".

[buttslinger]

It is a tad troubling that like, almost maybe NONE of the HA Beauties has come out for the Big O, maybe it's business... I didn't put an Obama sign in my yard til my neighbor gave me one, I didn't want half the neighborhood to hate me, but, my other neighbor works on news radio and can't put up a sign, so my sign is working double time.I think Maybe I respect the people that put up Romney signs more than those that don't vote at all.
Please hear the back story to voter fraud, the courts are slapping down these corrupt Republican "lawmakers" and reversing a lot of these laws about IDs and early voting, and I think absolutely everyone knows Romney's speeches have more lies than my Alt.com bio, but the one thing I can't understand is why, after eight years of Bush-Cheney could ANYONE vote for that funny walkin Mitt and his little tag-along leashed mutt Ryan. JESUS!!
I'd personally pay my $3,500 to get us out of debt before I'd let Romney and his gangster friends get their fuckin hands on it.

VOTING IS BEAUTIFUL

[buttslinger]

If a billboard tells you to buy a toyota and you do, even though you can't afford it, don't need or want it. Who's fault is it?
here is no cure for "stupid".

By all means, if you want a government that preys on the stupiditry of it's countrymen, vote republican.

Taxes get twenty percent of most people's paycheck, for roads, schools, miltary defense, parks, etc......Businessmen get the other eighty percent for mortgages, cars, food, clothing,etc.
Kreep the businessmen out of the government!!!!!!!!

[trish]

Are you actually making excuses for disinformation? Is disinformation is okay with you?


If a billboard tells you to buy a toyota and you do, even though you can't afford it, don't need or want it. Who's fault is it?

The oldest gag...It's not a gag, it's a con to disenfranchise voters in the neighborhoods in which these signs were placed and where these flyers were distributed and to whom these phone calls were made. Faldur you could have just answered, "Yes, I'm making excuses for the current disinformation campaigns." And why is that? Because you know it's your party that's engaged in this despicable practice and it's your candidate who stands to gain.

Various superpacs are now engaged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighborhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[Faldur]

And why is that? Because you know it's your party

Actually I'm intelligent enough to know that both parties would sell there souls and children to get elected. How does someone get so blind that they refuse to look at there own sides doings. My party is a mess, one reason I am a registered independent. I hate to break it to you, but the democrats are just as broken as the republicans.

Independently formulating your own opinion, and voting at every election opportunity. If you live that there is no wrong, there is only freedom.

[Prospero]

The Democrats have problems (a key one of which is the total intransigence of Congress controlled by a tea party-frightened Republican majority who were prepated to force the country to its knees rather than back the President)

but the Democrats are not dedicated to bleeding the poor and cutting taxes for the rich and sorting it all out by some hypothetical formula which Romney won't even make public - nor running a man for VP who is a disciple of that prophet of selfishness and hate for the poor Ayn Rand..

[trish]

The Democrats have problems (a key one of which is the total intransigence of Congress controlled by a tea party-frightened Republican majority who were prepated to force the country to its knees rather than back the President)

but the Democrats are not dedicated to bleeding the poor and cutting taxes for the rich and sorting it all out by some hypothetical formula which Romney won't even make public - nor running a man for VP who is a disciple of that prophet of selfishness and hate for the poor Ayn Rand..And the GOP says they stand for family values...yeah, right:roll: What family teaches their children that selfishness is a virtue?


Various superpacs are now engaged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighborhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[broncofan]

Every problem the Democrats have, the Republicans also have. For instance, money plays too important a role in the political process and so legislation will often take into account the interests of private insurance companies, bank lobbyists, or foreign lobbyists who exert some control over the electoral process simply by nature of the way our system is set up. However, this problem can affect both parties equally, but Republicans seem to yield to the siren call of the almighty dollar more readily than Democrats. Which party do insurance companies spend most of their funds promoting? Which party does the financial services industry support? Again, I'm not saying that Republicans are evil because bankers support them. What I am saying is that bankers support them because they think they will be more receptive to the coercive influence of money.

Then there are problems unique to the Republican party. Many Republican leaders think they must answer to religious lobbyists who want their particular creed to influence social policy. As a result, we have partisan opposition to the rights of homosexuals including exclusion of their group from the protections of hate crime legislation.

We also have the most direct perversion of the political process, vote suppression. Hypothetically, voter fraud could pervert political outcomes as much as vote suppression. Afterall, a vote improperly cast is as bad as a vote suppressed. However, voter suppression has taken place on an incredibly broad scale whereas voter fraud is almost non-existent. Further, since purported attempts to prevent voter fraud cause voter suppression of a much larger magnitude, and such effects cannot realistically be contested factually, the perversion of our democratic process has found a promoter in the Republican party.

So neither party is perfect, but they are not the same either, unless you classify everything imperfect as the same.

[Faldur]

The Democrats have problems (a key one of which is the total intransigence of Congress controlled by a tea party-frightened Republican majority who were prepated to force the country to its knees rather than back the President)

And what would you suggest? Maybe some sort of elections board appointed by people who think like you? So when the free people of a state elect by popular vote someone the "board" thinks is unacceptable they can overturn the election?

We are a free people, sorry if that bothers you. You know I could not tell you an individual's name that ran for office in your country, (other than the ones we come to know from their service, ie Thatcher, Brown, Cameron). And quite frankly I could really care less who runs/wins elections in your country. Your people will decide the election outcome, and good for them.

[Faldur]

So neither party is perfect, but they are not the same either, unless you classify everything imperfect as the same.

No everything imperfect is not the same. But I feel my vision is a little less clouded than yours when I look at the issue.

[broncofan]

No everything imperfect is not the same. But I feel my vision is a little less clouded than yours when I look at the issue.
I didn't know I came across as cloudy:D. I thought I was just analyzing some of the problems both political parties have and some unique to the GOP. Was there anything in particular I said that you disagreed with?

[buttslinger]

This I'm sure of:
If the Democrats offered a Bill to the Republicans legalizing full auto weapons, making Christianity the National Religion, rounding up and deporting every illegal alien, and banishing abortion.........they wouldn't accept it if it contained a rider doubling capital gains taxes. Because......as we all know....that stimulates the economy!!!ha ha ha ha!

It's always about MONEY. Worker vs. Management. Figure out where your interests lie and vote!

[Prospero]

Faldur - we over here care about your election because the way America is run affects everyone - and the fuck-ups of Bush and his team have made the world a far more dangerous place. The potential fuck-ups by Romney might be every bit as egregious.

And I do care about your country - because in the past it has been a great country and it can be again - a beacon to the free world blah blah blah... cliche for sure, but there is truth in that.

The words of Emma Lazarus on the statue of Liberty speak to all.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[trish]

Worker vs. Management.Indeed. This election season the choice is, "Do you want a president or a boss?"

[Faldur]

I didn't know I came across as cloudy:D. I thought I was just analyzing some of the problems both political parties have and some unique to the GOP. Was there anything in particular I said that you disagreed with?

The error was in omission Bronco, in my opinion I look harder at the republican party faults than your willing to look at the democrats. Going tit for tat on a forum like this has proven to get you no where. But the lists for both sides are endless, just seems your side is not getting an honest look.

[theoryman]

This board does seem to tilt quite far to the left but there are people on the right on here as well.

A lot of times it comes down to what part of policy you think is most important.

Personally, neither party comes close to my ideal... but some issues trump others.

--

[broncofan]

The error was in omission Bronco, in my opinion I look harder at the republican party faults than your willing to look at the democrats. Going tit for tat on a forum like this has proven to get you no where. But the lists for both sides are endless, just seems your side is not getting an honest look.
I understand. Just for the record I wasn't trying to engage in a tit for tat but was trying to encourage vigorous debate on the subject. Maybe I came across as partisan but I've always thought that impartiality is not saying there's an even balance of positive and negative facts if you don't think there is. No disrespect.

[Faldur]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9EjTdy3QKmI/UIMqC0ltuSI/AAAAAAAABvU/GjGYRLfigmk/s848/20121020_154352.jpg

http://www.brianpettydesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/i-voted1.jpg

[buttslinger]

You're a good American, Faldur
Maybe you'll be a great American by 2016, ha ha

[Prospero]

Voting is important wherever you live and in any country where you have a right to vote.
Which is why the dirty tricks being played to try and deprive people of the right to vote in certain US states are deplorable.

This is an extract from a longer essay by the Harvard professor or law and jurisprudence Ronald Dworkin on attempts to mess with the law to disenfranchise people. After a GOP victory the supreme court might have anew and longer term Conservative majorrity, he warns.

The possible outcome should alarm all - right and left wing - if they truly believe in democracy.

"If the public had been engaged, it would have been warned about a further decision compromising democracy that the Roberts Court seems poised to make. It seems likely to declare unconstitutional crucial parts of the venerable Voting Rights Act of 1965. Section 5 of that act requires all or some counties in states that have a particularly egregious record of voter discrimination in the past—Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia—to obtain a “preclearance” from the Department of Justice or from a three-judge federal court before they change their voting laws in any way. The act was a celebrated civil rights victory when first adopted, and it has been reenacted by Congress several times since, most recently in 2006 when it was extended for twenty-five years by a large majority of both houses. It places the burden of proof on a covered state to show that any new law would not have the effect of disadvantaging minority voters.

Section 5 continues to be an important safeguard of electoral fairness. Since 2010, when the Republican Party greatly expanded its power in state governorships and legislatures, it has tried through a variety of means to minimize the electoral impact of citizens likely to vote Democratic or to prevent them from voting at all, and Section 5 has been crucial in blocking the most blatant of these attempts.

When Florida recently decided to reduce the number of early-voting days, which allow people to vote who cannot take time off on Election Day, it was barred from making the change in five counties covered by the preclearance requirement. So it simply exempted those counties from the change. The Department of Justice then objected to different election schedules in different counties and required Florida to negotiate a common voting schedule for the entire state. Freed of the requirements of Section 5, Florida would have had much greater latitude to curtail early voting.

When Texas was recently awarded four additional congressional seats, the state legislature drew the new boundaries so as to reduce the chances that Hispanics would have an impact on elections in mixed districts. The plan was blocked by Section 5: neither the Department of Justice nor a federal court would grant the preclearance the act required. A three-judge federal panel said, unanimously, that the evidence left no doubt that the plan was designed to reduce the overall voting power of Hispanics in the state.

Since 2010, several states (all but one with Republican governors) have enacted laws that require voters to present official identification cards, in many cases with a photo, at the voting booth. The most common ID is a driver’s license; people who do not have one are mostly poor and disproportionately black or Hispanic. Such citizens can obtain substitute ID cards in those eleven states but only after burdensome and in some cases expensive application, often requiring applicants to travel a considerable distance to official card-dispensing offices.

The antidemocratic intent of voter ID laws has barely been disguised. A Pennsylvania Republican official openly declared that that state’s new ID law would help ensure that Romney carried the state.5 Governor Rick Perry of Texas rushed through a particularly strict ID law as “emergency” legislation, bypassing established procedures to ensure that the law would be in place for the coming election. Perry’s law provided that gun permits, among other official certificates, would be acceptable ID cards but that student registration cards would not.

When Republicans defend voter ID laws at all, they claim them necessary to prevent voter impersonation fraud. But there are extremely few documented cases of such fraud in recent years. Pennsylvania, when its law was challenged in federal court, declared that it did not rest its case on any assumption that fraud was a serious problem,6 and an executive of the South Carolina Election Commission conceded, in court, that the new law would not prevent voter fraud.7

Courts have declared several voter ID laws illegal, or postponed their enforcement, after extensive litigation. But Republicans try to adopt such laws shortly before an election so that litigation cannot prevent their immediate use. A Pennsylvania judge refused to enjoin its ID law while it was being tested in the courts; it was finally denied immediate effect on October 2, only weeks before the presidential election. The Pennsylvania judge ruled that people could vote without ID cards, in this election, though they could—pointlessly—still be asked to produce one. The preclearance demanded by Section 5 provides, for the historically most racist states, a much more effective barrier. Texas’s statute could not go into effect without positive clearance, and voter ID laws were refused preclearance in South Carolina.

In the Texas case, a three-judge federal court declared, in a long and painstaking opinion by Judge David Tatel of the D.C. court, that the evidence Texas offered not only failed to prove that its law was not discriminatory, as the act required it to show, but positively proved the opposite: that the law was in fact thoroughly discriminatory.

However, Shelby County, Alabama, which is covered by Section 5, has now asked the Supreme Court to declare Section 5 unconstitutional, and it has been joined by the attorneys general of five states. They were all but invited to sue by Roberts, who, in a related 2009 case, went out of his way to suggest that he thought Section 5 unconstitutional, and that he would vote to strike it down if asked to do so. “Things have changed in the South,” he said. “Voter turnout and registration rates now approach parity. Blatantly discriminatory evasions of federal decrees are rare. And minority candidates hold office at unprecedented levels.”

Justice Clarence Thomas, speaking for himself, was even clearer: “I conclude,” he said, “that the lack of current evidence of intentional discrimination with respect to voting renders Section 5 unconstitutional.” It seems likely that the rest of the right-wing justices will follow this lead and agree to strike down the preclearance requirement, perhaps in yet another 5–4 decision.

Roberts’s statement was curious. He summarily contradicted Congress on a complex judgment of fact, in spite of the extensive record of continuing discrimination that Congress compiled in renewing the Voting Rights Act in 2006, and in spite of the large majorities that voted for renewal. The recent Texas examples alone, in which obviously discriminatory redistricting plans and voter ID laws were blocked by the preclearance requirement, would seem to indicate that Congress had at least a substantial basis for its decision.

In any case, the coming Supreme Court ruling will be yet another decision testing the integrity of our democracy. From time to time, when a new justice is nominated and Senate hearings are held, the nation’s attention does shift, mildly, to constitutional issues. But these hearings are a sham: candidates say only that they believe in applying the law and senators duly nod approval.

Most politicians apparently assume that the character of the Supreme Court is too abstract an issue to figure in an election campaign. But FDR successfully campaigned against the “nine old men” who were blocking his New Deal, Nixon made the Court’s race decisions the center of his “southern strategy,” and generations of Republicans have been elected by denouncing the Court’s 1973 decision recognizing abortion rights. The record of the Roberts Court is already one of the worst in our history. In pursuing a right-wing agenda it has overruled many precedents. Next term it will probably not just strike down Section 5, but also overrule its own recent decision allowing limited affirmative action. It gives every sign of soon reversing abortion rights. Perhaps it is impossible to make independent voters alert to these dangers. If so, that is a shame."

[BigDF]

Indeed. This election season the choice is, "Do you want a president or a boss?":iagree: You hit it right on the head, Trish. Far too many people in this country think it's a big business, including the GOP candidate for President. But this is a nation and cannot possibly be run on the profit/loss model of business.

[Faldur]

:iagree: You hit it right on the head, Trish. Far too many people in this country think it's a big business, including the GOP candidate for President. But this is a nation and cannot possibly be run on the profit/loss model of business.

So lets spend $11 for every $7 we take in. It's ok, theres a machine in the back room that makes money. What could possibly go wrong?

[Prospero]

Faldur - love to have your thoughtful response to my post of the essay by the Harvard Law Professor?

[Cuchulain]

Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/fla_republican_we_suppressed_black_votes/

[onmyknees]

Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/fla_republican_we_suppressed_black_votes/




You wouldn't nor shouldn't give this guy the time of day....the operative word being here "disgraced", he's a dirt bag... but since he's singing your song...why not use him as a character witness? The problem is this guy has no character, but he suddenly appears on your witness list. He's easily impeachable as a witness.

Some Clarity....voter ID laws have been discussed in many State legislatures for over a decade, as far back as 2003....in fact that year, Alabama, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota all opted for ID laws. In 2004/05 it was Indiana, New Mexico and Washington; Georgia to the point where over 33 states have some sort of voter integrity laws, and we never heard a peep about it until recently. Unless of course you all were sounding the Constitutional alarm back in your closet in 2002 and we just couldn't hear you. But now we have a razor tight election, where every vote in certain swing states is critical and with less Dem enthusiasm than 2008 ..... what better way to gin up a large portion of Obama's base than cries of racism ? And why not...it had such smashing success in 2010 !

And this nonsense about voter ID laws being a solution to a problem that doesn't exist......That's the same narrative you all were feeding us on illegal immigration 20 years ago. Illegl Immigration problem...what illegal immigration problem? Or should I have used the word "undocumented" for fear of the race card?:party:

[Prospero]

You wouldn't nor shouldn't give this guy the time of day....the operative word being here "disgraced", he's a dirt bag... but since he's singing your song...why not use him as a character witness? The problem is this guy has no character, but he suddenly appears on your witness list. He's easily impeachable as a witness.

Some Clarity....voter ID laws have been discussed in many State legislatures for over a decade, as far back as 2003....in fact that year, Alabama, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota all opted for ID laws. In 2004/05 it was Indiana, New Mexico and Washington; Georgia to the point where over 33 states have some sort of voter integrity laws, and we never heard a peep about it until recently. Unless of course you all were sounding the Constitutional alarm back in your closet in 2002 and we just couldn't hear you. But now we have a razor tight election, where every vote in certain swing states is critical and with less Dem enthusiasm than 2008 ..... what better way to gin up a large portion of Obama's base than cries of racism ? And why not...it had such smashing success in 2010 !

And this nonsense about voter ID laws being a solution to a problem that doesn't exist......That's the same narrative you all were feeding us on illegal immigration 20 years ago. Illegl Immigration problem...what illegal immigration problem? Or should I have used the word "undocumented" for fear of the race card?:party:

Read the hard facts as outlined by Ronald Dworkin OMK....

[trish]

When the court asked Pennsylvania to present one case of in-person voter fraud, the State couldn't do it. Pennsylvania couldn't point to a single case. Not one voting Mickey Mouse, not one voting dead dude, not one voting pet. Not one case of in-person voter fraud in all of Pennsylvania. In-person voter fraud is rarer than hummingbirds at the South Pole. Voter ID however will disenfranchise millions of elderly voters, poor voters, minority voters and student voters. Indeed Voter ID laws were designed to suppress the vote of just these sectors. Don't take my word for it, take Mike Turzai's word for it. Voter ID laws are a solution for a problem all right; but in-person voter fraud IS NOT A PROBLEM.

Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8)

[buttslinger]

Watch tomorrow night
For Mitt to tout
his extensive knowlege
of foreign banking policies
in Switzerland
And the Cayman Islands.


anyway, Mitt walks funny
I'm just going to say it
VOTE OBAMA

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Various superpacs are now engaged in a disinformation campaign (billboards in poor neighborhoods advertising the wrong date for the election, billboards in Spanish telling Latino voters in Pennsylvania they need an official ID on Election Day to vote even though the voter ID law failed in that state, calling elderly registered democrats they can vote right now on the phone etc.). Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed. Don't be fooled. Check the laws in your State. Be prepared to vote, and help others to do the same. Then VOTE.

Election Day is Tuesday November 6.

[BigDF]

So lets spend $11 for every $7 we take in. It's ok, theres a machine in the back room that makes money. What could possibly go wrong?That is not what I'm saying at all. It's funny how soon people forget about the recent past. We actually had a budget surplus in 2000 or thereabouts. To lay the blame for the deficit we have now on our present President without acknowledging the past is vile.

The GOP candidate is harping on his business experience as a CEO making him a viable candidate for President, because he knows how to save money and create jobs. While I find that somewhat debatable, the bottom line is that neither of those are the President's job which is to lead and administer this country fairly and within the bounds of our constitution. Since it appears to me he doesn't understand that, I'm going to re hire the incumbent.

[Faldur]

Faldur - love to have your thoughtful response to my post of the essay by the Harvard Law Professor?

Just for you Prosp I went back and read your article. "Thoughtful response", think I loose there no mater what my opinion.

Its a good article, informative, and I'm sorry biased. One fact you can take to the bank is republicans and democrats will do anything to get elected and stay in office. And I do mean anything. Unfortunate how the article overlooks all of the actions of democrats to maintain political control and only looks at the republicans. Re-districting is one of the oldest ploys used in politics to ensure positive election results for incumbents. But that subject doesn't seem to be of concern.

I did get a laugh out of the "Roberts court" comment as far as being so far right. I think most conservatives would love to see this guy retired and sitting on a beach somewhere.

In our country the states decide the laws they live under for the most part. The citizens have the power to petition when their local and state government fails to do the will of the people. A classic example, in February my state passed a law allowing same sex marriage. The opponents to this law went into action and collected enough signatures to force the law to a referendum of the people. The referendum should pass with about 60% to 40% and the will of the people of our state will be heard, gay marriage will be allowed. (And yes I voted in favor of it). Likewise the legislature refuses to address the will of the people on marijuana. So again we have a referendum on the ballot that should pass by the about the same margin. (I voted against this one, recovering addict)

Bottom line, when you live in the US, if you don't like your states requirements for voting get involved and change it. If the people in your state do not share your common beliefs you have one of two choices, either just deal with it or move to a state where your beliefs are shared.

I just don't see the issue here.

[buttslinger]

FOREIGN AFFAIRS


I was just reading that the rest of the world is AMAZED that a choice between Romney and Obama could even be imaginable
Seventy Five Percent of world leaders want to work with Obama, Eight Percent like Romney.
It's no wonder the republicans want to outlaw PBS.


A little message to the transgendered folks out there.....

The republican vision of the world doesn't include you.


GO FORWARD


VOTE

[Prospero]

Hi Faldur. Respect to you for reading the article.

Did you read the full version I posted in the politics strand or the abbreviated version here.

Re-districting as you dub it is, indeed, a time honored fiddle. The Conservatives in the Uk are trying to do it at present (but are currently blocked by their partners in the coalition The liberal Democrats in a squabble over reform of our House Of Lords).
Bias? Well the good professor is addressing quite specifically the attempt to limit votes by Republican administrations in recent weeks. He does concede i think that one democrat controlled state has tried to do the same.

But the bigger issue is the bill that would go through if the GOP win to remove legal restraint on this - introduced to fore those states previously proven to be discriminatory from continuing to discriminate against ethnic minorities.

In his fuller article he also talks about the future make-up of the Supreme Court after the elction with the likelihood that the Conservative bias it presently has being deepened if a Romey administration replaces retiring Judges (such as Ruth Ginzburg) with younger right wingers. Of course should Obama win then she would probably be replaced by someone of a more liberal bent (thus preserving the present imbalance still in favour of the right!) A long term greater rightwing bias and domination would permit the certain repeal of women's abortion rights and other (in my view) reactionary measures by the Right.

Dworkin offers, I think you agree, a very well argued and coherent argument from one side of the political spectrum.

I'd love to to see similar coherence from the other.

[Prospero]

So here is a powerful report which offers further powerful evidence demonstrating just WHO is trying to mess with the voting rights of ordinary Americans.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer

THE VOTER-FRAUD MYTH
The man who has stoked fear about impostors at the polls.
BY JANE MAYER

Teresa Sharp is fifty-three years old and has lived in a modest single-family house on Millsdale Street, in a suburb of Cincinnati, for nearly thirty-three years. A lifelong Democrat, she has voted in every Presidential election since she turned eighteen. So she was agitated when an official summons from the Hamilton County Board of Elections arrived in the mail last month. Hamilton County, which includes Cincinnati, is one of the most populous regions of the most fiercely contested state in the 2012 election. No Republican candidate has ever won the Presidency without carrying Ohio, and recent polls show Barack Obama and Mitt Romney almost even in the state. Every vote may matter, including those cast by the seven members of the Sharp family—Teresa, her husband, four grown children, and an elderly aunt—living in the Millsdale Street house.

The letter, which cited arcane legal statutes and was printed on government letterhead, was dated September 4th. “You are hereby notified that your right to vote has been challenged by a qualified elector,” it said. “The Hamilton County Board of Elections has scheduled a hearing regarding your right to vote on Monday, September 10th, 2012, at 8:30 a.m. . . . You have the right to appear and testify, call witnesses and be represented by counsel.”

“My first thought was, Oh, no!” Sharp, who is African-American, said. “They ain’t messing with us poor black folks! Who is challenging my right to vote?”

The answer to Sharp’s question is that a new watchdog group, the Ohio Voter Integrity Project, which polices voter-registration rolls in search of “electoral irregularities,” raised questions about her eligibility after consulting a government-compiled list of local properties and mistakenly identifying her house as a vacant lot.

The Sharp household had first been identified as suspicious by computer software that had been provided to the Ohio Voter Integrity Project by a national organization called True the Vote. The software, which has been distributed to similar groups around the country, is used to flag certain households, including those with six or more registered voters. This approach inevitably pinpoints many lower-income residents, students, and extended families.

True the Vote, which was founded in 2009 and is based in Houston, describes itself as a nonprofit organization, created “by citizens for citizens,” that aims to protect “the rights of legitimate voters, regardless of their political party.” Although the group has a spontaneous grassroots aura, it was founded by a local Tea Party activist, Catherine Engelbrecht, and from the start it has received guidance from intensely partisan election lawyers and political operatives, who have spent years stoking fear about election fraud. This cohort—which Roll Call has called the “voter fraud brain trust”—has filed lawsuits, released studies, testified before Congress, and written op-ed columns and books. Since 2011, the effort has spurred legislative initiatives in thirty-seven states to require photo identification to vote.

Engelbrecht has received especially valuable counsel from one member of the group: Hans von Spakovsky. A Republican lawyer who served in the Bush Administration, he is now a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank. “Hans is very, very helpful,” Engelbrecht said. “He’s one of the senior advisers on our advisory council.” Von Spakovsky, who frequently appears on Fox News, is the co-author, with the columnist John Fund, of the recent book “Who’s Counting?,” which argues that America is facing an electoral-security crisis. “Election fraud, whether it’s phony voter registrations, illegal absentee ballots, vote-buying, shady recounts, or old-fashioned ballot-box stuffing, can be found in every part of the United States,” they write. The book connects these modern threats with sordid episodes from the American past: crooked inner-city machines, corrupt black bosses in the Deep South. Von Spakovsky and Fund conclude that electoral fraud is a “spreading” danger, and declare that True the Vote serves “an obvious need.”
Mainstream election experts say that Spakovsky has had an improbably large impact. Richard L. Hasen, a law professor at the University of California at Irvine, and the author of a recent book, “The Voting Wars,” says, “Before 2000, there were some rumblings about Democratic voter fraud, but it really wasn’t part of the main discourse. But thanks to von Spakovsky and the flame-fanning of a few others, the myth that Democratic voter fraud is common, and that it helps Democrats win elections, has become part of the Republican orthodoxy.” In December, Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, wrote, “Election fraud is a real and persistent threat to our electoral system.” He accused Democrats of “standing up for potential fraud—presumably because ending it would disenfranchise at least two of its core constituencies: the deceased and double-voters.” Hasen believes that Democrats, for their part, have made exaggerated claims about the number of voters who may be disenfranchised by Republican election-security measures. But he regards the conservative alarmists as more successful. “Their job is really done,” Hasen says. “It’s common now to assert that there is a need for voter I.D.s, even without any evidence.”

In Hamilton County alone, the new citizens’ groups have challenged more than a thousand names since March. Some challenges, such as those aiming to disqualify college students who failed to include their dorm-room numbers on their registration forms, were tossed out immediately. But the board accepted nearly two hundred challenges, including those to twenty-six voters registered at a trailer park that no longer existed.

In Ohio, if voters whose eligibility has been challenged come to the polls in November, they may be forced to use a provisional ballot, which will be counted only if officials sanction it—after Election Day. Some experts worry that voters who have been needlessly challenged will feel too intimidated even to show up. “People have other things to do with their lives than respond to inaccurate complaints accusing them of being criminals,” Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said.

Alex Triantafilou, a Republican member of the county’s Board of Elections, maintains that the challenges have been nonpartisan. But Caleb Faux, a Democrat on the board, says, “I don’t buy it. The True the Vote people are clearly going after Democratic voters: African-Americans, students, and other groups they think are likely to vote Democratic.”

Von Spakovsky recently sat down with me in a conference room at the Heritage Foundation, wearing rimless eyeglasses and a sports jacket with a crisp white pocket square. In our conversation, and in later phone calls and e-mails, he expressed himself with lawyerly reserve. He said of True the Vote and its affiliates, “They’re doing a great job.” Earlier this year, he noted, the Pew Center on the States found that more than 1.8 million people who had died were still registered to vote in America, and that 2.75 million people were registered to vote in multiple states. How many of these errors translate into fraudulent votes? “It is impossible to answer,” he said. “We don’t have the tools in place.” But he cited a 2000 investigation, by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, of voting records in Georgia over the previous two decades; the paper reported that it had turned up fifty-four hundred instances of dead people being recorded as having voted. “That seems pretty substantial to me,” he said.

He did not mention that the article’s findings were later revised. The Journal-Constitution ran a follow-up article after the Georgia Secretary of State’s office indicated that the vast majority of the cases appeared to reflect clerical errors. Upon closer inspection, the paper admitted, its only specific example of a deceased voter casting a ballot didn’t hold up. The ballot of a living voter had been attributed to a dead man whose name was nearly identical.

On the appointed day this fall, Teresa Sharp drove to Cincinnati and appeared before the Board of Elections. Dressed in a T-shirt and jeans, and accompanied by six family members, Sharp moved to the front of the room when her name was called. She then “slammed her purse and papers on the table,” according to Faux, who was present.

Sharp told me, “It was like a kangaroo court. There were, like, ninety-four people being challenged, and my family and I were the only ones contesting it! I looked around. The board members and the stenographer, they were all white people. The lady bringing these challenges, she was white, and reminded me of Gladys Kravitz”—the nosy neighbor on the sitcom “Bewitched.”

When Sharp heard her house described as a vacant lot, and learned that Marlene Kocher—the member of the Ohio Voter Integrity Project who had filed the challenge against her—had not bothered to visit her address, she exploded. “This lady has nothing else better to do?” she said. “I think she needs to get a life!”

Faux recalled that Kocher “apologized and kind of shrunk back.”

“We made a mistake,” Mary Siegel, a leader of the Ohio Voter Integrity Project, who has been involved in a local Tea Party group, told me. “We’re just here to protect the voter. We have no idea when we look at the registrations what color or creed or party you are. We just look at where your property is and how many people are living there.”

Sharp said, “I think they want to stop as many black people as they can from voting. I won’t even know until Election Day if I got the right to vote. But if they tell me I can’t vote—it is over. They are going to have to call the police. I am going to jail!”

At the Heritage Foundation, von Spakovsky emphasized that his devotion to safeguarding voter integrity had nothing to do with racial discrimination or partisan gain: “I’m not in this because I’m on a team. I believe in having fair elections, and I would never be willing to do anything that would encourage or allow cheating in an election. My interest is in making sure that the person who people vote for the most wins.”

Yet many Democrats see his cause as a voter-suppression effort in disguise. Thirty-three states have passed some form of voter-I.D. law, the most severe versions of which demand government-issued cards with photographs and expiration dates. A driver’s license typically qualifies, but many students, elderly people, and poor urban residents do not have one.

According to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice, a liberal nonprofit institute at N.Y.U. Law School, eleven per cent of the voting-age population lacks the kind of I.D. cards required by the strictest states. Eighteen per cent of Americans over the age of sixty-five do not have such documentation; among African-Americans the figure is twenty-five per cent. Von Spakovsky criticized the study for focussing not on registered voters but on all Americans who are eligible to vote. He cites rival studies indicating that the number of registered voters without I.D.s is negligible.

The vast majority of the lawmakers who have pushed for voter I.D.s have been Republicans. As Bill Clinton has put it, “This is not rocket science. They are trying to make the 2012 electorate look more like the 2010 electorate”—when many young and minority voters stayed home—“than the 2008 electorate.” Clinton said that the “effort to limit the franchise” was the most determined “since we got rid of the poll tax and all the other Jim Crow burdens on voting.”

Republicans who support tighter voter security say that they are not seeking political advantage. But last summer Pennsylvania’s Republican House Leader, Mike Turzai, was caught on tape boasting to colleagues that the state’s new I.D. law was “going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.” Earlier this month, a state judge suspended the controversial law’s implementation until after the 2012 election; a federal court has done the same with South Carolina’s new I.D. law.

Congressman John Lewis, the Democrat from Georgia, says of recent efforts to tighten voting requirements, “I thought we’d passed this long ago. But it seems we must fight this fight over and over.” In the nineteen-sixties, Lewis was beaten by police while demonstrating in support of civil-rights legislation, including the Voting Rights Act. He said of von Spakovsky, “He’s been the moving force behind photo I.D.s. I don’t know if it’s something in the water he’s been drinking . . . but over the years he’s been hellbent to make it more difficult—always, always—for people to vote. It’s like he goes to bed dreaming about this, and gets up in the morning wondering, What can I do today to make it more difficult for people to vote? When you pull back the covers, peel back the onion, he’s the one who’s gotten the Republican legislatures, and the Republican Party, to go along with this—even though there is no voter fraud to speak of. He’s trying to create a cure where there is no sickness.”

Earlier this year, at a panel sponsored by the conservative organization Judicial Watch, von Spakovsky said that it was “preposterous” for anyone to liken the nationwide crackdown on voter irregularities to “the restoration of Jim Crow.” In support of his views, he cites a liberal icon: the former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens. In 2008, Stevens helped uphold Indiana’s strict voter-I.D. law in the face of a challenge from Democrats. He wrote, “Examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists,” demonstrating “that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Nearly all scholars of America’s system of locally run elections acknowledge chronic problems, including administrative incompetence, sloppy registration rolls, unreliable machinery, vote buying, and absentee-ballot fraud. But Robert Brandon, the president of the Fair Elections Legal Network and a longtime reformer, says that the current debate, “which is about people impersonating another voter, is silly.” He adds, “You can’t steal an election one person at a time. You can by stuffing ballot boxes—but voter I.D.s won’t stop that.”

Von Spakovsky offered me the names of two experts who, he said, would confirm that voter-impersonation fraud posed a significant peril: Robert Pastor, the director of the Center for Democracy and Election Management, at American University, and Larry Sabato, a political-science professor at the University of Virginia. Pastor, von Spakovsky noted, had spoken to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights about being a victim of election fraud: voting in Georgia, he discovered that someone else had already voted under his name.

When I reached Pastor, he clarified what had happened to him. “I think they just mistakenly checked my name when my son voted—it was just a mistake.” He added, “I don’t think that voter-impersonation fraud is a serious problem.” Pastor believes that, compared with other democracies, America is “somewhere near the bottom in election administration,” and thinks that voter I.D.s make sense—but only if they are free and easily available to all, which, he points out, is not what Republican legislatures have proposed. Sabato, who supports the use of voter I.D.s under the same basic conditions, says of the voter-impersonation question, “One fraudulent vote is one too many, but my sense is that it’s relatively rare today.”

Hasen says that, while researching “The Voting Wars,” he “tried to find a single case” since 1980 when “an election outcome could plausibly have turned on voter-impersonation fraud.” He couldn’t find one. News21, an investigative-journalism group, has reported that voter impersonation at the polls is a “virtually non-existent” problem. After conducting an exhaustive analysis of election-crime prosecutions since 2000, it identified only seven convictions for impersonation fraud. None of those cases involved conspiracy.

Lorraine Minnite, a public-policy professor at Rutgers, collated decades of electoral data for her 2010 book, “The Myth of Voter Fraud,” and came up with some striking statistics. In 2005, for example, the federal government charged many more Americans with violating migratory-bird statutes than with perpetrating election fraud, which has long been a felony. She told me, “It makes no sense for individual voters to impersonate someone. It’s like committing a felony at the police station, with virtually no chance of affecting the election outcome.” A report by the Times in 2007 also found election fraud to be rare. During the Bush Administration, the Justice Department initiated a five-year crackdown on voter fraud, but only eighty-six people were convicted of any kind of election crime.

Hasen, who calls von Spakovsky a leading member of “the Fraudulent Fraud Squad,” told me that he respects many other conservative advocates in his area of expertise, but dismisses scholars who allege widespread voter-impersonation fraud. “I see them as foot soldiers in the Republican army,” he says. “It’s just a way to excite the base. They are hucksters. They’re providing fake scholarly support. They’re not playing fairly with the facts. And I think they know it.”

Von Spakovsky is the son of a German mother and a Russian father who met in Bavaria, just after the Second World War, at an American-run camp for displaced persons. They immigrated to the United States in 1951. His father, Anatol, was a White Russian who fought Communism twice: first against the Bolsheviks, in Russia, and later against Tito, in Yugoslavia, where he lived before heading to Bavaria. “He escaped death many times,” von Spakovsky recalled. “He taught me to stand up for what I believe in, no matter what the cost, and I have taken that to heart.” Von Spakovsky says that his heritage has made him especially appreciative of American democracy and sensitive to what he calls its “fragility.”

In America, his parents settled in Huntsville, Alabama, where his father taught philosophy at a local college and wrote poetry. “He was the most intelligent and cultured person I have ever known,” von Spakovsky said, adding that family dinners were more stimulating than the local schools he attended. Although the civil-rights movement created tumult in Alabama during his childhood, he says that he has no memory of it.

After graduating from M.I.T. and Vanderbilt Law School, von Spakovsky became the in-house counsel at a life-insurance company in Atlanta, and volunteered to become a Republican poll watcher at an inner-city housing project. “I was expecting a very boring day,” he says. Instead, he observed election officials asking voters which party they belonged to, “which, of course, you’re not supposed to do in a general election. So the very first time I’m a poll watcher, I walk in and something illegal is going on.”

It was 1992, a turning point in American election law. Throughout the nineteen-eighties, civil-rights groups brought discrimination cases against local election officials, particularly in the South, alleging that bureaucratic barriers—such as requiring people to register at local clerks’ offices—served mainly to intimidate new voters, many of whom were minorities. Voting-rights activists pushed for national legislation that would encourage mass enfranchisement, such as permitting people to register when they got a driver’s license, or to register by mail. Congress passed a bill with these provisions, but President George H. W. Bush vetoed it. Soon after Bill Clinton took office, in 1993, he signed the bill, which became the National Voter Registration Act—also known as the motor-voter law. As minority-voter registration surged, conservatives began warning that permitting more lenient forms of registration opened the door to fraud.

In 1997, von Spakovsky agitated against the National Voter Registration Act and in favor of strict requirements, including the presentation of birth certificates, for voter I.D.s, in order “to prevent impostors from voting.” He became a Republican appointee to an election board in the Atlanta area, which had a fast-growing, increasingly black population. Writing for the Georgia Public Policy Foundation, a conservative research center, he warned that aspects of the National Voter Registration Act might “destroy the security and integrity of the voter-registration system.” The article also recommended regular purges of voter rolls.

By 1999, von Spakovsky had begun attracting national attention. He was the chairman of the Fulton County Republican Party, and served on the advisory board of the Voting Integrity Project, or V.I.P.—a new group, based in Arlington, Virginia. V.I.P. called itself a nonpartisan election-reform group, but it had deep ties to the Republican Party and to the national conservative movement. One of its founders, Helen Blackwell, was married to Morton Blackwell, a former Reagan aide and the founder of the Leadership Institute, an organization that trains ultra-conservative young activists. (In 2009, one of them, the guerrilla videographer James O’Keefe, took undercover footage meant to suggest pervasive criminality at acorn, the progressive nonprofit group, some of whose employees had pleaded guilty to voter-registration fraud. Although the footage was widely condemned as misleading, the controversy helped lead to acorn’s demise.)

V.I.P. embraced von Spakovsky’s call for voter-roll purges. In 1999, the group met with and gave an award for “innovative excellence” to a company called Database Technologies, which was designing the State of Florida’s procedure for scrubbing its voter rolls of felons and other ineligible people. In 2000, Database’s process led, notoriously, to the erroneous disenfranchisement of thousands of voters—most of them Democrats and many of them black. Asked about this, von Spakovsky said, heatedly, “I was in Atlanta, and I had nothing to do with the company that Florida hired to clean up its election rolls.”

Von Spakovsky did, however, get directly involved in the infamous recount of the Presidential vote in Florida. Serving as a volunteer observer for the campaign of George W. Bush, he spent time in Jacksonville, where black leaders protested that their voting rights had been denied, and in Palm Beach County, where twenty-eight thousand ballots went uncounted, because examiners concluded that they had not been filled out properly. According to the Palm Beach Post, nearly half of those discarded ballots came from predominantly black and elderly precincts. Von Spakovsky, for his part, recalled the drama on the ground as less than thrilling: “It was a lesson in how really boring vote counting can be.”

After the recount trauma, the Bush Administration announced its crackdown on election fraud, and hired von Spakovsky as a lawyer in the Justice Department’s newly invigorated voting section, which enforces the Voting Rights Act. He was soon promoted, becoming counsel to the assistant attorney general in charge of the civil-rights division.

The crackdown was infused with partisanship. In 2006, the Justice Department fired two U.S. Attorneys, in part because top Administration officials felt that they were too soft on potential Democratic voter fraud in New Mexico and Washington. In 2008, documents unearthed by an inspector general revealed that the push to prosecute had as much to do with political gain as with the pursuit of justice. Republican officials in New Mexico pressured David Iglesias, the U.S. Attorney for the state, to prosecute Democrats before the 2004 election. A lawyer for the state Republican Party wrote that the voter-I.D. “issue should be used (now) at all levels,” adding, “You are not going to find a better wedge issue.” But an election-fraud task force that Iglesias formed with the F.B.I. found no crimes to prosecute. Because of his failure to find fraud, the inspector general concluded, Iglesias was fired. (He is now a prosecutor in Guantánamo Bay.) John McKay, the U.S. Attorney in Washington State, was also fired after failing to find prosecutable voter fraud.

In 2006, President Bush appointed von Spakovsky to the Federal Election Commission while the Senate was in recess. When he came up for confirmation, six career lawyers in the voting section wrote a scathing letter of protest, saying that he had a “cavalier” disregard for legal precedent. They noted that a federal court had struck down Washington State’s attempt to implement his recommendation that eligible citizens be kept “off the rolls for typos and other mistakes by election officials.” They accused von Spakovsky of overruling their judgment that a strict voter-I.D. law in Georgia would result in substantially fewer black voters, and of using a pseudonym to publish an essay in support of voter-I.D. laws while the department was weighing the case. A judge in Georgia struck down the law, likening it to a poll tax. (After considerable modifications, the law was authorized.)

Joe Rich, the former chief of the voting section, repeatedly clashed with von Spakovsky and his allies. “I worked at the Justice Department for thirty-six years, twenty-four of them under Republican Administrations,” Rich told me. “The disdain and antagonism that they had for the experience, expertise, and dedication of career civil-rights attorneys was something I had never experienced before. It was just awful.”

Among the lawmakers who spoke out against von Spakovsky’s appointment to the F.E.C. was Barack Obama, then a Democratic senator from Illinois. He put a hold on the confirmation, effectively blocking it. After two years in limbo, von Spakovsky withdrew his name from consideration, and joined the Heritage Foundation, where he continued to inveigh against voter fraud.

In the spring of 2008, as Obama was clinching the Democratic nomination for President, von Spakovsky issued a lengthy report on electoral fraud, titled “Stolen Identities, Stolen Votes.” In an op-ed piece on the Fox News Web site, he argued that “one doesn’t have to look far to find instances of fraudulent ballots cast in actual elections by ‘voters’ who were the figments of active imaginations.” Yet the most recent evidence he cited in his report was decades old: a grand-jury report documenting criminal collusion, from 1968 to 1982, among Brooklyn election officials and local machine politicians.

Richard Hasen asked to see the grand-jury report, but von Spakovsky did not respond. (“What am I—his research assistant?” he asked me.) Hasen has another explanation for von Spakovsky’s refusal to produce the document: “He must have known it was weak.” Hasen eventually hunted down his own copy. On his blog, he observed, “Most of this fraud took place forty years ago,” adding, “When election officials collude with those committing fraud, a voter-I.D. requirement would not help in the slightest.” Asked about this, von Spakovsky said, “That’s not what the grand jury said. They recommended voter I.D.s.” The report recommends nine specific procedural changes to help prevent corrupt behavior by election officials, but says of voter identification only that it should be studied as one of several “possible remedies.”

The election of 2008 was a milestone in terms of turnout. The percentage of African-Americans who voted (sixty-five) rivalled the percentage of whites who voted (sixty-six). Penda Hair, the co-director of the Advancement Project, a progressive voting-rights advocacy group, says that this statistic discomfited Republicans. “Conservatives were looking at it and saying, ‘We’ve got to clamp things down,’ ” Hair said. “They’d always tried to suppress the black vote, but it was then that they came up with new schemes.”

After Obama took office, von Spakovsky expanded his campaign for voter-I.D. laws and other ballot-security measures. One receptive forum, where he spoke repeatedly, was the American Legislative Exchange Council, or alec—a conservative, corporate-funded group that drafts legislative models for thousands of state lawmakers. In 2009, after the Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter-I.D. law, alec drafted a sample voter-I.D. bill for other states to copy. An accompanying essay in the organization’s newsletter explained how to frame such restrictions so that they would pass muster with the courts. Copycat bills emerged in state legislatures across the country. In 2011 and 2012, Republicans proposed sixty-two such laws, in thirty-seven state legislatures. News21 has reported that more than half of these bills were sponsored by associates of alec. Lisa Graves, the executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy, which runs a Web site called alec Exposed, says, “Unlike a think tank, alec operationalizes the agenda, nationally.”

Von Spakovsky said, “The idea that there’s some deep conspiracy is just laughable.” His own work, however, has suggested that liberals engage in conspiracies. “Who’s Counting?” opens with an insinuating account of how Al Franken, the Minnesota Democrat, was elected to the Senate in 2008. According to the book, there is “compelling” evidence, compiled by a citizens’ watchdog group, that “1,099 ineligible felons voted illegally” in the contest—“more than three times” Franken’s victory margin. The subhead of the chapter is “Would Obamacare have passed without voter fraud?”

Fox News and other conservative media outlets have promoted this argument. However, Mike Freeman, the Hennepin County Attorney, who oversees Minneapolis, told me, “Those numbers are fraudulent. We investigated, and at the end of the day, out of over four hundred allegations in the county, we charged thirty-eight people. Their research was bad, sloppy, incredible. They are just liars.” Some of the targeted voters weren’t actually felons; others were on probation and hadn’t realized that they remained ineligible to vote. To be convicted of voter fraud, a suspect needs to have criminal intent.

Von Spakovsky told me, “It doesn’t matter whether they”—the felons—“intended it or not. The point is they did vote.” The subject of electoral fraud is now front and center in Minnesota: in November, the state will have a referendum on a state voter-I.D. law.

Von Spakovsky has also presented a more recent case as a scandal. Last year, in an op-ed piece that was nationally syndicated, he wrote, “A 2010 election in Missouri that ended in a one-vote margin of victory included 50 votes cast illegally by citizens of Somalia.” He told me that these voters “could only speak Somali, even though to become a U.S. citizen you must learn English.” Once again, when the case was examined by a judge, no fraud was found. Although the judge’s ruling had been issued before the column appeared, von Spakovsky didn’t mention it. He told me that the omission was justified, because the judge hadn’t investigated “the citizenship issue.” Yet the voters’ citizenship was never in doubt. Translation assistance is available at the polls—citizens sometimes have shaky English—and the court had found merely that election officials had not made the voters take an oath before receiving help, as state law required. The judge determined that such a mistake “should not result in the disenfranchisement of the voters.”

With legions of citizen watchdogs on the lookout for fraud, voters confused about the documents necessary to vote, and the country almost evenly divided politically, von Spakovsky is predicting that November 6th could be even more chaotic than the 2000 elections. He will play a direct role in Virginia, a swing state, where he is the vice-chairman of the electoral board of Fairfax County. Joining us at the conference table at the Heritage Foundation, John Fund, von Spakovsky’s co-author, told me, “If it’s close this time, I think we’re going to have three or four Floridas.” Von Spakovsky shook his head and said, “If we’re lucky only three or four.” If there are states where the number of provisional ballots cast exceeds the margin of victory, he predicts, “there will probably be horrendous fights, and litigation between the lawyers that will make the fights over hanging chads look minor by comparison.” Pursing his lips, he added, “I hope it doesn’t happen.” But, if it does, no one will be more ready for the fight. ♦

[BigDF]

Prospero, I live in Cincinnati and this is the first I've heard of such a challenge, but things are goofy here. I keep getting mailings from the Republican Interests urging me to exercise my options to vote absentee or early, which is something new in my county. Usually I get bombarded with voting recommendations from both the GOP, which was the last primary I voted in (2008) and the UAW, of which I am a member. I personally am an independent and voted for John McCain the last time around.

The problem I have with all of this is that it's tearing our country apart. I've never seen so much crap go on about an election as there has been in this one. I can't tell if this is because Barack Obama is black or if something else is at play here. The last time we got this bad was 150 years ago and that is very troubling to me.

I am becoming increasingly worried about what's going to happen next year, when, despite our government's best (?) efforts, things don't really change all that much and may even get worse, with the situations taking place in the Mideast and elsewhere around the world.

This is shaping up to be a very close election and we may not find out who won until December, by the time all of the challenges get sorted out. Thanks for sharing this on here, because I know it hasn't been on the media in the area.

[BigDF]

While I couldn't find anything about the lady mentioned in the article Prospero shared, I did find this little gem in Dayton about a similar case:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/group-contests-voter-rolls/nSfSg/

Things begin to make sense for me as the coordinator for the Ohio Voter Integrity Project lives in Indian Hill with all of the other nickel millionaires who seem to think they own Cincinnati and that those of us in the Ohio Valley are nothing but serfs. I not going to post her name, but it is in the article.

Although it appears to me that this is voter intimidation, I suspect they are right at the line of being illegal and that here in Hamilton County anyway little will be done about it.

[buttslinger]

The very REAL FACT that we had a Pesident named George W Bush, a Dick Cheney, a Sarah Palin, John Edwards, .........,WTF!!!!! American Politics is like a sitcom.
I just wonder if "somebody" in the DNC has a copy of Mitt's old tax returns under his mattress just in case.


VOTE THE TICKET

[buttslinger]

A driver's license does not mean you got sense.

[theoryman]

... The last time we got this bad was 150 years ago and that is very troubling to me.

I am becoming increasingly worried about what's going to happen next year, when, despite our government's best (?) efforts, things don't really change all that much and may even get worse, with the situations taking place in the Mideast and elsewhere around the world.

This is shaping up to be a very close election and we may not find out who won until December, by the time all of the challenges get sorted out. Thanks for sharing this on here, because I know it hasn't been on the media in the area.

Personally, I doubt there will be a United States along the same lines in another 5-10 years. There might be a country calling itself that, but if so, it will be much more of a Confederation of States than a Federal Union..

Way too many people are getting fed up with Federal intrusion into matters that belong to the states or to the people themselves. I can give LOTS of examples, both right and left, but unless asked, I'm not gonna clutter this thread up with them.

I believe we will split into 5-7 regional governments with some kind of alliance for Continental defense...

And it is both sides fault. Compromise is not possible because neither side can follow the logic to its end or do the math all the way out. Examples abound.

The Third American Revolution is coming. Keep your powder dry.

14 days. Be sure to vote. There may not be anyone you want to vote for... But I'm sure there is someone you want to vote against.

--

[trish]

Compromise is not possible because John Boehner declared he will never bring a bill to the floor unless it can be passed without the help of democrats, AND because the GOP filibuster everything in the senate so that every bill now requires a 60% majority to pass (many bills have failed in the last four years because they only got simple majorities) AND because the radical teaparty has taken over the GOP, much to the dismay of even the republican elder statesman.

But hey, racism is slowly fading and thus the teaparty will eventually go the way white sheets and hoods.

You know a girl always keeps her power dry and applies it often. Check back in ten years, patriot:roll: and you will find that the country you just denied (like Peter denied Jesus) is still united and filled with proud citizens ready to defend her honor.

[theoryman]

You must not have seen the part about how both sides are at fault, not just the gop.

--

[Prospero]

You must not have seen the part about how both sides are at fault, not just the gop.

--

Theoryman - you are right that this thread, simply really about voting, is not the place to expound your ideas... but i for one would be interested to read a wider argument from you. pst it in the politics thread maybe.

Question. Are you one who argues that there is too much Government and that government's involvement in all manner of regulation and agency should be pared to the bone?

... but on one thing you all agree.

VOTE

[BigDF]

You must not have seen the part about how both sides are at fault, not just the gop.

--Oh, I think she did, I think trish is suggesting that if indeed we fight another Civil War the outcome will be the same as the last, with the country still being the United States. She just pointed out one of the main obstacles to compromise, a man who seems to have forgotten that premise is what is actually required for the successful governance of our nation. Combine that with the circus that Harry Reid has allowed the Senate to become and the two men have essentially put our nation on hold until the election.

[buttslinger]

don't get fooled again......'VOTE

[Faldur]

Theoryman - you are right that this thread, simply really about voting, is not the place to expound your ideas...

You know Prospero I have come to respect your opinions. You seem like a pretty level head guy. But don't you find it a bit odd that only those with conservative ideals tend to get censure here? There are pages full of opinions, maybe a general comment would have been a little less alarming.

[trish]

...don't you find it a bit odd that only those with conservative ideals tend to get censure here?Really? I don't think so, unless you're counting bigotry and racism as expressions of conservative ideals.

Turns out Clear Channel is taking down it's billboards telling Pennsylvanians they need a voter ID. Good to see some corporations have a stronger moral compass than some of our posters at HA.

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[theoryman]

Originally Posted by Prospero
Theoryman - you are right that this thread, simply really about voting, is not the place to expound your ideas...
You know Prospero I have come to respect your opinions. You seem like a pretty level head guy. But don't you find it a bit odd that only those with conservative ideals tend to get censure here? There are pages full of opinions, maybe a general comment would have been a little less alarming.

No offense intended, Faldur, but I did not feel censured in any way. I read and post on boards that are so far right of HA that I would have been banned for my posts on here.

--

[theoryman]

Theoryman - you are right that this thread, simply really about voting, is not the place to expound your ideas... but i for one would be interested to read a wider argument from you. pst it in the politics thread maybe.

I've started one there. "By Request..."


Question. Are you one who argues that there is too much Government and that government's involvement in all manner of regulation and agency should be pared to the bone?

I'm not going to say "pared to the bone". I am going to say that there is a bit of pruning needed. At ALL levels, not just the Federal.

In other words, I am not a big 'L' libertarian.

--

[GroobySteven]

You know Prospero I have come to respect your opinions. You seem like a pretty level head guy. But don't you find it a bit odd that only those with conservative ideals tend to get censure here? There are pages full of opinions, maybe a general comment would have been a little less alarming.

Conservative ideals are fine. Fox News re-casts and the right-wing, bigoted, racist views that seem to get tied into conservatism aren't.

This forum by proxy of what it is about and the ownership, is left leaning.

[Prospero]

Thanks for your generosity Faldur.

I don't think only right-wing ideas are up for criticism. And I assume you mean censure, not censorship. I don't think any of the mods here or the owner have ever deleted or amended a single political posting.

if someone came on here arguing old fashion hard left Communist Marxist notions - I'd take a verbal swing at them also. But frankly that philosophy is largely history. It is the god that failed. A few weeks ago there was a virulent supporter of Assad in Syria here. Several members - including myself - took issue with his pro-Assad arguments. (and even more with his abuse references to your Secretary Of State as a female sexual part)

As for the general ethos of this place? The owner in the previous post set out how he sees it.

Surely by its nature a site that is pro-pornograpy and about sexual freedom for all has, perforce, to be rather socially liberal. Economic liberalism or conservatism is another issue. But I don't see too many Conservatives in the wider public world arguing for the rights of the Transgendered or the gay and for the right to have sites like this.

I am a left-leaning liberal by British standards. By US standards I'd call myself a liberal democrat. By the measure of the present GOP I am sure I would be seen as a rabid communist!!! It all depends where you stand.

[buttslinger]

Judging G W Bush as a President isn't fair, because his aim never was to be President First. He is not a President who happened to be a businessman, he's a businessman who happened to be President.

Peel away the onion layers of the Republican Party and you'll find a Chamber of Commerce interested only in taking their cut of the action.

The very last thing on Earth they want to see is Barack Obama in a second term.


Oh, this is gonna be fun.


I"LL VOTE FOR THAT.

[jamesedwards]

Romney is the male version of Sarah Palin, BOTH ARE LOSERS AND STUPID AS FUCK!!!

[onmyknees]

[QUOTE=

This forum by proxy of what it is about and the ownership, is left leaning.[/QUOTE]



Ya think ??????? I've said this before...it's your gig run it as you please...I'm here for the girls, not how you and Prospero view Fox News and conservatives. There isn't 2 political opinions that matter less to me. You both know as little about how half the US population feels and thinks than I know about running porn sites. And speaking of the girls...what's your suggestion for getting a few more of them posting and visiting here? The list of the ones who are gone, or seldom post is far longer than the ones who frequent this place. Maybe more tits and ass and less left leaning noise?
.

[BluegrassCat]

Yes, if only this place was more conservative gurls would come in droves. Women love being told that they're wrong for being who they are.

[theoryman]

Been a bad day for wind damage... Don't have time to answer all right now, but I will get to you... ;)

This one, however demanded an answer right now.


Romney is the male version of Sarah Palin, BOTH ARE LOSERS AND STUPID AS FUCK!!!

Better to have 'stupid as fuck' in the White House than the lying, faithless, unfit pantywaist we have now.

33 years. I figured I'd never see it again. One hell of an October Surprise...

Watergate with dead people. Listen to the cover-up.

Unfit for command.

--

[trish]

Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

Better to have 'stupid as fuck' in the White House than the lying, faithless, unfit pantywaist we have now.



I heard Romney polled high with undereducated white men.......

[jamiethewild]

I heard Romney polled high with undereducated white men.......

LOL :dead:

[Prospero]

Better to have 'stupid as fuck' in the White House than the lying, faithless, unfit pantywaist we have now.

33 years. I figured I'd never see it again. One hell of an October Surprise...

Watergate with dead people. Listen to the cover-up.

Unfit for command.



--

What is a pantywaist, theoryman? And "better to have a stupid as fuck as president." But surely the US has tried that a few times - most recently with Bush. And look at the price the world is for that! A massive recession. Total destabilisation of the Middle est. just two examples.

And then there was that great fool Ronald Reagan.

And how do you figure applying faithless to Obama?

The rest of your silly post is hardly worth commenting on.



Remember everyone voting is important!

[GroobySteven]

Ya think ??????? I've said this before...it's your gig run it as you please...I'm here for the girls, not how you and Prospero view Fox News and conservatives. There isn't 2 political opinions that matter less to me. You both know as little about how half the US population feels and thinks than I know about running porn sites. And speaking of the girls...what's your suggestion for getting a few more of them posting and visiting here? The list of the ones who are gone, or seldom post is far longer than the ones who frequent this place. Maybe more tits and ass and less left leaning noise?
.

I probably know more about the whole of the USA than most of the people on here which gives me a unique perspective of the idiocy that drives a few of them and the misrepresentation of facts.

There are plenty of good girls post on here - I'm 100% sure US politics has nothing to do with a bunch not posting and a combination of poor business ideals and ethics by someone within our business and girls getting sick of needless attacks, had everything to do with it.

Maybe after you leave, the girls will return?

[Prospero]

I have my political differences with OMK as everyone who reads our posts must realise. But to be fair to the old twerp, i doubt if his posts per se have driven any girls away. I hope the same is true of mine. Most of this stuff is confined to the political forum .

Mind you his gratuitous insults to everyone including Seanchai are obnoxious. He is but a shallow fellow and it is in his nature to behave thus.

[buttslinger]

I live in the swing state Virginia, run by Republicans. Instead of getting out the vote, their game is throwing out the votes.
This year they've added a few extra hoops to jump through on the envelope that you put your ballot into before you put that envelope into the envelope you mail for absentee voting. It is an obvious attempt to have votes thrown in the trash. FUCKERS.

[theoryman]

And how do you figure applying faithless to Obama?


Faithless to his duties as Commander in Chief. Faith and responsibility in a chain of command run up as well as down.

If you took it as a religious reference, I'm sorry I didn't make my self clearer.

Pantywaist (n)

2)Slang A boy or man who is considered weak or effeminate.

Obviously used as weak.

Gutless may have been a better choice than pantywaist.

The lying and spinning coming out of the administration over Benghazi is as bad as Watergate.

--

[Prospero]

The lying and spinning coming out of the administration over Benghazi is as bad as Watergate.

--

Utter and complete nonsense. Have you no knowledge of history? Watergate was a criminal conspiracy by the President for which he avoided impeachment only by resigning. There is nothing of the sort over Benghazi.

[theoryman]

Utter and complete nonsense. Have you no knowledge of history? Watergate was a criminal conspiracy by the President for which he avoided impeachment only by resigning. There is nothing of the sort over Benghazi.

But I was not referring to the criminal part of Watergate, as should have been clear from my statement about the 'lying and spinning' but sometimes people don't always parse things correctly or I may not have been clear enough.

But, to rephrase, I was comparing the repeated attempts by the Nixon administration and his staff and cabinet to hide and obscure the truth about his criminal actions, just as the Obama administration and his staff and cabinet are trying to hide and obscure the truth about how they abandoned American personnel to die at the hands of terrorists when the means and ability to support them was at hand.

Panetta is, at best, making excuses after the fact to cover for his boss. At worst, he is incompetent as well.

I suspect that Clinton's hands were tied by her boss.

And, nothing criminal has come out yet.

--

[maxpower]

When a set of State Department emails were released Wednesday, one reporting that a local Islamist militia had claimed responsibility for the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the US ambassador to Libya, conservatives thought they had the smoking gun that the Obama administration had lied about what had occurred.

There's only one problem—well, actually, there are many, but one big one: The email appears to have been incorrect.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/benghazi-libya-state-emails




TOP TEN LAME OCTOBER SURPRISES

10. George H.W. Bush admitting he’s the father of George W. Bush.
9. Jimmy Carter’s confession that he’s cheated at Scrabble “in his heart.”
8. John McCain accused of driving under the influence of soup.
7. George McGovern’s allegation that Richard Nixon tapes songs off the radio.
6. Rumors suggesting Abraham Lincoln’s hat concealed a “stovepipe head.”
5. Democrats’ claim Eisenhower wanted slogan “I lick Ike.”
4. Walter Mondale tearfully acknowledging his hazelnut allergy.
3. Suggestion that Barack Obama has surgically enhanced ears.
2. Mitt Romney’s investment in companies that order Chinese take-out.
1. Donald Trump offering $5 million to unearth anyone who still takes him seriously.

[buttslinger]

I'd like to see Romney's taxes leaked on November Second. SOMEBODY'S gotta have a copy!
Maybe that's why Romney walks so funny, he knows he misplaced a copy somewher....ha ha

[aprilian]

I heard Romney polled high with undereducated white men.......
For Republicans that's called

The Base.

[theoryman]

When a set of State Department emails were released Wednesday, one reporting that a local Islamist militia had claimed responsibility for the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the US ambassador to Libya, conservatives thought they had the smoking gun that the Obama administration had lied about what had occurred.

There's only one problem—well, actually, there are many, but one big one: The email appears to have been incorrect.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/benghazi-libya-state-emails

Interesting. If true, it doesn't change my feelings at all. My issue is not if it was or was not a terrorist attack.

My issue is with leaving our people to die.




TOP TEN LAME OCTOBER SURPRISES

10. George H.W. Bush admitting he’s the father of George W. Bush.
9. Jimmy Carter’s confession that he’s cheated at Scrabble “in his heart.”
8. John McCain accused of driving under the influence of soup.
7. George McGovern’s allegation that Richard Nixon tapes songs off the radio.
6. Rumors suggesting Abraham Lincoln’s hat concealed a “stovepipe head.”
5. Democrats’ claim Eisenhower wanted slogan “I lick Ike.”
4. Walter Mondale tearfully acknowledging his hazelnut allergy.
3. Suggestion that Barack Obama has surgically enhanced ears.
2. Mitt Romney’s investment in companies that order Chinese take-out.
1. Donald Trump offering $5 million to unearth anyone who still takes him seriously.

Pretty good! Thanks for the laugh!

--

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.

[buttslinger]

My issue is with leaving our people to die.

When you get all your information from a guy who sells aluminum siding on the side, you're skating on thin ice.

[theoryman]

When you get all your information from a guy who sells aluminum siding on the side, you're skating on thin ice.

Say what?

--

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)
Whoever your choice, make sure your vote isn't suppressed.

Get your papers, help your family, friends and neighbors get theirs and then vote.