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OmarZ

09-17-2011, 05:02 PM

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Posted on: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:08 am

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dante

09-17-2011, 05:09 PM

I was here first, see wendywilliams and the rest of the girls in her new project www.smcnetwork.net (http://www.smcnetwork.net)

universal2

09-17-2011, 05:10 PM

damn she got a phat ass, oh well, the bitch most likly had bad experiance with brothers in the past OR she just cant handle it....oh well PLENTY of other bitches like this with PHATTER asses who love that chocolate.

Silcc69

09-17-2011, 05:13 PM

See GOTDAMN! That the type of bitch that a nigga want.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 05:14 PM

TSPornFan

09-17-2011, 05:26 PM

actually its not racist. all i fuck in my personal life is black men, i dont find white men attractive in the slightest. but when i used to escort i hung up in all the black mens faces. its statistics. i can honestly say that 9 out of 10 black guys tried to shortchange me and haggle. ive had them get violent in my house to the point where i had to stab one almost to death. my girlfriends have had broken noses, broken arms, one of my girlfriends even has bulletholes in her wall that she covers with picture frames. who the fuck wants to deal with that? i wouldnt have said "no black men" i would have just said "no thugs". STATISTICLY black men want too much for too little and bring drama.

just like asian people cant drive, and mexicans steal all the landscaping jobs.

theres a difference between stereotypes and racism.

if someone calls we wanna hear "hi. how are you? i'd like to schedule an appointment." NOT "yo whats poppin shorty im tryna come thru n fuck so wassup?". that shit sounds broke and tacky. at the end of the day this is a BUSINESS and many girls way of living and surviving. if it sounds broke we dont bother.

I agree it is not racism to find a race of people sexually unattractive. However, to assume that a race of people will shortchange you is racist. Not all black men are criminals and assholes.

Jackal

09-17-2011, 05:30 PM

She's a ten, what an amazing body and she's pretty too. damn

dante

09-17-2011, 05:32 PM

when i used to escort.

I though you was rich

dante

09-17-2011, 05:37 PM

are you stupid? IJS

those pictures of 100 dollar bills are sucking cock money then?

Jamie French

09-17-2011, 05:37 PM

You can say it's racist all day but until you've placed an ad and started charging money for sex you just don't know the reality of this very specific and specialized situation. Black guys will either haggle, try to get out of paying, or just plain leave without paying, (Happened to me once after a session when I went to freshen up in the restroom.)
That's just the way it is... saying all that, my best performer for my website is a black man and my band's drummer is a black man, (one of the best in North Texas), the last girl I fucked was a black fetish model... so I'm not racist, it's just that black johns who chase trannies suck as customers.

dante

09-17-2011, 05:39 PM

I am black

Jamie French

09-17-2011, 05:40 PM

Congratulations.

I am black

dante

09-17-2011, 05:45 PM

Congratulations.

how much for a shag Jamie?

Jackal

09-17-2011, 05:48 PM

pay without leaving? They dont ask for money upfront?

Jamie French

09-17-2011, 05:48 PM

200 a session. Not timed. email jamie@jamiesfetish.com for full details.

how much for a shag Jamie?

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 05:49 PM

I agree it is not racism to find a race of people sexually unattractive. However, to assume that a race of people will shortchange you is racist. Not all black men are criminals and assholes.

Precisely... she could have said no thugs (like there arent any latino or white thugs), but no, she had to say "no black guys"... like every single black man has the plague or something.

Jamie French

09-17-2011, 05:52 PM

It may just be easier to phrase it that way... perspective people... this is the wording in an escort's ad. It holds no bearing on anything that actually matters in real life outside of paying money to fuck a stranger.

Precisely... she could have said no thugs (like there arent any latino or white thugs), but no, she had to say "no black guys"... like every single black man has the plague or something.

Silcc69

09-17-2011, 05:57 PM

She should've said NO NIGGERS!

doctor screw

09-17-2011, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by uBitchesWannaBme
actually its not racist. all i fuck in my personal life is black men, i dont find white men attractive in the slightest. but when i used to escort i hung up in all the black mens faces. its statistics. i can honestly say that 9 out of 10 black guys tried to shortchange me and haggle. ive had them get violent in my house to the point where i had to stab one almost to death. my girlfriends have had broken noses, broken arms, one of my girlfriends even has bulletholes in her wall that she covers with picture frames. who the fuck wants to deal with that? i wouldnt have said "no black men" i would have just said "no thugs". STATISTICLY black men want too much for too little and bring drama.

if someone calls we wanna hear "hi. how are you? i'd like to schedule an appointment." NOT "yo whats poppin shorty im tryna come thru n fuck so wassup?". that shit sounds broke and tacky. at the end of the day this is a BUSINESS and many girls way of living and surviving. if it sounds broke we dont bother.

This is why I see trannys just as sexual objects....

doctor screw

09-17-2011, 06:12 PM

Look at all the excuses for there racism.......smh
At the end of the day,the black guys shouldn't be mad.....just treat them how they treat you and natural order will take place
The ts in the pic did have a phat ass,but her face was slightly above average anyway and isn't worth the mental discomfort....just saying

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 06:48 PM

tgirls like her I'd usually purposely squirt my nut in her eye

Instrumental

09-17-2011, 07:04 PM

She looks really good...

I wonder if she'd go for us light-skinned blacks hahahahha

SunshyneMonroe

09-17-2011, 07:08 PM

:whistle:

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 07:29 PM

She looks really good...

I wonder if she'd go for us light-skinned blacks hahahahha

shes had work done to look like kim kardashian... look at the fake nose

http://morganbaileyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mariam-micol-smps-03.jpg

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 07:32 PM

shes had work done to look like kim kardashian... look at the fake nose

http://morganbaileyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mariam-micol-smps-03.jpg

Is it just me or does it look like her titties are staring at me?

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 07:39 PM

Is it just me or does it look like her titties are staring at me?

the implants are way too big, and the nose looks soo fake

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StlyeMeCunty

09-17-2011, 07:50 PM

:whistle:

LMAO girl

envivision

09-17-2011, 07:52 PM

She is Kim Kardasian of Staten island

Silcc69

09-17-2011, 07:53 PM

Wait is this Marieam?

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 07:55 PM

You Black Guys are lucky she won't take your calls. That's Arabic Miriam and her TER reviews are terrible. White Men, save your money too. She's not good at her job of being a hooker.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 07:55 PM

Wait is this Marieam?

yeah, she had some work done on her face

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 07:55 PM

Wait is this Marieam?

Holly cow it does look like her. If it is her she put on POUNDS compared to how she used to look (im not calling her fat)

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 07:56 PM

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 08:02 PM

Wow cant believe thats her now. Still looking good. I used to have the biggest crush on her when I first got into tgirls

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 08:03 PM

Shes "armenian" now

Obviously she has some issues and lousy attitude...

I read once a very long time ago that she used to be/probably still is, suicidal.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 08:10 PM

Wow cant believe thats her now. Still looking good. I used to have the biggest crush on her when I first got into tgirls

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universal2

09-17-2011, 08:11 PM

true that

but this is still racist shit and insulting

dont even sweat it son, ay belive me it could of been worse and anyway her ta ta's look deformed + like i said 9 times out of 10, they love that hershey dick. every t-girl ive seen whether shes a classy one from manhattan or a straight gutter one from brooklyn....ive never had a complaint or tried to short change or came across abusive, and in return i get nothing BUT love from these woman and also with one or two i have met them outside of working hours for freebee's. still do.

peace

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 08:12 PM

I read once a very long time ago that she used to be/probably still is, suicidal.

from her youtube... to kim k...

love u kim pls call me i want to look like u :( we r also frome the same country:) also i go buy kimberlly:) i so am in love with u ur like my sister:) 323 455 84 99 pls call me

she needs help

BigBlackMan

09-17-2011, 08:13 PM

I'm not saying anything.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 08:21 PM

Her new photos...

Whats it with so many trannys trying to look like a Kim Kardashian clone?

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The Shika

09-17-2011, 08:23 PM

I'm not saying anything.

Lol, hilarity ensues.

Is it the same when there are some ewcorts that say they prefer white/latino/asian/indian etc. Just about every other race mentioned except for black? I know it's just preference, but the hint is still there.

The Shika

09-17-2011, 08:37 PM

Black people smell like cornbread and feet.

Ewwwwww....

Lol, you must know. You have to be black then.

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 08:43 PM

Shes "armenian" now

Obviously she has some issues and lousy attitude...

She calls herself Brazilian when there's a dollar in it for her. I think she's Turkish but she could be Persian. She's a thief wherever the heck she's from. She won't get my hundred dollars.

Silcc69

09-17-2011, 08:46 PM

Kim K is worthless whore who got fame from having a shitty sextape with a B list celebrity. Shit like this can only happen in America.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 08:47 PM

She calls herself Brazilian when there's a dollar in it for her. I think she's Turkish but she could be Persian. She's a thief wherever the heck she's from. She won't get my hundred dollars.

Never read her reviews, shes that bad?

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 08:51 PM

Never read her reviews, shes that bad?

Ask around. I rarely ever act negatively toward the girls but when they try to steal too much of the fella's cash I gotta speak up. There's tons of documentation on her on TER reviews and the free board too. No one defends her either. She's probably not worth defending.

If she took pride in her job and took care of her customers she would be successful. She chooses to do the opposite so she deserves the consequences of her decisions.

Silcc69

09-17-2011, 08:52 PM

Never read her reviews, shes that bad?

Girls that do both porn and escort tend to have horrible reviews. IDK why that is but they simply do.

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 08:55 PM

Girls that do both porn and escort tend to have horrible reviews. IDK why that is but they simply do.

I'd hire Foxxy or Celeste in a minute if I wasn't such a cheapo. They both are good at handling wieners with a smile and charge $300.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 09:17 PM

Ask around. I rarely ever act negatively toward the girls but when they try to steal too much of the fella's cash I gotta speak up. There's tons of documentation on her on TER reviews and the free board too. No one defends her either. She's probably not worth defending.

If she took pride in her job and took care of her customers she would be successful. She chooses to do the opposite so she deserves the consequences of her decisions.

Just looked at that stuff, and wow, that's some of the worst stuff ive read about a provider, everyone agrees shes a scammer and a liar... looks like shes in it to steal.

giovanni_hotel

09-17-2011, 09:20 PM

Some of you brothas are FUCCKING IT UP for the rest of us!!!

Get that shit together, thank you.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 09:23 PM

Some of you brothas are FUCCKING IT UP for the rest of us!!!

Get that shit together, thank you.

Well, reading her reviews, it looks like brothers stood up to her scam, did everyone a favor.

Her reputation on TER forum is just horrible... guys say shes borderline criminal.

giovanni_hotel

09-17-2011, 09:29 PM

Yeah I didn't realize that was Miriam. She had SERIOUS surgery done on her face.
Oh well she can be exclusive, I'm not thinking about her anyway.

LMAO that a chick turns her body into a brotha magnet, then advertises she won't see them!!

doctor screw

09-17-2011, 09:31 PM

Some of you brothas are FUCCKING IT UP for the rest of us!!!

Get that shit together, thank you.

....or you can blame her,since shes the problem
you can always trace a problem back to another underlining problem,but the fact of the matter is..........shes still apart of the problem ,at the "very least"

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:34 PM

TSPornFan

09-17-2011, 09:34 PM

I've heard some bad things about her from directors and producers. I requested to her on sites. I've heard from them that she has flaked many times.

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 09:37 PM

She is the one who had her own reality game show for a short while right where the winner of the show became her boyfriend, but the dude didn't know she was a tranny until he won?

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:37 PM

I've heard some bad things about her from directors and producers. I requested to her on sites. I've heard from them that she has flaked many times.

I'm just commenting on her night job. For all I know she's wonderful at making porn. I'll trust in Seanchai or whoever hires her for that job for information.

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:38 PM

She is the one who had her own reality game show for a short while right where the winner of the show became her boyfriend, but the dude didn't know she was a tranny until he won?

That's another Miriam. Miriam Rivera.

BigBlackMan

09-17-2011, 09:39 PM

Black people smell like cornbread and feet.

Ewwwwww....

Cornbread smells good

giovanni_hotel

09-17-2011, 09:43 PM

Cornbread smells good

Cornbread tastes good.

My momma makes hella cornbread, a meal unto itself!!:yingyang:

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:45 PM

Cornbread smells good

I like Cornbread with Jalapenos and Cheddar Cheese cooked into it. I make homemade chili that I pour over the top and cover it all with more Cheddar Cheese, Onions, and chopped Tomatoes.

sheyum

09-17-2011, 09:49 PM

hmm
i dont know that not liking black men (or women ) sexually makes One a racist!

people use the term "racist" in correctly...

ok--i suppose the implication here is that Black men somehow are undesirable in ways other than physical..after all-she IS a prostitiute and probably fucks alot of people shes not into physically.
but maybe--just maybe--she just doesnt LIKE Black men..or finds them unpappealing...or is even disgusted by them!! Still doesnt make her a racisct.
just means she doesnt LIKE fucking black me..
no crime in that..

There are alot of types i dont like fucking...doesnt make me a racist..
I dont wanna fuck an 80 year old woman--does that make me an ageist??

think about it..

in the absence of HER explanantion of what excatly she meant---i think its inappropriate to assume shes racist..

doctor screw

09-17-2011, 09:53 PM

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 09:56 PM

Told 'ya. She's the hairy sweaty armpit of the hooker business. Stay away no matter what color you are. She steals the green from everyone and I don't mean pot 'cuz I'd share some with her if she were nice.

And shes making other girls in the biz look bad...

No wonder shes constantly changing identity and names...

SirCumsAlot

09-17-2011, 09:56 PM

That's another Miriam. Miriam Rivera.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH opps, well I feel dumb right about now.

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:57 PM

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 09:58 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH opps, well I feel dumb right about now.

Hang around with me. You'll feel smart again.:cheers:

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:03 PM

Precisely... she could have said no thugs (like there arent any latino or white thugs), but no, she had to say "no black guys"... like every single black man has the plague or something.

:iagree: Exactly. So why did this thread continue? :?

~BB~

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:04 PM

The fact that she is a bad hooker trumps any racist stuff. This reminds me of a description of a Law & Order episode: "When detectives uncover a murderer they also discover he is a racist." NBC made it seem like a racist is worse than a killer. NBPC.

By the stuff they say about her on TER, shes a shitty person all around... Nightmare experience.

But she will pay for it all... Shes gonna be 45 some day...

Jackal

09-17-2011, 10:04 PM

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:05 PM

:iagree: Exactly. So why did this thread continue? :?

~BB~

Well, dino gave a heads up on that shes also one of the worst providers out there, a total scam, criminal.

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:08 PM

By the stuff they say about her on TER, shes a shitty person all around... Nightmare experience.

But she will pay for it all... Shes gonna be 45 some day...

Father Time balances the scale of justice for gals like her. Hope she's socking her ill gotten gains away in a bank account or she'll be just another foreigner looking for a handout. Perhaps she can still push a vacuum cleaner and figure out what a broom is used for other than her cam shows by then. At that point, Arnold wouldn't shove his bratwurst in her sloppy funhole.

laoda8

09-17-2011, 10:17 PM

why fret, it's not hard to find a hot girl who will fuck (and even better prefer) black men. Why get upset.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:20 PM

Father Time balances the scale of justice for gals like her. Hope she's socking her ill gotten gains away in a bank account or she'll be just another foreigner looking for a handout. Perhaps she can still push a vacuum cleaner and figure out what a broom is used for other than her cam shows by then. At that point, Arnold wouldn't shove his bratwurst in her sloppy funhole.

And by amount of work shes done in the past 2 or so years, its gonna be a scary sight...

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:20 PM

Well, dino gave a heads up on that shes also one of the worst providers out there, a total scam, criminal.

I don't want to comment on that because I don't know anything about her. I just want to point out that 'no thugs' is perfectly acceptable while 'no blacks' is disgusting. Who says stuff like that?! :?

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:22 PM

why fret, it's not hard to find a hot girl who will fuck (and even better prefer) black men. Why get upset.

That's right. Girls have all kinds of preferences. No need for hate unless they steal your money. Know the game and play to win. It IS a game, fellas!

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:24 PM

I don't want to comment on that because I don't know anything about her. I just want to point out that 'no thugs' is perfectly acceptable while 'no blacks' is disgusting. Who says stuff like that?! :?

~BB~

I'm sure you have good Libertarian values and take great pride in your work. I have zero doubt on your ability to put a smile on a man's face.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:27 PM

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:33 PM

The "no blacks" part of her ad is probably the only honest words you'll get from her. She'll try to convince me I'll get a good time for 200 bucks. That lie I object to.

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:39 PM

I'm sure you have good Libertarian values and take great pride in your work. I have zero doubt on your ability to put a smile on a man's face.

Thank you, but I charge accordingly. I'm not your typical glamour doll TS by a long shot, but I'm the most unique girl you'll find anywhere and I actually enjoy escorting for the most part, so I charge between 200-250 depending on whether I feel like running a special or not, and sometimes I'll do 30 minute sessions for 150 with trusted clients if I'm bored or need extra cash. I get more for topping.

I suspect you're proudly too cheap to pay my rates. :lol:

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:43 PM

Thank you, but I charge accordingly. I'm not your typical glamour doll TS by a long shot, but I'm the most unique girl you'll find anywhere and I actually enjoy escorting for the most part, so I charge between 200-250 depending on whether I feel like running a special or not, and sometimes I'll do 30 minute sessions for 150 with trusted clients if I'm bored or need extra cash. I get more for topping.

I suspect you're proudly too cheap to pay my rates. :lol:

~BB~

250 is not even a dollar per pound with me. Seems like good value.

It would be weird hiring you. I'd rather take you to dinner and treat you like a lady. I don't think of you in that way. I actually like you as a person.

laoda8

09-17-2011, 10:44 PM

I like prostitutes as people too :)

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:45 PM

250 is not even a dollar per pound with me. Seems like good value.

It would be weird hiring you. I'd rather take you to dinner and treat you like a lady. I don't think of you in that way. I actually like you as a person.

Thanks. I find likability to be a double-edged sword, and in my case you either love me or hate me. But I'm terrific at impersonations and role play. Maybe I could pretend to be a girl you dislike? :dancing:

~BB~

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:47 PM

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:48 PM

Bella is a nice lady. Call her, not Miriam. She's a Red Sox fan and can help you think of baseballs scores so you can hold out longer as you can smash that steamy Beantown Beanhole.

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:50 PM

Bella surprised me with her keen political insight the other night.

Aww thanks! I'm full of surprises. :P

Bella is a nice lady. Call her, not Miriam. She's a Red Sox fan and can help you think of baseballs scores so you can hold out longer as you can smash that steamy Beantown Beanhole.

I'm more of a football (Daa Pats!) fan. Let's see that again Jon:

Wes Welker Runs 99 Yards For Touchdown New England Patriots Vs Miami Dolphins - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqUIxUY9pA)

~BB~

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:52 PM

Bella is a nice lady. Call her, not Miriam. She's a Red Sox fan and can help you think of baseballs scores so you can hold out longer as you can smash that steamy Beantown Beanhole.

Well, Miriam looks like more of a sex object, does not look or sound too smart

Bella is a type of a person you have a conversation with, not hard unforgiving sex

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:52 PM

Thanks. I find likability to be a double-edged sword, and in my case you either love me or hate me. But I'm terrific at impersonations and role play. Maybe I could pretend to be a girl you dislike? :dancing:

~BB~

Would it be weird if I showed up at your door? I'm very direct on the phone and have no sense of humor when hiring a lady of the evening.

Stay yourself. I like you that way. If we hung out as friends I think we would have a blast.

BigDee

09-17-2011, 10:54 PM

As a black male, I've actually hung out with Mariam on several occasions (dates) and can verify that she is not a bigot. Her ex-fiancee was black/Cuban and I believe did not want her seeing black men.

I can also confirm that she is not Persian (Iranian) as she stated she was born and raised in Iran (until adulthood) but could not speak a lick of Farsi or name one city that is in walking distance of Tehran.

She is not an efficient working girl (lazy/selfish) and will attempt to top you even if you clarify that you are not a bottom. Let her know you dont play that or tolerate shenanigans and you are paying for a service. Once you get to know her she is cool to hang out with though and will bottom with the right person.

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 10:56 PM

Well, Miriam looks like more of a sex object, does not look or sound too smart

Bella is a type of a person you have a conversation with, not hard unforgiving sex

Ready for the kicker? That's actually how I like it! I'm a total subbie. :fuckin:

I'm not the least bit surprised that most people don't understand me. I'm a paradox with legs and I'm not this way just to fuck with people; I'm like this all the time. :lol:

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 10:59 PM

Ready for the kicker? That's actually how I like it! I'm a total subbie. :fuckin:

I'm not the least bit surprised that most people don't understand me. I'm a paradox with legs and I'm not this way just to fuck with people; I'm like this all the time. :lol:

~BB~

That Beanhole only plays on the Bottom. How cute is Bella? She'll make your wiener hard and your heart pitter-patter.

OmarZ

09-17-2011, 10:59 PM

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 11:01 PM

Posts: 1

Dee's post was the best defense she has had and, at best, it was a backhanded compliment. His sounds like a best case scenario that is not common.

Welcome to the forum, Dee.:cheers:

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 11:02 PM

Posts: 1

Her true origin is a mystery

No it's not. She came from her parents. :lol:

That Beanhole only plays on the Bottom. How cute is Bella? She'll make your wiener hard and your heart pitter-patter.

I think the best way to describe me would be to say: 'fuck my mouth and shut me up.' xoxo

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 11:06 PM

I think the best way to describe me would be to say: 'fuck my mouth and shut me up.' xoxo

~BB~

I can do that do. I have plenty of power rapists on my family tree. If you're good enough, I might throw a sack over your pretty head removing you from Orange Village and claim you as my wife. It would be funny doing that to an Italian.

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 11:09 PM

I can do that do. I have plenty of power rapists on my family tree. If you're good enough, I might throw a sack over your pretty head removing you from Orange Village and claim you as my wife. It would be funny doing that to an Italian.

Charming. :lol:

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-17-2011, 11:14 PM

Charming. :lol:

~BB~

I'll wear the costume, grow my hair/beard out, and only bathe in the blood of my mortal enemies. You like me now, Bella Bellucci? Keep me as a gentleman and the furniture won't get broke.

FreddieGomez

09-17-2011, 11:48 PM

Is it just me or does it look like her titties are staring at me?

they look cross eyed

FreddieGomez

09-17-2011, 11:50 PM

i personally dont care otherwise. it's common knowledge white men make the best tricks, they're easier to hustle, that's the reason most trannies prefer them as tricks.

BellaBellucci

09-17-2011, 11:53 PM

i personally dont care otherwise. it's common knowledge white men make the best tricks, they're easier to hustle, that's the reason most trannies prefer them as tricks.

The level of racism at this forum is astounding sometimes. :yayo:

~BB~

FreddieGomez

09-17-2011, 11:56 PM

The level of racism at this forum is astounding sometimes. :yayo:

~BB~

i'm just telling it like it is, most trannies will see white men as clients but give it to black men for free because they prefer them in their personal life, there are quite a few who do this.

BellaBellucci

09-18-2011, 12:00 AM

i'm just telling it like it is, most trannies will see white men as clients but give it to black men for free because they prefer them in their personal life, there are quite a few who do this.

I'm sorry. I can see girls discriminating by class as they provide a high-cost service, but by ethnic background? That's weak.

I seem to mostly date mulatto guys. What does that say about me? :?

~BB~

BigDee

09-18-2011, 12:13 AM

I personally believe from my encounters with her and my stay in Iran that she is not Iranian nor Arabic. I spent some time in Tehran, Bandar Abbas, Busheur, and Natanz (large cities) in Iran and with her lack of knowing any Farsi/Dari or a southwest Asian accent (middle eastern) she is not Iranian (Persian). Her lack of knowledge of the region (countries locations) as a whole was very disheartening and her lack of knowledge that Arabs and Iranians don't like each other (500 year conflict) solidified my suspicion that she is not Arab or Iranian.

I highly suspect she is Hispanic even though she seems offended when you ask if she is of a Hispanic ethnicity. My guess is central or south America.

If you are a top, explain and articulate that you are and want nothing else. As I previously stated, she is not a bigot.

P.S. Let her know that she can admire herself in the mirror at a later time and that you would like to get to business.

FreddieGomez

09-18-2011, 12:19 AM

BigDee

09-18-2011, 12:20 AM

Thanks

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 12:20 AM

they look cross eyed

It would always be 3:45 if her tits were a clock.

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 12:22 AM

The level of racism at this forum is astounding sometimes. :yayo:

~BB~

As long as the same rules apply to all colors and creeds with nobody crying, I'm good. Unfortunately...

acdaddy69

09-18-2011, 12:24 AM

i personally dont care otherwise. it's common knowledge white men make the best tricks, they're easier to hustle, that's the reason most trannies prefer them as tricks.

So fucking true!!!!

OmarZ

09-18-2011, 12:24 AM

FreddieGomez

09-18-2011, 12:27 AM

By the stuff they say about her on TER, shes a shitty person all around... Nightmare experience.

But she will pay for it all... Shes gonna be 45 some day...

look at vanessa. she is 45 and miserable. i guess all tranny escorts will end up like her ultimately. selling your soul to the devil (aka escorting) will eventually come back to haunt you.

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 12:29 AM

Selling your body to me is worse than selling your soul to the devil. Might as well cut out the middleman and light some black candles.

BellaBellucci

09-18-2011, 12:34 AM

Selling your body to me is worse than selling your soul to the devil. Might as well cut out the middleman and light some black candles.

My body's not for sale, only for rent. I always thought that was a silly expression: 'sell you body.' Pfft! Wage slavery is so much more like selling your body that it's ridiculous, and it pays so much less.

~BB~

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 12:35 AM

My body's not for sale, only for rent. I always thought that was a silly expression: 'sell you body.' Pfft! Wage slavery is so much more like selling your body its ridiculous and it pays so much less.

~BB~

Makes you sound more like a slave. I like it better. Remember role-playing?

BellaBellucci

09-18-2011, 12:36 AM

Makes you sound more like a slave. I like it better. Remember role-playing?

... but you haven't paid. That makes me an actual slave. I'm pretty sure that's more illegal than escorting. :lol:

~BB~

buckjohnson

09-18-2011, 12:55 AM

Nice hilarity. What's next jokes about terri schiavo, or the holocaust, or ethnic cleasning?

onmyknees

09-18-2011, 01:05 AM

i personally dont care otherwise. it's common knowledge white men make the best tricks, they're easier to hustle, that's the reason most trannies prefer them as tricks.

LMAO...What an ignorant jackass you are....Here you are never having been outside your little corner of paradise , (some would call it a shithole)Bed Sty, having no white friends, and you feel the need to comment on things you heard to be true on the street corner. Ten years from now you'll still be clean up the messy sheets white dudes leave being in that hotel you work at.
If you don't know the reason some ( not all) black escorts don't really care to see black clients....ask them, and here's what they'll more than likely tell you....they're business women in what can sometimes be a dangerous profession, do you really think skin color matters to person selling a product or service? They're not looking for a boyfriend, just a pay day, but many don't like the thug attitude dudes like you try to run on them, and they don't like having to negotiate rates after they've made it clear what those rates are....in other words you don't like paying full price. And you're more inclined to be a problem. Don't like what I've said....? Deal with it....We're even because I don't like what you have to say about white folks either.
Do you really think dudes like me or Dino are going to get hustled? Or is it that we get our cookies off, lay the money down, politely say good bye and we're on our way. That's what it's all about.

buckjohnson

09-18-2011, 01:15 AM

LMAO...What an ignorant jackass you are....Here you are never having been outside your little corner of paradise , (some would call it a shithole)Bed Sty, having no white friends, and you feel the need to comment on things you heard to be true on the street corner. Ten years from now you'll still be clean up the messy sheets white dudes leave being in that hotel you work at.
If you don't know the reason some ( not all) black escorts don't really care to see black clients....ask them, and here's what they'll more than likely tell you....
women in what can sometimes be a dangerous profession, do you really think skin color matters to person selling a product or service? They're not looking for a boyfriend, just a pay day, but many don't like the thug attitude dudes like you try to run on them, and they don't like having to negotiate rates after they've made it clear what those rates are....in other words you don't like paying full price. And you're more inclined to be a problem. Don't like what I've said....? Deal with it....We're even because I don't like what you have to say about white folks either.
Do you really think dudes like me or Dino are going to get hustled? Or is it that we get our cookies off, lay the money down, politely say good bye and we're on our way. That's what it's all about.

Why are you here. Didnt ND DP shut you ass up from saying stupid shit?

BigDee

09-18-2011, 01:23 AM

The ignorance and immaturity from some of the posters/members is what has kept me from posting for a while and just remain a lurker.

Why don't you just ban troublemakers like other forums?

FreddieGomez

09-18-2011, 01:29 AM

LMAO...What an ignorant jackass you are....Here you are never having been outside your little corner of paradise , (some would call it a shithole)Bed Sty, having no white friends, and you feel the need to comment on things you heard to be true on the street corner. Ten years from now you'll still be clean up the messy sheets white dudes leave being in that hotel you work at.
If you don't know the reason some ( not all) black escorts don't really care to see black clients....ask them, and here's what they'll more than likely tell you....they're business women in what can sometimes be a dangerous profession, do you really think skin color matters to person selling a product or service? They're not looking for a boyfriend, just a pay day, but many don't like the thug attitude dudes like you try to run on them, and they don't like having to negotiate rates after they've made it clear what those rates are....in other words you don't like paying full price. And you're more inclined to be a problem. Don't like what I've said....? Deal with it....We're even because I don't like what you have to say about white folks either.
Do you really think dudes like me or Dino are going to get hustled? Or is it that we get our cookies off, lay the money down, politely say good bye and we're on our way. That's what it's all about.

You be such a captain save a hoe...yeah and you still have to pay while i get it for free ...your point is?

it's already been established that alot of trannies will see black dudes (like myself) for free when they aint on the clock. but when they are, they want a white dude who's gonna easily sign his check over. a brotha wont do that hence the reason for rejecting black men when they escorting.

Gerber Babe

09-18-2011, 02:01 AM

BigDee

09-18-2011, 02:29 AM

what's really funny is it looks like she is trying her best mimic Kim Kardashian's look. I guess she forgot about the part that the REAL Kim Kardashian does date Black guys (b4 her latest marriage) and was even married to a brutha once. WTF?
Kim Kardashians new husband is half black half white. Wiki him, youll see.

You can also tell by his facial feteaures

tsdvdman

09-18-2011, 03:02 AM

LMAO...What an ignorant jackass you are....Here you are never having been outside your little corner of paradise , (some would call it a shithole)Bed Sty, having no white friends, and you feel the need to comment on things you heard to be true on the street corner. Ten years from now you'll still be clean up the messy sheets white dudes leave being in that hotel you work at.
If you don't know the reason some ( not all) black escorts don't really care to see black clients....ask them, and here's what they'll more than likely tell you....they're business women in what can sometimes be a dangerous profession, do you really think skin color matters to person selling a product or service? They're not looking for a boyfriend, just a pay day, but many don't like the thug attitude dudes like you try to run on them, and they don't like having to negotiate rates after they've made it clear what those rates are....in other words you don't like paying full price. And you're more inclined to be a problem. Don't like what I've said....? Deal with it....We're even because I don't like what you have to say about white folks either.
Do you really think dudes like me or Dino are going to get hustled? Or is it that we get our cookies off, lay the money down, politely say good bye and we're on our way. That's what it's all about.
Dude..you can't put yourself in the same class as Dino..lol
You might not want to hear or admit the truth but he is right. Escorts (gg or ts) see white dudes as strictly dollar signs..in and out like a quick revolving door. half the time you don't even get a chance to wipe the cum off your dick before being pushed out the door. But when they wanna have some real fun and get fucked good etc. they hang out with black dudes and they get on their knees and suck dick and get fucked. Tht's just the way it is. Most of the time they just ask if you got some weed or bring something to drink.

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 03:21 AM

... but you haven't paid. That makes me an actual slave. I'm pretty sure that's more illegal than escorting. :lol:

~BB~

Alright, you talked me into it. I won't pay. Spread 'em, baby! Daddy's bringin' home the bacon!

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 03:24 AM

Nice hilarity. What's next jokes about terri schiavo, or the holocaust, or ethnic cleasning?

I got a temp ban at Freeones for launching a real beauty. It was worth it too.

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 03:31 AM

Do you really think dudes like me or Dino are going to get hustled? Or is it that we get our cookies off, lay the money down, politely say good bye and we're on our way. That's what it's all about.

For a hundred dollars I get to climb on a broad and put all my fluids on her or in her. Who's getting hustled now?

I was seeing a ladyboy escort who started liking me and tried to make me stop paying. I dropped her quick because I'd rather pay for sex if I'm not involved with the woman. Seeing escorts have replaced one night stands. It's way less hassle and even cheaper if you hunt down a bargain. Take it from those Hebes and never pay retail.

funkbrother

09-18-2011, 03:46 AM

Anyway back on subject. Sexual preference is not racism, everyone has a choice even if they are charging for it. Some people like blondes, some brunettes, etc.. Sure it sucks sometimes but it's the way life is. It's why we have choice

GentsPreferTS

09-18-2011, 04:39 AM

"Arabic" Miriam the "Persian"... lol, talk about nonsensical. Probably Druze (or maybe a Kurd.)

She does have a banging ass though.

BigBlackMan

09-18-2011, 04:39 AM

I hate cross eyed titties. Makes me want to punch them.

Willie Escalade

09-18-2011, 04:47 AM

I've talked to her on multiple occasions; she didn't seem like a bigot to me. Then again, I wouldn't hire her as an escort; she does nothing for me.

damn she got a phat ass, oh well, the bitch most likly had bad experiance with brothers in the past OR she just cant handle it....oh well PLENTY of other bitches like this with PHATTER asses who love that chocolate.
This.

I'd hire Foxxy or Celeste in a minute if I wasn't such a cheapo. They both are good at handling wieners with a smile and charge $300.
Two of the coolest.

why fret, it's not hard to find a hot girl who will fuck (and even better prefer) black men. Why get upset.
Especially in the Los Angeles area. Girls are everywhere, including those who only like the bruthas.

Just move on to the next one. Most of the girls know I'm no thug or ghetto or whatever; I stay clear of the ones who think I am...and don't give a fuck if they think that. Like a previous poster said, they'll be 45 eventually. :dancing:

BigBlackMan

09-18-2011, 04:51 AM

Ladies love thugs

arnie666

09-18-2011, 07:19 AM

You Black Guys are lucky she won't take your calls. That's Arabic Miriam and her TER reviews are terrible. White Men, save your money too. She's not good at her job of being a hooker.

Still,at least she hasn't been tarnished by fucking niggers. I can sleep at night knowing if I was to stick my cock up her arse no big smelly coon has been there before me.:party: No self respecting white man would knowingly fuck a girl who takes ebony.

I wouldn't give a fuck about her reviews ,I don't need her to do much apart from bend over or open her mouth.

arnie666

09-18-2011, 07:28 AM

On reflection,she looks like a mongrel racially which puts her lower on the food chain than pure blooded blacks .If a gun was put to my head and I had to marry and have children with a negress or a mongrel I would have children with the negress. As at least there is a greater chance my children will be of superior stock. And lets not even talk about her chosen profession. She should be thankful to meet a handsome black man.

russtafa

09-18-2011, 09:27 AM

some girls do some girls don't

Nivek

09-18-2011, 09:28 AM

Maybe she's Just not into black dudes, even for money.

GentsPreferTS

09-18-2011, 10:49 AM

If a gun was put to my head and I had to marry and have children with a negress or a mongrel I would have children with the negress. As at least there is a greater chance my children will be of superior stock.

You do realize TS women do not get pregnant, no?

:dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing::dancing:

RACQUEL

09-18-2011, 02:25 PM

Totally Right On Jamie!! Fab as FuckBuddy>Never as a Client!!

Silcc69

09-18-2011, 02:52 PM

Still,at least she hasn't been tarnished by fucking niggers. I can sleep at night knowing if I was to stick my cock up her arse no big smelly coon has been there before me.:party: No self respecting white man would knowingly fuck a girl who takes ebony.

I wouldn't give a fuck about her reviews ,I don't need her to do much apart from bend over or open her mouth.

GOTDAMN how can you still not be banned. So you know you girl Palin took some good ole nigger dick?

And whoops look liek Mariam did too.

http://www.shemalepornguide.com/images/black-man-sucking-her-tgirl-cock-lustily-3031.jpg

Willie Escalade

09-18-2011, 03:16 PM

http://www.shemalepornguide.com/images/black-man-sucking-her-tgirl-cock-lustily-3031.jpg
Further proof money talks and bullshit walks. She'll fuck a brotha for the right scrilla.

BigBlackMan

09-18-2011, 03:48 PM

tsdvdman

09-18-2011, 04:05 PM

Further proof money talks and bullshit walks. She'll fuck a brotha for the right scrilla.
Exaaaactly!!

doctor screw

09-18-2011, 04:12 PM

GOTDAMN how can you still not be banned. So you know you girl Palin took some good ole nigger dick?

And whoops look liek Mariam did too.

http://www.shemalepornguide.com/images/black-man-sucking-her-tgirl-cock-lustily-3031.jpg

I bet If Freddie spout this nonsense,the forum would be ablaze.This just shows you the order of things.At least you know your potential threats,which makes countering them child's play.Smart racist, don't tell people they're racist...lol

sucka4chix

09-18-2011, 04:12 PM

Why are people so fucking scared to admit they're racist??? They don't mind calling a spade a spade "but oh no I'm not racist, I just judge people by their race, but that's not racist." Damn I think I hate cowards worst than racists!!! Stop making excuses and accept who you are. Why is it easy to accept your alternative sexuality but not that you're a racist???! Fuck, everybody's a little racist--it's a continuum, just like sexuality. Hell, even the bitches who wanna fuck you just because your black are racist. Get over yourselves!! Sorry to tell you you're flawed!

tsdvdman

09-18-2011, 04:20 PM

arnie666

09-18-2011, 05:03 PM

GOTDAMN how can you still not be banned. So you know you girl Palin took some good ole nigger dick?

And whoops look liek Mariam did too.

http://www.shemalepornguide.com/images/black-man-sucking-her-tgirl-cock-lustily-3031.jpg

I already said on further study/Mariam looks like she is a mongrel racially , that means even your negress's are higher up the social order than her,so you lot are welcome to her.

Whether Palin has been with niggers or not ,it makes no difference to me, I want her as president I won't be sticking my dick in her.If I was mug enough to be Todd,if this were true I would be sticking my dick in bleach. Besides,some would say these rumours might even help her. No one can claim she is 'wascist' as easy can they.

Silcc69

09-18-2011, 05:44 PM

I already said on further study/Mariam looks like she is a mongrel racially , that means even your negress's are higher up the social order than her,so you lot are welcome to her.

Whether Palin has been with niggers or not ,it makes no difference to me, I want her as president I won't be sticking my dick in her.If I was mug enough to be Todd,if this were true I would be sticking my dick in bleach. Besides,some would say these rumours might even help her. No one can claim she is 'wascist' as easy can they.

Is this you?

http://bradley.chattablogs.com/kkk4bush-2005.06.15-21.55.26.jpg

giovanni_hotel

09-18-2011, 05:57 PM

Great mods we have on this board.

Racists and tranny lovers are welcome.
Does saying 'nigger' make your dick hard, Arnie??

And Paris should be seen and not heard. She's confirming what people said about when she first arrived on this board. She's beyond immature with the emotional IQ of a 7 year old.

Stormfront I'm sure needs a sub-forum for trannys and the guys that love them. Why don't you two winners peddle your bullshit over there and see how it flies.

loveboof

09-18-2011, 06:06 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about what arnie says giovanni, he's clearly a bit retarded.

What more proof do you need than this:

Whether Palin has been with niggers or not ,it makes no difference to me, I want her as president I won't be sticking my dick in her.

doctor screw

09-18-2011, 06:54 PM

Your a kfc eater, your not welcome in society dear.

yaj live<<<<<<reverse/inverse...lol

giovanni_hotel

09-18-2011, 07:04 PM

Your a kfc eater, your not welcome in society dear.

You wouldn't know what 'society' is if it gave you a maid's uni and told you to start serving cocktails.....dear.

You may not be stoopid, but you ARE ignorant as fuck, Paris.

KimberlyBanxxx

09-18-2011, 07:24 PM

lawd hammercy

Silcc69

09-18-2011, 07:26 PM

lawd hammercy

Girl where ya been at?

Dinand

09-18-2011, 08:14 PM

yet almost all serial killers are white...

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Ok, I am African descent, I don't use the term BLACKMAN, because I have never in my life seen a blackman and my COMPLEXION is not black, and using the word black is an European Caucasian word of status and identity which those of African descent people with Melanin never used from themselves. They used good personal names and went by their Sovereigned Nations. My own people need to stop using the word black in the first place, it's just like using the "N" word! The very word it's self means "GLOOMY, EVIL, DIRTY ETC" example, BLACK CATS ARE BAD LUCK, BLACK SUNDAY, etc. Also I have never seen a CAucasian person who is WHITE AS SNOW EITHER! The original term is Caucasian, being white is a status identity also which only came around in the 1800's! Caucasians were not known as white people, yet to those like the Natives they called them pale face, or Arabs called them "REDS" and Egyptians called them pale also and saw Caucasians as diseased people because of what "RA" the "SUN" God would do to their skin and it would blister. Your favorite tv shows use the term Caucasian and very seldomly use the term white!

So let me play devils avocate here.

The Tgirl has the right to want to deal with who she wants to deal with. We don't know why she won't do it, to say it's racist is really stupid. If I don't like chocolate chip cookies and most people do am I a hater of chocolate chip cookies? Is it racist against the cookies? LOL :dead: No, I just don't like chocolate chip cookies, the taste, the chips in it, etc. Who knows what her reason is until she tell you what exactly her reasons are. I don't and will not pay a Tgirl and I have TGirl fuck buddies that invite me to suites because they like that and love being dominant and have good jobs, though they are all African descent, I don't hate Caucasian tgirls because their are some sexy ones here. Kelly is one, Bella is another and there are a few others. There are some Asians ones that are hot.

So I wouldn't say she is racist until I know the whole story, but I ain't waiting on that either because I could care less, there are more sexier TGirls around than her and that's on her, so I could give a fuck!

Omarz has an inferior complexion racial complex! I have seen, and I am not here all the time, Omarz go off on Caucasian TGirls and he picks out certian words that he try to make it racist. I have seen it for myself and the TGirl wasn't even talking about anything racist and I am African descent. Wrong is wrong! There are a lot of CAucasian TGirls that fuck the shit outta African descent men and I even heard CAucasian TGirls and Women say they don't want whitemen at all they only want chocolate.

So if Caucasian TGirls or women don't want their own Caucasian men is that racist? or is that their preference?

Everyone has the right to their preference and what they like without being labeled as a racist.

Most don't even know what the true meaning of being a racist is. It's not hate, hate is hate, racism is on a whole different level than what western society want you to believe and a lot of racism is going on in America till this day.

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 08:19 PM

yet almost all serial killers are white...

I'm similar to Bundy in certain ways.

trish

09-18-2011, 08:24 PM

I'm told that reverse racism is THE big problem these days. :)

giovanni_hotel

09-18-2011, 08:32 PM

LOL!!

It's funny to me that Miriam is trying to capitalize off Kim Kardashian's shine by getting her face to look like hers, sculpting her bod to look like a brick house, then she says she won't see brothas.

She seems conflicted.

Teydyn

09-18-2011, 08:34 PM

So if Caucasian TGirls or women don't want their own Caucasian men is that racist? or is that their preference?
When they dont want white man its preference, when they dont want black man its racism...

Of course its the same, but there are some people here who talk like that.

"You dont like me. I think because i am black. You are a racist."

Dinand

09-18-2011, 08:34 PM

Ted Bundy stole the "we all go a little mad sometimes" line from Norman Bates...
Btw, all these so no-black chicks are bullshit because it's all about the money, just look at all the black celebs with a white golddigger next to them.

Teydyn

09-18-2011, 08:37 PM

It's funny to me that Miriam is trying to capitalize off Kim Kardashian's shine by getting her face to look like hers, sculpting her bod to look like a brick house, then she says she won't see brothas.
I am sure she did all the operations, including becoming a TS only for YOU and not herself...

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 08:47 PM

When they dont want white man its preference, when they dont want black man its racism...."

Hold up, you mean she don't have the right to say specifically who and what she doesn't like? We are talking about FUCKIN/SEX here, not a social work place.

If she doesn't want a African descent man that's on her! You don't know if it's racism until she tells you in detail what makes her think that. All she said was "NO BLACK GUYS", that's it. So are you trying to tell me we should force her to WANT SO CALLED BLACK GUYS IN HER BED?

My own people need to stop yelling racism every dam time some thing goes wrong.

Do you even know what true racism is? Please tell me I want to hear the correct definition! Thanks. I am absolutely sure what she said is not racism!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 08:51 PM

With me it's not about complexion it's all about how much you look like a woman, how dominant you are and how freaky yo ass is! If you're Caucasian, African descent, Asian, Hispanic TGirl WE FUCKING AND WE FUCKING REAL HARD! I have this 6'2 sexy Hispanic TGirl she loves my ass to death. I cooked for her and my cooking was so good she just loves when I come over and chill. Some times we don't fuck we go out and hang and just chill, but she is nastier than a motha fucka in the bedroom, but she is kind and she loves the hell outta me and she even calls me up and say "PAPA COME OVER I HAVE SOME FOOD I COOKED ESPECIALLY FOR YOU' and I would go over and eat and some times leave without fucking her! But when we fuck IT'S OFF THE MOTHA FUCKING CHAIN! So I don't care all about that, smell good, look great and we fucking!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 08:53 PM

It's funny than a motha fucka, if this same TGirl told African descent men "LETS FUCK" I bet these motha fuckas wouldn't miss the opportunity they would be all up in that ass lol :dead: lol

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 08:55 PM

Just like this TGirl I would eat her asshole and suck her cock she fine as a motha fucka!

http://img1.imagehousing.com/63/af242ff251ff54722f64e3d3d435f8e7.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854108)

Would I pass up this Caucasian beauty? Hell no I would suck her cock and her tits she is a beauty queen!

http://img1.imagehousing.com/18/1de3d28909bd7ececba6d4f149562a27.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854109)

giovanni_hotel

09-18-2011, 08:58 PM

I am sure she did all the operations, including becoming a TS only for YOU and not herself...

Who said anything about her becoming a TS?? Don't be a dumbass.
It's her criteria for seeing clients as an escort that I'm talking about.

Her look is going to attract BM. If you don't want to see Black clients, why try to look so hard like Kim K??:yayo:

sucka4chix

09-18-2011, 09:22 PM

sucka4chix

09-18-2011, 09:26 PM

And what the hell does fucking have to do with racism?? Massuh fucked plenty black bitches, he must not be racist. Strom Thurmond wasn't racist either

doctor screw

09-18-2011, 09:30 PM

I like how a crazy racist posted a array of fuckery(using the N word),and the apologists don't say a word about that,huh....lol.They seem to not want to see the world for what it is......don't be afraid of confrontation.

sucka4chix

09-18-2011, 09:33 PM

Oh but I bet if someone doesn't like trannies, he's a homophobe, as if there's something he should be irrationally afraid of, but if you don't like blacks it's just your preference??!!! You can't have it both ways. Gee people who cry for open-mindedness can be quite close-minded!!

loveboof

09-18-2011, 09:37 PM

Ok, I am African descent, I don't use the term BLACKMAN, because I have never in my life seen a blackman and my COMPLEXION is not black, and using the word black is an European Caucasian word of status and identity which those of African descent people with Melanin never used from themselves. They used good personal names and went by their Sovereigned Nations. My own people need to stop using the word black in the first place, it's just like using the "N" word! The very word it's self means "GLOOMY, EVIL, DIRTY ETC" example, BLACK CATS ARE BAD LUCK, BLACK SUNDAY, etc. Also I have never seen a CAucasian person who is WHITE AS SNOW EITHER!

If I don't like chocolate chip cookies [...] Is it racist against the cookies?

I don't agree mate.

For starters, all humans are 'of African decent'. That is partly why racism is so ignorant.

But as for the terms - White/Black, they don't mean anything on their own. It's not racist to call someone black. We assign the meaning, and so you'd have to look at the context and intentions behind the words.

(As for cookie racism - lol. Bad example)

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 09:39 PM

Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

Ok, we'll start with this. This is called a definition. Now when you idiots argue point to how this does or does not apply!
I knew not to look at this thread because it's always the same bullshit. Girl is racist but peoples PC factor won't let them call anyone that. Black or white, some of you are so ignorant--- you can't compare black people with chocolate chip cookies. Why? Because, BROTHER, you are making the same assumption the girl is, that there is something inherent in ALL black people that she knows she won't like. If you said cookies in general, maybe. Black people more than any other people here in America run the whole spectrum, because Mr Charlie calls you black if you got black blood in you.
I tire of this preference bullshit. That has nothing to do with it. So that's her only preference? She likes fat, smelly guys, midgets, lepers, as long as they're not black--- that's what you're saying because that's the only ones she made a point to write about! That's a helluva statement.
Trust me, your argument is more logical, but no less racist if you claim she just knows 9 out of 10 black guys ain't shit, like the racists pointed out!

Glad you put that up.
Again first of all OUR PEOPLE NEED TO STOP CALLING THEMSELVES BLACK THIS AND BLACK THAT! I already gave the definition and if you can show me one black person that looks like my black timberland boots then I will side with you. The darkest person on the planet is not even black, and who named us black? I can definitely say it wasn't US! So just kill that crap!

Now the definition the true definition of racism, your definition is partically right!

Racism: Noun 1655-1889
1. A Sovereign nation or a people that politically, economically, socially, and educationally DEPRIVE another race of the various four functions.

Proof, Slavery! A slave could not vote: POLITICAL!
A slave couldn't learn to read this was a law: Education
A slave didn't make money they worked for FREE! Economics
A slave was controlled by the slave owner and was made to
less than a human and was not allowed to deal with others
on a social level: SOCIAL!

European Caucasians used those four acts to control the slave, I can go into it even deeper but don't need to. Look up Code Noir and you will see exactly what I am talking about. The definition you gave is a facade! What I gave is a more in depth racist attitude and how it really functions on those four principles and if you say I am wrong Prove it!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 09:46 PM

I don't agree mate.

For starters, all humans are 'of African decent'. That is partly why racism is so ignorant.

But as for the terms - White/Black, they don't mean anything on their own. It's not racist to call someone black. We assign the meaning, and so you'd have to look at the context and intentions behind the words.

(As for cookie racism - lol. Bad example)

For one with the cookie statement it was kind of a joke that's why I LOL <---------.

Now when you say "We assign the meaning" WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ASSIGNED THIS MEANING? It wasn't the African descent people!

Now being you said we are all African descent, taken as a grain of salt with that one, because if that was true, why do Caucasians treat African descent people so wrong? Especially coming from a Caucasian Mason!

Hence the word Caucasian :ian: the suffix means BELONG TO, meaning Caucasians come from or belong to the Caucas mountains in Russia in Europe not Africa! Because if you are African descent as you say you are then there wouldn't be the need for Caucasian right? So you have to explain with logic and the original absolute truth and academic, critically analzyed explaination to how if you're Caucasian how you ended up in the Caucus mountains! Mirgrated out of the Caucus mountains into Egypt which was really called Kemet! Be very very careful and tread lightly on how you answer because I am very very very very knowledgeable on this subject!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 09:50 PM

The Mere fact that the TGirl chick has the right to like who she likes, why does it have to be racist?
I can see if she said "I WANT ALL WHITE GUYS AND NO NIGGERS" then it will be a serious problem!

If I said I want to screw a Caucasian TGirl does that make me racist? I gotta here this shit, lets skip the dam chocolate chip shit lets get into some real lingo here!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 09:54 PM

You know what I do when I see TGirls that say that? I MOVE THE FUCK ON AND SAY FUCK THEM! I ain't going to make a whole got dam thread about them they aint worth it!

Question if there was a CAucasian, African descent and a Hispanic having a 4 sum with a guy and they all fucked him in the ass and each one said "BOUNCE THAT BLACK ASS NIGGA" who would be the racist? :dead: lol hahahahah I gotta hear this one.

Teydyn

09-18-2011, 10:00 PM

Don't be a dumbass
...
Her look is going to attract BM. If you don't want to see Black clients, why try to look so hard like Kim K??:yayo:
Now who is the dumbass?
She doesnt look the way she does to attract black men, but because she wants to look that way?

RainMan

09-18-2011, 10:00 PM

As a African American/black man I'd rather be seen as a man first than a race, but also people have to realize the difference between, racism, prejudice, and bigotry

doctor screw

09-18-2011, 10:01 PM

If she dislikes black men because of physical features,that's a preference.If it's based upon preconceived notions about black men its racist.... prejudiced at best.What I can't wrap my mind around,is how you ignored the comments by mister white supremacy.....lol

RainMan

09-18-2011, 10:03 PM

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 10:27 PM

As a African American/black man I'd rather be seen as a man first than a race, but also people have to realize the difference between, racism, prejudice, and bigotry

:iagree: Concur totally. Some glump all 3 up into one when they are totally different. Some people just love doing that shit to sound good. You are right!

loveboof

09-18-2011, 10:28 PM

For one with the cookie statement it was kind of a joke that's why I LOL <---------.

Now when you say "We assign the meaning" WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ASSIGNED THIS MEANING? It wasn't the African descent people!

Now being you said we are all African descent, taken as a grain of salt with that one, because if that was true, why do Caucasians treat African descent people so wrong? Especially coming from a Caucasian Mason!

Hence the word Caucasian :ian: the suffix means BELONG TO, meaning Caucasians come from or belong to the Caucas mountains in Russia in Europe not Africa! Because if you are African descent as you say you are then there wouldn't be the need for Caucasian right? So you have to explain with logic and the original absolute truth and academic, critically analzyed explaination to how if you're Caucasian how you ended up in the Caucus mountains! Mirgrated out of the Caucus mountains into Egypt which was really called Kemet! Be very very careful and tread lightly on how you answer because I am very very very very knowledgeable on this subject!

(I know you were joking with the cookies)

Homo Sapiens - which is the name for our species (ie Mankind, humanity, people, etc) evolved out of Africa.

Whether black or white, we all have the same ancestors!

There is no 'grain of salt' about where our species evolved. We are all 'of African decent'. As to why black people have been treated so wrongly, as I said that is due to ignorance. Education is the solution.

The meaning assigned to words is not simply a matter of who said what and when. It is a constantly evolving medium of communication.

When I said 'we' assign the meaning to our words, I mean exactly that.

The etymology of language is fascinating, but ultimately irrelevant. Words mean what we make them mean.

With this in mind, if I call a man 'black' - I am not necessarily being racist. To determine if I am racially prejudiced there are other factors that need considering. The word itself is not enough.

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 10:52 PM

(I know you were joking with the cookies)

Homo Sapiens - which is the name for our species (ie Mankind, humanity, people, etc) evolved out of Africa.

Whether black or white, we all have the same ancestors!

There is no 'grain of salt' about where our species evolved. We are all 'of African decent'. As to why black people have been treated so wrongly, as I said that is due to ignorance. Education is the solution.

The meaning assigned to words is not simply a matter of who said what and when. It is a constantly evolving medium of communication.

When I said 'we' assign the meaning to our words, I mean exactly that.

The etymology of language is fascinating, but ultimately irrelevant. Words mean what we make them mean.

With this in mind, if I call a man 'black' - I am not necessarily being racist. To determine if I am racially prejudiced there are other factors that need considering. The word itself is not enough.

Now being you said that about the Homo Sapien, now if ALL of man evolved out of Africa, Caucasians included, when they first came on the scene in Africa to Egypt/Kemet with Herodotus why was it strange to them?

I use to live some where 20 years ago, moved and if I was to try and go back there while it is occupied can I still live there? can I still go there and take over as though when I once had it?

When you said "'we' assign the meaning to our words" I am not talking about words I am talking about the word "BLACK" to indentify African people. When slaves came from Africa they were called African slaves they were not called black or coloured, or negro or nigger etc until the usage of the European Caucasaian slave owner pronounced and put those labels on us. African meansing are totally different from European meanings. That's why it's so hard to translate words from those African languages into the bastard language English or the Queen's English. African's never called themselves black, this would be an oxymoron, because when CAucasians didn't exist in Africa what would they say? Oh I am blacker than the next African? Makes no sense.

Again I don't use the term black to describe myself, just like a very dark Dominican won't call themselves black, I understand this language is used as an art, the court system language is proof of that. So if a Dominican and I are the same dark complexion and he isn't black why would I call myself that? If a CAucasian person try and call me that I will correct them with the dam quickness! Caucasians made up the terms black, just like they made up the Term Africa, which is Greek meaning Land to the South which the original term lastly noted by the Kushites and Moors is Alkebulan! Ethiopia is not the name originally named for that place it's Kush! Egypt again named by Caucasians, the original name is Kemet, so again WHO IS NAMING my people? We didn't do it, all we did is take the name and keep them out of ignorance!

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 11:02 PM

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:18 PM

LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ENJOYING CHOCOLATE COCKS LIKE A MOTHA FUCKA LOL

http://img1.imagehousing.com/16/be8ae6a633aa9e64d68b6555ea22f2a1.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854179)

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:23 PM

Russia is a weird place too with all the historical invasions and battles. I was always told we were products of Viking raping and pillaging but The Khans never got into our specific gene pool. Many Cossacks with fire red beards and wild eyes on my family tree. I was a 10 lb Ginger Baby myself.

dAM i DIDN't want to even go there lol but you did.

Vikings, Vlad, Greeks, Romans, etc were barbaric can't even really describe how they were! Taking young boys and raping their bodies, little girls, splitting open pregnant women just to watch the fetus splash out their bellies I can go on but I don't want to because this isn't really the place for it, but weird aint the same, Woody Allen is weird, those dam Vikings and impailing people and so forth I don't think their is a definition to describe it you would have to see it !

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:24 PM

My thing is if a Caucasian TGirl say she don't like so called black men just keep it moving, because their are a lot that do and they adore the dark body and would love to see their Ivory cocks slide in and out a dark azz!

loveboof

09-18-2011, 11:28 PM

Now being you said that about the Homo Sapien, now if ALL of man evolved out of Africa, Caucasians included, when they first came on the scene in Africa to Egypt/Kemet with Herodotus why was it strange to them?

I use to live some where 20 years ago, moved and if I was to try and go back there while it is occupied can I still live there? can I still go there and take over as though when I once had it?

When you said "'we' assign the meaning to our words" I am not talking about words I am talking about the word "BLACK" to indentify African people. When slaves came from Africa they were called African slaves they were not called black or coloured, or negro or nigger etc until the usage of the European Caucasaian slave owner pronounced and put those labels on us. African meansing are totally different from European meanings. That's why it's so hard to translate words from those African languages into the bastard language English or the Queen's English. African's never called themselves black, this would be an oxymoron, because when CAucasians didn't exist in Africa what would they say? Oh I am blacker than the next African? Makes no sense.

Again I don't use the term black to describe myself, just like a very dark Dominican won't call themselves black, I understand this language is used as an art, the court system language is proof of that. So if a Dominican and I are the same dark complexion and he isn't black why would I call myself that? If a CAucasian person try and call me that I will correct them with the dam quickness! Caucasians made up the terms black, just like they made up the Term Africa, which is Greek meaning Land to the South which the original term lastly noted by the Kushites and Moors is Alkebulan! Ethiopia is not the name originally named for that place it's Kush! Egypt again named by Caucasians, the original name is Kemet, so again WHO IS NAMING my people? We didn't do it, all we did is take the name and keep them out of ignorance!
Omg dude. Use your brain! I appreciate that you feel passionately about this subject, but just think about what I'm saying for a second.

I'm talking about the birth of our species, and you're responding with questions about Egypt a few thousand years ago?!

As you have such an interest in this subject, I think you owe it to yourself to learn a little bit about the biological anthropology and paleoanthropology of our species. You discredit your whole argument with 'ifs' and 'buts' in regard to our evolution.

And you're totally right to refer to English as a bastard language. The reason for this is because it is ever evolving and adapting to our current usage and meaning. It is an amalgamation of many different languages and cultures, and continues to change as we live and speak it.

You're obsessing over a lot of completely irrelevant information.

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:32 PM

http://www.xhamster.com/movies/197298/white_wife_fucks_black_man.html

Good vid for yall lol hahahah

Dino Velvet

09-18-2011, 11:33 PM

dAM i DIDN't want to even go there lol but you did.

Vikings, Vlad, Greeks, Romans, etc were barbaric can't even really describe how they were! Taking young boys and raping their bodies, little girls, splitting open pregnant women just to watch the fetus splash out their bellies I can go on but I don't want to because this isn't really the place for it, but weird aint the same, Woody Allen is weird, those dam Vikings and impailing people and so forth I don't think their is a definition to describe it you would have to see it !

You can go there. It's perfectly fine. I wish we could talk more honestly on matters as this. I don't really like The Cossacks in my family but I would bore you all to death if I told stories about The Dutch on my mom's side. Sominex, anyone?

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:41 PM

Omg dude. Use your brain! I appreciate that you feel passionately about this subject, but just think about what I'm saying for a second.

I'm talking about the birth of our species, and you're responding with questions about Egypt a few thousand years ago?!

As you have such an interest in this subject, I think you owe it to yourself to learn a little bit about the biological anthropology and paleoanthropology of our species. You discredit your whole argument with 'ifs' and 'buts' in regard to our evolution.

And you're totally right to refer to English as a bastard language. The reason for this is because it is ever evolving and adapting to our current usage and meaning. It is an amalgamation of many different languages and cultures, and continues to change as we live and speak it.

You're obsessing over a lot of completely irrelevant information.

Oh so "use your brain" is that racist? Because I am African descent? HMmmmmmmmmmm

Dude! I have knowledge, the reason whey I mentioned Kemet/Egypt is because EUROPEANS HAVE NO HISTORY PRIOR TO EGYPT! The father of European history is Herodotus, if you can show me knowledge from The Caucus mountains and great monuments from there and spirituality then I will shut up. This is when Caucasians came on the scene and learned everything from Africans! So I know Anthro and Paleo all that good stuff with carbon dating etc, along with epigraphic evidence. So that's why I mentioned Egypt, Europe have no dedicated documentation prior Egypt and Herodotus said this. Who was a Greek Caucasian! So maybe you need to learn history and again Egypt is a misnomer the proper word is Kemet, or Tamerry or Sais, or Mizra'in! Before that was Kush!

So European civilizations was only basically A FEW THOUSAND YEARS AGO! and I am glad you said that because Africa is millions of years ago, they were smelting iron in Swaziland 50,000 years ago and where were the European Caucasians? NO WHERE ON THE SCENE THIS IS FACT IT'S NOT IF OR BUTS!

jamesedwards

09-18-2011, 11:47 PM

You can go there. It's perfectly fine. I wish we could talk more honestly on matters as this. I don't really like The Cossacks in my family but I would bore you all to death if I told stories about The Dutch on my mom's side. Sominex, anyone?

I feel you on that, I can talk openly about it without feeling ashamed or inferior to someone's thoughts. But I understand you though, the Dutch? lol that's another history whew! lol I'll let you tell it if you would.

Nicole Dupre

09-18-2011, 11:48 PM

*smdh Take that beige dildo out of your pants, and free that little black "willy", big brain. I don't believe for a nanosecond that's how big you are.

the sweet - little willy HQ (with lyrics) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmbEuRzlhIs) lol

And just what the fuck is a "inferior complexion racial complex"? Do you go out of your way to look retarded, or are you writing these posts from the special ed computer on Rykers? lol

Nice swishy font btw, fruity shorts. lol

__________________________________________________ ________________

Anyway, to the person who asked me on Facebook if I think James wrote this review? Duh-uh? lol Totally. Obviously. C'mon. He always inserts that "first of all" bullshit in every other post, and his motivations are as transparent as James Edwards' BVDs

And, James, I need no sockpuppets here, so shove your paranoid bullshit up your fat Wonderbread-shitting ass. The only person pissing on your grandparents' graves here is YOU, you Fred Flintstone lookin' attention whore. The girl who sent me the pic did't post it. I didn't post it. YOU posted it. Is your windpipe clogged with a Big Mac? No oxygen getting to that pea-brain? No one needs to make you look stupid, Hoss Cartwright. Altho' the Wicker Man certainly takes a decent stab at it. lol But you OWN the fucking role. lol Back off, WM. He's "large and in charge". LMAO
__________________________________________________ ____________________

That is all. Get back to your ghetto vs white trash cyber race war, and your 'wig on your football' crossdresser porn, you sad faggots.

As you were, homos.

loveboof

09-18-2011, 11:54 PM

Oh so "use your brain" is that racist? Because I am African descent? HMmmmmmmmmmm

Dude! I have knowledge, the reason whey I mentioned Kemet/Egypt is because EUROPEANS HAVE NO HISTORY PRIOR TO EGYPT! The father of European history is Herodotus, if you can show me knowledge from The Caucus mountains and great monuments from there and spirituality then I will shut up. This is when Caucasians came on the scene and learned everything from Africans! So I know Anthro and Paleo all that good stuff with carbon dating etc, along with epigraphic evidence. So that's why I mentioned Egypt, Europe have no dedicated documentation prior Egypt and Herodotus said this. Who was a Greek Caucasian! So maybe you need to learn history and again Egypt is a misnomer the proper word is Kemet, or Tamerry or Sais, or Mizra'in! Before that was Kush!

So European civilizations was only basically A FEW THOUSAND YEARS AGO! and I am glad you said that because Africa is millions of years ago, they were smelting iron in Swaziland 50,000 years ago and where were the European Caucasians? NO WHERE ON THE SCENE THIS IS FACT IT'S NOT IF OR BUTS!

lol. No, telling you to 'use your brain' is not racist at all. The fact you're 'of African decent' is irrelevant to the fact that you're clearly either pretty stupid or just brain washed.

You're telling me that there were no people in Europe prior to the ancient Greek historian Heredotus? Did Greece just spring up the moment he stepped foot in it? Thats seems fairly implausible doesn't it?

But not quite as implausible as the notion that people were smelting iron 50,000 years ago. LOL!

Absolute nonsense. You're talking bullshit mate.

And why don't you visit Egypt and ask them what they want their country to be called. And for that matter, have you even been to Africa? It's weird that they're 'your' people but you choose to live in NYC...

Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 12:05 AM

natina

09-19-2011, 12:09 AM

On White Pride and Other Delusions:

Reflections on the Rage of the Uninformed

By Tim Wise

May 23, 2007

"The price the white American paid for his ticket was to become white...This incredibly limited, not to say dimwitted ambition has choked many a human being to death here: and this, I contend, is because the white American has never accepted the real reasons for his journey. I know very well that my ancestors had no desire to come to this place: but neither did the ancestors of the people who became white and who require of my captivity a song. They require of me a song less to celebrate my captivity than to justify their own."

James Baldwin, "The Price of the Ticket," 1985

It seems like every week I get an e-mail from someone demanding to know why there's no White History Month, or White Entertainment Television, or why whites aren't allowed to have organizations to defend "our" interests, the way people of color are, without being thought of as racists. One of these internet missives, which has been making the rounds lately on MySpace and other popular networking sites, implies that whites are somehow oppressed because we can't get away with calling people of color any number of racial slurs (a litany of which the author then proceeds to recite, almost gleefully), while persons of color presumably call us names like "cracker," "honky," or "hillbilly" all the time.

The e-mail goes on to express anger over, among other things, Martin Luther King Jr. day, and Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Remembrance day in Israel), as if these were holidays that discriminated against whites. It then laments that white pride is seen as racist, but for people of color to feel and show pride in their group is seen as normal, natural, and even healthy.

The Reverse Racism Ruse (Or How to Ignore Power, History and Logic)

That so many people find this kind of argumentation persuasive would be humorous were it not so dangerous, and so indicative of the way in which our nation has yet to come to grips with its racist history. Had we honestly confronted racism as an issue, past and present, it is unlikely that such positions would make sense to anyone. After all, every month has been white history month, even if they weren't called that. White history has been made the normative history, the default position, and when your narrative is taken as the norm--indeed, when it gets to be viewed as synonymous with American history--the need to racially designate its origins is obviously a less pressing concern. White folks' contributions have never been ignored, diminished or overlooked. As such, to now demand special time to teach about the people we've already learned about from the start seems a bit preposterous.

As for racial slurs, while it is certainly fair to point out that their use is always inappropriate, no matter whom they're directed against, to think that a term like hillbilly is truly equivalent to those used against people of color, like "nigger," "spic," "raghead," or "chink," requires one to exhibit a profound ignorance of history. These and other slurs against people of color not only sound more hateful, they have operated in a more hateful manner, by forming the linguistic cornerstone of systematic oppression and institutionalized racial supremacy. Hundreds of thousands were enslaved and millions have died at the hands of those who thought of their victims as "niggers," "spics," "ragheads" and "chinks," and used those terms as they went about their murderous ways. American history, in its historic treatment of persons of color has been an inter-generational hate crime, which didn't begin to end, even in theory, until the 1960s. On the other hand, anti-white terms are typically the end of the line when it comes to anti-white racism. People of color control no institutions that are capable of discriminating systematically against whites. They cannot keep whites from having jobs, or getting a loan. Nor can black cops get away with racially profiling whites, even when whites actually do lead the pack in one or another form of criminal behavior (serial killing, corporate fraud, or drunk driving, for example). So no, the terms are not the same, even as all are inappropriate and offensive.

And the idea that whites working for white empowerment or "white rights" is no different than people of color working for the empowerment of their group (through such mechanisms as the NAACP, or the Congressional Black Caucus, for instance), also makes sense, only if one takes a fundamentally dishonest glimpse at the nation's past.

After all, groups representing persons of color were created to address the unique disempowerment experienced by those groups' members. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Native Americans have been systematically denied opportunities in the U.S. solely because of their group membership. Their "race" was the basis for housing discrimination, restrictions on educational opportunities, exclusion from jobs, and other forms of mistreatment. Whites have never been the targets of institutional oppression in the U.S., as whites, such that organizing as whites would have made sense. Sure, whites have been marginalized on the basis of ethnicity--the Irish, for example, or Italians, or Jews--and have long organized around ethnicity as a support system, for job networking, educational benefits, or other purposes. But as whites, persons of European descent have been the dominant group. So to organize on that basis, would be to come together for the purpose of providing collective support for one's existing domination and hegemony. It would be like corporate management forming a union to protect its interests from workers; or like the upper-caste in India, forming a Brahmin support group to protect itself from the Dalits, at the other end of the caste spectrum. Such a contingency would be redundant in the extreme.

To have a White Student Union, especially at a college where whites were in the clear majority, would be absurd, for this reason. To have a Congressional White Caucus, given the way in which white elites dominate the government would be even worse. To have a White Entertainment Television would ignore that whites already predominate on most all existing networks, and that shows pegged to people of color are few and far between, and usually limited to a handful of smaller networks and cable outlets.

Though many argue that affirmative action has made whites the victims of massive "reverse discrimination," and thus necessitated the rise of a white rights movement to secure white collective interests, the evidence simply doesn't support such a view. Although individual whites have likely experienced instances of discrimination--and anecdotal data suggests this is true, though far, far less often than the occasions when people of color experience it--there is nothing to indicate that such incidents are a widespread social phenomenon, against which whites now require organizations to protect them.

So, for instance, whites hold over ninety percent of all the management level jobs in this country (1), receive about ninety-four percent of government contract dollars (2), and hold ninety percent of tenured faculty positions on college campuses (3). Contrary to popular belief, and in spite of affirmative action programs, whites are more likely than members of any other racial group to be admitted to their college of first choice (4). Furthermore, white men with only a high school diploma are more likely to have a job than black and Latino men with college degrees (5), and even when they have a criminal record, white men are more likely than black men without one to receive a call back for a job interview, even when all their credentials are the same (6). Despite comparable rates of school rule infractions, white students are only half to one-third as likely as blacks and Latino youth to be suspended or expelled (7); and despite higher rates of drug use, white youth are far less likely to be arrested, prosecuted or incarcerated for a drug offense than are youth of color (8).

So when it comes to jobs, education, housing, contracting, or anything else, people of color are the ones facing discrimination and restricted opportunities, while whites remain on top, making the idea of organizing for our collective interests little more than piling dominance on top of dominance. Not to ensure a place at the table, so to speak, but to secure the table itself, and to control who gets to be seated around it, for now and always.

It is for this reason that white pride is more objectionable than "black pride," or "Latino pride." In the case of the latter two, those exhibiting pride are not doing so as a celebration of their presumed superiority, nor dominance over others. If anything, they are celebrating the perseverance of their people against great obstacles, such as those placed in their way by discrimination, conquest and enslavement. In the case of white pride, whites as whites have not overcome obstacles in the same fashion, because we have always been the dominant group. Although Irish pride or Italian pride makes sense given the way in which persons of those ethnicities have faced real oppression in the past (and even today, in the case of Italians, who sometimes face negative stereotypes), white pride, given the historic meaning of whiteness, can mean little but pride in presumed superiority.

White Bonding as a Dangerous Distraction

But especially ironic is that by seeking to bond on the basis of whiteness, those pushing the concept end up ignoring the way in which white identity has actually harmed persons of European descent, by causing most of us to ignore our real interests, all for the sake of phony racial bonding. To understand why this is so, it might help to have some historical perspective on how the notion of whiteness came into being in the first place, and for what purpose.

Contrary to popular belief, the white race is a quite modern creation, which only emerged as a term and concept to describe Europeans in the late 1600s and after, specifically in the colonies of what would become the United States. Prior to that time, "whites" had been a collection of Europeans with little in common, and often long histories of conflict, bloodshed and conquest of one another's lands and peoples. The English, for example, did not consider themselves to be of the same group as the Irish, Germans, Italians, or French. While most Europeans by that time may have thought of themselves as Christians, there is no evidence that they conceived of themselves as a race of people, with a common heritage or destiny.

But the notion of the white race found traction in the North American colonies, not because it described a clear scientific concept, or some true historical bond between persons of European descent, but rather, because the elites of the colonies (who were small in number but controlled the vast majority of colonial wealth) needed a way to secure their power. At the time, the wealthy landowners feared rebellions, in which poor European peasants might join with African slaves to overthrow aristocratic governance; after all, these poor Europeans were barely above the level of slaves themselves, especially if they worked as indentured servants (9).

In 1676, for example, Bacon's Rebellion prompted a new round of colonial laws to extend rights and privileges to despised poor Europeans, so as to divide them from those slaves with whom they had much in common, economically speaking. By allowing the lowest of Europeans to be placed legally above all Africans, and by encouraging (or even requiring) them to serve on slave patrols, the elite gave poor "whites" a stake in the system that had harmed them. Giving poor Europeans the right to own land, ending indentured servitude in the early 1700s, and in some cases allowing them to vote, were all measures implemented so as to convince lower-caste Europeans that their interests were closer to those of the rich than to those of blacks. It was within this context that the term "white" to describe Europeans en masse was born, as an umbrella term to capture the new pan-Euro unity needed to defend the system of African slavery and Indian genocide going on in the Americas (10). And the trick worked marvelously, dampening down the push for rebellion by poor whites on the basis of class interest, and encouraging them to cast their lot with the elite, if only in aspirational terms.

This divide-and-conquer tactic would be extended and refined in future generations as well. Indeed, the very first law passed by the newly established Congress of the United States was the Naturalization Act of 1790, which extended citizenship to all "free white persons," and only free white persons, including newly arrived immigrants, so long as the latter would make their homes in the U.S. for a year. Despite longstanding animosities between persons of European descent, all blood feuds were put aside for the purpose of extending pan-Euro or white hegemony over the United States (11).

During the Civil War, the process of using "whiteness" to further divide working people from one another continued. So, for example, Southern elites made it quite clear that their reason for secession from the Union was the desire to maintain and extend the institution of slavery and white supremacy, which institutions they felt were threatened by the rise of Lincoln and the Republican Party. One might think that seceding and going to war to defend slavery would hardly meet with the approval of poor white folks, who didn't own slaves. After all, if slaves can be made to work for free, any working class white person who must charge for their labor will be undercut by slave labor, and find it harder to make ends meet. Yet by convincing poor whites that their interests were racial, rather than economic, and that whites in the South had to band together to defend "their way of life," the elites in the South conned these same lower-caste Europeans into joining a destructive war effort that cost hundreds of thousands of lives (12): their lives, in fact.

Then during the growth of the labor union movement, white union workers barred blacks from apprenticeship programs and unions because of racism, encouraged in this by owners and bosses who would use workers of color to break white labor strikes for better wages and working conditions. By bringing in blacks and others of color to break strikes, bosses counted on white workers turning on those replacing them, rather than turning on the bosses themselves. And indeed, this is what happened time and again, further elevating whiteness above class interest in the minds of European Americans (13).

The effectiveness of racist propaganda to unite whites around race, even if it meant overlooking economic interests was stunning. Nowhere was this phenomena better summed up than in the words of one white Texas fireman, who responded to the suggestion that the ranks of railroaders should be opened up to blacks by saying, "We would rather be absolute slaves of capital than to take the Negro into our lodges as an equal and brother (14)."

White Bonding and the Continued Conning of the Working Class

Today, whiteness continues to serve as a distraction to working class persons of European descent. So in the debate over immigration, it is often claimed that immigrants of color are driving down the wages of white workers, and that sealing the border is necessary to secure jobs and decent incomes for the working class. But such an argument presumes that the only thing keeping employers from giving white workers a raise (or black workers for that matter) is the presence of easily exploited foreign labor. As if closing the border would suddenly convince them to open up their wallets and give working people a better deal. In truth, however, were companies unable to exploit immigrant labor, they would simply move their entire operations to Mexico, or elsewhere, to take advantage of low-wage labor or non-existent regulations on their activities. And if they were the kind of companies that couldn't move their operations abroad (such as construction firms, for example), they would likely shift to more contingent, part-time and temp labor, which would mean that whoever ended up with those jobs would still have little or no benefits, and insecure wages. This is hardly the recipe for real improvement in the conditions of working people.

White workers would be far better off joining up with workers of color, including the undocumented, to push for higher wages and better working conditions; and they would surely be better off if those coming from Mexico were made legal and organized into unions. But thinking as whites has made this kind of cross-racial solidarity virtually unthinkable. Instead of focusing on the trade agreements that allow companies to move wherever they can get the best return on investment--agreements which have, even by the government's admission resulted in the loss of hundreds of thousands of good-paying jobs--white workers are encouraged, by racism and white bonding to focus their ire on the workers themselves. After all, the workers are brown, while the owners are almost all white, which is to say that the latter are the ones with whom the white working class has been convinced to identify.

For an especially painful example of how destructive white racial thinking can be, consider St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, next door to New Orleans. In the aftermath of Katrina, St. Bernard was among the hardest hit communities. Next to the ninety-four percent black Lower 9th Ward, in New Orleans, ninety-four percent white St. Bernard was probably the most devastated part of the region. Though racially different, the communities are both predominantly working class and populated by families with moderate income; and when the federal government, via the Corps of Engineers failed to ensure the proper construction of the levees, or when the local levee board diverted levee repair funds to build interstate off-ramps for the area's casinos, both the Lower 9 and St. Bernard saw their communities utterly destroyed.

But despite the common interests of the two community's residents, if you had asked most any white person in St. Bernard about the folks who lived in the Lower 9th, prior to the storm (or for that matter today), you would have been treated (or still would be) to an uninterrupted string of racist invective. To whites in "da parish" as it's known, blacks from New Orleans are the source of all the region's problems. This is why, in 1991, more than seven in ten whites from St. Bernard voted for neo-Nazi, David Duke when he ran for Governor of Louisiana. This is why the very first thing that Parish government did upon returning home after the storm, and starting to rebuild, was to pass a blood relative law for renters: in other words, you couldn't rent in St. Bernard unless you were a blood relative of the person who was to be your landlord. It was a clear attempt to block people of color from moving in, and once legal action was threatened the Parish backed down, as they could offer no non-racist reason for passing such a law.

And yet, what has the racialized thinking of whites in St. Bernard gotten them? It didn't keep them safe from busted levees. Indeed, had they been less racist and less given to thinking with their color, they might have noticed how much they had in common with their 9th Ward neighbors. But instead of joining hands with blacks in New Orleans, and marching alongside them in Washington DC or Baton Rouge, and demanding that their joint concerns be addressed, whites in places like Chalmette have been content to sit around talking about the "niggahs," and how lucky they were not to have to live side-by-side with them.

In a final irony, when students from historically black Howard University went to the New Orleans area to do relief work earlier this year, they were assigned to work in St. Bernard, rebuilding homes: homes that were it up to Parish leaders, they wouldn't have been able to live in. When one busload of students arrived at the site to which they had been sent that day, locals promptly called police. Because after all, a bunch of black people in the neighborhood must be a sign of trouble. So much for solidarity.

Conclusion: White Solidarity Illogical and Hurtful for All

It is perhaps understandable that young whites, uninformed about the history of racism in America, might fall prey to the lure of "white rights" thinking. After all, without a full understanding of the way in which whites have been elevated above people of color, and continue to be favored in employment, housing, criminal justice and education, it would make sense for whites to wonder why things like affirmative action or Black History Month were necessary; or why groups that advocate for the interests of persons of color were still needed. If you start from the assumption that the U.S. is a level playing field, then these kinds of things might seem odd, even racially preferential. But given the historical context, not to mention the vital information regarding ongoing discrimination in the present, the importance and legitimacy of these initiatives and organizations becomes evident to all but the most unreasonable.

What is most important for white folks to understand is that our interests do not lie with the racial bonding we are being asked to embrace. Indeed, the very concept of the white race was invented by the wealthy so as to trick poor and working class European Americans into accepting an economic system that exploited them, even as it elevated them in relative terms over persons of color. As such, for whites to organize on the basis of whiteness is to codify as legitimate a category the meaning of which was always and forever about domination and privilege relative to those who couldn't qualify for membership in the club.

Finally, to organize as whites in a white-dominated society, where whites have eleven times the average net worth of blacks and eight times the average net worth of Latinos (15), have unemployment rates half that of blacks, poverty rates one-third as high as that for blacks and Latinos (16), and where whites run virtually every major institution in the nation, is by definition to organize for the continuation of that domination and supremacy. It is to seek to enshrine one's head start; to seek the perpetuation of hegemony established in a system of formal apartheid, as if to say that that system was perfectly legitimate and worthy of survival. It is fundamentally different than for a minority group to organize collectively so as to secure their interests, since minority interests and opportunities cannot be assumed or taken for granted, as a function of their lesser power, while those of the majority typically can.

And to organize on the basis of whiteness is to cast one's lot with the elite, who desperately wish for working class people to believe their enemies are each other, rather than the bosses who cut their wages, raid their pension funds, and limit their health care coverage. The more that white working people fight working people who are black and brown, the less they'll be likely to take aim at those who pick their pockets every day they show up for work: paying them only a fraction of the value of the products and services they provide, all in the name of profits which they have no intention of truly sharing with their employees. Whiteness is a trick, but sadly one that has worked for nearly three-and-a-half centuries. Only when white folks wise up, and realize that whiteness itself is our problem, will we ever stand a chance of true liberation. Until then, our whiteness will provide us privileges and advantages, but only in relation to those at the bottom of the racial caste structure. It will provide a psychological wage, as W.E.B. Dubois put it, as an alternative to real wages. Not a bad deal, until you're struggling to feed your family and keep a roof over their heads. For in times like that, real currency works a bit better.

NOTES:

(1) U.S Federal Glass Ceiling Commission, Good for Business: Making Full Use of the Nation's Human Capital. (Washington DC: Bureau of National Affairs, March 1995).

(2) Fred L. Pincus, Reverse Discrimination: Dismantling the Myth. (Boulder: Lynne Rienner Publishers, 2003), 18.

(3) Roberta J. Hill, "Far More Than Frybread," in Race in the College Classroom: Pedagogy and Politics, ed. Bonnie TuSmith and Maureen T. Reddy. (New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press), 169.

(4) Sylvia Hurtado and Christine Navia, "Reconciling College Access and the Affirmative Action Debate," in Affirmative Action's Testament of Hope, ed. Mildred Garcia (Albany, NY: SUNY Press, 1997), 115.

(5) The State of Black America 2007: Portrait of the Black Male. (NY: National Urban League 2007).

(6) Devah Pager, "The Mark of a Criminal Record," American Journal of Sociology 108, 5 (March 2003): 937-75.

(7) Russell J. Skiba, et al., The Color of Discipline: Sources of Racial and Gender Disproportionality in School Punishment (Indiana Education Policy Center, Policy Research Report SRS1, June 2000), 4.

(8) "Young White Offenders get lighter treatment," The Tennesseean. April 26, 2000: 8A; Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), Results from the 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (Office of Applied Studies, Department of Health and Human Services, Rockville, MD, 2004), also, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999. Summary of Findings from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse; United States Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States, 2001. (2002); Coramae Richey Mann, Unequal Justice: A Question of Color. (Indiana University Press, 1993), 224; Jim Sidanius, Shana Levin and Felicia Pratto, "Hierarchial Group Relations, Institutional Terror and the Dynamics of the Criminal Justice System," in Confronting Racism: The Problem and the Response. eds. Jennifer Eberhardt and Susan T. Fiske, (London: Sage Publications, 1998), 142; SAMHSA, 2003 (see above): Table H.1. and calculations by the author. According to the SAMHSA report, as of 2003, there were 19.5 million current users of illegal narcotics. According to the data in the report, there were 165.4 million whites age 12 and over in the U.S., that year, and 8.5 percent of these were current users, which translates to 14 million white users. 14 million as a share of 19.5 million is 72 percent. According to the same report, there were 26.8 million blacks 12 and over in the U.S., of whom 9.7 percent were current drug users. This translates into 2.6 million current black drug users, which, as a share of 19.5 million is 13 percent. According to the report, there were 29 million Hispanics, of whom 7.2 percent, or 2 million, were current drug users. 2 million as a share of 19.5 million is 10 percent. Combined then, the black and Latino users come to 23 percent of all drug users; Human Rights Watch, Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs. (Washington, D.C. Volume 12, No. 2, May 2000); Michael K. Brown, et al., Whitewashing Race: The Myth of a Color-Blind Society. (University of California, 2003), 144.

(9) Rubio, Paul. 2000. A History of Affirmative Action, 1619-2000. University Press of Mississippi; Loewen, James, 1995. Lies My Teacher Told Me, New Press; Gutman, Herbert and the American Social History Project. 1989. Who Built America? Working People and the Nation's Economy, Politics, Culture and Society. (Volumes 1 and 2) NY: Pantheon; Allen, Theodore. 1994. The Invention of the White Race, Volume One: Racial Oppression and Social Control. NY: Verso; Allen, Theodore, 1997. The Invention of the White Race, Volume Two: The Origin of Racial Oppression in Anglo-America. NY; Verso.

(10) Rubio, 2000; Thandeka, 2000. Learning to Be White: Money, Race and God in America. NY: Continuum.

(11) Rubio, 2000; Ignatiev, Noel, 1994. How the Irish Became White. NY: Routledge; Guglielmo, Jennifer (ed), 2003. Are Italians White? How Race is Made in America. NY: Routledge.

(12) Manning, Chandra, 2007. What This Cruel War Was Over: Soldiers, Slavery and the Civil War. NY: Knopf.

(13) Loewen, 1995; Gutman, et.al. 1989.

(14) Brown, Michael K, Martin Carnoy, Elliott Currie, Troy Duster, David B. Oppenheimer, Marjorie M. Schultz and David Wellman, 2003. Whitewashing Race: The Myth of a Color-Blind Society. University of California: 207.

(15) Shawna Orzechowski and Peter Sepielli, Net Worth and Asset Ownership of Households: 1998 and 2000 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Reports, P70-88, May 2003), 2.

(16) The State of Black America 2007: Portrait of the Black Male. (NY: National Urban League 2007)

This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.

The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc)

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related)

Talk - Tim Wise on White Privilege - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related)

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education
Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1)

affirmative action /school bias
white people have affimative action to
white people have affimative action to - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irqMXsiXx0)

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jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 12:10 AM

lol. No, telling you to 'use your brain' is not racist at all. The fact you're 'of African decent' is irrelevant to the fact that you're clearly either pretty stupid or just brain washed.

You're telling me that there were no people in Europe prior to the ancient Greek historian Heredotus? Did Greece just spring up the moment he stepped foot in it? Thats seems fairly implausible doesn't it?

But not quite as implausible as the notion that people were smelting iron 50,000 years ago. LOL!

Absolute nonsense. You're talking bullshit mate.

And why don't you visit Egypt and ask them what they want their country to be called. And for that matter, have you even been to Africa? It's weird that they're 'your' people but you choose to live in NYC...

Dude duh of course there were Caucasian people living in Europe before Greece, I asked you SHOW ME MONUMENTS AND MATHEMATICS, SCIENCE, ETC before reaching Kemet! The Caucasians had none! YOu are dodging the question!

Me going to Africa and Kemet/Egypt was a great experience but still just a trip didn't educate me.

Now hold the fuck up, are you telling me because I have history of Africa I should move there? I tell you what, since the European Caucasians stole this land from the Natives why don't you move back to the Caucus mountains! Do that and I will move to Africa ok?

So are you telling me they were not smelting iron in Swaziland 50,000 years ago in Africa? Is that what you are saying? Either your ass don't know what you're talking about or you're just trying to be funny.

natina

09-19-2011, 12:12 AM

TIM WISE speak at mostly all the universities all over the USA

he has been given assignments by the US government and has succeed in his endeavors

Tim Wise essays

This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.

The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc)

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related)

Talk - Tim Wise on White Privilege - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related)

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education
Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1)

affirmative action /school bias
white people have affimative action to
white people have affimative action to - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irqMXsiXx0)

the most important items for you to here are Tim Wise on White Privilege (Teaser) m its only a few minutes and to help the school immediately at least the last 35 minutes of
Tim Wise on the "Dominant Historical Narrative"

http://www.redroom.com/media/tim-wise

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http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

natina

09-19-2011, 12:13 AM

you must be from the confederate south

missipi or?

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YOU FORGOT THE WHITE ONLY VOTE

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I enjoy being white! I especially enjoy the meetings with other whites. The special white-only coupons from large retailers help to. The discount on cars and the those white-only interest rates are great too!!!

Somebody had to be white - I'm happy it was me!

natina

09-19-2011, 12:15 AM

one of the most important VIDEOS FOR FREDDIE GOMEZ'S EDUCATION FROM A PROFESSOR OF A PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY

Program: Black in Latin America
Episode: Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race
Professor Gates explores the almost unknown history their significant black populations: the two countries together received far more slaves than did the United States.
• Visit the Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race webpage

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/
http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/
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natina

09-19-2011, 12:16 AM

BIGGER ISSUES WHITE COLLAR CRIME IS THE REASON this country is IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WHITE COLLAR CRIME GOES UNPUNISHED MOSTLY AND NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY

ITS DISCUSSED IN TIM WISE'S LECTURES

Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk)

TIM WISE- INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICAN SOCIETY IS REAL - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55zE_qJd2g)

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Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 12:17 AM

Brenda's penis??? That big. lol

http://www.nikki-dupre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/brenda-aka-natina.jpg

Brenda, can you copy and paste a cat-scan of your brain, or did you fry it to a crisp with crack and meth? lol Oooooooooooh snap! lol

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 12:18 AM

He's saying that African human beings have existed for "millions" of years? Based on radio-carbon tests? lol

You fucking ass turd! you are the most silliest TGirl bitch I have ever seen on line!

I don't even know what the fuck you said which is stupid as fuck. My fucking shorts are BIKE not BVD's you dumb ass!
I didn't say shit about humans being tested for radio carbon to case them millions of years, I said I know and have the knowledge of it, but since your dumb ass went there, whats the oldest skull found, and where, and was it African or Caucasian? Lets see how smart your ass is!

You're the same dumb bitch that gets online in here to ask "WHO WANTS TO SHARE AND APARTMENT WITH ME" how fucking stupid can you be? Who would want to shack up with some air head egotistic ass lump who has nothing but drama in their life? Get the fuck outta here. You came straight in here trying to diss me and I didn't say shit to your dumb ass! Get the fuck on you dumb ass dog!

Jericho

09-19-2011, 12:18 AM

Oh great...Now nutsack's woken up!

loveboof

09-19-2011, 12:19 AM

He's saying that African human beings have existed for "millions" of years? Based on radio-carbon tests? lol

hahaha. I know.

I made the mistake of actually trying to communicate with him like an intelligent person...

I didn't realise he was completely retarded. :/

Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 12:24 AM

So European civilizations was only basically A FEW THOUSAND YEARS AGO! and I am glad you said that because Africa is millions of years ago,

"Years ago" means... years ago? I think? It did the last time I heard.

Your words, genius. Nice try. lol ;-)

Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 12:26 AM

Chris Rock - Black People VS. Niggaz (Bring the Pain 1996) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4)

lol

loveboof

09-19-2011, 12:29 AM

Now hold the fuck up, are you telling me because I have history of Africa I should move there? I tell you what, since the European Caucasians stole this land from the Natives why don't you move back to the Caucus mountains! Do that and I will move to Africa ok?

So are you telling me they were not smelting iron in Swaziland 50,000 years ago in Africa? Is that what you are saying?
Nope. I'm not telling you to move anywhere. I said it's weird that you keep referring to people born and raised on another continent to you - 'my' people. Who's the one generalising now?

They're not yours. You are American right?

And yes, I am telling you that nobody was smelting iron 50,000 years ago. Just a simple internet search will set you right on that one. :)

giovanni_hotel

09-19-2011, 12:41 AM

'Millions of years ago', yeah that was funny.

Human beings haven't been on the planet millions of years, James. African civilization is I would guess much less than that.

Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 12:46 AM

Dino Velvet

09-19-2011, 12:51 AM

I feel you on that, I can talk openly about it without feeling ashamed or inferior to someone's thoughts. But I understand you though, the Dutch? lol that's another history whew! lol I'll let you tell it if you would.

My ex-GF is also Russian but her pretty White skin has a yellowish tint. I never brought it up in conversation. She started checking her own history which I highly discouraged. If she's not part Khan she could share blood with me and I fuck her.

Any Dutch stories can't compare. Windmills, Chocolates, Wooden Shoes... No Ethnic Cleansing. Just a bunch of people too passive to be German who sound like they have a mouthful of marbles when they speak.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 12:53 AM

Nope. I'm not telling you to move anywhere. I said it's weird that you keep referring to people born and raised on another continent to you - 'my' people.

They're not yours. You are American right?

And yes, I am telling you that nobody was smelting iron 50,000 years ago. Just a simple internet search will set you right on that one. :)

Being you are asking if I am "AMERICAN" and being I already told you "I AM AFRICAN DESCENT" how do you even equate to ask me such a question? I never once said I was American, I wouldn't dare do that, that type of shit can get you killed in certain parts of countries world wide! No I am not!

I said "MY PEOPLE" because that's how we talk you wouldn't understand that shit just like if I said to another African descent person my BROTHA OR SISTA you don't get the meaning behind that shit. Let me tell you, I am a product of the same stock of people that were brought here from Africa that's why I say my people, I have the same skin tone complexion, features, family stock etc, that's why I said MY PEOPLE! and you probably still won't get it.

Internet search for smelting iron 50,000 years ago? ummmmm really?

jjboy89

09-19-2011, 12:56 AM

maybe she just finds black men unattractive?

i generally don't find black women attractive.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:01 AM

And I wasn't talking about shacking up with a hood rat like you, James. lol You'd have to pay me to even look at you. The last time I was in Miami, I shacked up with a guy for 5 days, gave him 1 gratis session every day, and made my coins for the rest of the afternoon. It worked out very nicely. Don't hate because I can make those things happen, and you're begging to get butt-fucked, and making up crazy stories that you have to backpeddle from. You're a sad guy, James. And you're a masochist. You're always letting your keyboard write checks that reality won't cash.

And you started insulting me by saying "fuck you". Remember, James? Well obviously you're ignorant, you lack class, you're offensive, and you're a liar.

Truth hurts, huh baby?

Hold the fuck up, I haven't talked to you for a month or two you came in here talking some dumb shit about me. Get the fuck outta here I wouldn't pay you shit, and I have proof with my TGirl fuck buddies how I get down and don't have to pay shit! To look at you? Are you fucking off your rocker? I wouldn't pay shit to see you! You are a fucking pest. You came flying in here on the butt end of this convo with some bullshit facebook shit, I don't use that shit and you just chimed in on me.

So tell me asshole how old is the lastest human skull, I want you to answer this since your dumb ass wanna jump into shit. and how did they test how old the skull was and where is it from?

First off I don't think the TGirl is racist as I said so what the fuck are you talking about? You're like a fucking walking argument !!! You are pressed for wrap! now get the fuck on !

Silcc69

09-19-2011, 01:02 AM

maybe she just finds black men unattractive?

i generally don't find black women attractive.

Uhm I guess u missed the pic I posted where she was letting a black guy suck her dick?

loveboof

09-19-2011, 01:07 AM

Being you are asking if I am "AMERICAN" and being I already told you "I AM AFRICAN DESCENT" how do you even equate to ask me such a question? I never once said I was American, I wouldn't dare do that, that type of shit can get you killed in certain parts of countries world wide! No I am not!

I said "MY PEOPLE" because that's how we talk you wouldn't understand that shit just like if I said to another African descent person my BROTHA OR SISTA you don't get the meaning behind that shit. Let me tell you, I am a product of the same stock of people that were brought here from Africa that's why I say my people, I have the same skin tone complexion, features, family stock etc, that's why I said MY PEOPLE! and you probably still won't get it.

Internet search for smelting iron 50,000 years ago? ummmmm really?

Ok. so you were born and raised in the USA. That makes you American in the eyes of the world.

Where abouts in Africa were your ancestors from? Because you do realise that Africa is a continent made up of many different countries. Most of the different nationalities have long lasting hatred for each other.

We're not talking about a unified group of people here. They kill each other on a regular basis...

When you call them 'my' people you are just as guilty of generalisation as any other racist person. You are showing a complete disregard for all the individual cultures and history's evident in that continent.

(and pssst, let's leave the iron thing because it is doing you no favours at all lol. As a species we were just about evolving the ability for complex speech 50,000 years ago. We were not anywhere near capable of smelting iron ore)

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:07 AM

maybe she just finds black men unattractive?

i generally don't find black women attractive.

And see that's your right but some asshole will call you racist because you don't find African descent women attractive. Just like if I don't like chocolate chip cookies and someone does why call me a hater of chocolate chip cookies? Same fucking shit, a person has the right to no like some thing. That doesn't mean you're racist!

Again if someone could answer if I said I didn't like Caucasian TGirls would I be a fucking racist? No one answered that shit! African descent people who have a fucking inferior complex always start some racial bullshit. Again I seen Omarz go off on Bella when he tried to make like she was racist when he tried to say "MOST BLACK MEN ARE NAMED OMAR" and Bella never said anything racist. That TGirl said on her page what she didn't like Omarz took it upon his fucking self to bring that shit all the way here and to call her a racist, this is some bullshit!

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:09 AM

Uhm I guess u missed the pic I posted where she was letting a black guy suck her dick?

Well I be George Dubya Bush cousin lol DAm I didn't see that pic. shit, if she is letting a so called black man suck her cock ummmmmmmmm dam what I said was right then! People don't know if she is racist until they have all the dam facts straight!

Silcc69

09-19-2011, 01:12 AM

Mayrah

09-19-2011, 01:12 AM

My ex-GF is also Russian but her pretty White skin has a yellowish tint. I never brought it up in conversation. She started checking her own history which I highly discouraged. If she's not part Khan she could share blood with me and I fuck her.

Any Dutch stories can't compare. Windmills, Chocolates, Wooden Shoes... No Ethnic Cleansing. Just a bunch of people too passive to be German who sound like they have a mouthful of marbles when they speak.

Lies:ignore:

loveboof

09-19-2011, 01:14 AM

Everybody kills everybody big deal. Him calling whatever he wants to call
himself has absolutely no bearing on your life so really what is your point?
Umm, well you can clearly see my point quoted in your own message.

Nicole Dupre

09-19-2011, 01:16 AM

Dino Velvet

09-19-2011, 01:18 AM

Lies:ignore:

Not lies. At one time The Dutch were a great power by my mom's peeps are as dull as dirt. Truth.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:19 AM

Ok. so you were born and raised in the USA. That makes you American in the eyes of the world.
Where abouts in Africa were your ancestors from? Because you do realise that Africa is a continent made up of many different countries. Most of the different nationalities have long lasting hatred for each other.

We're not talking about a unified group of people here. They kill each other on a regular basis...

When you call them 'my' people you are just as guilty of generalisation as any other racist person. You are showing a complete disregard for all the individual cultures and history's evident in that continent.

(and pssst, let's leave the iron thing because it is doing you no favours at all lol. As a species we were just about evolving the ability for complex speech 50,000 years ago. We were not anywhere near capable of smelting iron ore)

FUCK WHAT OTHERS MAY SAY IF I AM AMERICAN, I DICTACT WHO I AM, I SPEAK 3 AFRICAN LANGUAGES, AND I AM FROM THE STOCK OF MY AFRICAN ANSCESTORS!
See this is my point you making it a basis for everyone to name me, but ME! I said I am not American and that's all what matters. Why do you think some call themselves African American? Meaning They are still African just born in America doesn't mean they support this fucked up Gov't or the likes of the shit that goes on here.

My ancestors are from Ghana, and yours?

Duh wtf who am I really talking too? Man I know African is made up of different nations, and over 2,000 fucking languages, DUH!

YOU SAID :" Most of the different nationalities have long lasting hatred for each other."

Now I wonder who did the conquer and divide bullshit so they can colonize places in Africa. I wish I could put all my knowledge up here you people are so wrapped it's not even funny!

Get the fuck outta here with that because I call them my people, we have been saying that shit before you were born, I won't even respond to that ridiculous shit! We do that shit all the time in NYC and other states, that doesn't mean we are disrespecting others, fuck outta here that's how we communicate with our own. So called Jews do that shit and no one says nothing but soon as we do it there is a motha fucking problem? Fuck outta here.

If I was disrespectful I wouldn't have went against Omarz who happen to be African descent. I said the TGirl who said that shouldn't be seen as a racist just because she doesn't want a so called black man, she has that right. Now I was fair where is the disrespect in that? Fuck the evolving of words, this is how my people lose touch with their history because of these newly evolved words, I know how this shit works, using words of art, get the fuck outta here!

buckjohnson

09-19-2011, 01:21 AM

i fuck mostly white gg. Does that make me racist?

buckjohnson

09-19-2011, 01:23 AM

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:24 AM

What do my friends who still post here and on Facebook have to do with you, James? I never said I was friends with you on Facebook, unless I added you and you never told me who you were. But thats where someone is keeping me up to date on HA. Do you need a radio-carbon test for that? lol I'm friends with about 10 folks on here who also use Facebook. Maybe if you socialized elsewhere, and engaged in conversations like a grown man, you wouldn't feel a need to talk such nonsense.

Now I'll let you get back to the history lecture. You're really doing a brilliant job. Personally, I've had my fill of this bullshit.

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU CAN'T ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION!

Yet you fly your dumb ass in here talking some old dumb shit, I ask what's the oldest skull where did it come from and how the fuck did they test it to be the oldest skull? Since your dumb ass wanna laugh at me about carbon dating, so I asked you one simple question. Don't tell me about no got dam face book!!! I know your friends don't know if they are asking you on facebook. Seems they don't know shit, so how do Anthropoligist date fossils from the earth dear watson?

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:25 AM

i fuck mostly white gg. Does that make me racist?

:dead: hell no you like what you like and that's the bottom line. that shit aint racist no more than the TGirl saying she don't want blackmen! That's her choice and she has the right to it without being called a racist.

Dino Velvet

09-19-2011, 01:28 AM

i fuck mostly white gg. Does that make me racist?

Doesn't bother me. Sodomize those Honkey sluts until their funholes bleed. Make as many babies as possible and stick them with the bill too.

Asian guys should loathe me for what I do to their women.

buckjohnson

09-19-2011, 01:33 AM

Doesn't bother me. Sodomize those Honkey sluts until their funholes bleed. Make as many babies as possible and stick them with the bill too.

Asian guys should loathe me for what I do to their women.

I like that thought. I always keep it in the back of my mind when i fucking the white girls in the ass.

The latest poster needs some medical intervention. I pray she gets it.

Bobby Domino

09-19-2011, 01:34 AM

Glad to have you back, Nicole!!!

What do my friends who still post here and on Facebook have to do with you, James? Now I'll let you get back to the history lecture. You're really doing a brilliant job. Personally, I've had my fill of this bullshit.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 01:41 AM

'Millions of years ago', yeah that was funny.

Human beings haven't been on the planet millions of years, James. African civilization is I would guess much less than that.

Huh? Ok, can you explain to me what's the oldest skull they have found and where did they find it, just a simple quesiton if you said Africans haven't been on the planet millions of years. Thanks

giovanni_hotel

09-19-2011, 01:49 AM

runningdownthatdream

09-19-2011, 01:59 AM

Chris Rock - Black People VS. Niggaz (Bring the Pain 1996) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4)

lol

that and this...........

The Last Poets - Niggers Are Scared Of Revolution - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-m6BnUgIU)

loveboof

09-19-2011, 02:01 AM

FUCK WHAT OTHERS MAY SAY IF I AM AMERICAN, I DICTACT WHO I AM, I SPEAK 3 AFRICAN LANGUAGES, AND I AM FROM THE STOCK OF MY AFRICAN ANSCESTORS!
See this is my point you making it a basis for everyone to name me, but ME! I said I am not American and that's all what matters. Why do you think some call themselves African American? Meaning They are still African just born in America doesn't mean they support this fucked up Gov't or the likes of the shit that goes on here.

My ancestors are from Ghana, and yours?

Duh wtf who am I really talking too? Man I know African is made up of different nations, and over 2,000 fucking languages, DUH!

YOU SAID :" Most of the different nationalities have long lasting hatred for each other."

Now I wonder who did the conquer and divide bullshit so they can colonize places in Africa. I wish I could put all my knowledge up here you people are so wrapped it's not even funny!

Get the fuck outta here with that because I call them my people, we have been saying that shit before you were born, I won't even respond to that ridiculous shit! We do that shit all the time in NYC and other states, that doesn't mean we are disrespecting others, fuck outta here that's how we communicate with our own. So called Jews do that shit and no one says nothing but soon as we do it there is a motha fucking problem? Fuck outta here.

If I was disrespectful I wouldn't have went against Omarz who happen to be African descent. I said the TGirl who said that shouldn't be seen as a racist just because she doesn't want a so called black man, she has that right. Now I was fair where is the disrespect in that? Fuck the evolving of words, this is how my people lose touch with their history because of these newly evolved words, I know how this shit works, using words of art, get the fuck outta here!

Prejudice and racism are borne out of ignorance. And you are just as guilty of the latter as any other person (you whole-heartedly prove it with every idiotic word you speak).

You are American. Whether the idea is distasteful to you or not, that is the truth of it. Self-denial is not healthy. You can call yourself a pink tailed fairy, but that doesn't make it true...

Europeans certainly did not do Africa any favours by drawing up the lines on a map, but one of the reasons for this is because it overlooked the violent tribal feuds which had been in existence for a long time.

The fact something has happened 'since before I was born' does not prove it right - you of all people should realise that. It is simple logic that leads to the inevitable conclusion that your terminology is equally a generalisation as 'blacks' or 'you people'.

I'd like to be done with this discussion now, because it is going nowhere. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Dino Velvet

09-19-2011, 02:09 AM

I like that thought. I always keep it in the back of my mind when i fucking the white girls in the ass.

Cut her head off for all I care. I know this shit is intended to make me mad but I could give 2 shits. A whore is a whore to me. I might spend an hour with a whore but I share my life only with a good woman.

runningdownthatdream

09-19-2011, 02:18 AM

Huh? Ok, can you explain to me what's the oldest skull they have found and where did they find it, just a simple quesiton if you said Africans haven't been on the planet millions of years. Thanks

Respect for trying to represent. However, we should be thinking more broadly about the human race in general. Trying to equate the rise of homo sapiens in the part of the world we now call Africa with superiority or inferiority of people based on skin colour is absurd. From what we have deduced the earliest civilizations were in the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia - the Egyptians were on the scene some time after them. The Indus Valley isn't in what we call Africa today although Mesopotamia was in what we now call the Middle East so may be construed as 'African'. BUT paintings and other art from the times indicate that those people were not 'black' Africans like the Nubians. The point I'm trying to make is that Homo Sapiens may have originated in the heart of Africa but people didn't start building cities and living sedentary lives until they started moving northwards. Obviously the earliest civilizations weren't in Europe because migrations was slow. At some point it seemed that Neanderthal man evolved somewhere north of the African continent but may have been overwhelmed large migrations of Homo sapiens coming from Africa. Anyways I'll stop now as all of this info is readily available if one wants to really understand how we came to be here.

It is asinine to argue about race superiority.

People like Arnie666 and Rustaffa are just ill-informed, stuck in the little world they live in, and obviously just hate for the sake of hating. The more anyone tries to convince them they are wrong, the stronger they will stick to their views because it is all they have - it is how they identify themselves and tell themselves they are better when in reality they probably feel like impotent little boys.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 02:23 AM

@loveboof:
New York times dude, and you can look it up. See I got clippings that people don't even have! 43,000 years ago in Africa, Swaziland they were mining and smelting iron, this is New York Times 1972! Excuse me for saying 50,000 also.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/76/43a4cc6d5597ec2f112ea91973e37cf4.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854324)

http://img1.imagehousing.com/93/b90c1c682b93a4d6a6541a30dd1e2c7d.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854326)

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 02:25 AM

Respect for trying to represent. However, we should be thinking more broadly about the human race in general. Trying to equate the rise of homo sapiens in the part of the world we now call Africa with superiority or inferiority of people based on skin colour is absurd. From what we have deduced the earliest civilizations were in the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia - the Egyptians were on the scene some time after them. The Indus Valley isn't in what we call Africa today although Mesopotamia was in what we now call the Middle East so may be construed as 'African'. BUT paintings and other art from the times indicate that those people were not 'black' Africans like the Nubians. The point I'm trying to make is that Homo Sapiens may have originated in the heart of Africa but people didn't start building cities and living sedentary lives until they started moving northwards. Obviously the earliest civilizations weren't in Europe because migrations was slow. At some point it seemed that Neanderthal man evolved somewhere north of the African continent but may have been overwhelmed large migrations of Homo sapiens coming from Africa. Anyways I'll stop now as all of this info is readily available if one wants to really understand how we came to be here.

It is asinine to argue about race superiority.

People like Arnie666 and Rustaffa are just ill-informed, stuck in the little world they live in, and obviously just hate for the sake of hating. The more anyone tries to convince them they are wrong, the stronger they will stick to their views because it is all they have - it is how they identify themselves and tell themselves they are better when in reality they probably feel like impotent little boys.

Exactly! I don't even use the term homo sapiens I am talking about humans period to these guys and they are presenting just a section of human history. Now I am going to get into the good part. Thanks

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 02:51 AM

Homo sapiens haven't been on the planet million(s) of years, according to current anthropological records.

You could have pushed arguing maybe a clean One million years, but still no confirmed record.

Human civilization clearly isn't millions of years old, or even hundreds of thousands of year old.

Just sayin'. ;)

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-sapiens

Thank you brother for being respectful in your decision, but here's what I have.

This is homo sapien time, there were Africans that lived before that.
http://img1.imagehousing.com/77/2d4d0783e23dd3eb5bf5e4f5c883e349.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854337)

Now look at the millions of years.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/30/76793fca392e9fabab7d4744bdbfff4b.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854336)
http://img1.imagehousing.com/82/19b3949ef6d871575b638bcbd8c370fd.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854333)

7 million year old skull!!! Human!
http://img1.imagehousing.com/39/a925a2a491d28d0ea565b87738ac6b03.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854341)

http://i54.tinypic.com/246nsjk.jpg

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:00 AM

So I ask Nicole again FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? i DON'T EVEN RESPECT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A BULLSHITTER AND TRYING TO MAKE ME OUT AS A LIAR AND SOME STORY TELLING BULLSHITTER SO FUCK YOU! You don't have info on shit, you're not educated and couldn't possibly fuck with me on an academic level if you know what the fuck that means at all! So don't say shit to me and I won't say shit to you, kapesh?

runningdownthatdream

09-19-2011, 03:01 AM

This is homo sapien time, there were Africans that lived before that.
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Now look at the millions of years.

(http://www.imagehousing.com/image/854337)
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7 million year old skull!!! Human!

C'mon man we can't be reaching back past 150,000 years which is about when we have found evidence of people most similar to us today. Beyond that we may as well be trying to introduce tree dwellers. I don't think anyone with knowledge would argue the point that the earliest evidence of upright walking hominids are from Africa or that some of the earliest civilizations started on the African continent.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:01 AM

NOw to conclude as I said and I have shown documented evidence that my people bee on this earth a very long as time!

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:11 AM

Prejudice and racism are borne out of ignorance. And you are just as guilty of the latter as any other person (you whole-heartedly prove it with every idiotic word you speak).
You are American. Whether the idea is distasteful to you or not, that is the truth of it. Self-denial is not healthy. You can call yourself a pink tailed fairy, but that doesn't make it true...

Europeans certainly did not do Africa any favours by drawing up the lines on a map, but one of the reasons for this is because it overlooked the violent tribal feuds which had been in existence for a long time.

I'd like to be done with this discussion now, because it is going nowhere. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

First off I am not prejudice, or a racist, and I did give the correct definition before the evolved definition that is watered down!

Again see this is the problem, I am African descent, see how you are trying to FORCE ME TO BE AMERICAN? This is the dam problem and you call what I say idiotic? Again I am african descent and I am not American! Again I dictate who I am NOT YOU! You don't tell me who I am, I guess that's the supremcy coming out of you right now. That's like the slave owner telling me "YOUR NAME IS TOBI YOU ARE NOT KUNTA" only this time if you were to try and whip me I would beat the shit outta you! AGAIN I AM AFRICAN DESCENT! If you don't like it TOUGH!

Europeans changes the maps also. YOu do know Egypt's north is the new maps south? and Egypts south is the European north? You do know this right? In grade school they teach you this shit. African maps is where Africa is on top and Europe is on the Bottom! So lets not go there. You're fucking with an educated man not some imp fucka. I have degrees in this shit and speak 3 different langauges as I said before, linguistics is the key to all the fucking lying that goes on to change African history too!

Yeah they had tribal fueds what does that have to do with all the treachery of Europeans? Name one place, Just one, I am not asking for 4 , 5 or 20, but just one place the Europeans went and had land of their own and didn't kill or rape or murder, other than the icy cliffs of the Caucus mountains, just one. That shouldn't be hard for you at all.

See the tribal fueds, didn't take one's beliefs from them, or their identity and so forth. You can't fuck with me on the real.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:14 AM

C'mon man we can't be reaching back past 150,000 years which is about when we have found evidence of people most similar to us today. Beyond that we may as well be trying to introduce tree dwellers. I don't think anyone with knowledge would argue the point that the earliest evidence of upright walking hominids are from Africa or that some of the earliest civilizations started on the African continent.

Dude I don't care if we were walking on our ass cheeks, we still existed! That's the point. I didn't say it, I just showed the evidence that there were humans on this planet for millions of years dude. And you're still trying to deny it by some walking up straight stuff? How do you know those people of 7 million years didn't walk straight up? The point again is Africans existed millions of years not thousands of years and I have proven that with documentation and I have a plethora of documentation on it. When we was created and put on this earth we didn't straight off build buildings, I hope you know that, so trees were our only comfort at that time until we started to think about the harsh conditions of the cold, heat and so forth. This gave the science to clothes and different fabrics.

Then came the knowledge how to build to protect ourselves from insects, animals, hard weather conditions etc. I am not ashamed of that, because I understand the logic. See some of you love to take all the good and not the bad, before we built anything we were without anything because I am dam sure and certain the earth was here before man and man didn't created the earth. And if you look at the Aborigine people who are probably the most oldest people on this planet who prayed to their deity "ANATU" they climbed in the trees to get their food and to pray etc, is that something to be ashamed of? No, I respect them and their spirituality more than some of the people of today!

loveboof

09-19-2011, 03:16 AM

@loveboof:
New York times dude, and you can look it up. See I got clippings that people don't even have! 43,000 years ago in Africa, Swaziland they were mining and smelting iron, this is New York Times 1972! Excuse me for saying 50,000 also.

My mum once told me a story about how in Britain on April's fools day a documentary was run on tv about 'the spaghetti tree'. People believed every word.

Obviously the idea is hilarious to us now because Italian food is completely common place in our lives, and we all know how spaghetti is made.

The reason I'm telling you this is to show how information can become out dated as we learn more about a certain field.

As for the iron mine - I don't need to see some obscure news clipping from forty years ago to know that information is incorrect. Just like smoking is no longer recommended as a stress reliever in medical books, our modern understanding supersedes the information. Just google 'iron smelting'. Please.

runningdownthatdream

09-19-2011, 03:33 AM

Dude I don't care if we were walking on our ass cheeks, we still existed! That's the point. I didn't say it, I just showed the evidence that there were humans on this planet for millions of years dude. And you're still trying to deny it by some walking up straight stuff? How do you know those people of 7 million years didn't walk straight up? The point again is Africans existed millions of years not thousands of years and I have proven that with documentation and I have a plethora of documentation on it. When we was created and put on this earth we didn't straight off build buildings, I hope you know that, so trees were our only comfort at that time until we started to think about the harsh conditions of the cold, heat and so forth. This gave the science to clothes and different fabrics.

Then came the knowledge how to build to protect ourselves from insects, animals, hard weather conditions etc. I am not ashamed of that, because I understand the logic. See some of you love to take all the good and not the bad, before we built anything we were without anything because I am dam sure and certain the earth was here before man and man didn't created the earth. And if you look at the Aborigine people who are probably the most oldest people on this planet who prayed to their deity "ANATU" they climbed in the trees to get their food and to pray etc, is that something to be ashamed of? No, I respect them and their spirituality more than some of the people of today!

Who is 'we'? You like every other human on the earth can trace origin back to 'Africa' ergo ALL people on the planet are 'African' or more correctly come from a geographic region that is now called Africa. The fact that the people who stayed in that region retained pigment colour and are more or less shades of dark brown does not give those people the right to claim some kind of superiority over people from other parts of the world.

Or to put it another way: we ALL came from the same place. You don't need to validate yourself and other black people because your ancestors stayed in Africa rather than migrate away. You're just a different shade of human which is irrelevant in the general scheme of life.

loveboof

09-19-2011, 03:34 AM

First off I am not prejudice, or a racist, and I did give the correct definition before the evolved definition that is watered down!

Again see this is the problem, I am African descent, see how you are trying to FORCE ME TO BE AMERICAN? This is the dam problem and you call what I say idiotic? Again I am african descent and I am not American! Again I dictate who I am NOT YOU! You don't tell me who I am, I guess that's the supremcy coming out of you right now. That's like the slave owner telling me "YOUR NAME IS TOBI YOU ARE NOT KUNTA" only this time if you were to try and whip me I would beat the shit outta you! AGAIN I AM AFRICAN DESCENT! If you don't like it TOUGH!

Europeans changes the maps also. YOu do know Egypt's north is the new maps south? and Egypts south is the European north? You do know this right? In grade school they teach you this shit. African maps is where Africa is on top and Europe is on the Bottom! So lets not go there. You're fucking with an educated man not some imp fucka. I have degrees in this shit and speak 3 different langauges as I said before, linguistics is the key to all the fucking lying that goes on to change African history too!

Yeah they had tribal fueds what does that have to do with all the treachery of Europeans? Name one place, Just one, I am not asking for 4 , 5 or 20, but just one place the Europeans went and had land of their own and didn't kill or rape or murder, other than the icy cliffs of the Caucus mountains, just one. That shouldn't be hard for you at all.

See the tribal fueds, didn't take one's beliefs from them, or their identity and so forth. You can't fuck with me on the real.
I didnt say you were either. When someone says 'the latter' it means the second of whatever they were referring to.

I am not forcing you to be American, that's just the way it is. You were born and raised in America. You cannot dictate where you are born. And if the idea of being American is so abhorrent to you, I would actually suggest you find another country to live in.

I finally understand the problem though, because apparently 'your people' are not even human lol.

Our species is about 200,000 years old.

Any older fossils are not from our species James. Sure, 'humanoid' - but not part of our species.

As a white man, I am also of African decent - and you really dont seem to like it!

I believe we're all the same; from the same stuff and the same place. I am not a racist. Don't you think your efforts could be put to better use arguing with some genuine bigots?

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:39 AM

My mum once told me a story about how in Britain on April's fools day a documentary was run on tv about 'the spaghetti tree'. People believed every word.

Obviously the idea is hilarious to us now because Italian food is completely common place in our lives, and we all know how spaghetti is made.

The reason I'm telling you this is to show how information can become out dated as we learn more about a certain field.

As for the iron mine - I don't need to see some obscure news clipping from forty years ago to know that information is incorrect. Just like smoking is no longer recommended as a stress reliever in medical books, our modern understanding supersedes the information. Just google 'iron smelting'. Please.

Ummmmmmmmm dude, don't you think I looked up that? But this is old news, why don't you look it up. There are things that the school and other places don't even teach. So you think everything on the internet is true? I gave you a document by a credible source, critically analyzed and is documented! Back then there wasn't any internet! the news paper was the other source of info and the TV, so I ask you, the info I put up are you telling me it's a lie? Because that's what I am getting from you as you are telling me to read up on smelting iron. So prove my document wrong! That's all!

Ok we are going into it then since you want it off the net here goes.

Iron Mines
Iron ore mining is mainly found on the Ngwenya mountain massif. It contains deposits of high grade iron ore which have been worked continuously for the past 50 000 years. The site includes the oldest recorded mining operation in the world, Lion Cavern, alongside the modern open cast mining.

Ancient Mining
It is now widely accepted that sub-Saharan Africa is the cradle of mankind from which Homo sapiens emerged some 100 000 to 200 000 years ago and there is abundant evidence in Swaziland of early Homo sapiens' activity

During recent mining in the Ngwenya mountain range, so many ancient tools were found lying around that when news reached the famed archaeologist Professor Raymond Dart in South Africa, he sent Adrien Boshier to investigate.

Adrian Boshier visited the Lion Cavern site and collected stone tools, made of dolerite which is foreign to the area. The tools were unlike those normally found on a stone age site, being more specialised, consisting of choppers, picks and hammerstones. Professor Dart identified them as mining tools. The tools were not confined to the surface layers but were scattered throught huge depressions which should have been solid haematite. They were lying among and beneath thousands of tons of red iron oxide, down in depth to forty feet or more. Enquiries by Boshier among the Swazis elicited the information that haematite deposits had been mined in historic times and that it was the custom to fill in the excavation to avoid offending the spirits of the underworld. Boshier theorised that if the holes had been refilled with haematite then the mine workers must have wanted something else, other than the ore.

The high points of the ridge were points named Lion and Castle. Below Castle Beacon, Boshier found an adit 42 feet into the mountain and 25 feet at its widest point narrowing vertically to a point. The question was why would people interested in haematite go to all the trouble to mine a material that could easily be got by opencast. Specularite (a different ore) was the answer. Specularite is considered to have great power by traditional Swazis and only chiefs and the most qualified priest diviners are permitted to wear it, smearing the whole body and hair with it. In one of the adits they even found a mortar and pestle to grind the specularite. In fact, these ancient mines were cosmetic mines producing cosmetics for ceremonial occasions.

The next question was how old were these mines? The archaeologist, Peter Beaumont, produced evidence of mining in the middle stone age, later stone age and iron age. At Ngwenya, Middle Stone Age man tunnelled adits into the precipitous western face in search of iron pigments, the weathered ochreous forms of haematite (libomvu) near the surface, and the harder black glistening form of the ore called specularite (ludumare). In 1967 charcoal nodules from some of the more ancient adits were sent to both Yale and Groningen radiocarbon laboritories where Carbon 14 testing was carried out on it. A date of about 43 000 BC or 41 000 BC was obtained, making this the oldest known mining operation in the world. It is thought these ores were mined until at least 23 000 BC. At Lion Cavern it is estimated that at least 1 200 tons of soft haematite ore, rich in specularite, had been removed in ancient times.

Despite the enormous amounts of ore which must have been removed, no traces of iron smelting have been located in the Ngwenya area, although it is possible that more intense investigation would reveal some.

Off the net info that backs up my news clipping!

http://www.sntc.org.sz/cultural/ironmine.html <--- Now if you deny that um..... then you're in denial!

So now mister you don't have to say PLEASE, please yourself and read this

robertlouis

09-19-2011, 03:42 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about what arnie says giovanni, he's clearly a bit retarded.

What more proof do you need than this:

And a serving policeman here in the UK. That makes me ashamed.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 03:46 AM

The same motha fuckas that were laughing at carbon dating when I mentioned it where are their asses now! motha fuckas are stupid! They use carbon dating on a lot of shit, if you don't think so then one is lost as a motha fucka, and yeah that means you Dupre, you're dumb as shit! Shit is smarter than you because it knows it's SHIT! I see your ass didn't answer that question because you ain't built like that!

robertlouis

09-19-2011, 03:46 AM

Still,at least she hasn't been tarnished by fucking niggers. I can sleep at night knowing if I was to stick my cock up her arse no big smelly coon has been there before me.:party: No self respecting white man would knowingly fuck a girl who takes ebony.

I wouldn't give a fuck about her reviews ,I don't need her to do much apart from bend over or open her mouth.

I'm pretty sure that you're trying to provoke a reaction, which you've certainly done, but what you say here is utterly repellent. Go back and crawl under whatever shitty stone you call home. Shame on you.

jamesedwards

09-19-2011, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by arnie666
Still,at least she hasn't been tarnished by fucking niggers. I can sleep at night knowing if I was to stick my cock up her arse no big smelly coon has been there before me. No self respecting white man would knowingly fuck a girl who takes ebony.

I wouldn't give a fuck about her reviews ,I don't need her to do much apart from bend over or open her mouth

Now this is fucking racist! where the fuck is Omarz now? This is derogatory like a motha fucka, but I don't see motha fuckas saying shit! see. 666 I bet you wouldn't say that shit in front of me I would crack your fucking jaw into 31 pieces, you dumb motha fucka!