17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[Nicole Dupre]

Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread...

OMK loves that word too. Did you both learn it somewhere on FOX News? You know, you two should get a room and fuck each other's pseudo intellectual white trash brains out. I think he has a crush on you.

[yourdaddy]

OMK loves that word too. Did you both learn it somewhere on FOX News? You know, you two should get a room and fuck each other's pseudo intellectual white trash brains out. I think he has a crush on you.

Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.
Did you graduate high school?

[urbanchampion]

Nicole, people like you that exhibit all the traits of illusory superiority are so simple to recognize. Your "Downing Effect" syndrome is evident in everything you write. Quit trying to prove you have such an obvious bias blind spot.




As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).

I find it very interesting how both of you keep dodging the responses I make to your posts.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1120318&postcount=464

For instance, cigar still hasn't said anything about how Zimmerman has a criminal record, and not Martin.

[yourdaddy]

Did you graduate high school?

No, that's what I remember from psych 101 at a good SEC school. I just googled "Nicole Dupree...narcissist".

[trish]

... illusory superiority...It's not illusory that Nicole is far brighter than you; it's clear, it's true, it's a fact. Get used to it.

[giovanni_hotel]

Yvonne, keep all the factors in this case that we know the same, except change ONE variable; the race of assailant and victim.

Do you honestly think if a Black self-appointed neighborhood watch captain claimed he saw a 'suspicious' looking White teen in a hoodie talking on the phone with his GF carrying Skittles and a can of Ice Tea, got into an altercation and shot that White unarmed kid through the heart, do you really believe that Black murderer would be able to credibly claim 'self defense' and not be arrested??

This is where my outrage comes from, the consistent double standard and the reason why I personally try to keep the temperature turned down on any possible confrontation with a stranger.

I'm 50/50 Zimmerman is convicted of anything or has to serve significant jail time, but this paper thin defense of hiding behind the SYG law is IMO just another example of veiled racism that is all too easy to see.

When Zimmerman is arrested, people will quit bitching.
But for that punk to be free for over 40 days because he claims a kid that he was following threatened HIS life is bullshit.

I know White people get hassled for looking a certain way or wearing the 'wrong' clothes. But the difference is IMO that when you're Black, you will catch grief from authorities just for NOT being White.

Not all the time. But collectively, it goes on way too frequently.

ROughly over half of all the Black men I know have been pulled over by cops for NO FUCKING LEGITIMATE REASON. Except for the race of the driver.

Yvonne you know why you have this impression that the races are becoming more divided??
Because White people are tired of being reminded that racism still exists.
And Black and Brown people are sick of the fact that racism won't go away.

This never would have been a national story if the Sanford PD had acted like any normal PD and arrested Zimmerman on probable cause and actually investigated this case.

[urbanchampion]

It's not illusory that Nicole is far brighter than you; it's clear, it's true, it's a fact. Get used to it.

LOL. He only chooses to make half-assed responses to certain comments directed at him when he runs his mouth, and he gets embarrassed by the ones he does choose to respond to.

[yodajazz]

Respectfully suggest you look up the actual definition of assault because you have it 100% incorrect.

This whole debate (meaning the greater debate, not just this board) is so horribly jaded from how it's been reported. Hell, just look at the title of this thread! It's almost impossible for form an unbiased opinion - one because the media loads so much bias on every word for good ratings and two because so few *actual* facts are available.

Remember there are always 3 sides to every story his, hers (or his #2 in this case) and the truth. That doesn't even necessarily mean either person is lying - but how each person sees an event will vary. Especially something like this where adrenaline is flowing and everyone's excited, scared, and outside their element.

The major issue, is that one side of this story will never be told. Zimmerman pursued someone who was unarmed and he had a gun. The unarmed person comes up dead. Let for a minute think about the scenario that Zimmerman was a trained policeman. In such a case, he would have been put on adminstrative leave until the matter was investigated. But now, some new Florida law, changes concepts of the defintion of self defense, which has been around for centuries, even before there was a United States.

And by the way, if you say that Hippifried, is "100 percent wrong", I think you owe an explanation how this is so. We all come from different legal jurisdictions. However, according to media reports, Martin's girlfriend, who was on the phone with reported that he was very concerned, (maybe scared might be a better word.) His friend was reported as advising him to run. So this is evidence that he felt a threat. I know that this is not legal evidence. There any many questions and possibilties. I say that a debating public wants/needs answers. This includes your definitions, mr legal scholar.

[Nicole Dupre]

No, that's what I remember from psych 101 at a good SEC school. I just googled "Nicole Dupree...narcissist".
Well, I'm glad you can at least admit you couldn't finish high school. That's a big step.

Now look in the mirror and say these words:

"I am dumb Floridian white trash, and Nicole Dupre is my intellectual superior. I also have horrible body odor, and I never change my underwear."

Go ahead... Say it!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

The major issue, is that one side of this story will never be told. Zimmerman pursued someone who was unarmed and he had a gun. The unarmed person comes up dead. Let for a minute think about the scenario that Zimmerman was a trained policeman. In such a case, he would have been put on adminstrative leave until the matter was investigated. But now, some new Florida law, changes concepts of the defintion of self defense, which has been around for centuries, even before there was a United States.

And by the way, if you say that Hippifried, is "100 percent wrong", I think you owe an explanation how this is so. We all come from different legal jurisdictions. However, according to media reports, Martin's girlfriend, who was on the phone with reported that he was very concerned, (maybe scared might be a better word.) His friend was reported as advising him to run. So this is evidence that he felt a threat. I know that this is not legal evidence. There any many questions and possibilties. I say that a debating public wants/needs answers. This includes your definitions, mr legal scholar.
Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent

[yodajazz]

"I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim."

You have to be kidding.

I realize that this is mainly a TS porn related forum, but please don't base your arguments on the movies. A young boy is dead, and most of us are trying to get a sense of what happened by the available evidence. This is a serious matter and there may be race riots and more people killed because of this incident. The New Black Panther Party is advocating killing Zimmerman and other "crackers." This is the time Obama ought to speak up and tell the black community to allow the justice system to work. Race riots will only doom Obama's reelection chances. Obama needs to be the President who represents all Americans, not just Americans that look like him.

As I think can be seen from my previous posts that I think that is someone physically assaults you then you have the right to defend yourself. Contrary to the opinion of some on this board, the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).

First of movies can be used as evidence that an idea is possibly a widespread one. Seems to me that you operate under the assumption that Zimmeramn was telling the truth. The possibility exists that he was not telling the truth. It would not be the first time that someone lied, who was facing a possible conviction for taking someone's life. And fact people that pre-meditate murder, have often preconcieved an alibi for their actions. Zimmerman reportedly did not go to the hospital, where more official documentation of his injuries were made, until the next day.
This leaves a possible time frame for tampering with hie injuries, as evidence. I'm not saying he did this. I'm only speculating about possiblities. But what really makes me suspicious is that Trayvon went so far to provide Zimmerman with self defense proof, according to what I have heard, about his story. He reportedly, either attacked Zimmerman form behind, or dragged him (the heavier man) from his secured vehicle, then declared verbally his intention to kill him, while assaulting him. This from a kid with no police record, and no record of violence. Zimmerman, who called the police to report a suspcious person, in an area that had had break-ins, then turned his back on Maritn. Or walked back to his vehicle, without looking back a this 'suspicous person'. This does not seem logical to me.

But, I did forget that Trayvonn was photographed raising his middle finger, and/or had a tatoo, or a gold tooth. This is real proof that he intended to kill someone. Fear makes people irrational. It is the root of the cause of this whole incident, (from the law, to the actions of the individuals). There is a Bible verse (in the book of Timothy), that says that "God did not give us the spirit of fear, but of a sound mind,..." It would be wonderful for people to be fighting Fear, instead of being ruled by it. Bad things do happen, but the human race is more populous than ever. This is mathematical proof that there is more love, than there is hate and fear. And I am not kidding, either.

[onmyknees]

Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent

Uh oh the twisted bitch is back trolling me again.....but it's all good she entertains me, and I don't have to pay a dime ......Hey if you got a fucking bone to pick with mild cigar....pick it and leave me the fuck out of it you nasty bitch. I read some interesting shit on this thread, but none of it from you...I mean really...read your last three posts..........and you're calling other people dumb and ignorant ? That's hysterical. No matter what the topic you'll reach for the lowest common denominator relatively quickly, yet accuse others of exactly that. Bi Polar much? .. Nothing I've said on this entire post warrants being called pejoratives by a sewer rat like you.
You're one miserable ,melodramatic , medicated moonbat.. You fuck a couple of black dudes for some coin, and now you're a race relations expert? LMAO. Well I guess you can put on a resume "real life experience". You shoot your mouth off more than any Sicilian since Sammy the Bull....and look where it got him.........anonymity. Come to think of it...might not be a bad gig for you. You could start all over ....a new life in a new state in middle America..ya know with those white folks you loath....... lmao....but you'd be the same psychotic bitch. lol
Leave me out of your ignorant, oversimplistic rants.

[hippifried]

Stop trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're talking to morons. Yourdaddy, OMK, and mildcigar are all MORONS. :2cent
Hey there. I'm Mo. This my brother, Mo. & this is my other brother, Mo.
We're the Rons.


Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

[Nicole Dupre]

Uh oh the twisted bitch is back trolling me again.....but it's all good she entertains me, and I don't have to pay a dime ......Hey if you got a fucking bone to pick with mild cigar....pick it and leave me the fuck out of it you nasty bitch. I read some interesting shit on this thread, but none of it from you...I mean really...read your last three posts..........and you're calling other people dumb and ignorant ? That's hysterical. No matter what the topic you'll reach for the lowest common denominator relatively quickly, yet accuse others of exactly that. Bi Polar much? .. Nothing I've said on this entire post warrants being called pejoratives by a sewer rat like you.
You're one miserable ,melodramatic , medicated moonbat.. You fuck a couple of black dudes for some coin, and now you're a race relations expert? LMAO. Well I guess you can put on a resume "real life experience". You shoot your mouth off more than any Sicilian since Sammy the Bull....and look where it got him.........anonymity. Come to think of it...might not be a bad gig for you. You could start all over ....a new life in a new state in middle America..ya know with those white folks you loath....... lmao....but you'd be the same psychotic bitch. lol
Leave me out of your ignorant, oversimplistic rants.
Oh, shut up, you white trash jail bird. Tell us all about how you were Vietnam in detail now, you big lying loser. Go ahead...

[Nicole Dupre]

OMK runs for the hills if you confront him on his lies. Unless you give him a chance to regurgitate what he saw on FOX News recently, he's at a loss for words. He's such a big doofus. *smdh

[buttslinger]

OMK, your boy Zimmerman called Sean Hannity (against Lawyer's wishes)
I don't think your buddy wants to go to jail. I don't think he really want's justice to run it's course.

[Willie Escalade]

I hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-trayvon-martin-165415603--abc-news-entertainment.html

He stated that "When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody." Technically, he's right. In defending yourself with a gun (or your fists for that matter) you'll have to harm someone else.

In one of the comments someone said "No gun, different outcome." Yup!

[Nicole Dupre]

I hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-breaks-silence-trayvon-martin-165415603--abc-news-entertainment.html

He stated that "When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody." Technically, he's right. In defending yourself with a gun (or your fists for that matter) you'll have to harm someone else.

In one of the comments someone said "No gun, different outcome." Yup!
Oh. Well we all know if we saw Bill Cosby walking around outside a gated community he'd just have to be up to no good. I mean, mildcigar has his doctorate on who to follow home with a gun and shoot when you see them walking outside on a public street, and according to him it's black guys. I wouldn't trust that Cosby guy he looks like he's dangerous; like he might stab someone with a pudding pop. ;-) lol

[nonnonnon]

Pound Cake speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech)

[yourdaddy]

hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html)

Bill Cosby is one of the only sane black voices in America today. I know you HATE to quote him, but thank God he is assured enough in his own skin to tell the truth about society today.

Let's face it...the only black morality today was taught by the family and especially by the fathers. Has anyone seen the stats on black fatherhood lately? Probably not from the liberal press.

[Nicole Dupre]

hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

Bill Cosby is one of the only sane black voices in America today. I know you HATE to quote him, but thank God he is assured enough in his own skin to tell the truth about society today....

Bill Cosby Breaks Silence on Trayvon Martin

By LUCHINA FISHER (@luchina)
April 9, 2012

Bill Cosby has weighed in on the Trayvon Martin case.

The famed comedian told the Washington Times that neighborhood watch volunteers like George Zimmerman, who shot and killed the unarmed black teenager, should not be allowed to carry guns.

"We've got to get the gun out of the hands of people who are supposed to be on neighborhood watch," Cosby said in his first public remarks about the case, published today.

"Without a gun, I don't see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself," Cosby added. "The power-of-the-gun mentality had him unafraid to confront someone. Even police call for backup in similar situations.

"When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody."

"The Cosby Show" star's remarks were immediately circulated on the Web, including conservative sites that took issue with Cosby's pinpointing "the gun" as the problem.

[buttslinger]

Bill Cosby's son was tragically shot to death.

[onmyknees]

Let's put aside your imagination a minute. The justice system let Zimmerman walk out the door. Without even a court date appearance. Am I right, Whiteman?


Imagination has nothing to do with it, girly man. Facts do. And you're short on facts as usual. When he is arrested, and it seems likely he will be.....I guess we can expect you'll start a thread saying justice delayed is not necessarily justice denied, and that you were wrong. The justice system let OJ and Casey Anthony off...so what the fuck's your point ? That it's perfect?
And BTW...unless every spell check I looked at is wrong......white man is two words........dummy. You got a problem with that? lmao

[natina]

zimmerman in hiding--NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/travon-martin-george-zimmerman_n_1412693.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501366_162-57411994/attorney-zimmerman-defense-fund-website-is-real/

NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/562237/thumbs/s-GEORGE-ZIMMERMAN-large.jpg


A number of websites have come forward claiming to collect financial support for George Zimmerman’s legal fees.


TOP POST VERY IMPORTANT!



The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.

"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty)on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip (http://www.youtube.com/embed/XSFbdZRb0dc), came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.

NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE

[buttslinger]

You got a problem with that?

Well, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew OJ did it,
And, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew Casey Anthony did it,
And Whiteman, Every police detective in the united states thinks your boy Zimmerman should have been arrested that night.

They say the RIGHT's new hero ain't doin too good. He may not cut it in the slam.

[natina]

notice NO BRUISES ON George Zimmerman's FACE AS HE APPEARS IN THE PRISON ISSUE OF CLOTHES


A number of websites have come forward claiming to collect financial support for George Zimmerman’s legal fees.
THE CHILD WAS THE ONE YELLING FOR HELP NOT ZIMMERMAN


Zimmermann previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer with Violence



According to a records search on George, George M. Zimmermann was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer. Or maybe is it because Zimmerman’s father is a retired judge hence the three dropped and why the state attorney’s office decided not to press charges?


http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg


zimmerman in hiding--NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/travon-martin-george-zimmerman_n_1412693.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501366_162-57411994/attorney-zimmerman-defense-fund-website-is-real/

NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE


http://i.huffpost.com/gen/562237/thumbs/s-GEORGE-ZIMMERMAN-large.jpg


A number of websites have come forward claiming to collect financial support for George Zimmerman’s legal fees.



NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[hippifried]

notice NO BRUISES ON George Zimmerman's FACE AS HE APPEARS IN THE PRISON ISSUE OF CLOTHES
NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE
NOTICE! NO BRUISES ON HIS FACE

...& on & on & on ad nauseum...

Of course there's no bruises. That's an old picture.

Go catch up to reality.

[natina]

NO BRUISES HERE EITHER

New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman’s Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17i5fpv90w8aijpg/medium.jpg

While George Zimmerman still has not been charged in the shooting death (http://gawker.com/5894647/how-to-get-away-with-murder-and-other-things-the-killing-of-unarmed-black-teen-trayvon-martin-teaches-us) of Trayvon Martin, his public defense — as espoused by his lawyer and family members — rests on the fact that Zimmerman was involved in a physical altercation with Martin. New evidence, however, contradicts that version of events. First there was the security camera footage (http://gawker.com/5897318/george-zimmerman-doesnt-look-bloodied-or-bruised-on-this-security-tape) from the night Zimmerman claims Martin beat him senselessly: to most who watched the video, Zimmerman appeared unscathed.
Now Richard Kurtz, the Miami funeral director who examined Trayvon Martin's body, says (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ems-tapes-show-george-zimmerman-sustain-fatal-injuries-encounter-trayvon-martin-article-1.1053821) the body "showed no signs of a violent brawl."


We could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle [or] there had been a fight. The hands — I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there.
In the strongest statement issued, Kurtz says Trayvon Martin "looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see." CBS has Funeral director on Trayvon Martin's lack of injuries - CBS News Video (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403734n) of the interview with Kurtz.
Furthermore, EMS documents obtained by the New York Daily News Friday indicate that a second ambulance was canceled. It had been called for the "second victim" who was "not a gunshot." Whatever injuries Zimmerman did sustain in the apparent fight must not have been sufficient to merit emergency medical response.


http://gawker.com/5898036/new-evidence-contradicts-zimmermans-claim-of-a-violent-fight-with-trayvon-martin
QUOTE=hippifried;1121928]...& on & on & on ad nauseum...

Of course there's no bruises. That's an old picture.

Go catch up to reality.[/QUOTE]

[trish]

When he is arrested, and it seems likely he will be. If Zimmerman is ever taken in for proper interrogation it will only be because of the public outrage and the light being shone on this incident. The police clearly thought this would go away and never see the light of day. They were content to let Zimmerman walk with his gun on the lame excuse that he thought his life was in danger.


I guess we can expect you'll start a thread saying justice delayed is not necessarily justice denied, and that you were wrong.It's true that justice delayed is not NECESSARILY justice denied...if you ignore the extended pain and suffering of Trayvon's family...and you ignore the injustice of living under SYG which allows this sort of miscarriage to occur. But there is also more to justice than a thorough interrogation of the shooter. There needs also to be thorough investigation of the evidence, and it's already too late for that. Neighbors should've been questioned while their memories were fresh, the scene should have been swept by a forensics team before it was contaminated, Zimmerman should have search for evidence of defensive wounds etc. No. It's too late for real justice. If Zimmerman is guilty of murder, it's probably too late already to determine that beyond a reasonable doubt. If Zimmerman is innocent, it's probably too late to determine that in the court of popular opinion. But I'll applaud if Trayvon's family get their optimal share of justice under the law and if Zimmerman gets his fair and optimal share of justice under the law.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew OJ did it,
And, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew Casey Anthony did it,
And Whiteman, Every police detective in the united states thinks your boy Zimmerman should have been arrested that night.

They say the RIGHT's new hero ain't doin too good. He may not cut it in the slam.
I love that comic book. Great stuff. lol

[urbanchampion]

hate to bring Bill Cosby into this, but...

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bill-cosby-bre...rtainment.html)

Bill Cosby is one of the only sane black voices in America today. I know you HATE to quote him, but thank God he is assured enough in his own skin to tell the truth about society today.

Let's face it...the only black morality today was taught by the family and especially by the fathers. Has anyone seen the stats on black fatherhood lately? Probably not from the liberal press.


"You hate to quote him"? Who? Point out a person/people if you're going to make such claims. Who hates to quote Bill Cosby? I'm black and I agree with what Bill Cosby said about social issues. My family and a lot of other black people I know personally agree with the things that Bill has said. Why are you under the assumption that virtually all, or at least a downright huge amount, of black people don't care about living well, being honest, etc, and would rather soak up the stuff that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton talk about as opposed to what Cosby has talked about? Stereotype much? Not all black people are super liberal to the point of not having a sane voice. I happen to be a registered Libertarian. I'm also an ATHEIST. What did you think I was? A Baptist Democrat, just because I'm black? You CONTINUE to embarrass yourself every time you open your damn mouth.

I'm also still waiting for you, and mildcigar, to finally go through puberty and develop the testicular fortitude to answer the questions I have specifically directed towards the both of you.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1121520&postcount=504

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1120318&postcount=464

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1118100&postcount=392

You have both refused to respond/comment/answer. Instead, you go about using inflammatory comments directed towards other posters on the forum, or blurting out random nonsensical bullshit, and then of course that backfires, and you continue to make yourselves look like trolling asshats.

[yourdaddy]

What was the question again?

Are you rabble-rousers disappointed that the justice system is working now that Zimmerman has been charged?

[EvonRose]

He has to go to jail, it is 2012 and the system should advance!

[trish]

What was the question again?

Are you rabble-rousers disappointed that the justice system is working now that Zimmerman has been charged?Not at all. I said as much right here. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1121948&postcount=530 Do you ever the evidence peruse before you accuse?

[Willie Escalade]

According to an article I just read (AND I'M NOT STATING THIS IS FACT), Trayvon was visiting a friend who lived in the gated community...

http://theredphoenixapl.org/2012/04/03/911-call-trayvon-martin-cried-for-help-before-gunshot/

It popped up in a Google search...

[Stavros]

Will be interesting to see what the charges are.

In the meantime the same Prosecutor, Angela Corey is going to put a 12 year old boy on trial as an adult -he assaulted his brother who died from a fractured skull and internal bleeding -when his mother returned home she put an ice pack on his head and spent two hours checking the condition on the internet before taking the child to hospital where he died 2 days later. If convicted the boy will spend the rest of his life in prison.

Ever think you might want to engage in penal reform in the USA? Your prison population was 380,000 in 1980, its now over 2 million...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57337428-504083/12-year-old-murder-suspect-to-be-charged-as-adult-plea-deal-unlikely/

[giovanni_hotel]

Trayvon was at his father's condo in the gated community watching a b-ball game. The story is I believe he went to get a drink and candy for himself and stepbrother. Zimmerman followed him home after he left the 7-Eleven.

[giovanni_hotel]

Will be interesting to see what the charges are.

In the meantime the same Prosecutor, Angela Corey is going to put a 12 year old boy on trial as an adult -he assaulted his brother who died from a fractured skull and internal bleeding -when his mother returned home she put an ice pack on his head and spent two hours checking the condition on the internet before taking the child to hospital where he died 2 days later. If convicted the boy will spend the rest of his life in prison.

Ever think you might want to engage in penal reform in the USA? Your prison population was 380,000 in 1980, its now over 2 million...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57337428-504083/12-year-old-murder-suspect-to-be-charged-as-adult-plea-deal-unlikely/

Incarcerating people and having it subsidized by the government is BIG BUSINESS.

There won't be any major reforms to the criminal justice system until we start emptying max security facilities because of overcrowding.

[giovanni_hotel]

FINALLY!!

Arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder.

[Nicole Dupre]

What was the question again?

Are you rabble-rousers disappointed that the justice system is working now that Zimmerman has been charged?

I think the real question is, are you disappointed? Will you be disappointed if he goes to jail and gets buttfucked by some big, angry black men?

[onmyknees]

Well, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew OJ did it,
And, Whiteman, every police detective in the united states knew Casey Anthony did it,
And Whiteman, Every police detective in the united states thinks your boy Zimmerman should have been arrested that night.

They say the RIGHT's new hero ain't doin too good. He may not cut it in the slam.



You're a race baiting moron...probably way too ignorant to even waste a reply on, but unlike some....I believe even the woefully dumbest among us should be confronted, and shown to be what they are.


We speak about facts.....so now the balls in your court shithead...go back and find one word, one sentence where I led you to believe Zimmerman was "my boy". In fact, I believe in one post I specifically said it's no skin off my ass if he's indicted.....my point was to let the professionals do their work, but idiots like you watch purposely edited tapes, and base your equally idiotic posts on misinformation. How could a guy who tells us he went to one of the major universities in the country be so ill equipped to discuss much of anything? This is what people like you do.....you're too dumb to argue merits, so you poison and pollute the dialogue with emotional nonsense. You're an intellectual lightweight. So now you can celebrate the arrest and we can all get back to peace, love and in your case............ignorance. And in the end....yup...I'm a white man, and you're a dumb man. In fact...you're no brighter today then when you got behind the wheel plastered and put everyone else in danger....lmao Carry on Einstein

[hangman]

He has to go to jail, it is 2012 and the system should advance!

The system should advance. What does that mean? What if the facts come out that he did shoot Trayvon in self-defense. You think that in that circumstance the jury should nonetheless convict him so as to advance the system?

[amberskyi]

POW....charged with 2nd degree murder...all these arguments are pointless now

[giovanni_hotel]

The system should advance. What does that mean? What if the facts come out that he did shoot Trayvon in self-defense. You think that in that circumstance the jury should nonetheless convict him so as to advance the system?

Prove it in court.

I'd rather call a bunch of jurists idiots than believe law enforcement is corrupt.
When you shoot an unarmed kid that you were following and call it self-defense, you need to be arrested on GP.

If you are found not guilty after the fact, so be it.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Im sorrry but if a 6 foot something blk man starts hitting me and I have a gun...id do the same

[hangman]

Prove it in court.
When you shoot an unarmed kid that you were following and call it self-defense, you need to be arrested on GP.


Well, when you put it like that I agree with you. However, I suspect that there is a lot more to the story than him merely shooting an unarmed kid that he was following.

We all know that because of the political pressure there is no way the State was not going to arrest and charge him.

[trish]

You're a race baiting moron...probably way too ignorant to even waste a reply on, but unlike some....I believe even the woefully dumbest among us should be confronted, and shown to be what they are.


We speak about facts.....so now the balls in your court shithead...go back and find one word, one sentence where I led you to believe Zimmerman was "my boy". In fact, I believe in one post I specifically said it's no skin off my ass if he's indicted.....my point was to let the professionals do their work, but idiots like you watch purposely edited tapes, and base your equally idiotic posts on misinformation. How could a guy who tells us he went to one of the major universities in the country be so ill equipped to discuss much of anything? This is what people like you do.....you're too dumb to argue merits, so you poison and pollute the dialogue with emotional nonsense. You're an intellectual lightweight. So now you can celebrate the arrest and we can all get back to peace, love and in your case............ignorance. And in the end....yup...I'm a white man, and you're a dumb man. In fact...you're no brighter today then when you got behind the wheel plastered and put everyone else in danger....lmao Carry on Einstein
This whole diatribe is an exercise in poisoning and polluting the dialogue. Thanks for being an extreme example of what you're ranting against. But then this is what people like you do.

[buttslinger]

And in the end....yup...I'm a white man, and you're a dumb man.

You approach me on the street with your self-appointed gestapo shit and watch what happens. You'll be on the ground crying, just like your boy, Zimmerman. LMAO Think hard, now, onmyknees, were your parents redneck rascists? LMAO

[hangman]

You approach me on the street with your self-appointed gestapo shit and watch what happens. You'll be on the ground crying, just like your boy, Zimmerman. LMAO Think hard, now, onmyknees, were your parents redneck rascists? LMAO

Would you still do it if you knew that he might have a gun?

[onmyknees]

This whole diatribe is an exercise in poisoning and polluting the dialogue. Thanks for being an extreme example of what you're ranting against. But then this is what people like you do.


Eat me. Then go find where I called Zimmerman my boy or in anyway defended him and not the process. You can join your buddy butt head in that search.... The thought that I'd sympathize with someone based simply on the fact of half his race sounds much closer to your M.O. than mine. You think I'm going to let people like you and that other moron misrepresent what I said, and laugh it off or not respond? You'll defend anybody that takes issue with me...that's pretty funny actually. What's that say about you? lol My diatribe as you call it....came only after his race baiting and misrepresentation....surely you can figure that out...can't you?

[buttslinger]

Would you still do it if you knew that he might have a gun?

No, I'd get his license plate number and come back with my gun.

[EvonRose]

Im sorrry but if a 6 foot something blk man starts hitting me and I have a gun...id do the same

You do know that never happened in this situation right, the black BOY not MAN was innocent..

[trish]

Then go find where I called Zimmerman my boy or in anyway defended him and not the process.Why should I? Go to where I called him "your boy." I only saying your diatribe is prime example of what it accuses others of posting. Surely you can figure that out, can't you?

[hangman]

You do know that never happened in this situation right, the black BOY not MAN was innocent..

I'm not saying that Trayvon was not innocent, but how do you KNOW that he was innocent?

[EvonRose]

I'm not saying that Trayvon was not innocent, but how do you KNOW that he was innocent?

Well, evidence I gathered from the investigators indicate to me that he was innocent. Zimmerman has been caught in lies after lies after contradictions... He lost his credibility.

[hangman]

Well, evidence I gathered from the investigators indicate to me that he was innocent. Zimmerman has been caught in lies after lies after contradictions... He lost his credibility.

You have gathered evidence?

If you haven't gathered evidence and have only read accounts I have done that too. And, I still have no idea what exactly happened. I don't believe that Zimmerman has been quoted by any reporter. I think that the only words that have been said to have come from Zimmerman were actually attributed to him by third persons speaking to reporters. Anyone who relies on those statements does so at their peril.

[EvonRose]

You have gathered evidence?

If you haven't gathered evidence and have only read accounts I have done that too. And, I still have no idea what exactly happened. I don't believe that Zimmerman has been quoted by any reporter. I think that the only words that have been said to have come from Zimmerman were actually attributed to him by third persons speaking to reporters. Anyone who relies on those statements does so at their peril.

it does not take mch to realize that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing...

[hangman]

it does not take mch to realize that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing...

You clearly are inclined to "realize" that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing but you don't KNOW it. You have no idea whether Zimmerman abandoned his pursuit of Trayvon. You have no idea who spoke to whom first. You have no idea who made the first aggressive move. You have no idea who initiated the physical altercation. You have no knowledge of any of this. Let's hope for every American's sake that each member of the jury is more fair-minded than you are.

[nonnonnon]

he got his trial by media and it's murder not even manslaughter. wow

[buttslinger]

Let's hope for every American's sake that each member of the jury is more fair-minded than you are.

Was the DA correct to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree manslaughter?

[EvonRose]

You clearly are inclined to "realize" that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing but you don't KNOW it. You have no idea whether Zimmerman abandoned his pursuit of Trayvon. You have no idea who spoke to whom first. You have no idea who made the first aggressive move. You have no idea who initiated the physical altercation. You have no knowledge of any of this. Let's hope for every American's sake that each member of the jury is more fair-minded than you are.

Well police video had been proven he saw trayvon randomly after coming out or from a candy store..

It's not like there was any just cause, And there certainly were other ways to handle it, even the cops tried to reason with Zimmerman but he did not comply...

[hangman]

Was the DA correct to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree manslaughter?

I have no idea. We'll find out at trial.

[hangman]

It's not like there was any just cause, And there certainly were other ways to handle it, even the cops tried to reason with Zimmerman but he did not comply...

How do you know that he didn't have just cause to shoot Trayvon? Maybe he reasonably feared for his life. Hopefully that question will be answered at trial.

As far as other ways to handle "it", I don't know what you mean. The cops didn't try to reason with Zimmerman. The 911 operator told Zimmerman that he didn't need to follow Trayvon. Neither you nor I have any knowledge of whether Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon or not. And, even if he did follow Trayvon you have no knowledge as to who initiated the confrontation. You have no knowledge of anything. Zimmerman may be guilty, but neither you nor I know the truth at this point. But continuing to say that he is guilty without knowledge is not very smart.

[EvonRose]

How do you know that he didn't have just cause to shoot Trayvon? Maybe he reasonably feared for his life. Hopefully that question will be answered at trial.

As far as other ways to handle "it", I don't know what you mean. The cops didn't try to reason with Zimmerman. The 911 operator told Zimmerman that he didn't need to follow Trayvon. Neither you nor I have any knowledge of whether Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon or not. And, even if he did follow Trayvon you have no knowledge as to who initiated the confrontation. You have no knowledge of anything. Zimmerman may be guilty, but neither you nor I know the truth at this point. But continuing to say that he is guilty without knowledge is not very smart.


Oh yeah i do know he did fear for his life.... Because he is crazy, he suffered from post traumatic.... So I do believe he created this scenario...

We will see if he's prosecuted due to evidence then I'm right, if he isn't then I will give him the benefit of the doubt..

[hippifried]

You approach me on the street with your self-appointed gestapo shit and watch what happens. You'll be on the ground crying, just like your boy, Zimmerman.Would you still do it if you knew that he might have a gun?
Yes. Even more likely & quicker. As far as I'm concerned, this guy's a mugger. Show me any reason to think otherwise. By his pursuit, he's already shown that he's coming for me. We're beyond making nice. If I think he has a gun, or especially if he brandishes one, then there's really no other way out for me except to incapacitate him. He's falling backwards? Well gee, I think I'll come down as hard as possible with all my weight on one knee in the middle of his sternum (if not his neck) & see what breaks. Then after sticking my thumbs in both his eyes, I might quietly retreat. Maybe not. I might have to wait & systematically break all his fingers. On & on, until I'm satisfied that he can't shoot me. There's no animosity on my part. It's just survival. I owe my assailant no quarter, no sympathy, & no mercy as long as the threat exists.

Is there any possible way that Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as anything other than a threat?

[hangman]

Oh yeah i do know he did fear for his life.... Because he is crazy, he suffered from post traumatic.... So I do believe he created this scenario...

We will see if he's prosecuted due to evidence then I'm right, if he isn't then I will give him the benefit of the doubt..

Alright, enough about this. Evon, how about posting some new photos?

[EvonRose]

Alright, enough about this. Evon, how about posting some new photos?

No I don't like my pics up, I'm shy,,,

[gccTelnet]

All the people who are so certain that they "know" Zimmerman is guilty should go back and read the early press coverage on the Duke Lacrosse hoax. Again and again the press "reported" things "proving" their guilt, things that later on turned out to be complete fabrications. Why, 'cause the press love to jump to conclusions, so stop assuming that you know what happened, because none of us really know.

Given that NBC has already fired a producer for doctoring a tape to make Zimmerman look bad, why wouldn't you think some humility would help.

FYI, all the talk about "Stand your ground" laws is moot, he's not defending himself on that law.

[yourdaddy]

No I don't like my pics up, I'm shy,,,


Shy, smart and absolutely gorgeous.

[natina]

there is a bounty on his head

he will get a tooth brush in his neck


snitches get stitches and live with the bitches

[yourdaddy]

there is a bounty on his head

he will get a tooth brush in his neck


snitches get stitches and live with the bitches


Sad commentary, but Oh, so true.

[natina]

HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!


Guerilla Black feat Beenie Man - Compton - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShbbs2VbRU)


Sad commentary, but Oh, so true.

HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!


HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!


HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!


HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!


HATE IT BUT RECITE,ITS a G THANG!

[amberskyi]

You clearly are inclined to "realize" that Zimmerman instigated the whole thing but you don't KNOW it. You have no idea whether Zimmerman abandoned his pursuit of Trayvon. You have no idea who spoke to whom first. You have no idea who made the first aggressive move. You have no idea who initiated the physical altercation. You have no knowledge of any of this. Let's hope for every American's sake that each member of the jury is more fair-minded than you are.

so you dont think stalking someone and confronting them with a firearm is aggressive?!?

[natina]

Criminally Negligent Homicide


(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)


What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.


Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:


-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator


-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program


-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement



Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.


He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.




In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,

or the firing of the gun.

Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.

If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...

then he's guilty under the law.

[yourdaddy]

We all thought Casey Anthony was guilty too. I never thought for a minute that O.J. was innocent.

[mildcigar_2001]

You're an ass.
I turned up home with ear pierced, bleach-tipped hair, pink shirt and skin tight jeans which didn't go down too well either, when I was 15.


If I am an Ass, you sir are a Fool. I think my point remains that if you are a seventeen year-old with gold teeth and a couple of tattoos then proper supervision by the parents is not being employed.

I think your own experience underscores my point. It appears from your self descibed dress at 15 that you did not enjoy an ideal upbringing, and have thus ended up as an internet pornographer.

I am fully aware that I am in a way (by being a visitor to this site) throwing rocks at glass houses (but I guess my upbrining was far from ideal as well). My point is that if we had better upbrinings perhaps one of us would not be making TS porn and the other of us would not be viewing it. I'm sure we both could find more noble ways to spend our time, but we choose not to.

My point with Treyvon was not that he should have been killed for dressing like a thug, but that if you allow your kid to dress and act like a thug then bad things can happen. If any child of mine showed up acting all ghetto, then the very next day I'd be dropping him or her off at a Military boarding school. I don't think we do our kids any favors letting them act like hooligans.

[giovanni_hotel]

All the people who are so certain that they "know" Zimmerman is guilty should go back and read the early press coverage on the Duke Lacrosse hoax. Again and again the press "reported" things "proving" their guilt, things that later on turned out to be complete fabrications. Why, 'cause the press love to jump to conclusions, so stop assuming that you know what happened, because none of us really know.

Given that NBC has already fired a producer for doctoring a tape to make Zimmerman look bad, why wouldn't you think some humility would help.

FYI, all the talk about "Stand your ground" laws is moot, he's not defending himself on that law.


Zimmerman and his attorney are going to file their first appeal to a judge according to Florida law exclusively on SYG. If he presents a preponderance of evidence to prove he acted under SYG in self-defense, ALL charges could be dropped without a trial.

THe special prosecutor is smart. It's unlikely they convict Zimmerman on 2nd degree murder because of the defendant, the victim involved and the jury bias in Florida,(White men are RARELY ever convicted in murder cases in South Florida for the death of a Black victim:(), however a lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter is almost a lock.

Fat boy is going to be spending much time with the homies in lockup.
Suspicious Black males, 24/7, looking for love.:fuckin:

[chromeheart44m]

that is not a pic of trayvon asshole

[giovanni_hotel]

For all those giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt and who are railing against the lack of media integrity covering this case, would you REALLY be so fair minded if a BLACK self-appointed community watch captain approached a 'suspicious' looking unarmed White teen and gunned him down in self-defense???

Really??lol

[chromeheart44m]

Im sorrry but if a 6 foot something blk man starts hitting me and I have a gun...id do the same
damn ur so beautiful and stupid at the same time ps i love u....:salad:hide-1:

[natina]

ITS a style and not gang attire.

gang attire is khaki pants and tee shirts mostly.

it's low income clothing.

if travon martin was in a GANG ,WHAT GANG IS HE IN?

travon was never in a gang, thats just the fox news and people PARROTING FOX NEWS AND THERE COMMENTATORS

BIGOTS SAY TRAYVON MARTIN WAS IN A GANG!
i DO NOT TO KNOW TO MANY GANG MEMBER THAT EAT SKITTLES AND ICE TEA WHILE TALKING TO THE GIRL FRIEND IN THE RAIN WITH PLANS FOR COLLEGE. "GOING TO COLLEGE,THATS WHITE PEOPLE STUFF,THATS BITCH SHIT WHEN YOU CAN BE A HUSTLER AND SELL SOME COCAINE AND OR BE A BALLER. GOING TO COLLEGE IS SELLING OUT".

MOST WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD FROM A REAL GANG BANGER IN THERE LIFE.
YOU WOULD BE MARKED IF YOU DID.

Florida jails or tuff.



You're an ass.
I turned up home with ear pierced, bleach-tipped hair, pink shirt and skin tight jeans which didn't go down too well either, when I was 15.

[buds]

Does anybody else find it odd that it took all this time to arrest him. local Police and prosecutor couldn't press charges, Grand jury washed thier hands. So a "Special" prosecutor "happens" to find the evidence to proceed?

just now on the news they said they are going to look at this to see if it was a race crime, how the fuck could it be a race crime when on the 911 tape he didn't even know what color the kid was when they asked?

Another thing that i'm curious about, how is zimmerman going to get a fair trial after the president got involved?

and last but not least ALL we know is what the media shoves down our throats to drum up ratings



just a few pictures ive found:

http://i.imgur.com/MWMwR.jpg?1
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-before.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-32.jpg

[buds]

For all those giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt and who are railing against the lack of media integrity covering this case, would you REALLY be so fair minded if a BLACK self-appointed community watch captain approached a 'suspicious' looking unarmed White teen and gunned him down in self-defense???

Really??lol

Did you seriously just type this?

Race should have zero to do with this. It was 2 guys who got into a situation PERIOD

[natina]

Criminally Negligent Homicide



(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)


What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.


Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:


-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator


-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program


-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement



Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.


He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.




In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,


or the firing of the gun.


Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.


If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...



then he's guilty under the law.

[EvonRose]

Omg he is a kid! He goes trough his phase of gangster style... People here act like they never tried to get into a hip fashion fad when younger... The gold teeth, and finger signs are all hip hop... It does not mean he's a criminal...

[chromeheart44m]

"I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim."

You have to be kidding.

I realize that this is mainly a TS porn related forum, but please don't base your arguments on the movies. A young boy is dead, and most of us are trying to get a sense of what happened by the available evidence. This is a serious matter and there may be race riots and more people killed because of this incident. The New Black Panther Party is advocating killing Zimmerman and other "crackers." This is the time Obama ought to speak up and tell the black community to allow the justice system to work. Race riots will only doom Obama's reelection chances. Obama needs to be the President who represents all Americans, not just Americans that look like him.

As I think can be seen from my previous posts that I think that is someone physically assaults you then you have the right to defend yourself. Contrary to the opinion of some on this board, the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).
that is exactly what obama said we need to investigate when did u hear him scream kill whitey or even go blackie uhhm never . it's been fun listening to you morons but justice was done he is locked up all we ever wanted the trial is up in the air and the jury will decide.

[natina]

****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man

everyone knows who was scream for help on that 911 audio tape

it does not take 2 audio tape voice experts
its common sense






Criminally Negligent Homicide





(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)


What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.


Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:


-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator


-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program


-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement



Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.


He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.




In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,


or the firing of the gun.


Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.


If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...




then he's guilty under the law.

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[buds]

****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man



he was 6'2" and a foot ball player, in way better shape than the accused

trayvon's father said on TV it was not his son screaming? who am i to believe you, the media or the kids father????




Does anybody else find it odd that it took all this time to arrest him. local Police and prosecutor couldn't press charges, Grand jury washed thier hands. So a "Special" prosecutor "happens" to find the evidence to proceed?

just now on the news they said they are going to look at this to see if it was a race crime, how the fuck could it be a race crime when on the 911 tape he didn't even know what color the kid was when they asked?

Another thing that i'm curious about, how is zimmerman going to get a fair trial after the president got involved?

and last but not least ALL we know is what the media shoves down our throats to drum up ratings



just a few pictures ive found:

http://i.imgur.com/MWMwR.jpg?1
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-before.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-32.jpg

[natina]

George Zimmerman's VIOLENT HISTORY

special treatment cause his dad is a retired judge

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg


http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[natina]

delete

[EvonRose]

Wow natina totally just sums up a lot.... Zimmerman had criminal past, he was mentally ill? He had a gun? people are so bad at putting the puzzle together...

[natina]

George Zimmerman's VIOLENT HISTORY

special treatment cause his dad is a retired judge


http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg





Criminally Negligent Homicide






(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)


What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.


Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:


-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator


-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program


-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement



Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.


He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.




In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,


or the firing of the gun.


Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.


If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...




then he's guilty under the law.




ITS a style and not gang attire.


gang attire is khaki pants and tee shirts mostly.

it's low income clothing.

if travon martin was in a GANG ,WHAT GANG IS HE IN?

travon was never in a gang, thats just the fox news and people PARROTING FOX NEWS AND THERE COMMENTATORS

BIGOTS SAY TRAYVON MARTIN WAS IN A GANG!
i DO NOT TO KNOW TO MANY GANG MEMBER THAT EAT SKITTLES AND ICE TEA WHILE TALKING TO THE GIRL FRIEND IN THE RAIN WITH PLANS FOR COLLEGE. "GOING TO COLLEGE,THATS WHITE PEOPLE STUFF,THATS BITCH SHIT WHEN YOU CAN BE A HUSTLER AND SELL SOME COCAINE AND OR BE A BALLER. GOING TO COLLEGE IS SELLING OUT".

MOST WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD FROM A REAL GANG BANGER IN THERE LIFE.
YOU WOULD BE MARKED IF YOU DID.

Florida jails or tuff.





****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man

everyone knows who was scream for help on that 911 audio tape

it does not take 2 audio tape voice experts
its common sense


http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[buds]

****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man





you ignoring me?

he was 6'2" and a foot ball player, in way better shape than the accused

trayvon's father said on TV it was not his son screaming? who am i to believe you, the media or the kids father????

[natina]

BELIEVE THE (2) VOICE EXPERTS AND THE WOMEN WITNESS


Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17.

He claims Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Screams not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say











The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.


"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.





The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.


"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip, came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.



Witness To Trayvon Shooting Speaks Out!



Witness To Trayvon Shooting Speaks Out! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvCDal8Qqaw&feature=player_embedded)

[TSPornFan]

Omg he is a kid! He goes trough his phase of gangster style... People here act like they never tried to get into a hip fashion fad when younger... The gold teeth, and finger signs are all hip hop... It does not mean he's a criminal...

His age has nothing to do with his culture It's more about where the person is raised and what his culture is. I'm black and I rejected the hip hop culture.

[natina]

NO PARAMEDICS NEEDED OR USED FOR ZIMMERMAN





Video raises doubts about gunman’s story in Trayvon Martin case; defense says it’s too grainy


MIAMI — Newly released police video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman may be important for what it doesn’t show: No obvious cuts, scrapes, blood or bandages. No clearly broken nose. No plainly visible evidence of a life-and-death struggle with Trayvon Martin.
As the furor over race and self-defense raged on in Florida and around the U.S. on Thursday, Martin’s family and supporters seized on the footage to dispute Zimmerman’s claim that he shot and killed the unarmed black teenager after the young man attacked him.
While cautioning that the video is grainy and far from conclusive, some legal experts agreed it does raise questions about Zimmerman’s story. The video was made about a half-hour after the shooting Feb. 26.
“It could be very significant,” said Daniel Lurvey, a former Miami-Dade County homicide prosecutor. “If I were the prosecutor, it would certainly be Exhibit A that he did not suffer any major injury as a result of a confrontation with Trayvon Martin.”
Zimmerman attorney Craig Sonner said on NBC’s “Today” show that the footage appears to support his client’s story in some respects.
“It’s a very grainy video. ... However, if you watch, you’ll see one of the officers, as he’s walking in, looking at something on the back of his head,” Sonner said. “Clearly the report shows he was cleaned up before he was taken in the squad car.”
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in the town of Sanford, told police he shot the 17-year-old Martin after the young man punched him in the nose, knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head against a sidewalk.
The Sanford Police Department video begins at 7:52 p.m., about 35 minutes after the shooting, as Zimmerman arrives at the station. It shows Zimmerman’s head and face as he gets out of a police car. There is no sound on the video.
There is no obvious wound on his head or blood on his clothing, and there are no indications of a broken nose — which Zimmerman’s lawyer has insisted he suffered. He walks briskly, smoothly and unassisted.
“The explanation he is relying on is that there was a physical altercation,” said Kendall Coffey, former U.S. attorney in Miami. “The intensity of the physical conflict is critical to his self-defense claim.”
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family, said the footage directly contradicts Zimmerman’s story: “There are no marks on his face. There is no blood on his face. It’s not like he’s dazed or he has been injured.”

[amberskyi]

His age has nothing to do with his culture It's more about where the person is raised and what his culture is. I'm black and I rejected the hip hop culture.

hip hop culture is not the same as criminal or thug culture,thats a huge misconception...like everyone that likes metal has the potential to blow up schools or eat babies

[natina]

Bang! 'You got me!' Are they kidding? Trayvon's last words were 'You got me'?

Imagine. You're in a life or death struggle with someone you are desperately trying to kill with your bare hands. You have spent the last sixty seconds pummeling this person with your fists and bashing his head on the pavement. You notice he has a gun. You smile your evil, golden-toothed smile and say, "You are going to die tonight." The struggle continues, but this 250-lb. full grown, 28-year old man you have been grappling with for the last minute or so with your lanky, 17-year old, 160-lb. body, beating him with your fists, bashing his head over and over again, this intended murder victim you randomly chose to satisfy your mad, senseless, mindless, hatred of all White people, reaches into his holster, withdraws his 9mm and busts a cap in your chest. Right in the pump.
You look at the blood gushing from your chest wound, doing your best to keep any of it from splashing all over the person who just shot you. You make eye contact.
"You got me," you say, as you fall backwards. Dead.


The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court.

"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC.
Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.
The conclusions of Owen and another audio expert were first reported by the Orlando Sentinel on Saturday.
Zimmerman told police that he screamed for help during his confrontation with Martin, 17. He claims the shooting was self-defense.
The 911 call, reposted in this YouTube clip, came on the night of Feb. 26 from a woman who reported someone crying out for help in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
In the recording of her phone call, panicked cries and a gunshot are heard.


http://www.examiner.com/liberal-in-baltimore/bang-you-got-me-are-they-kidding-trayvon-s-last-words-were-you-got-me#ixzz1qr41xmxv




http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/99/94/1333048856_beating.jpg

[mildcigar_2001]

For all those giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt and who are railing against the lack of media integrity covering this case, would you REALLY be so fair minded if a BLACK self-appointed community watch captain approached a 'suspicious' looking unarmed White teen and gunned him down in self-defense???

Really??lol

I think there is recent video of that from Baltimore:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/assault/videotaped-baltimore-street-beating-879234

[natina]

New Evidence Contradicts Zimmerman’s Claim of a Violent Fight With Trayvon Martin



While George Zimmerman still has not been charged in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, his public defense — as espoused by his lawyer and family members — rests on the fact that Zimmerman was involved in a physical altercation with Martin. New evidence, however, contradicts that version of events. First there was the security camera footage from the night Zimmerman claims Martin beat him senselessly: to most who watched the video, Zimmerman appeared unscathed.


Now Richard Kurtz, the Miami funeral director who examined Trayvon Martin's body, says the body "showed no signs of a violent brawl."



We could see no physical signs like there had been a scuffle [or] there had been a fight. The hands — I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there.


In the strongest statement issued, Kurtz says Trayvon Martin "looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see." CBS has video of the interview with Kurtz.


Furthermore, EMS documents obtained by the New York Daily News Friday indicate that a second ambulance was canceled. It had been called for the "second victim" who was "not a gunshot." Whatever injuries Zimmerman did sustain in the apparent fight must not have been sufficient to merit emergency medical response



http://gawker.com/5898036/new-evidence-contradicts-zimmermans-claim-of-a-violent-fight-with-trayvon-martin

[buds]

Ok, you win. You don't want to answer my serious questions only post up stuff you find on the internet.

I'm done here you win. back to porn


Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/images/ca_serenity/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1122588#post1122588) ****travon is only 160 lbs while zimmerman was a 250 lb man.
*****travon has a boyish voice while zimmerman has the voice of a man

he was 6'2" and a foot ball player, in way better shape than the accused

trayvon's father said on TV it was not his son screaming? who am i to believe you, the media or the kids father????



Did you seriously just type this?

Race should have zero to do with this. It was 2 guys who got into a situation PERIOD


Does anybody else find it odd that it took all this time to arrest him. local Police and prosecutor couldn't press charges, Grand jury washed thier hands. So a "Special" prosecutor "happens" to find the evidence to proceed?

just now on the news they said they are going to look at this to see if it was a race crime, how the fuck could it be a race crime when on the 911 tape he didn't even know what color the kid was when they asked?

Another thing that i'm curious about, how is zimmerman going to get a fair trial after the president got involved?

and last but not least ALL we know is what the media shoves down our throats to drum up ratings



just a few pictures ive found:

http://i.imgur.com/MWMwR.jpg?1
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-before.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin.jpg
http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-32.jpg

[natina]

Criminally Negligent Homicide


Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/images/ca_serenity/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1122584#post1122584)



(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)

What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.

Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:

-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator

-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program

-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement


Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.

He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.



In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,

or the firing of the gun.

Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.

If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...



then he's guilty under the law.

[robertlouis]

The endless speculation both in the wider media and in this thread about what actually happened was never the point of this case. That is for the courts to decide. Thankfully that is now at last going to take place.

It was, however, always about the fact that an armed man shot and killed an unarmed man and yet was allowed to walk without arrest or subsequent investigation by the Florida police, until they were belatedly forced to do so by public and political pressure, inflamed by the fact that the shooter was white and the victim was black. The failure to act at the time points to the inadequacies of the Stand Your Ground Laws.

Maybe it's time to take a step back and allow the law to take its course.

[giovanni_hotel]

I think there is recent video of that from Baltimore:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/assault/videotaped-baltimore-street-beating-879234

Guess what?? Baltimore police have already ARRESTED those punks responsible for that assault.

It took media pressure and marches a month and a half later for Florida Law enforcement to arrest a man who ADMITTED to murdering an unarmed teen.

It's hard to claim self-defense when the biggest threat posed by the deceased is your paranoia about his skin color.

Do you care about justice, or is it all about deflecting from the unfairness in the way this case was handled from the beginning by police??

SYG law or not, you just can't murder someone, claim 'self defense' with no investigation and be allowed to go home without charges.

That's bullshit.

[Stavros]

I am still puzzled as to why newspapers can't agree on a simple fact: I have read that George Zimmerman was a 'neighbourhood watch chief', that he was a 'neighbourhood watch volunteer'; in one paper he is both a 'neighbourhood watch chief' and a 'self-appointed neighbourhood watch co-ordinator' which surely cannot be the same thing. I don't know if there is any legal issue regarding Neighbourhood Watch people and what they do; but if the newspapers can't get a single fact straight in the same report it does little to rescue the reputation of the press for hysteria.

The same report, in the Daily Telegraph claims that Angela Corey met the 'sweet parents' of Trayvon Martin three weeks ago, and that after the meeting they 'prayed together' which seems inappropriate to me in a judicial representative, but I guess you do a lot of things differently in America.

And for the record, black or white, the most disgusting and vicious murderers must have their right to a fair trial respected; on this basis the media should never be trusted to report even the basics correctly. In the 1980s during a riot in London, a policeman was savagely killed; the man arrested, of Afro-Caribbean origin, was pilloried in the press before his trial, typically in Murdoch's The Sun -he spent 18 years in prison before an appeal proved he was not guilty of the crime.

The Daily Telegraph report is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9198942/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-charged-with-second-degree-murder.html

[Willie Escalade]

A trial with the desired outcome is NOT guaranteed. See Rodney King and Orenthal Simpson.

[urbanchampion]

What was the question again?




Why, hello there. I see your testicles have apparently fallen into your scrotum. But, unfortunately, you still haven't developed adequate mental maturity as of yet. You are still on the level of a 12 year old. I obviously asked several questions that were directed towards you, and I also made several statements that were directed towards you, in my post that came right before your post which I have just quoted above. I also have links that obviously lead to other questions and statements for both you and mildcigar. I assume that you have the ability to read and comprehend on an acceptable level. Otherwise you would not be on this forum. It seems that you two only see what you want to see and disregard everything else. Or, you only choose to talk back to people who it's EASY to talk back to, and run from those who would be difficult to handle. Typical. I will actually take the time to repost what I typed.


"You hate to quote him"? Who? Point out a person/people if you're going to make such claims. Who hates to quote Bill Cosby? I'm black and I agree with what Bill Cosby said about social issues. My family and a lot of other black people I know personally agree with the things that Bill has said. Why are you under the assumption that virtually all, or at least a downright huge amount, of black people don't care about living well, being honest, etc, and would rather soak up the stuff that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton talk about as opposed to what Cosby has talked about? Stereotype much? Not all black people are super liberal to the point of not having a sane voice. I happen to be a registered Libertarian. I'm also an ATHEIST. What did you think I was? A Baptist Democrat, just because I'm black? You CONTINUE to embarrass yourself every time you open your damn mouth.

I'm also still waiting for you, and mildcigar, to finally go through puberty and develop the testicular fortitude to answer the questions I have specifically directed towards the both of you.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1121520&postcount=504

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1120318&postcount=464

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1118100&postcount=392

You have both refused to respond/comment/answer. Instead, you go about using inflammatory comments directed towards other posters on the forum, or blurting out random nonsensical bullshit, and then of course that backfires, and you continue to make yourselves look like trolling asshats.





I will also take the time to repost the statements found on those links that I made a few days ago.







This half-black idiot President and his half-black idiot Atty General need to start leading all Americans...not just African-Americans.

Where's the proof that Eric Holder is "half-black"? And if you really want to get technical about it most African-Americans are "half-black", more or less, due to the One Drop Rule from a long time ago, but it's still perpetuated today.





Let's see what happens now. Let's hear more than one sentence from you the next time you respond. That is, if you actually have any courage to do so. Your track record on such matters gives me reason to speculate on your actions. Prove me wrong.

Which brings me to mildcigar. Everything I said to yourdaddy applies to you as well. You've been on the forum between now and the time that I made my last statement directed towards you yesterday. You have made statements to other people, just to troll as usual. so I know you saw my message.







I read his twitter feed:

“Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/#ixzz1rPQBR9J5

But I guess it is politically incorrect to mention that.



No, it's not politically incorrect to mention that. But in the process of mentioning that, please also take the time to mention the fact that Zimmerman is the one who actually has as criminal history. Yet you want to point out what he said on Twitter and edit your post so you can attach a photo of him sticking his middle finger up? Don't be picky, bro.






I think the above post underscores my point about social pathologies that run rampant in the black community. The poster is advocating mob violence against someone and thinks nothing of it.

Mark my words that this whole episode is going to backfire against the race hustlers, the black community in general, and Obama in particular. Just see what a race riot in FL does to Obama's reelection chances. The President should never have got himself involved in this mess. It just shows that he has very little self control.



I'm black and I don't advocate any violence towards Zimmerman. It's a shame that some people are. I'm not sure if giovanni's HOPES Zimmerman is attacked by someone. But, something doesn't smell right. False information about what Zimmerman did has been put out there by the folks who know him personally and by the police. If this is the case, then someone is trying to cover up something. Otherwise, why this huge scramble? Therefore, if something bad happens to him, I really don't care. I wouldn't care if his death photos get exploited on rotten.com. I don't have remorse for those who are guilty of harming the innocent. But I will say that Obama shouldn't said that Treyvon would have looked like his son. The moment he said that I KNEW people would jump all over him for it. And they did. People on this forum, the white nationalist trolls on Youtube, and Newt Gingrich.






For those who want to make a donation to George Zimmerman's Defense Fund:

Due in part to some of the mindless vitriol in this thread, I made a donation to the above defense fund to ensure that justice is obtained. I'm not going to let Al Sharpton railroad an innocent man into prison.

As a complete side note, I just wonder who was raising Treyvon that allowed him to have gold teeth and tattoos age 17. It sounds like his parents couldn't or wouldn't control him. Chances are if he looked like a gangbanger he acted like a gangbanger (I think the twitter account demonstates this as well). I'm not saying dress the boy like Urkel, (and granted I'm not very ghetto) but WTF is the logic in allowing gold teeth and tattoos. That is an indication to me that the kid is not being raised appropriately. I can just imagine what would have happened to me if I showed up at age 17 at home with tattoos (let alone gold in my grill).


I find it very interesting how both of you keep dodging the responses I make to your posts.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1120318&postcount=464

For instance, cigar still hasn't said anything about how Zimmerman has a criminal record, and not Martin.




Sprout some testicles and answer up, son.





I'll also address buds in something that he's done in the thread.



just a few pictures ive found:


What does Martin acting goofy on the internet, and joke pics of Obama (I will agree that he should have stayed out of this situation due to the fact that he would get trolled because of it) honestly have to do with this situation? I have asked mildcigar a similar question. You have posted those pics multiple times in a row just for the hell of it. That's trolling, sir. You doing that doesn't make your statements any more legit or worthwhile than the people who's views are different than yours and they troll the hell out of you with their statements or photo posting flame wars. You and the others need to grow the fuck up. You all look like some kids who got on the internet while mommy and daddy were gone and started bullshitting around.

[robertlouis]

This article from Thursday's Guardian shows that we've still got a long way to go in the UK as well - and that the Met may still be "institutionally racist" as stated in the McPherson Report.


Metropolitan police reopen inquiry into death of Kester David

Family say it would not have taken so long to win action if bus driver, 53, found burned alive had been white




Metropolitan police suspend eight officers over allegations of racism
Met police drops insistence that David killed himself and launches fresh inquiry amid family claims that he was murdered. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

Police investigating the death of an African-Caribbean man found burned alive failed to interview vital witnesses for more than a year, despite people contacting officers within hours to report their suspicions, the Guardian has learned.

Officers concluded that the death of Kester David in July 2010 in north London was suicide without interviewing a witness who told of hearing screams of fear and another witness who was suspicious at seeing two white men near the scene.

Scotland Yard has dropped its insistence that David had committed suicide and launched a fresh inquiry amid family claims that he was murdered.

An internal police report found a "catalogue of errors" in the investigation after David, 53, was found dead in railway arches at Palmers Green station.

Potentially vital witnesses had not been interviewed while the family of David believed police failed them because of the colour of their skin, and had been disrespectful and insensitive.

After 18 months of telling the family that David doused himself in petrol before setting himself alight, the Met now says the death is "unexplained" and will be investigated by the homicide and serious crime command, led by Detective Chief Inspector Steven Lawrence.

The family of David, a bus driver, never believed the police account. Their suspicions were stoked when they were passed a copy of the internal police review, which exposed a string of failings and errors. At the inquest a coroner recorded an open verdict.

According to the Met's report, which the Guardian has seen, one day after the death a witness contacted police to say they heard screams at the time of David's death. The witness was interviewed over a year later.

In a statement, the witness said the screams heard at about 4.20am were of a man in fear, shouting at someone not to do something: "I suddenly heard the word 'No' shouted by a male at the top of his voice in a panicked and frightened way, as if he was shouting at someone else not to do something.

"I then heard a second 'No', shouted only five or six seconds afterwards. The second shout was almost identical to the first in that it was a frightened, panicked shout directed to someone who was about to do something against their will … it was a shout of fear of pain."

Another witness, again not interviewed for a year after the death, said he had seen two white men near the scene at the time of the death. He reported it to the police the day after, because it was unusual for people to be in the arches at night.

David's mother, Winifred Griffith, said she now expected police to carry out a full murder investigation. "We are disappointed that it has taken so long and that it has only been opened following our representations rather than as an immediate response to the findings of internal investigation reports that were available to senior police officers several months ago. We would not have had to wait so long and fight so hard if Kester had been a white man."

In her formal complaint about the case, Griffith said: "I feel that the police jumped to a number of conclusions, which were not supported by the evidence.

"The family and I feel that all these shortcomings and inconsistencies should have been enough to require the police to carry out further investigations beyond their initial conclusion of suicide. The police made too many assumptions and could not explain lots of inconsistencies."

In her complaint, Mrs Griffith said: "The police did not treat us with respect and dignity, and did not seem to care about what we thought. They also gave us incorrect information at times."

The case of David has strong parallels to the 1997 case of Michael Menson, who was found in Edmonton, north London. Police said Michael, who had suffered horrific burns, had tried to kill himself. Two years later, after police changed their approach, one man was found guilty of murder and another of manslaughter.

After the Menson convictions, then Commander Cressida Dick said: "What happened when Michael was murdered would not happen today, it would be a very different investigation today."

In a statement, the Met said: "A post-mortem examination gave cause of death as burns and inhalation of fumes. Enfield borough police investigated the case and concluded the death was non-suspicious.

"Following concerns from Mr David's family, two reviews into the investigation were carried out by senior officers from Enfield borough in September 2011 and January 2012. The results of those reviews remain under consideration and detectives from the homicide and serious crime command

[natina]

ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11166967-george-zimmerman-expected-to-take-the-stand-in-trayvon-martin-murder-case-legal-observers-say?lite



Criminally Negligent Homicide




(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)

What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.

Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:

-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator

-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program

-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement


Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.

He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.



In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,

or the firing of the gun.

Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.

If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...



then he's guilty under the law.

[natina]

ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11166967-george-zimmerman-expected-to-take-the-stand-in-trayvon-martin-murder-case-legal-observers-say?lite



Criminally Negligent Homicide




(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)


What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.


Instead they will set out to prove that -- by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:


-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator


-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program


-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement



Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.


He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.




In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,


or the firing of the gun.


Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.


If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...




then he's guilty under the law.

[natina]

George Zimmerman's VIOLENT HISTORY
special treatment cause his dad is a retired judge

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[natina]

George Zimmerman's VIOLENT HISTORY
special treatment cause his dad is a retired judge

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg

[Nicole Dupre]

Fox News viewers' reactions.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082537/-Fox-News-racist-commenters-react-to-Zimmerman-being-charged

[giovanni_hotel]

If you watch Faux News, you may not be a racist.
But if you ARE a racist, most likely you are a loyal Faux News watcher.

[mildcigar_2001]

If you watch Faux News, you may not be a racist.
But if you ARE a racist, most likely you are a loyal Faux News watcher.


It is interesting that you don't discuss the news standards of NBC/MSNBC. Fox News wasn't caught in the editing a 911 tape to imply Zimmerman was racist.

It would be interesting to know just how much of this type of behavior went on in the mainstream media before the arrival of Fox News and bloggers who now call organizations out of this type of unethical behavior.

[Willie Escalade]

The only Fox News I watch is Fox 11 here in LA.

But given those comments, I'm not surprised.

[SammiValentine]

It is interesting that you don't discuss the news standards of NBC/MSNBC. Fox News wasn't caught in the editing a 911 tape to imply Zimmerman was racist.

It would be interesting to know just how much of this type of behavior went on in the mainstream media before the arrival of Fox News and bloggers who now call organizations out of this type of unethical behavior.

Rupert Mudorch is a modern stain on the western world and its media, fuck the sun, fuck fox news, fuck the other million and one media influences he owns, and last but not least fuck the phone hacking , slimey old twat right up his saggy ringpiece as well.

phew got that out of my system x x

[SammiValentine]

p.s i dont like him if you couldn't tell.. ;)

[yourdaddy]

You black wannabes need to hear what REAL black men have to say. Treyvon Martin & black slaves - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LONUecnsMb8)

[Nicole Dupre]

Mildcigar and yourdaddy should exchange trailer addresses, take off their Klan gowns, and fuck. White trash homo sex is fucking HAWT!!!

Like, I'm just saying...

[buttslinger]

Hard-Core Law and Order Republican Prosecutor Angela Corey will be doing everything she can to fry the ass of Democrat George Zimmerman. Perplexing.

[yourdaddy]

Mildcigar and yourdaddy should exchange trailer addresses, take off their Klan gowns, and fuck. White trash homo sex is fucking HAWT!!!

Like, I'm just saying...

Not a bad idea nicole. I had worked all Spring selling cold collard green sandwiches with clabber around the park to earn your 10 dollar fee, but I'm sure I'd catch far fewer deadly diseases with Mildcigar than with you. As we say here in the South..."No greater joy...than a fat-butted boy".

[nonnonnon]

I hope this doesn't cause more home invasions in florida

[jamesedwards]

News Flash Zimmerman is in jail and faces 2nd degree murder charges to me it should of been 1st degree. Unfortunately for Zimmerman supporters, there is a witness willin to testify that after the shooting of Trayvon, seconds after in fact, Zimmerman had NO injuries and NO bleeding. Also, that the struggle took place entirely on grass. Stormfront will need another hero - because as things are developing this story is turning into quite the scandal. Police report tampering, chief investigator's initial decision turned away, possible links between Judge Zimmerman and State Attorney! Could be HUGE.

The police dept aft first said Zimmerman had a clean record comes to find out that's a lie, then come to find out he was a self proclaimed capt of neighborhood watch, and in his classes it tells you not to carry a weapon which will go against him and not to engage an individual, call the police who are professionals (ah huh) and they will handle it. I know Trayvon recognize police way better than some stranger. Also while Zimmerman was on the phone he was knocking on someone's door, he knocked two different times. Now before the actual gun shot went off there was a door slam so that means the person he knocked on the door was standing there and then that person ran from the door slammed it ran upstairs to call police because that same person is a witness. Zimmerman should be put away for life.

[jamesedwards]

Now being Zimmerman said he was hit by Trayvon and injured that was a lie because the funeral director said Tray had no bruises or marks on his body except for the gun wound to the chest, so if he didn't have any how in the hell did Zimmerman catch one behind the head, and a broken nose? How is it the car was parked way off from where they were actually at in the grass!!! Witnesses have come forth on this. Zimmerman has a history of violence, he mad 46 calls prior to that one and even got crazy over a 9 year old African american child. He beat up his ex girlfriend who took out a restraining order on him. He assaulted a FL police officer and got off, how is that? Hmmm

He should never be allowed to function on the streets again. Can't say he will end up killing someone because he already did. If he would of listened to his training and to the dispatcher this wouldn't have happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=l0eHOBOy7Tk <<<< Video where he knocked on the door.

Treyvon Martin is not innocent.. George Zimmerman either.. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED6ckuxU924&feature=related)

[jamesedwards]

Joe Oliver is a fool, he quit his job, for what? If my friend got in trouble and I come to give him recommendation to help give his name some credibility I am not going to quit my job just to do that. Joe is ignorant and trying to write a book mark my words he don't even know Zimmerman like that.



joe oliver exposed as fraud (Trayvon Martin case) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRW73Wb5FLc&feature=related)

[jamesedwards]

Joe Oliver and Zimmerman's first attorney and the new ones that said Zimmerman never answered their calls so they aren't taking the case are all ignorant.

[mildcigar_2001]

Mildcigar and yourdaddy should exchange trailer addresses, take off their Klan gowns, and fuck. White trash homo sex is fucking HAWT!!!

Like, I'm just saying...


LOL, I live in my car, and the Klan robes are at the dry cleaners.

[Nicole Dupre]

Look. It's fine that you 3 guys hate black people so much. There's nothing any of us can do to change that, I'm sure. You're intimidated by minorities. We get it. And you're welcome to dislike whoever you want to. But don't talk nonsense in an attempt to try to prove something that's just not true. Be content to wallow in your hate. That's your right. And it's your right to be cretinous, uncultured, bigoted white trash. Maybe you even feel it's your birthright. But save the stupidity, please. Ok? Don't insult our intelligence. You're not in shitkicker bumfuck nowehere when you come here. You're online with the whole world essentially, and you're not up to the task of proving your bullshit here. Write each other PMs and compare notes. You're the minority in terms of you all being kinda stupid.

[EvonRose]

That's the point I have been trying to make...

He has criminal past violence and assault

No eveidence fo trayvon laying hands on zimmerman

He was caught lie after lie

He changes his story

He doesn't follow rules

He is mentally unstable

Proven mental illness

This guy has no respect for the law, he is not a normal functioning human, and therefore should never be allowed out again. If he does Then hopefully he will kill the kids of his supporters one day and see what it's like to lose a kid over some stupid racist/ profiling crap...

[Nicole Dupre]

That's the point I have been trying to make...

He has criminal past violence and assault

No eveidence fo trayvon laying hands on zimmerman

He was caught lie after lie

He changes his story

He doesn't follow rules

He is mentally unstable

Proven mental illness

This guy has no respect for the law, he is not a normal functioning human, and therefore should never be allowed out again. If he does Then hopefully he will kill the kids of his supporters one day and see what it's like to lose a kid over some stupid racist/ profiling crap...
The people in that gated community were already complaining about him doing insane things like walking into their homes and snooping around, and about him generally just being an asshole.

He was on a power trip and he kept stepping over the line, until he finally killed someone. Just look at his face.

[jamesedwards]

That's the point I have been trying to make...

He has criminal past violence and assault

No eveidence fo trayvon laying hands on zimmerman

He was caught lie after lie

He changes his story

He doesn't follow rules

He is mentally unstable

Proven mental illness

This guy has no respect for the law, he is not a normal functioning human, and therefore should never be allowed out again. If he does Then hopefully he will kill the kids of his supporters one day and see what it's like to lose a kid over some stupid racist/ profiling crap...

:iagree: And he will be found guilty because he actually killed that teen and he was given the opportunity not to engage which lead to this problem. Reality and logic with evidence will show he had all the opportunities for this to not happen and being he engaged this shows his self defense is bullshit!!!

Yes very unstable and his friend Joe Oliver is too. What man quits his job just to talk to a friend? I mean what the fuck? Joe Oliver don't even know him that good he got caught out there doing interview after interview for no dam reason, he doesn't even know about the other 46 calls Zim has made, at least know about 10 of them he only knows about Trayvon's call that's it. The Sanford Police is held accountable also, the way they handle it in the beginning was poor. Like the funeral Director said that is the worse handling of a case from a police dept he has hever seen.

[EvonRose]

Death penalty!!!!!!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

Not a bad idea nicole. I had worked all Spring selling cold collard green sandwiches with clabber around the park to earn your 10 dollar fee, but I'm sure I'd catch far fewer deadly diseases with Mildcigar than with you. As we say here in the South..."No greater joy...than a fat-butted boy".
It's a 10 dollar increase per minute of my precious time that's wasted on the phone with spaced out dummies, you silly inbred man. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Death penalty!!!!!!!!
Noooo! Girl, let him remain alive! His soft quasi-cracker ass is going to get violated and handed to him every day for the rest of his miserable life in FL! lol They abuse the living shit of people like him in FL. And, even if they ship him somewhere else, his reputation for what he's done will follow him everywhere he goes. As long as they don't hide him away in solitary thanks to his judge daddy, he's going to regret what he's done for the rest of his life, if you even want to call it a "life". lol

[EvonRose]

Noooo! Girl, let him remain alive! His soft quasi-cracker ass is going to get violated and handed to him every day for the rest of his miserable life in FL! lol They abuse the living shit of people like him in FL. And, even if they ship him somewhere else, his reputation for what he's done will follow him everywhere he goes. As long as they don't hide him away in solitary thanks to his judge daddy, he's going to regret what he's done for the rest of his life, if you even want to call it a "life". lol

What if he likes getting butt fucked by closet gays?

[buttslinger]

I already notice a change from the airwaves of the Grand Imperial Conservative HQ. I think they're backpeddling down the hill as certain facts come to light.

[onmyknees]

The people in that gated community were already complaining about him doing insane things like walking into their homes and snooping around, and about him generally just being an asshole.

He was on a power trip and he kept stepping over the line, until he finally killed someone. Just look at his face.

LMAO....If we convicted people of insanity by looking at their face ...you'd be doing double life without parole, baby !

[EvonRose]

LMAO....If we convicted people of insanity by looking at their face ...you'd be doing double life without parole, baby !

Don't be mean...

[Nicole Dupre]

LMAO....If we convicted people of insanity by looking at their face ...you'd be doing double life without parole, baby !
I should bust out your photo and see what people think of that Dukes of Hazzard Uncle Jesse-looking mug of yours, Mark. You were singing a different tune when you sent it out of the blue and told me why you call yourself "onmyknees". Remember when told me how bad you wanted to suck my dick? lol

Fucking redneck faggot.

[onmyknees]

I already notice a change from the airwaves of the Grand Imperial Conservative HQ. I think they're backpeddling down the hill as certain facts come to light.


That's an interesting take on it.....since nobody I know was screaming about his innocence, and even more interesting is your use of the word "facts"....For 2 weeks y'all took as gospel every bullshit, fabricated detail the press fed you...now suddenly you're into facts? LMFAO....That's a fucking riot !!!!!

[jamesedwards]

Death penalty!!!!!!!!

:iagree: but he has 2nd degree murder even if found guilty he won't get the death penalty, plus that's an easy way out. Check this put him in jail with hardened criminals and let him go through that shit for the rest of his life. Either someone will kill him, or he will hang himself :) There's your death penalty right there. FAIR!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

:iagree: but he has 2nd degree murder even if found guilty he won't get the death penalty, plus that's an easy way out. Check this put him in jail with hardened criminals and let him go through that shit for the rest of his life. Either someone will kill him, or he will hang himself :) There's your death penalty right there. FAIR!!!
I agree. He'll beg for death in a few years.

[jamesedwards]

LMAO....If we convicted people of insanity by looking at their face ...you'd be doing double life without parole, baby !

OH what the fuck? dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:

[Nicole Dupre]

The people who want to stay alive are pussies like Damien Echols. All he had to do was bide his time in solitary and wait for a plea deal. He got away with murder. THAT fucking guy should've been put in general population. All three of those faggots.

[jamesedwards]

I should bust out your photo and see what people think of that Dukes of Hazzard Uncle Jesse-looking mug of yours, Mark. You were singing a different tune when you sent it out of the blue and told me why you call yourself "onmyknees". Remember when told me how bad you wanted to suck my dick? lol

Fucking redneck faggot.

Oh fuck now this is getting interesting. LOL dammmmmm

[jamesedwards]

Awwwwwwh you're to kind babygirl, I give that asshole Zanyman a month that fucker will be ready to die then. 2 years is to long, see he doesn't have a gun in jail the only guns you get is shanks, and he will be fresh meat and no one will be his friend. He's as good as dead on the street or in Jail. They wouldn't waste time trying to rape him they will kill his ass and piss all over his dead corpse.



I agree. He'll beg for death in a few years.

[EvonRose]

Awwwwwwh you're to kind babygirl, I give that asshole Zanyman a month that fucker will be ready to die then. 2 years is to long, see he doesn't have a gun in jail the only guns you get is shanks, and he will be fresh meat and no one will be his friend. He's as good as dead on the street or in Jail. They wouldn't waste time trying to rape him they will kill his ass and piss all over his dead corpse.

Unless he sells his ass and becomes a prison bitch...

[jamesedwards]

See that's going to happen also he will get in PC but bet motha fuckas can still get to him and his daddy can't do shit this time, he fucking messed up big time. He lied, the police lied for him, then motha fucking supporters want to blame the media for his mistakes, it wasn't the media that told him to be a fucking self proclaimed neighborhood watch captain, the media didn't tell him to beat up on his ex girl and she put out a restraining order on him. The media didn't tell him to assault an officer. The media didn't tell that fool to carry a gun. The media dam sure didn't tell him to follow Trayvon and shoot him. So those carrying on and bitching about the media are fools. The media took turns on both sides plus the media has been THE MEDIA for years. Zimmerman fucked up BLAME HIS ASS!!


I agree. He'll beg for death in a few years.

[jamesedwards]

Unless he sells his ass and becomes a prison bitch...

No one is going to want to be affiliated with a child murderer like that, they are going to want to put his ass away permanently. His hell will be on earth, he will have no friends, and he shall get convicted the evidence is to overwhelming now. He's going down.

[Nicole Dupre]

I dunno. I'm not sure how certain people get put in solitary and escape the general population. Manson has the safety of solitary and so did this piece of garbage...

Damien Echols - Hex, Lies and Videotape Part 1 of 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWa4KomcuA)

[jamesedwards]

No solitary confinement deals with someone who has misbehaved, like stabbed someone inside the prison, raped someone etc, that's called the hole, the box etc, they have different names for it. Now what he will be put in is PC, "PROTECTIVE CUSTODY", so yeah you're right, he would end up there. See I think this man's position is different from Charles or this guy you say I am not acquainted with this case of Daimen you speak of.

Hell look at Casey Anthony she got off like crazy.


I dunno. I'm not sure how certain people get put in solitary and escape the general population. Manson has the safety of solitary and so did this piece of garbage...

Damien Echols - Hex, Lies and Videotape Part 1 of 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWa4KomcuA)

[Nicole Dupre]

No solitary confinement deals with someone who has misbehaved, like stabbed someone inside the prison, raped someone etc, that's called the hole, the box etc, they have different names for it. Now what he will be put in is PC, "PROTECTIVE CUSTODY", so yeah you're right, he would end up there. See I think this man's position is different from Charles or this guy you say I am not acquainted with this case of Daimen you speak of.

Hell look at Casey Anthony she got off like crazy.
Well, if his dad has any say, or the cops have any say, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets that luxury.

[Nicole Dupre]

No solitary confinement deals with someone who has misbehaved, like stabbed someone inside the prison, raped someone etc, that's called the hole, the box etc, they have different names for it. Now what he will be put in is PC, "PROTECTIVE CUSTODY", so yeah you're right, he would end up there. See I think this man's position is different from Charles or this guy you say I am not acquainted with this case of Daimen you speak of.

Hell look at Casey Anthony she got off like crazy.
And that's true. Casey Anthony got away with murder in the same state. Florida is a completely corrupt, fucked up state. Most people there are the dregs of society, even if they have money.

[jamesedwards]

Well, if his dad has any say, or the cops have any say, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets that luxury.

Oh no he's going to get PC mos def I already know that, any high profile person with threats on their life or even no so profile people get PC especially when they ask for it.

[jamesedwards]

And that's true. Casey Anthony got away with murder in the same state. Florida is a completely corrupt, fucked up state. Most people there are the dregs of society, even if they have money.

And someone told me when I get older to retire to FL I am like hell no, hurricane watches and that? hell no, there are many other places to retire to and I got plenty of time to find it.

Here's what's working against Zimmerman, and these are the facts.
1. Exhibit A- While he was trained to be in neighborhood watch it tells you never to engage nor to carry a weapon, ZIMMERMAN DID!!!!

2. Exhibit B- Zimmerman lied about his bruises, to the nose and to the back of his head, there wear no stains anywhere, and it was only 30 minutes after until he got to the police station. Where's the medic report?

Trayvon Martin Case Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0UgvbesYE&feature=related)

3. Exhibit C- Zimmerman was told not to engage the teen by the dispatcher yet he did anyway. He had no training in approaching anyone and he wasn't a cop. He asked Trayvon what he was doing around there, like if he was a gang member or something. That's not how you approach someone if you're an adult and someone else is younger.

4. Exhibit D- Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon in cold blood and self defense was not in effect for Zimmerman because he actually followed Tray so the stand your ground law was basically for Trayvon.

5. Exhibit E- Witnesses That have come forth make the claim it was Trayvon yelling not Zimmerman.

6. Exhibit F- Trayvon's girlfriend voice record and paper record reveal she was on the phone talking to Trayvon and it shows he was being stalked by Zimmerman.

There is more evidence I am sure they will bring up, but these things are in public view now.

By the way another teen was just shot by cops in CA last night. Weeks ago in Chicago police just shot to African american people for no dam reason, one woman is dead and the guy is living and shot in his hand. He was telling the news people at the scene of the crime, so he isn't locked up and guess why he got shot at? Because the cop thought while he was talking on his cell phone he had a gun. That is the most craziest shit I have ever heard. The young woman got shot being in the wrong place. Since when did talking on a cell looks like a gun and who holds up a dam gun to the side of their faces? Guess what, dam police chief said it was justifiable. bull shit.

[yourdaddy]

Nicole, the problem with Butch lesbians like you is you never learn to Shut the Fuck Up!!! I've lived with several gurls over the years, and the ones like you that should have been euthanized at birth always had an overdose of testosterone of the mouth. In an arab country, you would have lost your tongue at nine.

[EvonRose]

I think they should also put the the racist cops and incompetent police force there too...

What system do we live in just to assume one is innocent without evidence?

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole, the problem with Butch lesbians like you is you never learn to Shut the Fuck Up!!! I've lived with several gurls over the years, and the ones like you that should have been euthanized at birth always had an overdose of testosterone of the mouth. In an arab country, you would have lost your tongue at nine.
Just because your mother was a lesbian and your grandfather/father had to rape her, because he was too drunk to rape your brother, don't project it onto all women.We're not all inbred trailer trash, like you.

And maybe actually you should move to an Arab country. I hear they get away with having sex with underage boys easily there. You'd probably fit right in, except you're a white trash cracker.

[yourdaddy]

Testosterone of the mouth is not a pretty sight nicole. How often do you have to trim the hairs between your 12 year molars?

[runningdownthatdream]

Just because your mother was a lesbian and your grandfather/father had to rape her, because he was too drunk to rape your brother, don't project it onto all women.We're not all inbred trailer trash, like you.

And maybe actually you should move to an Arab country. I hear they get away with having sex with underage boys easily there. You'd probably fit right in, except you're a white trash cracker.

You know he probably wants to be on his knees too, right?

[jamesedwards]

I think they should also put the the racist cops and incompetent police force there too...

What system do we live in just to assume one is innocent without evidence?

I think the Police Chief may have to resign because the pressure is coming down on the Mayor, so, we shall see. I know for a fact the police dept is getting sued by Trayvon's parents. and Being Trayvon's father is a Mason he has all sorts of support. So is Zimmerman's father, Most Judges and Presidents in this country are of the Masonic Lodge and secret societies. So now there's a clash going on, see the police thought they could just sweep it under the rug what happened is Tray's father has resources as a Mason.

The police lied also saying Zimmerman was CLEAN and he was all good and that's where they messed up, then another mess up was they put Trayvon as a JOHN DOE it's like what the fuck are you thinking, he had skittles and an ice tea I would know he was coming from a store going to another location and he had to know someone. Plus held it over for 3 days just like Emmett Till was held over for 3 days and the Klan beat him so bad you didn't recognize him. So they got their hands caught in the jar.

[jamesedwards]

you know he probably wants to be on his knees too, right?

dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! Lol

[runningdownthatdream]

The focus I think has been wrongly placed on Zimmerman - granted he's a killer of an unarmed 17yr old kid. Whether the kid is black or white is irrelevant if the people paid to investigate and prosecute killers do their jobs. People should get off Zimmerman and focus on the system which almost allowed a killer to just walk away.

[yourdaddy]

You people don't know jack shit about the system. If the defense lawyers had requested a speedy trial and the prosecution hadn't gathered enough evidence against Zimmerman, he certainly would have walked. This lady has done everything to move the trial along correctly. The rabble-rousers like nicole and sharpton would have hung him by now.

[Nicole Dupre]

You know he probably wants to be on his knees too, right?
Exactly. He's another guy who used to have a crush on me until he realized tattoos don't always = dumb white trash. I was tattooed in NYC, by one of the finest tattoo artists in the world. My tattoos cost more than this dickbag's whole house I bet. He only decided he disliked me because I wasn't happy with his racist ramblings.

[EvonRose]

You people don't know jack shit about the system. If the defense lawyers had requested a speedy trial and the prosecution hadn't gathered enough evidence against Zimmerman, he certainly would have walked. This lady has done everything to move the trial along correctly. The rabble-rousers like nicole and sharpton would have hung him by now.

Yes because the police have ruined the case... She is trying to get tot he bottom of things but the cops fucked everything up because they assumed Zimmerman was innocent and they didn't have proper investigation until it went to the feds...

Your right proper trial is always best, and innocent till proven guilty. However if the cops did their job this would carry out this long.

[runningdownthatdream]

Exactly. He's another guy who used to have a crush on me until he realized tattoos don't always = dumb white trash. I was tattooed in NYC, by one of the finest tattoo artists in the world. My tattoos cost more than this dickbag's whole house I bet. He only decided he disliked me because I wasn't happy with his racist ramblings.

I remember................

[runningdownthatdream]

You people don't know jack shit about the system. If the defense lawyers had requested a speedy trial and the prosecution hadn't gathered enough evidence against Zimmerman, he certainly would have walked. This lady has done everything to move the trial along correctly. The rabble-rousers like nicole and sharpton would have hung him by now.

What you fail to recognize is that the special prosecutor was brought in after the public uproar and after the original prosecutor and the police chief both recused themselves from the process. Stop to wonder why that might have been? Swamp gas getting to you perhaps?

[jamesedwards]

The focus I think has been wrongly placed on Zimmerman - granted he's a killer of an unarmed 17yr old kid. Whether the kid is black or white is irrelevant if the people paid to investigate and prosecute killers do their jobs. People should get off Zimmerman and focus on the system which almost allowed a killer to just walk away.

True that, but focus on BOTH, not just one we need his ass locked up and the system needs to be fixed, but lets be fucking real, you think they are going to totally fix the system? Lets be fucking realer than real, that shit is not going to happen, there are men doing 20 years or more waiting to come home for a crime they never did and get off on DNA. I have almost every dam case of AFRICAN AMERICAN men getting out because of DNA testing and they did over 18 years, yes they get paid but they missed out a lot of their lives for a dumb ass mistake of the system. We can talk about the system being fix, but see I know how it gets down I worked in law for years and the loop holes and slickery is all through the system.

[jamesedwards]

You people don't know jack shit about the system. If the defense lawyers had requested a speedy trial and the prosecution hadn't gathered enough evidence against Zimmerman, he certainly would have walked. This lady has done everything to move the trial along correctly. The rabble-rousers like nicole and sharpton would have hung him by now.

I know about the system, I worked in it for years, yeah if they would of put in a motion for a speedy trial he would of gotten his ass handed to him. They have enough evidence from the time his ass wasn't in jail, they have phone records, his phone convo, witnesses, Trayvon's girlfriend phone records and tape, tape he lied about being hit and his head being busted open and a broken nose etc his ass would of fried just as quick as his motion would of been in motion. Police lying for him, fucking up the case, Zimmerman would of fried!!! There is to much evidence against that man So the longer he waited out of jail was best for Trayvon's attorney. Zimmerman is straight up guilty, one of the biggest pieces of evidence is the phone call he made and was told not to engage, and another key part is the girlfriend on the phone with Trayvon showing Zimmerman was coming after Trayvon. Plus his violent history come on the fucking man is guiltier than five river crickets break dancing on a Saturday night!!!!

[jamesedwards]

Yes because the police have ruined the case... She is trying to get tot he bottom of things but the cops fucked everything up because they assumed Zimmerman was innocent and they didn't have proper investigation until it went to the feds...

Your right proper trial is always best, and innocent till proven guilty. However if the cops did their job this would carry out this long.

Evon, don't let dude steer you from the real cause, how about if Zimmerman would of stayed his fucking ass in the car he wouldn't have shot Trayvon, maybe the police would of shot him then it would of been another case on the police shooting another unarmed African american person. Zimmerman is the fucking cause of this not the police, dispatcher, Trayvon, etc IT WAS ALL ZIMMERMAN!!!

[sp fan]

tired of this stupid ass topic already, nobody says shit when doctors and hospitals kill innocent people every day. all people worry about is race and creed, simple minded fuks.

[jamesedwards]

What you fail to recognize is that the special prosecutor was brought in after the public uproar and after the original prosecutor and the police chief both recused themselves from the process. Stop to wonder why that might have been? Swamp gas getting to you perhaps?

:iagree: He's trying to put the blame on everyone except the motha fucka that pulled the trigger. Trayvon didn't do it, the police didn't do it, the neighbors didn't do it, ZIMMERMAN FUNKY ASS DID THE KILLING AND THAT'S IT!!! The police and their fuck up is after the fact. Which weakens Zimmerman's case and strengthens Trayvon's case, let their ass go on a speedy trial if they want to they would of speed Zimmerman's ass right to jail.

[jamesedwards]

tired of this stupid ass topic already, nobody says shit when doctors and hospitals kill innocent people every day. all people worry about is race and creed, simple minded fuks.

Well why don't you start a topic about that, why are you so dam upset? If I don't like a topic I just don't get into it, I don't say shit and keep it moving. Why are you so compelled in saying something? You're the simple minded motha fucka for even responding to a topic that you don't want no part of, how simpleton is that asshole?

[Nicole Dupre]

tired of this stupid ass topic already, nobody says shit when doctors and hospitals kill innocent people every day. all people worry about is race and creed, simple minded fuks.
Soooo... you're saying a valid topic to discuss... is doctors murdering people in hospitals... every day... ?

Do you're parents know you're looking at naked pictures of grown-ups on their computer tonight?

[jamesedwards]

Soooo... you're saying a valid topic to discuss... is doctors murdering people in hospitals... every day... ?

Do you're parents know you're looking at naked pictures of grown-ups on their computer tonight?

Hold the hell up time out lol hahahah wtf ? his parents? how old is this creep? lol

We talking about something positive that affect us and he is in a rant over what we are talking about. SMH Crazy.

[EvonRose]

I also think anyone who supports Zimmerman should join him in jail....

Any volunteers or are you guys not going to support him anymore if that was the consequence? lol..

[Nicole Dupre]

Hold the hell up time out lol hahahah wtf ? his parents? how old is this creep? lol

We talking about something positive that affect us and he is in a rant over what we are talking about. SMH Crazy.
I dunno, but he sounds like he's in the 8th grade. No?

[jamesedwards]

I also think anyone who supports Zimmerman should join him in jail....

Any volunteers or are you guys not going to support him anymore if that was the consequence? lol..

GOT DAM!!! LOL hahahah wow!!! you took it there. lol She said the supporters should go to jail too lol hahahah I could never support that dude, a grown ass man hunts down and kills a teen because he wanna be a hero vigilante wanna be cop hell no.

[jamesedwards]

I dunno, but he sounds like he's in the 8th grade. No?

Ummmmmm saying 8th grade is giving him to much credit, lets go for say ummmmmmm hummmmmmmmmmm DROP OUT!!!? Anyone in school is smarter than he is and I don't want to disrespect anyone in school for that clown. So drop out it is. :Bowdown:

[Nicole Dupre]

What about the idiots contributing money to his legal bills, like mildcigar? Is that twisted or what? Why don't you just bake some cookies for the Grand Wizard of the KKK while you're at it, mildcigar? I mean, wtf?

[jamesedwards]

What about the idiots contributing money to his legal bills, like mildcigar? Is that twisted or what? Why don't you just bake some cookies for the Grand Wizard of the KKK while you're at it, mildcigar? I mean, wtf?

You know fair is fair, people have the right to contribute to his legal team if they believe in Zimmerman, just be glad we're not as stupid to do so, thank the high heavens for that.

[arnie666]

Seems to me this could well turn into a casey anthony fiasco, look at the parallels, trial by media and the prosecutor in my opinion has overhshot her wad, no doubt because she is thinking more about her career than justice. The country is clearly divided on racial lines with 90 percent of blacks have already convicted him without trial ,if zimmerman isn't put away they will be stealing tv's and setting fire to their 'neighbourhoods' .Even worse,tv's are flat screen these days so your average black can carry more than one. Need I remind people about duke lacrosse or that brawley nutcase who made shit up?

Even worse the race hustlers like sharpton and jackson have been unlocked out of their crypts by president obozo ,they are clearly there to distract the american people ,using racial tensions,making out it was a 'whiteman' who shot martin,when the reality is zimmerman is clearly more a spic. The way that lot went on ,it was like the dude who shot the kid was straight out of waffen SS central casting. Several lib media networks, namely nbc and abc have blatantly brought out false reports of what zimmerman said on the 9/11 call and also altered a picture of zimmerman at the police station. They are clearly working with obozo to help him win another election.

It may surprise people given my views, to have some sympathy for martins parents, if my son was shot dead in the street and no one was locked up for it, I would be fucking mad and stood outside the police station with my family 24/7. I thought it was handled very badly by the police, and zimmerman should have been arrested and locked up somewhere at least until a full investigation had been done.

None of them hustlers and those working for these networks give a fuck about one dead black lad,really. What I give a fuck about,isn't the racial aspect (which is very difficult to prove) but this. We have a serpico wannabe walking about with a gun thinking he is 'the law', and challenging anyone he doesn't know,or doesn't like the look of. I think he started shit with martin despite being advised not to ,I don't think martin is the non violent angel pointed out by the left wing media vermin, but like quite a lot of teenage lads especially young black man who demand 'respect' ,took fucking umbridge by being hassled by a fat spic with a cop fetish,when he wasn't up to anything .I understand the anger, as a teenager from a poor area was often hassled by the police when I wasn't up to anything. Zimmerman realised he had taken on more than he could handle when he was being ground pounded,no one was around to help him and shot him.

Thats what I think happened. And to be honest I think zimmerman should be put away for being a fucking twat who ended up killing another human being. But I think given the circus this is turning into, and how the media seems to hamper actually getting justice and how many have already found zimmerman guilty before the trial, I do wonder what will happen now. You see it's fine me giving my opinion, as Iam just another person on the internet, but the media has a responsibility to not make it difficult to get justice for martins family.

And I do think the New black panthers and there idiotic bounty ideas,spike lee sending out lynch mobs and convicted rapist ear chewer mike tyson,should be in the dock right after they have sent down the idiot zimmerman.fucking Obama should be in the dock as well and locked up, martin could be his son could he? what about the huge numbers of young black men shot by other blacks in chicago for instance all the time? Do they look like him too? He never mentioned them or their grieving parents? why because he won't help him get a second term the cynical cunt.

[arnie666]

I also think anyone who supports Zimmerman should join him in jail....

Any volunteers or are you guys not going to support him anymore if that was the consequence? lol..

They should be in the cells, next door to sharpton, nicole dupree, yourself ,president obozo, jackson and the idiots so far anon who altered 9'11 footage for nbc.

The planet would be a better place without any of you.

[yodajazz]

Seems to me this could well turn into a casey anthony fiasco, look at the parallels, trial by media and the prosecutor in my opinion has overhshot her wad, no doubt because she is thinking more about her career than justice. The country is clearly divided on racial lines with 90 percent of blacks have already convicted him without trial ,if zimmerman isn't put away they will be stealing tv's and setting fire to their 'neighbourhoods' .Even worse,tv's are flat screen these days so your average black can carry more than one. Need I remind people about duke lacrosse or that brawley nutcase who made shit up?

Even worse the race hustlers like sharpton and jackson have been unlocked out of their crypts by president obozo ,they are clearly there to distract the american people ,using racial tensions,making out it was a 'whiteman' who shot martin,when the reality is zimmerman is clearly more a spic. The way that lot went on ,it was like the dude who shot the kid was straight out of waffen SS central casting. Several lib media networks, namely nbc and abc have blatantly brought out false reports of what zimmerman said on the 9/11 call and also altered a picture of zimmerman at the police station. They are clearly working with obozo to help him win another election.

It may surprise people given my views, to have some sympathy for martins parents, if my son was shot dead in the street and no one was locked up for it, I would be fucking mad and stood outside the police station with my family 24/7. I thought it was handled very badly by the police, and zimmerman should have been arrested and locked up somewhere at least until a full investigation had been done.

None of them hustlers and those working for these networks give a fuck about one dead black lad,really. What I give a fuck about,isn't the racial aspect (which is very difficult to prove) but this. We have a serpico wannabe walking about with a gun thinking he is 'the law', and challenging anyone he doesn't know,or doesn't like the look of. I think he started shit with martin despite being advised not to ,I don't think martin is the non violent angel pointed out by the left wing media vermin, but like quite a lot of teenage lads especially young black man who demand 'respect' ,took fucking umbridge by being hassled by a fat spic with a cop fetish,when he wasn't up to anything .I understand the anger, as a teenager from a poor area was often hassled by the police when I wasn't up to anything. Zimmerman realised he had taken on more than he could handle when he was being ground pounded,no one was around to help him and shot him.

Thats what I think happened. And to be honest I think zimmerman should be put away for being a fucking twat who ended up killing another human being. But I think given the circus this is turning into, and how the media seems to hamper actually getting justice and how many have already found zimmerman guilty before the trial, I do wonder what will happen now. You see it's fine me giving my opinion, as Iam just another person on the internet, but the media has a responsibility to not make it difficult to get justice for martins family.

And I do think the New black panthers and there idiotic bounty ideas,spike lee sending out lynch mobs and convicted rapist ear chewer mike tyson,should be in the dock right after they have sent down the idiot zimmerman.fucking Obama should be in the dock as well and locked up, martin could be his son could he? what about the huge numbers of young black men shot by other blacks in chicago for instance all the time? Do they look like him too? He never mentioned them or their grieving parents? why because he won't help him get a second term the cynical cunt.

I lost a long post, again. But bottom line is that Arnie666, you are a racist, no matter your skin color is. The issue has always been about justice vs injustice. The media is about giving people the information they are curious about. How many (unarmed) kids go to the store for candy, in the US? A teen doing this, comes up dead, yet the shooter, who admitted to pursuing and confronting him, was released with any court hearing. Zimmerman's presumption of innocence, by self defense, was what the controversy was about. People want a greater truth to come out. And some type of official court proceeding is the best way for that to happen. Your assumptions are racist.

Obama simply responded to a question about this specific case. He was not asked about his opinion on crime, or victims in general. He has a teen aged children of his own. The chain of events started with an Zimmerman's assesment about Martin's looks. That is what Obama responded to.

I recently moved into a racially diverse community. Perhaps my son or I could be confronted as 'not belonging around here'. So in other words, justice in this case has larger implications for many people.

[Prospero]

Arnie is a British police officer - and should be ashamed to wear the uniform of a policeman when you judge his continued racist remarks in this forum. The Metropolitan police are currently trying to rid themselves of racists. Hopefully Arnie will be caught in their net - though i suspect he is sufficiently hypocritical to hide his real racist convictions from his fellow officers. He even wears,as a badge of pride, my earlier remarks about him following his talk about "negresses and negroes".

I have no problem being described by a racist thug like him as a liberal in chief. he is a pure scumbag who should be thrown out of his job.

[Stavros]

What disappoints me most about this thread is the frenetic search for a conclusive narrative in advance of any trial: I have drawn attention to the conflicting accounts of who hit whom first if at all and when and where, and so on, and I still have more than one narrative of the 'actual event' to call on, so all I know for sure is that Zimmerman shot Martin.

And yet, we know from scores of miscarriages of justice at trials in which evidence was considered inadmissable, that even trials don't tell the whole of the truth. I don't know in how many trials the prosecution has not disclosed all of its evidence to the defence, thereby withholding vital evidence. The fact that so many people have already condemned Zimmerman in advance of the trial is one thing, he did fire the shot; but without full disclosure the case merely serves to illuminate the tensions that continue to exist between Black America and 'the rest' and which the USA is -probably- never going to deal with.

The core issues here are the State laws in Florida on self-defence using a weapon; and the conduct of the Sanford Police force immediately after the shooting. I would rather a discussion on these than posturing on issues of 'race', whatever that means.

[arnie666]

I lost a long post, again. But bottom line is that Arnie666, you are a racist, no matter your skin color is. The issue has always been about justice vs injustice. The media is about giving people the information they are curious about. How many (unarmed) kids go to the store for candy, in the US? A teen doing this, comes up dead, yet the shooter, who admitted to pursuing and confronting him, was released with any court hearing. Zimmerman's presumption of innocence, by self defense, was what the controversy was about. People want a greater truth to come out. And some type of official court proceeding is the best way for that to happen. Your assumptions are racist.

Obama simply responded to a question about this specific case. He was not asked about his opinion on crime, or victims in general. He has a teen aged children of his own. The chain of events started with an Zimmerman's assesment about Martin's looks. That is what Obama responded to.

I recently moved into a racially diverse community. Perhaps my son or I could be confronted as 'not belonging around here'. So in other words, justice in this case has larger implications for many people.

Hey idiot, zimmermans assessment on martins looks ,was because he was asked by the 9/11 operator what he looked like, nbc tried to alter the conversation and insert racist undertones into what was said by zimmerman and they were rumbled,and a someone high up in that network who has been kept anon has been fired.

Obama ,as in other cases has jumped the gun without knowing the full facts. Basically because he is a cynical politician not because he identifies at all with martin or other african americans. Obama had a very privilaged upbringing and does not give a shit about them. He prefers the company of blonde thirty something white ex american football players, but that is another conversation.

And where did I say I didn't want zimmerman in jail,I told you what I think of him. Whatever his true intent I think he should be locked up for being a fucking idiot at least who killed someone. I don't even like the stand your ground law as I think it encourages cop freaks like him to act like serpico .In my view zimmerman should have been arrested and processed through the court system straight away. He took a life on the street and should not have been walking free for weeks. I also think it is wise to reserve some judgement on what happened that night until it goes to court but I doubt some here will as they seem to have been present that night and seen and heard it all with their own eyes. Because the media notoriously has made and is making mistakes about who said and did what.

Hold this thought, if the races were reversed and we had a black neighbourhood watch person with a cop fetish believing he is shaft, and a mixed raced young man who ended up dead, the race hustlers would probably be screaming self defence if they made a comment at all. Would obozo be jumping in before the court case I wonder to give us all the benefit of his wisdom, and the media altering 9/11 tapes?

[trish]

Zimmerman has been arrested and will be prosecuted. That's all Trayon's parents want. That's what almost all the public protest has been about. Moreover, that's what true justice requires. A unarmed boy was shot. The police did not confiscate the gun for evidence, nor did they charge the gunmen; they took Zimmerman to the station and accepted on face value his claim of self-defense. Zimmerman got to go home that night; Trayvon went to the morgue. Justice requires something different. Justice requires that the event be properly investigated, that the Martin's learn what truly happened that evening (to the best of the law's ability to find out), and that Zimmerman gets his day in court. It appears Florida has finally taken the first steps to assure this process. What is sad is that without the display of national outrage Zimmerman would never have been charged; he would have shot and killed a boy, walked away and kept the weapon and been regarded as public hero all on his own say so.

Perhaps the prosecutor overcharged Zimmerman. Perhaps she didn't. But at least now we have a trail, and that's all everybody, excepting the racists, wanted. Well almost all...personally I have no more in the Trayvon issue...I'm happy to now to let the trail take its course...but I want to see now public focus on the SYG-laws. I'm not against the legal force of self-defense. But I do think claims of self-defense should be substantiated by something more significant than the magic incantation, "I feared for my life...period."

[EvonRose]

They should be in the cells, next door to sharpton, nicole dupree, yourself ,president obozo, jackson and the idiots so far anon who altered 9'11 footage for nbc.

The planet would be a better place without any of you.

I'll make you a deal, if Zimmerman doesn't go to jail then I will apologize for thinking e is a racist, child killer...

Now if he goes to jail and is prosecuted.... I want an apology from you and refrain from being racist... lol

[allurstouse]

He oursued a kid walking in his neighborhood and killed him. he didnt "stand his ground" he was the aggressor. if Martin had killed him he would be in the right.. the thing is phone records show Martin was a scared kid retreating and the shooter intent on conflict and armed. It's the new south same as the old south. it remeinds me of the trick or treater asian exchange student shot and killed in LA a few yrs ago...the shooter got off. If not for the DOJ the shooter would of gotten off here to but. this isnt the BGush DOJ it's a DOJ reminiscernt mof teh Kennedy/Johnson era that won't stand by while basic human rights are denied citizens. The real sad thing is the feds had to get involved showing how little things have changed. hell the shooter went home with the murder weapon

[jamesedwards]

Great Profound Post!!!!

Lets be real hear it's some what about race also, because time after time month after month African american people keep getting shot at and profiled because they are dark. I don't use the term black because African descent people are not black it's a misnomer. Since slavery my people have been persecuted, raped, hung, shot, maimed, spat on, disrespected, not having equality on any level for anything etc. It's coming to a point where we are sick and tired of it. Caucasian police and some racist civilians want us dead because we are dark. It's ridiculous to want us dead because of our Melanin content. So lets not fool ourselves that it's about just a young boy being shot to death by a grown ass man!!!

Now the thing is a grown as man killing a young teen boy for no dam reason is a big problem. Zimmerman on any level shouldn't have killed the teen anyone who thinks it was ok for him to do so are nut cases. Here's a boy that went to the store to get some candy and a drink like a normal child, not starting trouble not gang related nothing. Here's a man named Zimmerman who don't know Trayvon and acting on extreme prejudice vigilante style to kill someone because that's why he carried that gun. He already had it in his mind he was going to catch someone and pop them, you heard the tape "THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY", this guy is a fucking nut!!! He's not a cop, he was told to not engage the teen, I mean what the fuck? Lets not blame the media and every thing else, lets blame the guy at hand ZIMMERMAN!!!

The Skittles didn't shot Trayvon, ice tea, neighbors, media etc didn't kill Trayvon it was Zimmerman, keep the focus on his ass!!! He need to be locked up the evidence now is so overwhelming that he did it and he had no reason to kill and UNARMED CHILD. I found out Zimmerman's neighborhood training course specifically says "DON'T ENGAGE A PERSON AND ALWAYS CALL THE POLICE" that right there coincides with the dispatcher's note to Zimmerman "DO NOT ENGAGE THE TEEN", yet you hear in his phone convo that he got out the car and did so anyway then when he shot Trayvon lied and said Trayvon came to him and caused a gash in the back of his head and broke his nose at HIS SUV which is all a dam lie. Where they were and where that SUV was hundreds of feet away. So Zimmerman lied, and what even messed this up further was the dam Sanford police.

Lets not forget Zimmerman assaulted an officer before, and domestic violence against his ex girl. You should hear others testimony how he would be out at the bar and would flip out on people, this guy is a raving lunatic and needs to be locked up, how many more people have to die?




I lost a long post, again. But bottom line is that Arnie666, you are a racist, no matter your skin color is. The issue has always been about justice vs injustice. The media is about giving people the information they are curious about. How many (unarmed) kids go to the store for candy, in the US? A teen doing this, comes up dead, yet the shooter, who admitted to pursuing and confronting him, was released with any court hearing. Zimmerman's presumption of innocence, by self defense, was what the controversy was about. People want a greater truth to come out. And some type of official court proceeding is the best way for that to happen. Your assumptions are racist.

Obama simply responded to a question about this specific case. He was not asked about his opinion on crime, or victims in general. He has a teen aged children of his own. The chain of events started with an Zimmerman's assesment about Martin's looks. That is what Obama responded to.

I recently moved into a racially diverse community. Perhaps my son or I could be confronted as 'not belonging around here'. So in other words, justice in this case has larger implications for many people.

[jamesedwards]

He oursued a kid walking in his neighborhood and killed him. he didnt "stand his ground" he was the aggressor. if Martin had killed him he would be in the right.. the thing is phone records show Martin was a scared kid retreating and the shooter intent on conflict and armed. It's the new south same as the old south. it remeinds me of the trick or treater asian exchange student shot and killed in LA a few yrs ago...the shooter got off. If not for the DOJ the shooter would of gotten off here to but. this isnt the BGush DOJ it's a DOJ reminiscernt mof teh Kennedy/Johnson era that won't stand by while basic human rights are denied citizens. The real sad thing is the feds had to get involved showing how little things have changed. hell the shooter went home with the murder weapon

Exactly!!! Those phone records and recording of Trayvon on the phone scared is going to show Zimmerman was the predator so he can't use SYG law that's why he was now arrested because the DOJ with evidence show he couldn't use that because of how he approached the situation and it was Zimmerman that cause this whole thing from the jump. Had Zimmerman stayed his ass in the SUV like he was told by dispatcher either Trayvon would of been shot by Sanford police or the police would of found out his father lived there and he would of went home. But no Zimmerman wanted to play cop and hero.

[allurstouse]

Great Profound Post!!!!

Lets be real hear it's some what about race

Oh please anyone who thinks it wasn't all about race and Zimmerman's pre judging the intentions of a young black male is living in a fantasy land. it was all about race. Not only that but I sincerely doubt Zimmerman would of gone home with his gun after contradicting himself, not following police instructioins to back off and killing a teenage kid named Romney walking around the neighborhood. the new racism in this country is pretending their isn't racism. It isn't as bad as when I was a kid and it played on TV but frankly it's worse than it was 20 yrs ago.

[jamesedwards]

How man cases have anyone seen where an African american cop has shot Caucasian men, women or child? Does anyone have a new article on at least 3 nationwide cases?

Now on the other hand I can give you slews of cases where Caucasian police officers in the USA have killed African american people, women and men that were unarmed!!!

Just last month an African american man was shot because he had a dam cell phone up to his ear talking dam cop shot him in the hand in Chicago and while shooting shot an African american woman while she was walking by and she's fucking dead for no reason! Why? Guess what the guy that was shot told his story to reporters and took them to the place where it happened he's not locked up and the police chief said "IT WAS JUSTIFIED" huh? What the fuck!@!! Who the fuck holds a gun up to their ear while walking down the street? So how was it justified that the woman died as an innocent by stander? This is just one case out of thousands. So why this isn't getting national news? Because Trayvon's case is taking precedent that's why.

2011 an African american male was going home and three Caucasian cops stopped him grabbed three locs of hair out of his head, beat him with a tree branch and claimed he had a soda bottle that looked like a gun WTF? That young man was able to live and tell his story, I mean he was Trayvon but he lived!!!

Amidou Dialo shot in New York 41 times, for what? By Caucasian police, he did nothing wrong, and they shot him because what? They said his wallet looked like a gun? Either they need their eyes checked or get the hell off the force. HOw many dam rounds did they need to pump an unarmed college man full of bullets? He fell and they still kept loading up and firing, 41 shot is a lot. Hell Sean Bell 51 shots remember that? In NEW YORK also.

Why is the Industrial Incarceration Complex AKA Prison System filled 70% African american and the rest is Hispanic and Caucasian yet Caucasian statistically commit more crimes? Something is not right here, so when people say this isn't about race that's a bunch of bullshit!!!

People don't even know the original definition of racism, it's not hate another ethnic group. If you look up the word hate it has no definition of racism in it. Hate is Hate, not racism.

The true definition of Racism is "ANY GROUP WHO CLAIMS TO BE SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER RACE GROUP AND DEPRIVE THAT GROUP OF EDUCATION, ECONOMICS, SOCIAL, AND POLITICAL EQUALITY" that's fucking true racism. African americans, Hispanics and any other ethnic group in the USA who don't like Caucasians are just that THEY DON'T LIKE CAUCASIANS AND THEY CAN'T BE DEEMED RACIST!!! Every time someone doesn't want to date outside their race of the African americans or Hispanics people jump and call them racist, like how? wtf are you talking about? They have the right not to want to just like people have the right to mix. Racism the word is thrown around like the word love, people saying that shit but don't understand the true meaning of it and it just becomes a SAY IT WORD CLICHE` because you heard another person saying it and it sounds nice to say.

In this country words are used as a work of art that's why the legal and medical system use such words especially the legal system, that's why you need a lawyer to interpret those words. Most people don't even know the true knowledge of Britain and the US ties and being warden of the state and all these legal bullshit laws are. JUST SAYING.

[urbanchampion]

They need to delete that thread that mildcigar's cowardly ass made just to start a racist, trolling, flame war on the forum.

[EvonRose]

Why don't y'all answer his question?

Urbanchampion asked a really good question but seems like all the cowards ignored it... what opinionated smart people they are...

[urbanchampion]

Why don't y'all answer his question?

Urbanchampion asked a really good question but seems like all the cowards ignored it... what opinionated smart people they are...

Multiple questions...that have spanned over the past several days...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1122747&postcount=608

mildcigar and yourdaddy can't answer them because they're afraid to answer them. I've called them out on their bullshit so they avoid it. Fear is a powerful motivator as well as something to shut someone up if they lack a spine. They'd rather troll the forums with bullshit and have diarrhea of the mouth. Anything that they say from now on is basically meaningless because of this. You might as well try to reason with a child who has ADHD and brain damage.

[jamesedwards]

HELL FUCKING YEAH I CONCUR WITH YOU ALL THE WAY ON THAT.:iagree:

You dam real, I can go deeper into it that it's all about race and identity status in this country. If you fill out an application you are asked "ARE YOU BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC OR OTHER?" These are nothing but identity statuses that give each group certain benefits as a so called CITIZEN!!! Now modern applications have VOLUNTEER to fill that section out, some people are so brained wash they still fill it out. So it is about race. A person from say Dominican republic darker than I will ever be don't put BLACK on an application and that person roots are straight from Africa. Why? Because that person knows their history and they know they are not black because they are Afro Dominican, Afro Cuban, Afro Puerto Rican, so when we came here we were African not Black. Black the word was agreed to be used on African descent people by the NAACP checking in to Caucasian govt to say this is what we should be called, after going through a series of names, negro, colored, etc, we are none of those we are African descent people.

Now check this out and how funny the Caucasians are of this country, they were never called White people that's a modern term for identity status purposes, I never seen a white person in my entire life!!! Before they got here they were called Christians, natives called them "PALE FACE OR RED MEN". I am a scholar of world history, African history etc. There were people here before Columbus who's real name is "CRISTABOL COLON". There were people sailing back and forth from Africa to the Americas way before the murderer landed here. Now the Caucasian Spaniards mated with the natives that were already here that's how you have all the Mexicans, Chicanos etc. But check how the Caucasian govt called HISPANICS immigrates yet they were here before the Caucasian man!!! LOL See it's all a dam identity status words of art game!!! I know I worked in law and those words are mostly Greek or Latin same in the medical field. In law they use these words to basically play games, simple way of putting for those who don't comprehend me saying they use words of art.


Oh please anyone who thinks it wasn't all about race and Zimmerman's pre judging the intentions of a young black male is living in a fantasy land. it was all about race. Not only that but I sincerely doubt Zimmerman would of gone home with his gun after contradicting himself, not following police instructioins to back off and killing a teenage kid named Romney walking around the neighborhood. the new racism in this country is pretending their isn't racism. It isn't as bad as when I was a kid and it played on TV but frankly it's worse than it was 20 yrs ago.

[allurstouse]

Multiple questions...that have spanned over the past several days...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1122747&postcount=608

mildcigar and yourdaddy can't answer them because they're afraid to answer them. I've called them out on their bullshit so they avoid it. Fear is a powerful motivator as well as something to shut someone up if they lack a spine. They'd rather troll the forums with bullshit and have diarrhea of the mouth. Anything that they say from now on is basically meaningless because of this. You might as well try to reason with a child who has ADHD and brain damage.

Honestly, I take offense at the ADHD comment. I am very reasonable and frankly smarter t han most according to the "tests" Adhd doesn't mean stupid or pigheaded or drain bamaged it also doesnt mean lack of attention more like to much attention and to much multitasking .info/en/answers/adhd-positive-aspects.htm Just call them racists it fits better and it doesn't slander me. Seriously they may not think they are but really I never met a racist who thought they were one. This thread has some of the most foul putrid hateful ignorant racist comments I have ever read. let them value their ignorance and go through life bitter and hateful. It's the reward they deserve and well earned. there beliefs guarentee their misery

[urbanchampion]

Honestly, I take offense at the ADHD comment. I am very reasonable and frankly smarter t han most according to the "tests" Adhd doesn't mean stupid or pigheaded or drain bamaged it also doesnt mean lack of attention more like to much attention and to much multitasking .info/en/answers/adhd-positive-aspects.htm Just call them racists it fits better and it doesn't slander me. Seriously they may not think they are but really I never met a racist who thought they were one. This thread has some of the most foul putrid hateful ignorant racist comments I have ever read. let them value their ignorance and go through life bitter and hateful. It's the reward they deserve and well earned. there beliefs guarentee their misery

I apologize for that comment. I shouldn't have said that.

Do moderators even EXIST on this damn forum??? I fucking swear, it's like the comments section of a youtube video instead of a forum in here!

[jamesedwards]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Rahim4411/36_11_6.jpg

Dammm you put it down on their asses lol hahah They tried to talk about gold teeth, hell there are grown ups that get gold teeth and work a 9 to 5 and they aren't thugs. What they don't understand is Trayvon was just going through a phase his parents are no way thugs, and his father is a Mason so there is some order there. Yet those fucking idiots couldn't answer your questions. How is it Zimmerman has a fucking criminal record yet not seen as a thug and Trayvon doesn't yet is seen a thug? SMH

What those idiots are trying to say is Trayvon was a thug or heading to be a thug and basically it's ok he got shot. SMH. Your facts bust the hell outta their heads LOL


Multiple questions...that have spanned over the past several days...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1122747&postcount=608

mildcigar and yourdaddy can't answer them because they're afraid to answer them. I've called them out on their bullshit so they avoid it. Fear is a powerful motivator as well as something to shut someone up if they lack a spine. They'd rather troll the forums with bullshit and have diarrhea of the mouth. Anything that they say from now on is basically meaningless because of this. You might as well try to reason with a child who has ADHD and brain damage.

[urbanchampion]

yourdaddy and mildcigar...?

Beavis and Butthead Farting and Laughing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrWfNonLDQ)

[jamesedwards]

yourdaddy and mildcigar...?

Beavis and Butthead Farting and Laughing - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrWfNonLDQ)

LOLhahahah lol

Notice the Washington Monument is in the back ground which is the symbol in Egypt "COCK" phallus with hieroglyphics on it lol

So both of them are cocks in the sense lol

[jamesedwards]

I guess those that support Zimmerman don't have a leg to stand on now.

[pimpdog]

Everybody is "racist" thinking black women always have big bootys, or Mexican girls have pretty eyes, you know?

[giovanni_hotel]

Zimmerman is going to have a really hard time defending in court why he just didn't continue to follow Trayvon instead of confronting him?? If he had followed him for about 50 more yards, nobody would be dead and Trayvon would have made it back to his dad's apartment alive.

Dude had a gun so it wasn't like he was in imminent danger. There was no need to get in his face.

[yourdaddy]

nicole, your questions are as lame as the poster who claims that thugs and criminals are "embarassed" to wear their guns exposed.

[trish]

If you're not embarrassed, then do it. Wear them everywhere out in public. Not only will you embarrass yourself, but your family too; you can count on it. Everybody will know you have a little boy's infatuation with his toys and cannot go out without them. You know it. You're just too fucking embarrassed now to admit it. I know it. Everybody knows it. You probably have a teensy dick too.

[trish]

Btw, you've misrepresented my claim which wasn't directed at thugs and criminals but rather at the cowardly assholes who insist on concealed carry so they can practice acts of spontaneous vigilante heroism.

[yourdaddy]

So, trish, you want to give free rein to the thugs who will ALWAYS tuck their weapons, but you want people in states that don't have an "open carry" law to get arrested? You are a typical liberal idiot that doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

You appear to be suffering from the same idiocy that old dupree has. Halitosis Homophiliosis is not a pretty condition.

[mathematics1900]

Btw, you've misrepresented my claim which wasn't directed at thugs and criminals but rather at the cowardly assholes who insist on concealed carry so they can practice acts of spontaneous vigilante heroism.

Yeah, but in your misguided attempt to save everyone from 'spontaneous vigilante heroism' you've failed to realize that by taking guns out of law abiding citizens hands you are just making it that much easier for criminals to commit crime. Why can't you seem to wrap your head around that? How naive are you? If I am a criminal do you really think gun laws are going to stop me from getting a gun? I would LOVE it if everyone was banned from having a gun because that makes me the most lethal force on the streets.

You have no idea why people were convinced to give up their guns, you know nothing about history, you are a very close minded individual. What do you think will stop the government from doing whatever they went, whenever they want? It sure as hell isn't town hall meetings. Why do you think the mob was never able to setup shop in Texas but it was so easy in New York? Do you know why? It is because people in Texas were allowed to legally carry guns and it is a lot harder to strong arm someone for cash when they have just as many guns as you do. This is the same argument when speaking about nuclear armament. It is unfair to say we can have guns as police, but you can't as citizens, we can have nukes as the united states, but countries we deem a threat cannot.

Wake up, please Jesus, wake the fuck up!

[mathematics1900]

So, trish, you want to give free rein to the thugs who will ALWAYS tuck their weapons, but you want people in states that don't have an "open carry" law to get arrested? You are a typical liberal idiot that doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

You appear to be suffering from the same idiocy that old dupree has. Halitosis Homophiliosis is not a pretty condition.

Stop saying liberal. Liberty is exactly what guns gave to us, Trish isn't liberal, she is just misinformed.

[yourdaddy]

Hopeless, helpless, hopeless. Good fucking luck.

[trish]

No, i'm not advocating we take away your right to carry... just have the balls to carry openly. If that little stipulation prevents you from carrying at all, then how can we count at all on your vigilante protections?

[mathematics1900]

No, i'm not advocating we take away your right to carry... just have the balls to carry openly. If that little stipulation prevents you from carrying at all, then how can we count at all on your vigilante protections?

Put yourself in the mind of a criminal, I am sitting in my car waiting to mug someone. Now I know everyone by law has to show their firearm if they are carrying, after all Trish is president and put this law into effect, now after about 10 minutes and counting 30 people that walked on this street, I realized they all had guns on them except one person. Guess who is getting mugged?

Same scenario, except looking at those same 30 people I have no idea who to mug, because I have no idea who is carrying a gun. Now the risk for me mugging someone is the chance that I might be shot and killed if I happen to choose a bad target. This is why open carry as a law won't work.

[buttslinger]

Why do you think the mob was never able to setup shop in Texas but it was so easy in New York? Do you know why?

Because they didn't want to hang out with inbred rednecks?

[mathematics1900]

Because they didn't want to hang out with inbred rednecks?

The answer was in the following sentence, lol, so stupid.

[trish]

I see you love to paint little fantasies where you're the vigilante hero, cloaked and unnoticed until you pull out your big gun. What a laugh! What a loser!!

[yourdaddy]

Gee, trish, i must have totally mis-read what a real man you are. You must be a Veteran too. Thanks for all your service to our country. Normally, people like you just suck off the dimocrat tit. But you, with all your vaste experience with gun laws have to have given some time back to the good folks who lay down their lives keep us safe.

[mathematics1900]

I see you love to paint little fantasies where you're the vigilante hero, cloaked and unnoticed until you pull out your big gun. What a laugh! What a loser!!

What is the highest level of education you completed?

[Stavros]

Why do you think the mob was never able to setup shop in Texas but it was so easy in New York? Do you know why? It is because people in Texas were allowed to legally carry guns and it is a lot harder to strong arm someone for cash when they have just as many guns as you do. This is the same argument when speaking about nuclear armament. It is unfair to say we can have guns as police, but you can't as citizens, we can have nukes as the united states, but countries we deem a threat cannot.

Wake up, please Jesus, wake the fuck up!

Sorry Maths, but the 'mob' has been in Texas since the 1920s, based in Dallas. All you needed to do was google 'history of the mafia in Texas' to find the story of the Dallas mob and so on and so forth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_crime_family

On the one hand, if every American who owned a gun used it to kill one person every week, more than a million Americans would die every 7 days, so I guess most gun-owners are 'responsible' -but then I wonder how many 'pack a piece' every time they go to the supermarket to buy, shall we say, skittles and ice tea? And crucially, how many people use a gun to kill when, for example, they could use it to threaten, or wound -you never seem to hear of some attacker being shot in the leg, for example. Guns are part of your culture, you have to find a way of ensuring that nutters don't have them, that would at least be a start.

[yourdaddy]

What is the highest level of education you completed?

Turd gwade...why do you axe?

[trish]

What is the highest level of education you completed?
Tell me, mathematics, what theory links the homology of chain complexes and De Rahm cohomology?

[mathematics1900]

Sorry Maths, but the 'mob' has been in Texas since the 1920s, based in Dallas. All you needed to do was google 'history of the mafia in Texas' to find the story of the Dallas mob and so on and so forth:
Wikipedia (Thumbnails)

Wikipedia (Thumbnails)


On the one hand, if every American who owned a gun used it to kill one person every week, more than a million Americans would die every 7 days, so I guess most gun-owners are 'responsible' -but then I wonder how many 'pack a piece' every time they go to the supermarket to buy, shall we say, skittles and ice tea? And crucially, how many people use a gun to kill when, for example, they could use it to threaten, or wound -you never seem to hear of some attacker being shot in the leg, for example. Guns are part of your culture, you have to find a way of ensuring that nutters don't have them, that would at least be a start.

Did you even read the article you linked me to? Dallas is now Texas? Lol, I like how you can break down a statement, focus on one detail (dallas is in texas), and then form your argument. I was speaking about Texas, and the mob never ran Texas. However, the mob sure as hell ran New York.

Also, since you fail to understand human psychology, most people use guns as a means for posturing. The average citizen doesn't want confrontation, the average citizen doesn't want to shoot anyone, the average citizen wants to live his life in peace. I have had numerous friends with a permit to carry pull their guns and defuse situations that could of gotten real bad, real fast. Keeping the guns out of the hands of the nutters? You're insane, you are probably the same person who wants to restrict guns based off of the Virginia Tech shooting yet don't even realize that the amount of people killed there is tripled every weekend in Philadelphia. There is more going on here than just guns!

[mathematics1900]

Tell me, mathematics, what theory links the homology of chain complexes and De Rahm cohomology?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you probably don't even understand enough mathematics to realize why that is a loaded question. Did you some how think my field of expertise was in topological mathematics? Lol, damn you're stupid.

[trish]

No, but every decent grad student can answer that qualifier question.

[yourdaddy]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you probably don't even understand enough mathematics to realize why that is a loaded question. Did you some how think my field of expertise was in topological mathematics? Lol, damn you're stupid.

Spoken like a true liberal idiot.

How many cows does it take to comprise a herd? OOOooops...I forgot. You've never even seen a fucking cow.

[mathematics1900]

No, but every decent grad student can answer that qualifier question.

You're joking right? What math program are you participating in again? I guess I could spend 10 minutes reading to satisfy my own ego, but what's the point? It is pretty clear you don't know shit about mathematics, the structure of most undergraduate math programs, which definitely means I doubt you understand the structure of most graduate math programs.


Spoken like a true liberal idiot.

How many cows does it take to comprise a herd? OOOooops...I forgot. You've never even seen a fucking cow.

Stop using the word liberal, you don't know what it means. Yes, I have seen cows and probably work with more agriculture and livestock than you, so sit down please.

[trish]

I grew up in southern Pennsyvania, don't you read? Of course I've seen cows. News flash : it's not a trick question.

[mathematics1900]

I grew up in southern Pennsyvania, don't you read? Of course I've seen cows. News flash : it's not a trick question.

Nail in the coffin right here, dude quotes me and you reply. Lol, what drugs you on honey?

[trish]

Usually a student will take qualifiers in abstract algebra (groups, fields, modules etc.), analysis (functional and complex and measure theory), topology (point set and algebraic) and their choice of one or two qualifiers in another field (number theory, logic, differential geometry etc.) Details depend on the school.

[yourdaddy]

Trish, the mouth disease is running rampant. Relax, take some MRSA antibiotics, and quit fretting. Math Man is here to cover your ass.

[yourdaddy]

Usually a student will take qualifiers in abstract algebra (groups, fields, modules etc.), analysis (functional and complex and measure theory), topology (point set and algebraic) and their choice of one or two qualifiers in another field (number theory, logic, differential geometry etc.) Details depend on the school.

I specialized in string theoretics. I was always amazed by the string thongs that topless dancers used to wear.

[trish]

Here another question Mr. Math: A non-empty subset of the Baire space is co- analytic in a computable parameter; does it contain a computable member? Why or why not?

[yourdaddy]

Looks like old trish has mastered Google.

[trish]

I'm just answering your question.

[trish]

Can you find that last question on Google? I challenge you.

[buttslinger]

why don't you go ask some engineers who are working at Lockeed to perform some thermodynamics when they specialize in material biochemistry.

What the fuck happened to mathematics 1900? Did he go back to Dallas? Haw Haw Haw,

[robertlouis]

What disappoints me most about this thread is the frenetic search for a conclusive narrative in advance of any trial.

You're a lone voice of objective sanity amidst all the yelling, Stavros, but you're right.

[trish]

Seems more applicable for computer science.
The Baire category theorem is an important tool in general topology, lol, what is with you?Sorry. It's not a computer science question. Wrong field. Try again. Hint: Yes, Baire proved a theorem or two. He also invented a few things, like spaces. There's whole class of spaces known as Polish spaces. The Baire space is an example of one.

[flabbybody]

Here another question Mr. Math: A non-empty subset of the Baire space is co- analytic in a computable parameter; does it contain a computable member? Why or why not?
that screen name is currently unable to respond.
I'm sure the entity will reemerge very soon with a new identity.

[trish]

I asked the highest level of education you've completed, because you obviously didn't understand the basic logic of sequential steps written out for you in my scenario. So either you are unable to think on a higher level which would mean you never went to school, or you are refusing to, and in that case I would like for you to just admit that is what you're doing.Finally, back to the issue. It's not rocket science. One doesn't need a degree to understand your point. Nor is it difficult to see it's based in a fantasy of vigilante heroism. What we've witness over the past forty odd days is what happens when vigilante heroics is attempted by persons who don't measure up. All this shit talk about your need to carry your weapon and your need to keep it concealed is simply testosterone fueled daydreaming.

[EvonRose]

that screen name is currently unable to respond.
I'm sure the entity will reemerge very soon with a new identity.

why was he banned?

[trish]

Thank you, flabbybody. :D

[robertlouis]

that screen name is currently unable to respond.
I'm sure the entity will reemerge very soon with a new identity.


...and sure enough, up he pops with a new identity, mathematics1800, achieved simply by deducting 100 from his number and placing himself in the right century at last.

Let the fun continue....

[mathematics1700]

Sorry. It's not a computer science question. Wrong field. Try again. Hint: Yes, Baire proved a theorem or two. He also invented a few things, like spaces. There's whole class of spaces known as Polish spaces. The Baire space is an example of one.

Wrong field? God you're stupid...now I know for sure you are simply googling. Computational theory IS RELATED TO COMPUTER SCIENCE. Computer science and fields like artificial intelligence rely on computational theory, lord.

"A Baire space is a topological space with the following property" Yes, I realize, I can read from wikipedia as well, but I have enough experience to understand that when you continually bring up irrelevant shit in the hopes that you'll disprove I'm a mathematician just makes you look really, really desperate. I already told you, I did zero work in the field of topology, abstract algebra and analysis can be taught from many different perspectives, what are you going to ask me to do next, prove 1+1 = 2 with basic axioms? You don't even understand why you look so bad...sad.

[trish]

I think I had enough fun thank you, and let me apologize for feeding the trolls. Sometimes, I can't be helped.