Racist "pls no black guys" bullshit ho

[Dino Velvet]

:dead: LOL
That's what I'm here for. Pennywise ain't got shit on me. :cheers:

[jamesedwards]

That's what I'm here for. Pennywise ain't got shit on me. :cheers:

I'm cutting my cable off why have it when you can entertain the shit out of us lol

[Dino Velvet]

LOL no offense, ummmmmmm well I have been raped many times by TGirls and even forced to give up the ass even if I didn't want to fuck. ASK ME IF I LIKED IT! lol hahah
Dam it's going to be hard to rape Kayden she is a hard born top! lol GOOD LUCK OR GODSPEED WITH THAT



I was careful not to offend you possibly making you thing you weren't worthy of being assraped.

[jamesedwards]

I was careful not to offend you possibly making you thing you weren't worthy of being assraped.

LOL well I may not be worthy but when Tgirls cocks get hot and they know you're a freak and they can fuck you in the ass they aint trying to hear anything worthy they trying to slide up in that ass and surround their cocks with warm, moist butthole. THEY WANNA FUCK and will rape that ass if they are confronted with the word NO. lol They aint having it. lol Rape with them is normal especially the dominant ones, they get off on that shit too.

[Dino Velvet]

LOL well I may not be worthy but when Tgirls cocks get hot and they know you're a freak and they can fuck you in the ass they aint trying to hear anything worthy they trying to slide up in that ass and surround their cocks with warm, moist butthole. THEY WANNA FUCK and will rape that ass if they are confronted with the word NO. lol They aint having it. lol Rape with them is normal especially the dominant ones, they get off on that shit too.

I'll take your word for it, James Edwards.

[Dino Velvet]

I was thinking that we all got together without the mods help and changed the ugly topic of racism to the more pleasant subject of rape. Now everyone's happy and purring like a kitten. See... we really can all get along.
All colors and creeds unite! Let's fuck the martians up their faggot asses!

[dderek123]

^Watch out for those fuckin' GAYliens!

[Dino Velvet]

This shit is so gross.

Shit can never be gross.

[OmarZ]

Most black man, dont bottom.

[loveboof]

Shit can never be gross.
Looks like a few years ago... how old was Paris when that was taken? lol


(eww btw)

[ValerieNelson]

Shit can never be gross.

Well, at least there aren't peanuts. :party::party:

[dgs925]

Shit can never be gross.


Ahhh, back to the "Ignore List" you go, Dino!

[RainMan]

This thread literally turned into shit

[Dino Velvet]

Ahhh, back to the "Ignore List" you go, Dino!

Gimme another chance. Trust me. I'm trustworthy.

[loveboof]

Faggot don't try it.

haha.. it was just a joke :whistle:

[Dino Velvet]

Paris knows we're all brown on the inside so she spends her time making her exterior look nice. I have a pit of blackened shit inside me so I can relate. Most people have an angel on one shoulder and a demon on the other. My stomach is an endless series of Hell In A Cell Matches between Dracula and Van Helsing. Van Helsing can't drive the stake into Dracula's heart and Dracula can't scare Van Helsing out of the castle either. Tums helps sometimes.

[giovanni_hotel]

Damn Dino. Wipe your ass.

[Dino Velvet]

Damn Dino. Wipe your ass.

Never. It's my chastity belt to keep weirdos from trying to push my shit in.

[ValerieNelson]

never. It's my chastity belt to keep weirdos from trying to push my shit in.

lol :)

[Dino Velvet]

lol :)

Bet you're spotless. Love to rail you in the butt, Valerie.

[ValerieNelson]

Bet you're spotless. Love to rail you in the butt, Valerie.

Awww, thanks Dino; but I'm pretty much a walking chastity belt. LOL.

[Dino Velvet]

Awww, thanks Dino; but I'm pretty much a walking chastity belt. LOL.

I'll bring a drill then I'll drill 'ya.



ValerieNelson: I'm top only.

Dino: Huh? Oh yeah, I only top. Yer right. Bend over, honey.

ValerieNelson: Ouch! That'll cost you 50 bucks extra!

Dino: No worries.

ValerieNelson: OOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!! OOOOOUCH!!! YOU ALMOST DONE?!?

[ValerieNelson]

I'll bring a drill then I'll drill 'ya.

LOL :party:


[Quote=ValerieNelson: I'm top only.

Dino: Huh? Oh yeah, I only top. Yer right. Bend over, honey.

ValerieNelson: Ouch! That'll cost you 50 bucks extra!

Dino: No worries.

ValerieNelson: OOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!! OOOOOUCH!!! YOU ALMOST DONE?!?[/Quote

Afterward a new thread shall be on HA, "Dino brings pain," or "Valerie loses her anal virginity." :wiggle::wiggle::wiggle:

[slingblade]

:Bowdown: LOL that too...



Oh, so you're gonna ride me? Cool.. I like that position too :)



Full top

If youre a full top then why did you even waste time trying to become a tranny? :confused:

[Jericho]

If youre a full top then why did you even waste time trying to become a tranny? :confused:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jo7lJoQhtjw/SV3UwnTcoPI/AAAAAAAADp0/00YcawXuTVU/s400/TV+ignorance+is+bliss.jpg

[Quiet Reflections]

If youre a full top then why did you even waste time trying to become a tranny? :confused:
If that is a serious question, then you are an idiot.

[robertlouis]

If that is a serious question, then you are an idiot.

Quite. Why do so many guys on here seem to think that a girl's transition is all about gratifying cockhounds' selfish needs?

[Quiet Reflections]

Quite. Why do so many guys on here seem to think that a girl's transition is all about gratifying cockhounds' selfish needs?
It seems to me that the guys that see the girls as a dirty fetish just assume that their transition has got to be for the same reason. They either don't know or forget that it is really about who these ladies are on the inside. I can only imagine what its like to be born into the wrong body and have to struggle to fit in my entire life only to have someone standing behind me jerking off and saying "Thats terrible, tell me more". I get that sometimes the girls feed into this but porn and prostitution is only a job. When they go home they are normal people with real feelings. To just think their entire life and decisions are based on how to get the next guy off and not a means to an end is just stupid.

[robertlouis]

It seems to me that the guys that see the girls as a dirty fetish just assume that their transition has got to be for the same reason. They either don't know or forget that it is really about who these ladies are on the inside. I can only imagine what its like to be born into the wrong body and have to struggle to fit in my entire life only to have someone standing behind me jerking off and saying "Thats terrible, tell me more". I get that sometimes the girls feed into this but porn and prostitution is only a job. When they go home they are normal people with real feelings. To just think their entire life and decisions are based on how to get the next guy off and not a means to an end is just stupid.

I agree entirely, but that attitude seems to be sadly pretty prevalent on HA. Hopefully it's just the younger guys, who will understand better as they mature.

[SirCumsAlot]

damn this thread still going on

[Dino Velvet]

damn this thread still going on

I tried to make it funny instead of hateful but no one would have it. The day I'm Gandhi this world must truly end. The diaper is a better fit for him as I'm more comfy in steel-toed boots.

[ValerieNelson]

I tried to make it funny instead of hateful but no one would have it. The day I'm Gandhi this world must truly end. The diaper is a better fit for him as I'm more comfy in steel-toed boots.

Let's talk about shit baby!!! Let's talk about TP for that Bunghole!!! :party::party::party: All the wipey times!!!

[Dino Velvet]

Let's talk about shit baby!!! Let's talk about TP for that Bunghole!!! :party::party::party: All the wipey times!!!

You're my inspiration as I am the Pablo Picasso of the water closet. Had some Korean BBQ too which plays tricks on my stomach.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/ExplosiveDiarrhea.gif

[ValerieNelson]

You're my inspiration as I am the Pablo Picasso of the water closet. Had some Korean BBQ too which plays tricks on my stomach.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/ExplosiveDiarrhea.gif

LMAO, please never eat Korean BBQ around me. . .EVER! :hide-1::hide-1::hide-1:

[Dino Velvet]

LMAO, please never eat Korean BBQ around me. . .EVER! :hide-1::hide-1::hide-1:

I inherited this dark sense of humor from an even darker place. My grandfather played a sad funeral dirge with a violin over the people that he tortured, raped, and slaughtered... then, shortly after, consumed. Good times in old Russia. God Bless The Czar. He was in on it too. lol

[jamesedwards]

I inherited this dark sense of humor from an even darker place. My grandfather played a sad funeral dirge with a violin over the people that he tortured, raped, and slaughtered... then, shortly after, consumed. Good times in old Russia. God Bless The Czar. He was in on it too. lol

:dead: YOU ARE ONE WILD DUDE :dead: lol

[KimberlyBanxxx]

You're my inspiration as I am the Pablo Picasso of the water closet. Had some Korean BBQ too which plays tricks on my stomach.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/ExplosiveDiarrhea.gif


:hide-1:

[Dino Velvet]

:hide-1:

Hi Kimberly.

[BlkJewels]

(back on topic). Black guys dont want her racist ass either. I bet she can shit out her dick.

[Dino Velvet]

I bet she can shit out her dick.

This man scratches his head and rubs his chin wondering if that's possible.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/04/05/human-centipede-trailer.jpg

[RainMan]

You're my inspiration as I am the Pablo Picasso of the water closet. Had some Korean BBQ too which plays tricks on my stomach.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/ExplosiveDiarrhea.gif

Comes into bathroom "WHO SHIT ALL OVER THE TOILET!?!?!"

[Dino Velvet]

Comes into bathroom "WHO SHIT ALL OVER THE TOILET!?!?!"

Look at the back wall. He autographed it.

[daidone]

only black people complain about people having a preference....call everyone racists, and try to keep people painted in corners....it's worked for them for many years now, why stop now?

[FreddieGomez]

If youre a full top then why did you even waste time trying to become a tranny? :confused:

forreal but it's like certain dudes only be into trannies for the dick whereas the other for the ass. there be two different types of dudes into trannies, the "gay" dudes who want the dick and that's it, and the "striaght" dude who want the ass and nothing to do wit the dick.....

Which one are ya'll?


bwahahahaa

[slingblade]

You wouldn't be on here if you didn't like dick dear.

Stop with the bullshit, you are not convincing anyone on here that you are straight....

Not all of us are intrested in dick! I mean I tolerate the dick on a tranny because that ass and head be so good most times but aint nobody gone fuck me I dont care how good they look and that includes real women with strap ons I just aint into it and it aint happening.

I think most of the guys that are into that and that trannies prey on are fat disfunctional white guys!

[FreddieGomez]

You wouldn't be on here if you didn't like dick dear.

Stop with the bullshit, you are not convincing anyone on here that you are straight....

well i've never been into dick soooooooo

THATS GREAT TO HEAR!

[justafreak]

she's a ho, who cares? give it time and anyone with 20 dollars will be able to fuck her.

[dgs925]

forreal but it's like certain dudes only be into trannies for the dick whereas the other for the ass. there be two different types of dudes into trannies, the "gay" dudes who want the dick and that's it, and the "striaght" dude who want the ass and nothing to do wit the dick.....

Which one are ya'll?


bwahahahaa


Not all of us are intrested in dick! I mean I tolerate the dick on a tranny because that ass and head be so good most times but aint nobody gone fuck me I dont care how good they look and that includes real women with strap ons I just aint into it and it aint happening.

I think most of the guys that are into that and that trannies prey on are fat disfunctional white guys!

Bullshit, you both want the dick just like the rest of us. The reason everyone on here calls you faggot is because it's so obvious that you are in denial. I think it must be fun to pick on the ones who are closeted even to themselves.

But really, I think we should just let you know, Freddy and sling both, that it's okay for you to like dick. It doesn't make you any less of a man. You are in a safe place, you should be more comfortable with yourselves.

ETA: In before "THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR"

[0utrageousss]

well i've never been into dick soooooooo

THATS GREAT TO HEAR!

Exactly! A real "straight" man is not into dick, even on the hottest TS! There are 3 billion FEMALES in the world, he would just go try to get one of them! I've been a girl since I was 14, trust me I know. You're just trying to "out-straight" everyone else and nobody is buying it. You are the biggest closeted homo on this board I have ever seen. STRAIGHT MEN DON'T LIKE DICK!

[slingblade]

Bullshit, you both want the dick just like the rest of us. The reason everyone on here calls you faggot is because it's so obvious that you are in denial. I think it must be fun to pick on the ones who are closeted even to themselves.

But really, I think we should just let you know, Freddy and sling both, that it's okay for you to like dick. It doesn't make you any less of a man. You are in a safe place, you should be more comfortable with yourselves.

ETA: In before "THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR"

Damn I didnt realize that this site was full of dick thirsty pillow bitters. I'm all man and homie dont play that! LOL

[FreddieGomez]

Exactly! A real "straight" man is not into dick, even on the hottest TS! There are 3 billion FEMALES in the world, he would just go try to get one of them! I've been a girl since I was 14, trust me I know. You're just trying to "out-straight" everyone else and nobody is buying it. You are the biggest closeted homo on this board I have ever seen. STRAIGHT MEN DON'T LIKE DICK!

trust me, i date females too.

and i'm still not into dick!

but THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR!

[RainMan]

I don't know why it's hard to believe that people don't want to be fucked or suck a dick

[FreddieGomez]

I don't know why it's hard to believe that people don't want to be fucked or suck a dick

They GENERALIZE every dude! Not every dude into trannies want them because they got a dick. i'd even still fuck a post-op. most dudes into trannies wouldnt say that!

and I KNOW i ain't 100% straight if i like trannies, but i know i aint gay either!

[RainMan]

They GENERALIZE every dude! Not every dude into trannies want them because they got a dick. i'd even still fuck a post-op. most dudes into trannies wouldnt say that!

It's funny cause you'd think on a site that's different people would be more open to the possibility that a person might like a TS cause she look good

[FreddieGomez]

It's funny cause you'd think on a site that's different people would be more open to the possibility that a person might like a TS cause she look good

and if all these trannies be havin ass, what makes them think dick is on my mind? shit...fuck outta here....

stop generalizin every damn dude!

[FreddieGomez]

0utrageousss YO MIRA NO TE ENCOJONEZ SI TU GATA QUIERE ESTA CONMIGO!!!!!

[RainMan]

and if all these trannies be havin ass, what makes them think dick is on my mind? shit...fuck outta here....

stop generalizin every damn dude!

I agree, everybody on here would be called gay because there into trannies, but then those that don't care about the dick part or want to be fucked are called closet homos..... Lmao

[Silcc69]

A woman does not cum like a man. You want to see a gushing geyser of white cum I suggest you watch gay porn.

What you people need to realize is that for a lot of trans, stopping puberty is the beginning of transition.

More and more girls are starting their hormones earlier, eventually you will not see girls juices at all... Better get used to it now.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[dgs925]

Damn I didnt realize that this site was full of dick thirsty pillow bitters. I'm all man and homie dont play that! LOL

You are still a man even though you want the dick, it's OK. And Ashley is 100% correct in this case: You wouldn't be on this site looking at transsexuals if you weren't interested in the dick. Maybe you don't suck the dick, maybe you don't even touch the dick, but if you didn't at least want to look at the dick then you would find a woman without a dick. They aren't hard to find.

To repeat, liking the dick doesn't make you any less of a man.

[Silcc69]

You are still a man even though you want the dick, it's OK. And Ashley is 100% correct in this case: You wouldn't be on this site looking at transsexuals if you weren't interested in the dick. Maybe you don't suck the dick, maybe you don't even touch the dick, but if you didn't at least want to look at the dick then you would find a woman without a dick. They aren't hard to find.

To repeat, liking the dick doesn't make you any less of a man.

Guy's who are in it for the dick make comments about the dick all of the time. I don't remember Freddie making comments about what ts has a great dick or that. They guy has come across as an asshole at times but never a size queen.

[dgs925]

But, Silcc, can you think of a reason for them to be here if they aren't interested, at least a little, in the dick? Just because he isn't a size queen, which btw not all of us cockhounds are like Ben - some of us appreciate a small package also. I think Freddy and sling are afraid to admit to themselves that they are not as turned off by the dick as they act like - as they wish they were.

I repeat: If they really were 100% interested in the transsexuals for their bodies and faces and wished the cock wasn't there, they would be focusing on the women born without penises. Women born without penises outnumber the women born with penises by what? A thousand to one? More? Penisless women (i.e. genetic girls) have the same beautiful faces and bodies, but just one external difference.

TGirls are much much rarer than genetic women. Therefore getting with one requires a lot more effort. So if Freddy or sling are willing to put in that effort, why is that? I think that, even if they don't want to touch or suck the dick, they like to look at it. They like it being there, but they've been raised to believe that gay=sissy=not a man, so they tell themselves that they don't like it at all.

I've heard Freddy (or some other) say they only go after tgirls because they like ass better than pussy, and tgirls are more likely to give up the ass. But I don't buy that. I think that genetic girls who take it up the ass still outnumber tgirls by a hundred to one.

[sucka4chix]

Such rampant hypocrisy!! For every girl that wants to shrivel her dick because she loathes it, there will always be girls who love their dicks and still others who are ambivalent. Some of you generalize all girls but cry about guys being generalized. To jump into the fray, it doesn't make you gay to like girls who were born boys and have cocks that you ignore, but it does make you crazy. You are brain damaged! It's one thing to get fooled, but to seek out something that YOU KNOW has the very flaw that you claim to dislike cannot be logically defended. It'd be like saying you hate short women but perusing midgethotties.com!
Now to get back on topic-- I saw an ad where a girl said "I AM NOT A BLACK GIRL. I am a Latina". Is that racist?? Insulting?? Seems at least unnecessary.

[dgs925]

Guy's who are in it for the dick make comments about the dick all of the time. I don't remember Freddie making comments about what ts has a great dick or that. They guy has come across as an asshole at times but never a size queen.


Also, Freddy does talk about the dick all the time. He's just as obsessed with it as the rest of us. But with him, it's always "Man, you white dudes sure are some faggots" and "You white dudes just like that dick, don't you?" and "We brothers don't take it up the ass like you white dudes"

[Silcc69]

Also, Freddy does talk about the dick all the time. He's just as obsessed with it as the rest of us. But with him, it's always "Man, you white dudes sure are some faggots" and "You white dudes just like that dick, don't you?" and "We brothers don't take it up the ass like you white dudes"

There are black guys that take it up the ass. I don't think Freddie has gone to Madison's site. But if you go to any mainstream tranny porno site you will be hard pressed to see very many black guys on those sites. But anyways I have sucked dick before(will do it whenever) have bottomed before (hated it). I got into TS mainly because I was amazed at how pretty some of there are to be born as men. But I was a member at SS and I was amazed at how a lot of the guys jsut wanted girls that had rock hard cocks that shot gobs and gobs of cum. Having a 12 inch dick with a buckets of cum does nothing for me unless you look good as hell.

[dgs925]

There are black guys that take it up the ass. I don't think Freddie has gone to Madison's site. But if you go to any mainstream tranny porno site you will be hard pressed to see very many black guys on those sites. But anyways I have sucked dick before(will do it whenever) have bottomed before (hated it). I got into TS mainly because I was amazed at how pretty some of there are to be born as men. But I was a member at SS and I was amazed at how a lot of the guys jsut wanted girls that had rock hard cocks that shot gobs and gobs of cum. Having a 12 inch dick with a buckets of cum does nothing for me unless you look good as hell.


I wasn't debating the merits of his argument, obviously there are white guys who like dick and there are black guys that like dick - just like there are people of both genders that don't. I was just using that as an example to say that Freddy is just as cock-centered as others but he can't admit it to himself. So he tries to belittle other people to accentuate his straightness.

I agree that a girl needs to be hot first. Being cute but with a so/so cock is a lot better than being hung like a horse but ugly as one too. But that's just my opinion - I have others: I prefer a natural look over an exaggerated one. So I'd take Mandy or Bella over Kimber or Allanah, just like I'd take Hazel over Mint.

[0utrageousss]

0utrageousss YO MIRA NO TE ENCOJONEZ SI TU GATA QUIERE ESTA CONMIGO!!!!!

I don't speech Spanish you fucking moron.

[0utrageousss]

Also, Freddy does talk about the dick all the time. He's just as obsessed with it as the rest of us. But with him, it's always "Man, you white dudes sure are some faggots" and "You white dudes just like that dick, don't you?" and "We brothers don't take it up the ass like you white dudes"

Exactly! She is such a homo. I don't care if guys are cocksuckers, good for them...what I hate is hypocrisy and people who are closeted. IF everyone was just honest with what they like,it wouldn't matter... so I will never have respect for the FreddyGomez types of the world. Thats a scared, cum guzzling little bitch right there.

[Silcc69]

Exactly! She is such a homo. I don't care if guys are cocksuckers, good for them...what I hate is hypocrisy and people who are closeted. IF everyone was just honest with what they like,it wouldn't matter... so I will never have respect for the FreddyGomez types of the world. Thats a scared, cum guzzling little bitch right there.

Why do you have so many profiles?

[FreddieGomez]

I don't speech Spanish you fucking moron.

that's why i said it in spanish

[FreddieGomez]

Guy's who are in it for the dick make comments about the dick all of the time. I don't remember Freddie making comments about what ts has a great dick or that. They guy has come across as an asshole at times but never a size queen.

nigga when have i ever? NEVER once! Shit! These trannies live in fasntasy worlds where they make up their own analogies, laws, theories....smh!!!!!!

[FreddieGomez]

There are black guys that take it up the ass. I don't think Freddie has gone to Madison's site. But if you go to any mainstream tranny porno site you will be hard pressed to see very many black guys on those sites. But anyways I have sucked dick before(will do it whenever) have bottomed before (hated it). I got into TS mainly because I was amazed at how pretty some of there are to be born as men. But I was a member at SS and I was amazed at how a lot of the guys jsut wanted girls that had rock hard cocks that shot gobs and gobs of cum. Having a 12 inch dick with a buckets of cum does nothing for me unless you look good as hell.

hell naw! she too manly for me to ever consider the thought! fuck outta here. i dont give a fuck if another nigga bottoms or not, that aint my problem or my thang and i know alot of dudes be wit me on that! i dont have to dignify why or how, it's my prerogative! do all trannies like to top? No! so why would u assume all dudes into trannies want to bottom?

[Silcc69]

nigga when have i ever? NEVER once! Shit! These trannies live in fasntasy worlds where they make up their own analogies, laws, theories....smh!!!!!!

Nigga I never said you had made in any comment about liking dick or anything liek that.


hell naw! she too manly for me to ever consider the thought! fuck outta here. i dont give a fuck if another nigga bottoms or not, that aint my problem or my thang and i know alot of dudes be wit me on that! i dont have to dignify why or how, it's my prerogative! do all trannies like to top? No! so why would u assume all dudes into trannies want to bottom?

WTF are you talking about lol. But u did say TS aren't passable if they don't have hip n azz and Madison gotta wholelotta hips n azz.

[FreddieGomez]

Nigga I never said you had made in any comment about liking dick or anything liek that.



WTF are you talking about lol. But u did say TS aren't passable if they don't have hip n azz and Madison gotta wholelotta hips n azz.

yeah but in her case it dont look good because she got the gut of a man

[Kayden Harley]

there be two different types of dudes into trannies, the "gay" dudes who want the dick and that's it, and the "striaght" dude who want the ass and nothing to do wit the dick.....

bwahahahaa


I think most of the guys that are into that and that trannies prey on are fat disfunctional white guys!


Damn I didnt realize that this site was full of dick thirsty pillow bitters. I'm all man and homie dont play that! LOL


They GENERALIZE every dude! Not every dude into trannies want them because they got a dick. i'd even still fuck a post-op. most dudes into trannies wouldnt say that!

It's so ironic that the guys calling MEN who are into bottoming "gay", are the same guys who are crying because they feel they're being 'generalized'.

You get what you give. (ignorance) :jerkoff


and I KNOW i ain't 100% straight

:iagree:


There are black guys that take it up the ass. But anyways I have sucked dick before(will do it whenever) have bottomed before (hated it). I got into TS mainly because I was amazed at how pretty some of there are to be born as men.

LOTS of respect for you after reading that. Most guys won't put it the way you did there.


well i've never been into dick soooooooo


Yeah you are.. otherwise you wouldn't be on a Tgirl site.

[0utrageousss]

that's why i said it in spanish

Spierdalaj suka

[FreddieGomez]

It's so ironic that the guys calling MEN who are into bottoming "gay", are the same guys who are crying because they feel they're being 'generalized'.

You get what you give. :jerkoff



:iagree:



LOTS of respect for you after reading that. Most guys won't put it the way you did there.



Yeah you are.. otherwise you wouldn't be on a Tgirl site.

and you're a hormone free tranny? aint that an oxymoron? that's a transvestite not a tranny....

mind your own business

[Silcc69]

and you're a hormone free tranny? aint that an oxymoron? that's a transvestite not a tranny....

mind your own business

So basically TV Kim and Kayden are one in the same?

[FreddieGomez]

Spierdalaj suka

dime?

[FreddieGomez]

So basically TV Kim and Kayden are one in the same?

yezzir!!!!!!!!

[Kayden Harley]

and you're a hormone free tranny? aint that an oxymoron? that's a transvestite not a tranny....

mind your own business

actually closet case, I AM on hormones. Remember you tried to say that before then deleted your post after you did some math?

You're in a public forum, if you don't want people to comment on your ignorance and hypocrisy, talk your shit in a PM.

Btw Trans(vestite) (sexual) both = Tranny. :geek:

[FreddieGomez]

actually closet case, I AM on hormones. Remember you tried to say that before then deleted your post after you did some math?

You're in a public forum, if you don't want people to comment on your ignorance and hypocrisy, talk your shit in a PM.

Btw Trans(vestite) (sexual) both = Tranny. :geek:

i saw your youtube and it said "hormones free" which technically makes you a transvestite.


MissKaydenHarley's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/MissKaydenHarley#p/u/1/ts7mXcI6tvQ)

And in your shemaleyum pics u didnt have titties.

[Kayden Harley]

i saw your youtube and it said "hormones free" which technically makes you a transvestite. And in your shemaleyum pics u didnt have titties.

I'm on my 3rd month or HRT moron. Hence why the last video that says I was Hormone Free was dated July 2011.

[Silcc69]

Kayden, you do live your life as a lady 24/7 right?

[FreddieGomez]

good to hear!

anyways....

[Kayden Harley]

Kayden, you do live your life as a lady 24/7 right?

As of 5 months ago, yes.

[Kayden Harley]

good to hear!

anyways....

Yes back to the important stuff... You're a gay.

[FreddieGomez]

Yes back to the important stuff... You're a gay.

great to hear!

[Silcc69]

LOL @Freddie

Hopefully since Kayden is on mones now she will become more of a bottom.

[Kayden Harley]

LOL @Freddie

Hopefully since Kayden is on mones now she will become more of a bottom.

Don't count on it Silcc! lol

[0utrageousss]

great to hear!

Is that all you can say faggot?

[Kayden Harley]

Is that all you can say faggot?

remember when we were small, and someone would call us 'gay boy' and we'd say "I know you are but what am I?" Well, look at us now shooting mones into our asses.

Same deal with Francesca .. I mean Freddie. Give her a few years, she'll come along and feel comfortable in her own skin.

[OmarZ]

As of 5 months ago, yes.

any changes you noticed, in your personality?

[Kayden Harley]

any changes you noticed, in your personality?

I haven't. But friends tell me my personality has changed.

[Jackal]

I haven't. But friends tell me my personality has changed.

Maybe some of your mannerism or temperament has, but not your personality.

[RainMan]

I haven't. But friends tell me my personality has changed.

Are you more open? Like what are they saying changed about your personality

[OmarZ]

I haven't. But friends tell me my personality has changed.

in what way?


you got cuter in the pics

[Dino Velvet]

I saw a video of Kayden on the computer once. She's a girl. I've never seen a more girly thing done to a fella in my whole life. I think I'll watch again. :jerkoff

[Kayden Harley]

Maybe some of your mannerism or temperament has, but not your personality.


Are you more open? Like what are they saying changed about your personality


in what way?


you got cuter in the pics

Thanks OmarZ

The mood swings kicked in really fast after my first shot. A friend told me i've become a lot colder since starting HRT too. Honestly, I haven't notiviced it, but I've heard a few similar opinions from friends.


I saw a video of Kayden on the computer once. She's a girl. I've never seen a more girly thing done to a fella in my whole life. I think I'll watch again. :jerkoff

Lol thanks Dino

[OmarZ]

Thanks OmarZ

The mood swings kicked in really fast after my first shot. A friend told me i've become a lot colder since starting HRT too. Honestly, I haven't notiviced it, but I've heard a few similar opinions from friends.



Lol thanks Dino

Nice, boys like that attitude, and thus do I... lol

[Dino Velvet]

Lol thanks Dino

No problem. I wish you would do that to me sometime. I'm a nice fella too.:cheers:

[OmarZ]

No problem. I wish you would do that to me sometime. I'm a nice fella too.:cheers:

Hey dino, check out Shock Corridor, Blu Ray is out on Criterion

[Dino Velvet]

Hey dino, check out Shock Corridor, Blu Ray is out on Criterion

I might. Always like a good movie recommendation. Thanks.

Shock Corridor (1963) - IMDb@@AMEPARAM@@http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTczNzkxNTUwNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTIyMTM5._V1._ SX100_SY140_.jpg@@AMEPARAM@@BMTczNzkxNTUwNl5BMl5Ba nBnXkFtZTYwOTIyMTM5@@AMEPARAM@@SX100@@AMEPARAM@@SY 140 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057495/)

Shock Corridor 1963 Samuel Fuller trailer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2RY7ln-wI)

[nightshift]

Black people smell like cornbread and feet.

Ewwwwww....
I'm not sure why I laughed at that because it's inappropriate and rude.....but it's also funny as hell.

[OmarZ]

I might. Always like a good movie recommendation. Thanks.

Shock Corridor (1963) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057495/)

Shock Corridor 1963 Samuel Fuller trailer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2RY7ln-wI)

check it out for sure, fun, but also smart, and really subversive for the early 60s

Shock Corridor: Trent - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpuJaTA7Txk)

[Dino Velvet]

Just finished watching the trailer. I'm buying it for sure. Looks like the Citizen Kane of the Sanitarium-sploitation Genre. I'll definitely need to get my head right before putting the disc into the tray. :smoking

Amazon.com: Shock Corridor (The Criterion Collection) [Blu-ray]: Peter Breck, Constance Towers, Gene Evans, James Best, Hari Rhodes, Samuel Fuller: Movies & TV@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QrnhrGaUL.@@AMEPARAM@@51QrnhrGaUL (http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Corridor-Criterion-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B0047P5FT0/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1317421550&sr=1-2)

[SammiValentine]

This is about as racey as it can get.

Catch the pigeon catch the pigeon.....

Wacky Races - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVsbMP5bDCA&feature=related)

[lisaparadise]

Well, look at us now shooting mones into our asses.
.funny i dont remember reading that on my bottle,oh well ill just swallow them like i always do.

[OmarZ]

Just finished watching the trailer. I'm buying it for sure. Looks like the Citizen Kane of the Sanitarium-sploitation Genre. I'll definitely need to get my head right before putting the disc into the tray. :smoking

Amazon.com: Shock Corridor (The Criterion Collection) [Blu-ray]: Peter Breck, Constance Towers, Gene Evans, James Best, Hari Rhodes, Samuel Fuller: Movies & TV (http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Corridor-Criterion-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B0047P5FT0/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1317421550&sr=1-2)

It really is!

[Dino Velvet]

It really is!

Don't worry. I'm sold. I want you to see A Serbian Film now. I know I'm like a broken record but that film must be seen by everyone. 104 minute version only.

[runningdownthatdream]

Don't worry. I'm sold. I want you to see A Serbian Film now. I know I'm like a broken record but that film must be seen by everyone. 104 minute version only.

Indeed!

[OmarZ]

Don't worry. I'm sold. I want you to see A Serbian Film now. I know I'm like a broken record but that film must be seen by everyone. 104 minute version only.

Saw it ages ago! As well as Hobo with a Shotgun.

[Dino Velvet]

Saw it ages ago! As well as Hobo with a Shotgun.

Hobo with a Shotgun is another good one. Anyone into Troma should pick it up.

[FreddieGomez]

Is that all you can say faggot?
nevermind
but GLAD TO HEAR!

[loveboof]

Exactly! She is such a homo. I don't care if guys are cocksuckers, good for them...what I hate is hypocrisy and people who are closeted. IF everyone was just honest with what they like,it wouldn't matter... so I will never have respect for the FreddyGomez types of the world. Thats a scared, cum guzzling little bitch right there.

Yeah that sounds fair enough; except if someone is genuinely deluded about what they like then they will think they are being honest.

And in those cases, I don't think it will be helpful to attempt to force some realisation on them because that will only increase their resistance to a 'truth' which is still subjective anyway.

I don't think sexuality is as cut and dry as gay/straight/bi. I've said it before on here, but I'll keep saying it if I have to.

I think some tgirls are really hot, but on the whole I prefer girls. I don't have an interest in being topped, but I can admit that cocks sometimes turn me on (not always). I do not find men or masculinity attractive, so as far as I'm concerned I cannot be gay or bi. If you guys need to create some label other than 'straight' in order to validate your own issues then go ahead, but you can't expect the people who are like me to appreciate being forced into some sexuality category which you feel is appropriate when only we know what is going on in our own head.

[FreddieGomez]

Yeah that sounds fair enough; except if someone is genuinely deluded about what they like then they will think they are being honest.

And in those cases, I don't think it will be helpful to attempt to force some realisation on them because that will only increase their resistance to a 'truth' which is still subjective anyway.

I don't think sexuality is as cut and dry as gay/straight/bi. I've said it before on here, but I'll keep saying it if I have to.

I think some tgirls are really hot, but on the whole I prefer girls. I don't have an interest in being topped, but I can admit that cocks sometimes turn me on (not always). I do not find men or masculinity attractive, so as far as I'm concerned I cannot be gay or bi. If you guys need to create some label other than 'straight' in order to validate your own issues then go ahead, but you can't expect the people who are like me to appreciate being forced into some sexuality category which you feel is appropriate when only we know what is going on in our own head.

alot of these chicks like to generalize dudes....i dont care, i know what i like and i dont have to dignify it to anyone! if i like trannies but dont like dick, so fucking what.....NOT ALL TRANNIES WANT TO BE TOPS AND NOT ALL DUDES INTO TRANNIE WANT TO BE BOTTOMS! Stop being so damn closed mined and ignant!

misery loves company!

[Silcc69]

alot of these chicks like to generalize dudes....i dont care, i know what i like and i dont have to dignify it to anyone! if i like trannies but dont like dick, so fucking what.....NOT ALL TRANNIES WANT TO BE TOPS AND NOT ALL DUDES INTO TRANNIE WANT TO BE BOTTOMS! Stop being so damn closed mined and ignant!

misery loves company!

Kettle meet pot.

[onmyknees]

alot of these chicks like to generalize dudes....i dont care, i know what i like and i dont have to dignify it to anyone! if i like trannies but dont like dick, so fucking what.....NOT ALL TRANNIES WANT TO BE TOPS AND NOT ALL DUDES INTO TRANNIE WANT TO BE BOTTOMS! Stop being so damn closed mined and ignant!

misery loves company!


I'm still not getting it. Look it's your bizz ...you like what you like, but there's something more than meets the eye with your deal and that's why folks rag you. You like Trans Women, but you don't like the dick....hmmmmmmmm...but the problem is they have one. So why not stop the torment and just chase GG's ? Problem solved. Unless of course there's something else going on.

[onmyknees]

alot of these chicks like to generalize dudes....i dont care, i know what i like and i dont have to dignify it to anyone! if i like trannies but dont like dick, so fucking what.....NOT ALL TRANNIES WANT TO BE TOPS AND NOT ALL DUDES INTO TRANNIE WANT TO BE BOTTOMS! Stop being so damn closed mined and ignant!

misery loves company!

I'm still not getting it. Look it's your bizz ...you like what you like, but there's something more than meets the eye with your deal and that's why folks rag you. You like Trans Women, but you don't like the dick....hmmmmmmmm...but the problem is they have one. So why not stop the torment and just chase GG's ? Problem solved. Unless of course there's something else going on.

[russtafa]

alot of these chicks like to generalize dudes....i dont care, i know what i like and i dont have to dignify it to anyone! if i like trannies but dont like dick, so fucking what.....NOT ALL TRANNIES WANT TO BE TOPS AND NOT ALL DUDES INTO TRANNIE WANT TO BE BOTTOMS! Stop being so damn closed mined and ignant!

misery loves company!Freddie is cool guy and all ways says what he means without the bullshit

[Nicole Dupre]

Actually, some guys really don't care about dick, and LOVE transsexuals. They like hyper-femininity. The problem with this forum is, you're trying to paint the big picture of sexuality with a limited palette. You approach this stuff as either "gay" or "straight", and it's really not. I'd have no issues with saying tranny sex is gay sex, but it's just not. "Homosexual" is a concept only created about a hundred years ago. State-of-the-art transsexuality is a phenomenon less than 100 years old. But before "homosexuality", the assholes who created that word called it "sodomy", as in "Sodom and Gomorrah", as in Abrahamic non-procreational sex. If it was as simple as either being gay or straight, I'd call pre-op tranny sex "gay".

But sex with transsexuals is not gay. You can call it perversion or degeneracy, but gay is two people of the same gender either having sex or wanting to have sex with one another. There are also degrees of gayness. A man who would have sex with Janet Reno is more gay than a man who would have sex with... say... Tula. Sucking cock is not exactly a homosexual act. It's sodomy, for sure. But so is cunnilingus is the State of Kansas... but not between two women. lol I'm not kidding. But is sucking a cock faggy? Sure it is. Is it queer? lol Yes. Very. But it's not homosexuality. Sorry. If you close your eyes, you can enjoy receiving oral from ANYONE.

And no one listen to OMK EVER. He's just a big faggot closet case. Freddie is far more straight than OMK, if he actually doesn't care about sucking dicks. Freddie may often be ignorant, but that doesn't reflect on his sexuality. OMK is a submissive cocksucker. I've encountered thousands of them. He's a sodomite, a pervert, a degenerate, a total closet case faggot, and a big queer. But he may not be a homosexual. If he was, I'd gladly say so.

But there are too many sex-crazed retards on HA to ever discuss this properly. There are people walking around with medical degrees who put their foot in their mouth on this topic. I'd just drop it.

[Prospero]

Leaving aside Nicole's jabs at people who I have no knowledge or interest in. I'd have to pretty much agree with her summation on the issue of gay, homosexual etc. Ultimately though does it matter! A constant and recurring topic here is the "Am I gay?" fear. What would it matter if the asker was/ We are all complicated individual and sexuality is a very wide spectrum - from gay men whose only interest is having violent sex with other leather clad and hairy fat men, through men who love to bottom,men who liked to be tied up and tortured and whatever to men who are only interested in ultra feminine GGs... and everything in between. Des it matter where you are on that spectrum - and how you enjoy your sex providing no gets hurt (unless that is their choice), providing children are not involved.... providing rape is not on the agenda etc. As Aleister Crowley famously said "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law."

[Nicole Dupre]

Leaving aside Nicole's jabs at people who I have no knowledge or interest in. I'd have to pretty much agree with her summation on the issue of gay, homosexual etc. Ultimately though does it matter! A constant and recurring topic here is the "Am I gay?" fear. What would it matter if the asker was/ We are all complicated individual and sexuality is a very wide spectrum - from gay men whose only interest is having violent sex with other leather clad and hairy fat men, through men who love to bottom,men who liked to be tied up and tortured and whatever to men who are only interested in ultra feminine GGs... and everything in between. Des it matter where you are on that spectrum - and how you enjoy your sex providing no gets hurt (unless that is their choice), providing children are not involved.... providing rape is not on the agenda etc. As Aleister Crowley famously said "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law."
Aleister Crowley? lol Aleister Crowley advocated killing children, and it's most likely that he did. He wasn't exactly Dr Ruth. So who needs his advice?

I discussing terminology, not morality.

[slingblade]

Do we really need to get into this????
Don't make me start taking down your lies pa.



Uh huh, then get off hungangels and go fuck a female.



RIGHT!



You a DAMN LIE NIGGA!



If your looking for a tranny you have a sexual interest in the dick.


Awe no I like the head game and the ass! Maybe youve been fucking too many homosexual men? All I know if you bring your silly ass around me with that bullshit im gone slap you on your ass push you down on your stomach rip them panties off and fuck the shit out of that fat ass deep and hard with my hands on your neck!

[Prospero]

Nicole....Did he advocate killing children? God - i didn't know that. I know little of him but like that phrase Nicole - in general terms.

And of course you were discussing terminology. i sorta slipped from that to behaviour. Anywhichway - i believe that as long as the innocent and others re not harmed then who you sleep with, and the sort o sex you have is essentially not up for censure by others - and frankly I don't care if people call me a homo, a fag, a queer or whatever.

[lisaparadise]

Freddie is cool guy and all ways says what he means without the bullshiti agree freddie is a cool dude and a good father who loves his kid although i do love to razz him now and then lol its only because he seems genuine and honest.

[onmyknees]

Actually, some guys really don't care about dick, and LOVE transsexuals. They like hyper-femininity. The problem with this forum is, you're trying to paint the big picture of sexuality with a limited palette. You approach this stuff as either "gay" or "straight", and it's really not. I'd have no issues with saying tranny sex is gay sex, but it's just not. "Homosexual" is a concept only created about a hundred years ago. State-of-the-art transsexuality is a phenomenon less than 100 years old. But before "homosexuality", the assholes who created that word called it "sodomy", as in "Sodom and Gomorrah", as in Abrahamic non-procreational sex. If it was as simple as either being gay or straight, I'd call pre-op tranny sex "gay".

But sex with transsexuals is not gay. You can call it perversion or degeneracy, but gay is two people of the same gender either having sex or wanting to have sex with one another. There are also degrees of gayness. A man who would have sex with Janet Reno is more gay than a man who would have sex with... say... Tula. Sucking cock is not exactly a homosexual act. It's sodomy, for sure. But so is cunnilingus is the State of Kansas... but not between two women. lol I'm not kidding. But is sucking a cock faggy? Sure it is. Is it queer? lol Yes. Very. But it's not homosexuality. Sorry. If you close your eyes, you can enjoy receiving oral from ANYONE.

And no one listen to OMK EVER. He's just a big faggot closet case. Freddie is far more straight than OMK, if he actually doesn't care about sucking dicks. Freddie may often be ignorant, but that doesn't reflect on his sexuality. OMK is a submissive cocksucker. I've encountered thousands of them. He's a sodomite, a pervert, a degenerate, a total closet case faggot, and a big queer. But he may not be a homosexual. If he was, I'd gladly say so.

But there are too many sex-crazed retards on HA to ever discuss this properly. There are people walking around with medical degrees who put their foot in their mouth on this topic. I'd just drop it.

There goes the neighborhood....ND is back. Hey Bitch....didn't I tell you that you could take the weekend off from your amateur physiatrist gig? Maybe meet some friends for dinner and drinks or visit an art opening...ya know since you're into the finer things in life....like talking shit and trolling a forum filled with social misfits who make the perfect patients for you . What a fucking joke you've become. You were doin' so good for about a week...then apparently went off your meds, so I guess we're in for another week or so of you tirades? It's gettin' old...just like Nicole Dupree is...But unlike so many others in here who either ignore your rants, or just don't comment for fear of you having a melt down on them....I'll confront your bullshit each and every time you bring my name into it, and stay with it for as long as you care to. That's the way to deal with a sick bully. You're a confirmed psychopath with a foul mouth, and a fouler disposition....go fuck your miserable self in a dark room...alone, and take your tailgate physco analysis bullshit somewhere there's a captive audience. You're one fucked up individual...and the funniest fucking part? You have the balls to pass judgement on others, but that's part of your disorder... LMAO....

[loveboof]

[...] your amateur physiatrist gig? [...] and take your tailgate physco analysis bullshit somewhere there's a captive audience.

Do you mean psychiatrist? and psycho? ;)

[jamesedwards]

Freddie is cool guy and all ways says what he means without the bullshit

What's going on! Yeah Freddie goes in on shit LMao

[jamesedwards]

Dam he went in on ND :dead:

[jamesedwards]

I see the more people keep talking about confused shit the more confusing it gets. I love to fuck TGirls and GG's I am not gay, I am a free sexual spirit, a Tri-Sexual! I will try some new sexual shit!

[jamesedwards]

I'm still not getting it. Look it's your bizz ...you like what you like, but there's something more than meets the eye with your deal and that's why folks rag you. You like Trans Women, but you don't like the dick....hmmmmmmmm...but the problem is they have one. So why not stop the torment and just chase GG's ? Problem solved. Unless of course there's something else going on.

onmyknees <----Great fucking analyzation!!! :iagree:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Wow @ this thread..................

Not for nothing the chick that posted the ad isn't all that, definitely not hot enough to make this thread go as many pages as it did before it evolved into something "else". Nonetheless let's look at it from another point........ she's doing dudes a FAVOR!!!!!!!
Let's say a thug type did call her up and she hadn't posted that in her thread and he did act foolishly upon arrival; he'd get bad service...... and his money (even if he was trying to get the infamous "my dick is big so why should I pay more?" service) would've been wasted.... which would be fair BUT the next college degree, 9to5 working, white collar position having, pays his taxes on time, ears like Obama negro that stepped in the door ALSO would've gotten bad service...... and for that I say THANK YOU for being yourself bitch......

;)
-JWBL

[runningdownthatdream]

Leaving aside Nicole's jabs at people who I have no knowledge or interest in. I'd have to pretty much agree with her summation on the issue of gay, homosexual etc. Ultimately though does it matter! A constant and recurring topic here is the "Am I gay?" fear. What would it matter if the asker was/ We are all complicated individual and sexuality is a very wide spectrum - from gay men whose only interest is having violent sex with other leather clad and hairy fat men, through men who love to bottom,men who liked to be tied up and tortured and whatever to men who are only interested in ultra feminine GGs... and everything in between. Des it matter where you are on that spectrum - and how you enjoy your sex providing no gets hurt (unless that is their choice), providing children are not involved.... providing rape is not on the agenda etc. As Aleister Crowley famously said "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law."

Quoting a degenerate like Crowley to make such a point is rather odd. In effect Crowley perverted the Wiccan Rede "An it harm none, do what ye will" to his own "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law". Notice he left out the 'an it harm non' part?

[Nicole Dupre]

Crowley, in his 1929 book, "Magick In Theory & Practice":

“It was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of this animal this energy is liberated suddenly. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.”

[Prospero]

Nicole - thank you. I will not be praising this guy again.

[Nicole Dupre]

There goes the neighborhood....ND is back. Hey Bitch....didn't I tell you that you could take the weekend off from your amateur physiatrist gig? Maybe meet some friends for dinner and drinks or visit an art opening...ya know since you're into the finer things in life....like talking shit and trolling a forum filled with social misfits who make the perfect patients for you . What a fucking joke you've become. You were doin' so good for about a week...then apparently went off your meds, so I guess we're in for another week or so of you tirades? It's gettin' old...just like Nicole Dupree is...But unlike so many others in here who either ignore your rants, or just don't comment for fear of you having a melt down on them....I'll confront your bullshit each and every time you bring my name into it, and stay with it for as long as you care to. That's the way to deal with a sick bully. You're a confirmed psychopath with a foul mouth, and a fouler disposition....go fuck your miserable self in a dark room...alone, and take your tailgate physco analysis bullshit somewhere there's a captive audience. You're one fucked up individual...and the funniest fucking part? You have the balls to pass judgement on others, but that's part of your disorder... LMAO....

"Blah-bluh-blah-buh-blah-blah blah." Homo, please. I don't care what you say, or how you feel about me. Are you serious? lol I'm not censoring myself for you. lol

Faggot.

[Nicole Dupre]

The DL - Amy Winehouse &#39;You Know I&#39;m No Good&#39; Live! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmV6_oc2lwM)

[Kayden Harley]

The DL - Amy Winehouse 'You Know I'm No Good' Live! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmV6_oc2lwM)

aw, good choice ND! I <3 Amy :)

[FreddieGomez]

And no one listen to OMK EVER. He's just a big faggot closet case. Freddie is far more straight than OMK, if he actually doesn't care about sucking dicks. Freddie may often be ignorant, but that doesn't reflect on his sexuality. OMK is a submissive cocksucker. I've encountered thousands of them. He's a sodomite, a pervert, a degenerate, a total closet case faggot, and a big queer. But he may not be a homosexual. If he was, I'd gladly say so.

.

haaaaaaaa good lookin out

[Nicole Dupre]

Dam he went in on ND :dead:
You're pretty easily amused, you big fairy. lol Why don't you give your new white ZZ Top looking BF a big kiss, and ask him for a ride on the back of his Harley? You'll try anything, like a good faggot should. lol

[Silcc69]

http://www.mxdwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/show_tickets_zz-top_130288296167.png

[Nicole Dupre]

Yeah, but I LIKE ZZ Top. They're actually pretty good. :-)

ZZ Top - Got Me Under Pressure - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRB12zrNgM)

But OMK is a closet fag, and I can't stand republican closet fags. :-P

[Willie Escalade]

Eliminator was one of the best albums ever

[BigBlackMan]

Wow....

[TheExpert]

still a racist

[tranlove]

So not being attracted to blacks make one a racist?

[FreddieGomez]

ya'll brothas have fragile egos

[AmyDaly]

no you too bookoo

[runround04]

To booku, to booku, No Alabama black snake!

[runround04]

no you too bookoo

Damn it!! I didnt read the latest post and just went right for the FMJ joke but ya beat me too it!!

[knight4444]

You can say it's racist all day but until you've placed an ad and started charging money for sex you just don't know the reality of this very specific and specialized situation. Black guys will either haggle, try to get out of paying, or just plain leave without paying, (Happened to me once after a session when I went to freshen up in the restroom.)
That's just the way it is... saying all that, my best performer for my website is a black man and my band's drummer is a black man, (one of the best in North Texas), the last girl I fucked was a black fetish model... so I'm not racist, it's just that black johns who chase trannies suck as customers.

You can't be that STUPID and racist! so because you had a few bad experiences with black men that SOMEHOW equates to ALL black men?!! so using that logic if the next few WHITE guys do something you don't like you'll STOP dealing with ALL WHITE men??? you need to join the republican party!! OH! they wouldn't accept you because you're not STRAIGHT!

[nysprod]

Agreed, jaime is an idiot for that post...that being said, it's not inherently racist to not want black guys, it could just be preference...I don't do white girls, prefer latin/asian.

[trish]

You wouldn't do a white girl even if she paid you? I prefer Stella Atois, but I'll drink a Bud if that's what's on tap. :)

[Dino Velvet]

I prefer Stella Atois

That's a good brew right there, kid. Those Belgians know what they're doing. I describe that lager as refreshing like biting into a cold apple.

[nysprod]

You wouldn't do a white girl even if she paid you? I prefer Stella Atois, but I'll drink a Bud if that's what's on tap. :)

I guess I would, but prefer not too...bud I won't drink at all, rather have water.

[Dino Velvet]

I guess I would, but prefer not too...bud I won't drink at all, rather have water.

Soda or water for me. Budweiser is terrible. More like the Jefe of Beers when you see who actually enjoys it.

[wiltthestilt]

You can't be that STUPID and racist! so because you had a few bad experiences with black men that SOMEHOW equates to ALL black men?!! so using that logic if the next few WHITE guys do something you don't like you'll STOP dealing with ALL WHITE men??? you need to join the republican party!! OH! they wouldn't accept you because you're not STRAIGHT!

She isn't stupid. She's honest. Racist is a matter of opinion so there is no use even arguing about it. She did not say ALL black men. She's saying, Black men, in general, tend to be less desirable customers. Hence it's easier to exclude them completely. The same logic can't be applied to White customers. White customers probably make up, at a minimum, 65% of the market. What percentage of the market do Black customers comprise? Maybe 5%? You do the math.

Escorts who screen clients (require references) are less likely to discriminate based on race, but those who don't, including TS escorts, frequently do because it is common knowledge some groups are more likely to be trouble than others. It isn't fair. It is what it is.

[trish]

I guess I would, but prefer not too...bud I won't drink at all, rather have water.So you prefer Stella and abhor Bud.

[transfan8591]

"Oh i'm not racist..i've got black friends".... says every racist and bigot ever.
The broad is a hooker, she should be glad there are dudes that would waste
money to bed the skank. Like it or not....Just keeping it 100...No B.S.
It sucks because Miriam was one of the TGirls that got me into Transwomen.
I loved fapping to her booty pics. But, now knowing that she's a bigot...it kills it for me.

[giovanni_hotel]

Many TS escorts opposed to Black clients would probably be more receptive if those same Black guys paid cash upfront, but we all know that ain't happening!!Lol

That said if I knew the girl and what kind of service she typically provided it wouldn't bother me to pay before my session. In general though, no.

[Dino Velvet]

if those same Black guys paid cash upfront, but we all know that ain't happening!!Lol

Doesn't everyone pay up front? If the girl charges, pay her. I think it's rude and disrespectful to make a gal worry if she's receiving the donation both parties agreed to. I think I get decent treatment from escorts because I'm nice to them and know the drill, not because I'm White.

[bluesoul]

Escorts who screen clients (require references)

what kind of references are required to see an escort, a past criminal history and list of past escorts one visited?

[RallyCola]

well, i actually never pay up front because how much i will pay depends on the service. it is not that i feel i must "tip" but i will reward a girl that makes me think it is a gfe whereas boring lays are only getting their rate.

that said...if a black guy rolled up and paid first...i doubt every escort would turn him down.

anyone ever see the movie "easy a?" could you imagine paying for a date with a gift card? my wife has a $100 off gift card to escada...i wonder what that can get me?

[wiltthestilt]

what kind of references are required to see an escort, a past criminal history and list of past escorts one visited?

References from other escorts. Most respectable escorts (yes, there are some) won't see you without references. Sometimes two or three are necessary. Most of these women have personal websites and don't advertise on back page.

The TS side of the business is not as advanced and functions more like the back page GG escort market. Most TS escorts don't screen (in so far as I have experienced). And, to my knowledge, there is no network of TS escorts who refer one another.

I've also never heard of TS escorts asking for, or accepting GG references, or vice versa. Many customers would prefer that GG escorts not know that they see TS escorts, since it may result in their being denied an appointment.

[wiltthestilt]

Doesn't everyone pay up front? If the girl charges, pay her. I think it's rude and disrespectful to make a gal worry if she's receiving the donation both parties agreed to. I think I get decent treatment from escorts because I'm nice to them and know the drill, not because I'm White.

I've always paid up front. In my experience, it is the rule. And payment is never discussed.

[Tapatio]

Many TS escorts opposed to Black clients would probably be more receptive if those same Black guys paid cash upfront, but we all know that ain't happening!!Lol

That said if I knew the girl and what kind of service she typically provided it wouldn't bother me to pay before my session. In general though, no.

What- are you going to return the blowjob instead of paying if you're not completely satisfied? Maybe offer her your ass in trade to make it an even swap?

[SheWantsTheD]

Many TS escorts opposed to Black clients would probably be more receptive if those same Black guys paid cash upfront, but we all know that ain't happening!!Lol

That said if I knew the girl and what kind of service she typically provided it wouldn't bother me to pay before my session. In general though, no.

Its funny to me that tgirl escorts are discriminating against clients due to race when escorts are discriminated against and tgirls are discriminated against...

Open your eyes.

The solution is a simple one. TS Escorts should have a cash upfront policy. Not tar a whole race with one brush. And if you really want to look into the black sterotypes it goes beyond thievery. There is also the fact that most of the black race are extremely homophobic. Try to trick a homophobic black person into sleeping with a ts and it most likely won't end well. But since you are so blinded all you see are black chasers and the projected image of big black cock that want nothing more than to fuck a white girl or trans lol.
There are two sides to every coin.

[pantybulge69]

Doesn't everyone pay up front? If the girl charges, pay her. I think it's rude and disrespectful to make a gal worry if she's receiving the donation both parties agreed to. I think I get decent treatment from escorts because I'm nice to them and know the drill, not because I'm White.

i think 'some' may have already formed their generalization and mindset
because you're white.
i just wonder if the black men who do show respect and professionalism
to these escorts get their due.

[pantybulge69]

References from other escorts. Most respectable escorts (yes, there are some) won't see you without references. Sometimes two or three are necessary. Most of these women have personal websites and don't advertise on back page.

The TS side of the business is not as advanced and functions more like the back page GG escort market. Most TS escorts don't screen (in so far as I have experienced). And, to my knowledge, there is no network of TS escorts who refer one another.

I've also never heard of TS escorts asking for, or accepting GG references, or vice versa. Many customers would prefer that GG escorts not know that they see TS escorts, since it may result in their being denied an appointment.

i've never heard of TS's asking for references, but i heard (and had the
personal experiences) of a few escorts asking potential clients to
send/text them a pic of themselves. ...Good luck on that and discretion.

[SuzySnappz]

I've always paid up front. In my experience, it is the rule. And payment is never discussed.

I always get payment up front. It's never been an issue, except for the maybe 2% of guys who bail (either because they chicken out, or they never really had any money).

I have no problem with seeing black guys, I have a couple regulars who are black that I like a lot. I don't put up with any sort of thug attitude when people call or text me, though, those guys get ignored. And maybe more of those guys tend to be black, but that is what it is. But anyone who contacts me respectfully and is serious about setting up an appointment is cool, no matter what race.

[SuzySnappz]

The TS side of the business is not as advanced and functions more like the back page GG escort market. Most TS escorts don't screen (in so far as I have experienced). And, to my knowledge, there is no network of TS escorts who refer one another.

Yeah, I don't usually screen too much, as long as I am doing incall out of a decent hotel with a real lobby where the guy has to walk by the front desk/security cameras/etc. And I have to get the vibe from the guy that he is serious about the appointment and not just screwing around, he has to call from the parking lot, etc. I have my own place too but I only see regulars at my own place. The only time I really screen is on an outcall, I need to make sure it's not a wild goose chase.

[wiltthestilt]

i've never heard of TS's asking for references, but i heard (and had the
personal experiences) of a few escorts asking potential clients to
send/text them a pic of themselves. ...Good luck on that and discretion.

LOL, yeah. I've heard of that even with GG's. Just move on to the next girl, especially since the type who would ask for that often isn't even the same one as in her pics. I imagine references are tough for TS's, since there are so few reliable, reputable, TS escorts in most of the country. How many potential customers really have useful references from someone trustworthy? If the TS market expands and gets more organized, I could see that practice catching on with at least the higher profile ladies.

[pantybulge69]

i think it's about the demeanor of a client. People should be
defined by their actions, not a prejudice judgment based upon their
racial ethnicity and what they look like. If a client approaches you professionally and like a gentleman, then he's earned an opportunity for a session, ...if he acts just the opposite with a ghetto mentality, then that's where his actions should get him turned away.

that's why i think any and every client should be addressed on a case by case basis rather than being group together and generalized.
Ditto for escorts with the ones who scam, fake pics,bait-switch,hidden robbery, etc. Just because a client happens to go thru several of them, doesn't mean it holds true for every escort.

there's a number of black clients who conduct themselves
properly and professionally but somehow get caught up in the rage and
heatwave of those who choose not conduct themselves.. So i guess it's easy for some to hateful and be destructive rather than keep their mind open and try to be constructive.

[STARTUP999]

Scanning through "TS4M Casual Encounters" on Craig's I have seen this go both ways.
Lots of posts state either a preference or a requirement for their suiters to be Black (and usually Hung). "Seeking BBC" is a common entry.

I just saw yesterday a really stunning Black TG provider on Back Page in LA including "No Black Men" in her post.

I have asked several providers both TG and GG about this discrimination and the answer was always the same. They thought Black men were more likely to be violent.

[bluesoul]

References from other escorts. Most respectable escorts (yes, there are some) won't see you without references. Sometimes two or three are necessary. Most of these women have personal websites and don't advertise on back page.


how do you get the reference? do you go see the escort and ask them to sign for you a reference? also, i'm guessing you gotta get references from other "most respectable escorts" in order for the reference to be trustworthy- or can it be a reference from any escort?

also, can you get escorts from members of a different gender? like can i use a gg reference with a ts escort? or vice versa?

as far as the topic of this thread: "pls no black guys" bullshit ho. aren't there some escorts who specifically prefer black men? is that also considered racist?

[popo]

so omarZ wanna bitch about girls personal choices but don't got shit to say when someone makes a thread called HUNG T GIRL BLACKS ONLY........ watch me make a white only thread as soon as I got the time

[Rusty Eldora]

References from other escorts. Most respectable escorts (yes, there are some) won't see you without references. Sometimes two or three are necessary. Most of these women have personal websites and don't advertise on back page.

The TS side of the business is not as advanced and functions more like the back page GG escort market. Most TS escorts don't screen (in so far as I have experienced). And, to my knowledge, there is no network of TS escorts who refer one another.

I've also never heard of TS escorts asking for, or accepting GG references, or vice versa. Many customers would prefer that GG escorts not know that they see TS escorts, since it may result in their being denied an appointment.

I've been trying to gain acceptance of TS escorts in Seattle comparable to GG escorts. It's a long journey but there is a lot of progress. Seattle GG provider scene is very much reference based. Yes two references from providers that have seen the guy. A usual response is "yes, I know him and find him safe" or similar. If the one giving the ref is reputable, all the better.

A few of the high end TS providers do get references, usually they have made arrangements for a GG provider friend to check for them. Others check out posts made by the guy on boards. It is very, very true that guys are AFRAID of being identified as seeing TS escorts - fear of appointment denial, being called Gay by other hobbyists, etc. I do think it is overblown, I still see GG providers and the ones I like would love to do a MFT session.

Conversely, reviews of TS providers happen less often compared to a GG. The guy doesn't want to be known.

The OP's point. It is not racist but very valid for a provider to exclude a type of person to be intimate with. It could be Old guys, young guys, blacks, asians, whites, Latin, redhead, tall, short. A good friend of mine is an Asian GG escort - she prefers to not see Chinese. It is important for the provider to use some tact to prevent hurt feelings.

At the same time the provider is reducing her customer base by excluding - not just by the excluded class but others that do not like exclusions. I for one are less likely to see a provider if she excludes - even if I am not.

[ohioguy13]

its a free country anyone can work with who they want. I remember when Danny Glover was whining a few years back about cabs not picking up him because of race. No its beacause new York cabbies know who tips and who doesn't. end of story ask anyone who works in a bar about tipping stereotypes and youll find they hold true
it may be a stereo type but that doesn't mean its not true. anyone who is self employed in whatever industry has the right to work with who they feel comfortable. ask people with mid eastern decent about profiling in airports. no biggie lighten up!

[lifeisfiction]

Till you walked in another's shoes, assumption will lead you down the wrong path."

[trish]

its a free country anyone can work with who they want. I remember when Danny Glover was whining a few years back about cabs not picking up him because of race. No its beacause new York cabbies know who tips and who doesn't.

No. They don’t know who tips and who doesn’t. They don’t know whether Danny tips or not. They ASSUMED from his race that he doesn’t.

I know what you’re saying. You want to say that cabbies have experience and their experience is that the odds for a person of this race tipping you are better than the odds of a person of that race tipping you. They’re just playing the odds.

The trouble with that is threefold. One, it’s an assumption about cabbies and what they think. Two, it assumes there really is a correlation between race and tips, independent of dress and other easily identifiable characteristics quickly discoverable from the cab about a prospective client standing on the curb with his or her hand up. If there is show me the data. Three, using race to determine who you will or will not do business with is racist.


ask people with mid eastern decent about profiling in airports.Yes ask them. It’s a biggie. But it’s not as big as denial of service on the basis of race. For an airline, that would be illegal.

[alyssaluxor]

I always get payment up front. It's never been an issue, except for the maybe 2% of guys who bail (either because they chicken out, or they never really had any money).

I have no problem with seeing black guys, I have a couple regulars who are black that I like a lot. I don't put up with any sort of thug attitude when people call or text me, though, those guys get ignored. And maybe more of those guys tend to be black, but that is what it is. But anyone who contacts me respectfully and is serious about setting up an appointment is cool, no matter what race.


Me too always money down. If you dont like it then dont setup an appoinment so easy.

So many client dont pay after session. Even sometimes regular clientelle dont pay after so now ive learned my lesson money down first, hide all valuables and screen clientelle

[pantybulge69]

Agreed, jaime is an idiot for that post...that being said, it's not inherently racist to not want black guys, it could just be preference...I don't do white girls, prefer latin/asian.


i usually associate " preference" with an attraction .i associate "prejudice" with a personal grudge/distain towards a racial ethicity for whatever reason.

i think when you see these " no blacks "ads, it's specifically exclusive because of
a personal fear and hate and all the usual stereotypes.

[alyssaluxor]

By the way i had few Black clientelle most had been very nice and generous to me. Hope we will have more Black guys in Asia. They have very nice tight asses love fucking them while stroking their huge cocks!!!

[envivision]

You know what makes me sleep comfortably with a clear conscience at night, liberal loony tunes? It is the fact that when I bed someone, it is with an another adult and it is 100% CONSENSUAL.

What is the purpose of this thread? Blacks should get a free pass and sleep with whomever against their wills, just because O'bama is in power???? Is this your version of Utopia?

I got rejected numerous times by women all over the world because I am white (e.g. in the Philippines where the ladies prefer asian customers). I did not come in here , open a thread, and then whined that Asians were anti whites.

Toughen it up, boo.

[Ben in LA]

*Hears name being mentioned yet again*

[giovanni_hotel]

You know what makes me sleep comfortably with a clear conscience at night, liberal loony tunes? It is the fact that when I bed someone, it is with an another adult and it is 100% CONSENSUAL.

What is the purpose of this thread? Blacks should get a free pass and sleep with whomever against their wills, just because O'bama is in power???? Is this your version of Utopia?

I got rejected numerous times by women all over the world because I am white (e.g. in the Philippines where the ladies prefer asian customers). I did not come in here , open a thread, and then whined that Asians were anti whites.

Toughen it up, boo.

I get your point however the rejection rate for Black v. White johns by random TS escorts is nowhere near the same.

The next time you see an ad specifying an escort prefers NOT to see White clientele, please post it to this thread.lol

[Dino Velvet]

Here's the other side of the coin. Let's say an escort has had a few encounters with White guys that have given her a serial killer or crooked cop vibe. It's happened often enough to establish a pattern that seems fairly consistent. Now she puts "No White Guys" in her ad. The question goes to the Black fellas. Do you really care that she puts "No White Guys" in her ad or are you more concerned that she's going to be a good provider to you?

[giovanni_hotel]

Just being selfish, I only care IRL if a provider is discriminatory against ME. Not anyone else.

[Dino Velvet]

Just being selfish, I only care IRL if a provider is discriminatory against ME. Not anyone else.

Perfect. I appreciate the honesty too. I could give two shits also. I'm getting a piece of ass, not immersing myself in an ABC After School Special. Too much political correctness in chasing after whores.

[Ben in LA]

I really don't care because most of the girls who put stuff like that in their ads aren't appealing to me in the first place...

[popo]

I really don't care because most of the girls who put stuff like that in their ads aren't appealing to me in the first place...

why cause they are clean or because they don't act ghetto enough for you ?

[nysprod]

why cause they are clean or because they don't act ghetto enough for you ?

Who the fuck is this asshole?

[deepfix]

I was turned away at the door of a provider once about a decade ago. Shocked the shit out of me. I started to walk away but I wasn't as much pissed but confused and I was young really young. So I went back and I asked her and she said she was assaulted by a black man.

Anyway I always thought it came down to simple business economic. Black and Spanish providers usually got that little pic up that says I love white boys when they go to cities to encourage people to come out. Likewise white providers that discrimi-hate will phone check and discourage you with prices and won't even visit or tour areas in their mind they have deemed unsafe after they have a bad experience.

Idk it's like bad math if you see 100 people and 10 of them weren't white. 8 were black 1 African and 1 was Indian. Well none of those experiences were the same. And blacks and Africans are completely different. But it takes one bad experience to eliminate anyone with melanin. So spend your dollars elsewhere.

[Ben in LA]

why cause they are clean or because they don't act ghetto enough for you ?

Nope, personal preference...just like the girls.

Oh yeah...a few of the most so-called "ghetto" girls I've met are actually some of the cleanest, so that point is moot.

[broncofan]

I think a lot of the people who come in here and pretend there's something reasonable about excluding an entire race of people based on a few bad experiences aren't imagining what it would be like to be routinely excluded. The ads that discriminate tend to be directed towards African-Americans. I can't imagine that anyone would be thick-skinned enough to routinely see ads that have a "No Whites, Jews, or Latins allowed" disclaimer and not think it was very unfair.

Of course nobody has to see anyone they don't want to. But there's a difference between not wanting to see an individual because they give you a bad vibe or have bad hygiene and excluding an entire race of people. Thank goodness the middle school dropout envivision has weighed in to tell us that consent is necessary before sex. Nobody is saying people should do anything against their will; only that if someone decides who they will and will not see based only on race they are likely bigoted. Entitled to it, but probably a racist.

If you are white, black, latino, or east asian please don't respond to this post. Southeast Asian, Sephardic Jew, or from Papua New Guinea fine.

[alyssaluxor]

I was turned away at the door of a provider once about a decade ago. Shocked the shit out of me. I started to walk away but I wasn't as much pissed but confused and I was young really young. So I went back and I asked her and she said she was assaulted by a black man.

Anyway I always thought it came down to simple business economic. Black and Spanish providers usually got that little pic up that says I love white boys when they go to cities to encourage people to come out. Likewise white providers that discrimi-hate will phone check and discourage you with prices and won't even visit or tour areas in their mind they have deemed unsafe after they have a bad experience.

Idk it's like bad math if you see 100 people and 10 of them weren't white. 8 were black 1 African and 1 was Indian. Well none of those experiences were the same. And blacks and Africans are completely different. But it takes one bad experience to eliminate anyone with melanin. So spend your dollars elsewhere.

OMG! I could relate to this! I remember I got robbed by a white guy before. He got my money around 2000-3000US$ and plan to get my mobile phone, laptop, passport and expensive bag. Luckily I was able to beg him just get all my money just dont get my bag and passport and dont hurt me. His a tall muscular white guy. So after that Im so much depressed and in a trauma hiding in my room. Im so want t cry but I cant because its so much to handle. I feel all people outside will hurt me. So I didnt meet any white guy for a couple of days only Asian guys

[deepfix]

And that is exactly why on some level you can't even be upset when providers use their "self preservation" discretion. Some police departments might entertain that phone call. Depending where you were located. Depending if they didn't have any "party" substances in their room.

I was always conscious of how I looked. I am not a small tiny black guy who makes people laugh lol. However I do sound white on the phone. People call that professional :) So when they open the do it's funny to see their face to this cartwheel of emotion like OMG I THOUGHT HE WAS A WHITE GUY!!! And every time I compliment. Pay up front. Flash a smile. And say some cheesy line like. God are your mirror pants because I can see me in them... You guys get the point.

[Dino Velvet]

Ladies, if some White fella calls and says his name is Waingro, hang up.

waingro - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OD9S28b-Js)

[broncofan]

Ladies, if some White fella calls and says his name is Waingro, hang up.

Thanks to you I'm watching the movie Heat now.;

[Dino Velvet]

Thanks to you I'm watching the movie Heat now.;

I had a 2 week brain fart after Stavros recommended Prisoners then saw him and Prospero hen-pecking each other about the film today which reminded me to go to the Best Buy and purchase it.

Heat is awesome. I remember seeing it at the massive Century City Plitt Theater back in 1996 on a Tuesday with only like 6 people in there. My dick was getting hard hearing the shell casings hit the cement.

[broncofan]

I had a 2 week brain fart after Stavros recommended Prisoners then saw him and Prospero hen-pecking each other about the film today which reminded me to go to the Best Buy and purchase it.

:D
Henpecking is a good phrase. I've never heard it...I'll watch Prisoners tomorrow.

[Dino Velvet]

:D
Henpecking is a good phrase. I've never heard it...I'll watch Prisoners tomorrow.

Their fierce battles for intellectual dominance don't quite get to the level of a catfight.

[amberskyi]

To argue this is kinda mute... just don't see that girl. There are plenty providers that don't care.
I will say this tho I've only been in a handle full of sketchy situations and all of them involved black male clients.this is coming from a black girl who pretty much only dates men of color socially.its hard to ignore experience and statistics.
I don't discriminate based on race but my screening process is pretty vigorous. I use a three call system, two hour advance notice, don't see clients after midnight, dont do half hour sessions and never offer discounts.i research neighbohrhoods before outcalls and if im not feeling it for any reason I decline

[Prospero]

Their fierce battles for intellectual dominance don't quite get to the level of a catfight.

I'm not in any battles with Stavros.... who cares.

Oh, and henpecked generally means a man who is picked on by his wife or girlfriend....

[Prospero]

Dino - you'll probably find Prisoners mild stuff indeed. I was watching it at four in the morning in a very uncomfortable seat on a jet out across the Atlantic, feeling tired but unable to sleep, dyspeptic after crap food and surrounded by sleeping strangers and feeling bad tempered. Might have contributed.

[Dino Velvet]

Dino - you'll probably find Prisoners mild stuff indeed. I was watching it at four in the morning in a very uncomfortable seat on a jet out across the Atlantic, feeling tired but unable to sleep, dyspeptic after crap food and surrounded by sleeping strangers and feeling bad tempered. Might have contributed.

I'll give it a go. I ended up watching an ECW Wrestling TV show from 1998 last night until I nodded off. Was some good violent crap. Now that I have the film in my possession it is that much closer to the Blu-ray player. Baby stoner steps. I'll do the best I can to duplicate the atmosphere so I can really appreciate the film.

[Topintellect]

Way to many sexy sensuous gurls out there who do in fact cater to all men for me to really care.

I just call it being scared of money

The "thugs" label don't help either lol

[Rusty Eldora]

To argue this is kinda mute... just don't see that girl. There are plenty providers that don't care.
I will say this tho I've only been in a handle full of sketchy situations and all of them involved black male clients.this is coming from a black girl who pretty much only dates men of color socially.its hard to ignore experience and statistics.
I don't discriminate based on race but my screening process is pretty vigorous. I use a three call system, two hour advance notice, don't see clients after midnight, dont do half hour sessions and never offer discounts.i research neighbohrhoods before outcalls and if im not feeling it for any reason I decline

Hi Amber - I hope things are going well.

Amber's point is right on. Her own experience says she needs to be very careful, in particular with one group. It is her right and her safety is foremost. Each person is an individual, but the culture they come from affects behavior.

We all should strive where guys are gentlemen and girls are ladies. Things would be a lot more fun for all of us.

[wiltthestilt]

Regardless of who a lady chooses to see, it is amazing that some on here are presuming to lecture an what an escort's criteria for clientele should be. As if it isn't the escort's livelihood and safety at stake.

The irony of this thread is that people are still commentating on a possibly racially insensitive statement years later, while there have been numerous prior and subsequent posts using vulgar, demeaning, objectifying language toward women (including the thread title itself) which have gone unchallenged.

There is little doubt that the two phenomena are related.

[broncofan]

Regardless of who a lady chooses to see, it is amazing that some on here are presuming to lecture an what an escort's criteria for clientele should be. As if it isn't the escort's livelihood and safety at stake.

Anyone who runs a private business could be threatened by their clientele. And they have every right to use criteria directly related to the issue of safety to screen clients. What a lot of people don't accept is that African-American equals inherently dangerous or threatening.

The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.

Legally run businesses aren't allowed to exclude people based on race....ones that operate in the black market can. That doesn't mean it's any different in principle.

[wiltthestilt]

Anyone who runs a private business could be threatened by their clientele. And they have every right to use criteria directly related to the issue of safety to screen clients. What a lot of people don't accept is that African-American equals inherently dangerous or threatening.

The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.

Legally run businesses aren't allowed to exclude people based on race....ones that operate in the black market can. That doesn't mean it's any different in principle.


What a lot of people don't accept is that African-American equals inherently dangerous or threatening.

No one said they were. Many ladies change their policy once they start screening. The point is that at some times and places it may be practical for a lady to screen based on race, and where and when that may be is a matter for her to decide, not you.


The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.

Here is where you are way off. You are analogizing sex to other forms private business. A woman's body is not a place of public accommodation. You have no expectation, legal or otherwise, to someone else's body. It does not matter if she's ostensibly making herself available to everyone on the planet but you. Words like "unfair" and "unjust" in this context are bullshit. Meaningless. A woman's right to choose her sexual partners is absolute, and any objection thereof is premised on nothing more than your own subjective feelings of entitlement.

Oh, if you want to be technical, then an escort should be willing to "escort" clients regardless of race. But their is no--zilch, zero, none, nada--reason for you to expect sex apart from her telling you (verbally or otherwise) that she is willing to have sex with you. It is apropos that the title of this thread includes the phrase "bullshit ho" since it typifies the mindset that assumes the contrary.

[broncofan]

Hi Wilt,
I'm glad you decided to post. I saw yesterday that you had spent quite a long time formulating an answer and then abandoned it (the info is available in our user profile).

The primary reason people screen is for safety. At least that's what you indicated when you said that it was the screener's safety and livelihood that were at stake. For race to be an appropriate screen, it would have to relate to one of these two factors. If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race. My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational. It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.

It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous. Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral. But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.

Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.

[broncofan]

A woman's right to choose her sexual partners is absolute, and any objection thereof is premised on nothing more than your own subjective feelings of entitlement.

But their is no--zilch, zero, none, nada--reason for you to expect sex apart from her telling you (verbally or otherwise) that she is willing to have sex with you.
I love how you think I'm African-American and have feelings of entitlement. That actually makes the argument and your racism all the more laughably bearable.

[amberskyi]

Hi Wilt,
I'm glad you decided to post. I saw yesterday that you had spent quite a loninjury formulating an answer and then abandoned it (the info is available in our user profile).

The primary reason people screen is for safety. At least that's what you indicated when you said that it was the screener's safety and livelihood that were at stake. For race to be an appropriate screen, it would have to relate to one of these two factors. If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race. My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational. It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.

It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous. Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral. But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.

Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.

Even tho sex being commoditized its still a human being that your dealing with and not a thing.you break or cause injury to an object you can scrap it and get a knew one.it doesn't work so simply with people.
As an escort we have to put our safety and health before all else. For example, I don't like to be fingered by clients because most guys don't know how to engage in anal play safely and I have gotten hemorrhoids from anal strain.If I lose a client over it oh well, my anus is more important lol.
I imagine that the girls who screen based on race feel the same way.they could care less about the racial/political implications cause they feel safer.
money isn't an all access pass for everyone and everything.people who think that way are bad clientele.

[broncofan]

Even tho sex being commoditized its still a human being that your dealing with and not a thing.you break or cause injury to an object you can scrap it and get a knew one.it doesn't work so simply with people.
As an escort we have to put our safety and health before all else. For example, I don't like to be fingered by clients because most guys don't know how to engage in anal play safely and I have gotten hemorrhoids from anal strain.If I lose a client over it oh well, my anus is more important lol.
I imagine that the girls who screen based on race feel the same way.they could care less about the racial/political implications cause they feel safer.
money isn't an all access pass for everyone and everything.people who think that way are bad clientele.
Fair enough. But this is a good reason to exclude individuals but not entire races of people. Sex is a very personal thing. But I imagine that escorts are having sex with people they wouldn't have sex with unless the person paid. I understand how an escort can look at someone who doesn't take care of themselves or who treats a girl with disrespect and decide that they won't have sex with that person for any amount of money.

But why would someone have this rule of exclusion based only on heritage? They must be connecting up that background with some very unsavory characteristics. I accept that maybe the employment example is bad because even if people are having sex for money it is very personal. But why does personal choice always come down to saying no people with this coloring or that religion?

[amberskyi]

Fair enough. But this is a good reason to exclude individuals but not entire races of people. Sex is a very personal thing. in the couut I imagine that escorts are having sex with people they wouldn't have sex with unless the person paid. I understand how an escort can look at someone who doesn't take care of themselves or who treats a girl with disrespect and decide that they won't have sex with that person for any amount of money.

But why would someone have this rule of exclusion based only on heritage? They must be connecting up that background with some very unsavory characteristics. I accept that maybe the employment example is bad because even if people are having sex for money it is very personal. But why does personal choice always come down to saying no people with this coloring or that religion?

To play devils advocate (i personally don't screen based on race) but a girl who did could feel vindicated considering the majority of violent crime in this country is committed by African Americans.let me know if you need statistical proof ;)

[broncofan]

To play devils advocate (i personally don't screen based on race) but a girl who did could feel vindicated considering the majority of violent crime in this country is committed by African Americans.let me know if you need statistical proof ;)
And if Jewish people were engaged in more than their share of financial crime would that justify barring them wholesale from any professional accreditation associated with finance? The point is not that I think every group has a proportional representation for every type of crime, but that there are better proxies than race. Even screening based on subjective factors such as whether they were polite would be more likely effective.

[deepfix]

To play devils advocate (i personally don't screen based on race) but a girl who did could feel vindicated considering the majority of violent crime in this country is committed by African Americans.let me know if you need statistical proof ;)

I'm curious about this proof. Because maybe I was misled into believing that the incarceration rate of minorites was SIGNIFICANTLY higher due to erroneous charges,drugs and three strikes. I was always saw more documentation on white violent offenders than any other cultural backdrop in the states though hispanics are on the rise.

[wiltthestilt]

Hi Wilt,
I'm glad you decided to post. I saw yesterday that you had spent quite a long time formulating an answer and then abandoned it (the info is available in our user profile).

The primary reason people screen is for safety. At least that's what you indicated when you said that it was the screener's safety and livelihood that were at stake. For race to be an appropriate screen, it would have to relate to one of these two factors. If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race. My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational. It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.

It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous. Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral. But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.

Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.


If African-Americans are not inherently dangerous, there would be no reason to screen based on race.

African Americans don't have to be "inherently dangerous" in order for it be appropriate to screen. If, for whatever reason, the escort is under the impression that Black men are more likely to be dangerous, or a nuisance, or what-have-you, then it is appropriate for them to screen.


My objection to using race as a screen is that it's wholly irrational.

You have no clue if this is true. You are assuming this. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Maybe it is true in some places and not others. I would leave it to person who is in the room waiting for a stranger to make that decision.


It excludes people who may be decent and kind and lets through others who might actually be dangerous.

Which still doesn't make it irrational.


It is also clear to me that your attempts to frame the debate in terms of woman's rights are disingenuous.

Bullshit. I was knocking down the facile argument you alluded to that sex can be analogized to serving someone at a lunch counter or some other example.


Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized. You might then argue that you think women are being exploited and you think prostitution is immoral


Women can have sex for whatever reason they want. Just because they sell it to Jeff across the street doesn't mean they have to sell you it to you. I never said prostitution is immoral and I can't imagine why you would assume that I would. Because a women chooses to be a prostitute doesn't make her an object or her body a place of public accommodation.


But your initial justification for supporting the exclusion of African-Americans had nothing to do with preference for partners and was based on safety.

You are talking about two different things. (1) what may be a rational reason that an escort would screen based on race. (2) whether it is "unjust" for an escort to exclude any person for even an irrational reason. Even if the escort's reason is wholly irrational, it doesn't make her actions "unjust" as there is no reasonable expectation, ever, that a woman will have sex with you, and her working as an escort does not create one. Sex can't be wholly commoditized as it is not severable from the individual offering the service. This is what you don't seem (or want to) get.


Also disingenuous are your complaints about misogynistic terms being used. You could have started a thread about it but your intent was to dilute the charge of racism and not to actually discuss sexism. If you would like to discuss sexism, take it seriously as an issue in its own right and don't use it as a tool to trivialize racism.

I'm not going to start a separate thread as it is directly relevant to this thread. Because the underlying purpose of threads like this one (which appear frequently on boards which discuss escorting) is to bully and embarrass women into doing what you want. And often, smear words like racism are used liberally. And yes, the denigrating language used toward women on this thread and underlying premise of the thread are not an accident. They spring from the same mindset.

[wiltthestilt]

I love how you think I'm African-American and have feelings of entitlement. That actually makes the argument and your racism all the more laughably bearable.

You find it laughable because it went right over your head. I said those who expect an escort to service them based on fairness (not necessarily AA's and many AA's don't feel as such) are premising this notion wholly on a sense of entitlement. Yes.

[wiltthestilt]

I'm curious about this proof. Because maybe I was misled into believing that the incarceration rate of minorites was SIGNIFICANTLY higher due to erroneous charges,drugs and three strikes. I was always saw more documentation on white violent offenders than any other cultural backdrop in the states though hispanics are on the rise.

Then you must be horribly misinformed. The murder rate among AA males is dramatically higher per capita than Whites, Latinos, or Asians. And I'm not linking it. This is sixth-grade level knowledge. You are swimming in ignorance here.

[broncofan]

I have no ulterior motive to make the women do what I want because I have never been discriminated against by an escort. I am not African-American but am Jewish.

Your arguments about personal choice really have no bearing on the thread. You know why? Because I am not arguing that discriminating based on race should be prohibited in this context.

The argument is not that someone should not be able to exclude African-Americans but that doing so is based on strongly negative associations with that race. That is racism.

As for the length of time it took you to write that post (again I was able to see you were here) we could have had a discussion in the meantime.

[broncofan]

You find it laughable because it went right over your head. I said those who expect an escort to service them based on fairness (not necessarily AA's and many AA's don't feel as such) are premising this notion wholly on a sense of entitlement. Yes.
You were basically stereotyping me as an African-American male who felt entitled to White women:). It was pretty funny, if pathetic.

[wiltthestilt]

I have no ulterior motive to make the women do what I want because I have never been discriminated against by an escort. I am not African-American but am Jewish.

Your arguments about personal choice really have no bearing on the thread. You know why? Because I am not arguing that discriminating based on race should be prohibited in this context.

The argument is not that someone should not be able to exclude African-Americans but that doing so is based on strongly negative associations with that race. That is racism.

As for the length of time it took you to write that post (again I was able to see you were here) we could have had a discussion in the meantime.


Your arguments about personal choice really have no bearing on the thread. You know why? Because I am not arguing that discriminating based on race should be prohibited in this context.

And you're use liberal use of strongly pejorative language like racism to describe women who screen is more childish bullying. It's good to know you have given up on your other arguments.


As for the length of time it took you to write that post (again I was able to see you were here) we could have had a discussion in the meantime.

And this the second time you have said this, what are you trying to prove?

[wiltthestilt]

You were basically stereotyping me as an African-American male who felt entitled to White women:). It was pretty funny, if pathetic.

And more childish insults from you. Which is all you really had to begin with.

[broncofan]

And you're use liberal use of strongly pejorative language like racism to describe women who screen is more childish bullying. It's good to know you have given up on your other arguments.



And this the second time you have said this, what are you trying to prove?
That I would have liked to have a discussion but your skulking around prevented it. If characterizing anyone in a negative way is childish then there would be no point in discussing anything. I think every argument you've made has been dishonest. From your first post where you said that nobody should discuss racism because it's an opinion. We should confine ourselves to raw data?

What other arguments have I abandoned? That sex is more personal and being an escort is not like other professions? Yes, I've given up on that because the analogy is strained for reasons other than the ones you've identified. We are talking about something that is currently illegal, and so if it were regulated at all, the regulations would be more narrowly tailored towards safety (condom use, providing identification, security). It is a complete non-sequitur, particularly since the main argument has always been that people can make a range of choices and are responsible for how those choices make them look.

[wiltthestilt]

That I would have liked to have a discussion but your skulking around prevented it. If characterizing anyone in a negative way is childish then there would be no point in discussing anything. I think every argument you've made has been dishonest. From your first post where you said that nobody should discuss racism because it's an opinion. We should confine ourselves to raw data?

What other arguments have I abandoned? That sex is more personal and being an escort is not like other professions? Yes, I've given up on that because the analogy is strained for reasons other than the ones you've identified. We are talking about something that is currently illegal, and so if it were regulated at all, the regulations would be more narrowly tailored towards safety (condom use, providing identification, security). It is a complete non-sequitur, particularly since the main argument has always been that people can make a range of choices and are responsible for how those choices make them look.


From your first post where you said that nobody should discuss racism because it's an opinion. We should confine ourselves to raw data?

LOL. Nice try. Or perhaps you should know something about the subject before calling someone a racist?


That sex is more personal and being an escort is not like other professions? Yes, I've given up on that because the analogy is strained for reasons other than the ones you've identified.

You gave up on it because it was smacked down.

You said this:


The people who think that having an automatic screen for people of one race is unfair are not engaging in a lecture any more than you are. They just have some understanding of why racial litmus tests are unjust.

Legally run businesses aren't allowed to exclude people based on race....ones that operate in the black market can. That doesn't mean it's any different in principle.

And this:


Insofar as money is being accepted for sex, sex is being commoditized.

You've quietly backed off from that argument and that's fine.

[broncofan]

I gave up on the argument for a couple of reasons. First, it wasn't really my core argument but just an example of how there's generally a consensus in society that excluding people based on race is unacceptable. The second reason is that it made it too easy for you to pretend that I think women or their orifices are places of public accommodation when the analogy if there is one is to the place of business (a hotel, apartment, or wherever the sex takes place). I thought it ran the risk of turning into a collateral discussion. If prostitution were currently regulated I would happily argue that I think there are good reasons to not allow discrimination based on race. But it's a distinct argument, and would be based on public policy grounds.

But again, the main argument was that using race as a screen is based on generalizations about people of a particular background. Such a practice is grounded in what has traditionally been racist ideology.

Now I really have to go to bed. I will be back tomorrow evening if you want to discuss further.

[wiltthestilt]

I gave up on the argument for a couple of reasons. First, it wasn't really my core argument but just an example of how there's generally a consensus in society that excluding people based on race is unacceptable. The second reason is that it made it too easy for you to pretend that I think women or their orifices are places of public accommodation when the analogy if there is one is to the place of business (a hotel, apartment, or wherever the sex takes place). I thought it ran the risk of turning into a collateral discussion. If prostitution were currently regulated I would happily argue that I think there are good reasons to not allow discrimination based on race. But it's a distinct argument, and would be based on public policy grounds.

But again, the main argument was that using race as a screen is based on generalizations about people of a particular background. Such a practice is grounded in what has traditionally been racist ideology.

Now I really have to go to bed. I will be back tomorrow evening if you want to discuss further.

Fair enough. There are more important things in life than this including a good night's sleep. Had I to rewrite it again, I wouldn't have said "you" as that made it come across as too personal. No need to pick it up tomorrow unless you wish to.

[Genetic]

I wanted to see a girl in my area but she wouldn't see guys with facial hair. Is this the thread to be outraged about it in?

[gaiseric]

I can't believe this topic is still being discussed - 73 pages, wtf . All it's doing is giving certain people a chance to get on their high horse and force their opinions on everyone else.
The answer on this topic will never be found on a forum like this so why not let it die a quiet death for all our sakes.

[bluesoul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjSh_esW9W4

[mrwaxler]

I love how you think I'm African-American and have feelings of entitlement. That actually makes the argument and your racism all the more laughably bearable.


To play devils advocate (i personally don't screen based on race) but a girl who did could feel vindicated considering the majority of violent crime in this country is committed by African Americans.let me know if you need statistical proof ;)


have you watched the news lately amber ??????????

white boys are the ones committing mass murder like it is a new style.

[STARTUP999]

have you watched the news lately amber ??????????

white boys are the ones committing mass murder like it is a new style.

Maybe you should Google some of the goings on in central Africa, Blacks slaughtering whole towns full of people, the few children that are "spared" are traded as sex slaves. I don't think evil is particular to any one race.

I have spoken to several African American GG and TG providers over the years who will not date black men because they believe them to be more likely to be violent. I guess technically they are "racist" but since they are black themselves maybe they have a reason.

[cool86]

Maybe you should Google some of the goings on in central Africa, Blacks slaughtering whole towns full of people, the few children that are "spared" are traded as sex slaves. I don't think evil is particular to any one race.

I have spoken to several African American GG and TG providers over the years who will not date black men because they believe them to be more likely to be violent. I guess technically they are "racist" but since they are black themselves maybe they have a reason.

I know a know facts that African in Africa do killing cause of European came too African takes every resource that was in Africa making them poor & too control them & made too start war too kill people for gold,copper,silver,diamond & etc!

I just stating facts but for us black folk like me & other we are not violent unless you tryna too fight us & do us wrong but we are very cool & understanding.....I have my exp with race of people and dating & too me it more like the person himself doesn't matter what race there is......But it messed up & BS that you have no black people in there cause of few bad apple that give you a bad exp & that right gonna mess up there money cause alot of black got money too spent & it gonna mess up there process of making money! Too me every race got a few bad apple in the group & there know but need too chill with that no black things & just takes a change & know what certain person there dealing with, An if there ain't feeling there vibe there got the right too say noo & move on.

[FreddieGomez]

Oh who cares.

They're just hookers. They know the hustle and so do black men.

White men make the best clients because they don't know or understand the hustle.

Just meet a chick who will charge these white dudes and give it to the black man for free and believe me there are lots who will.

The end.

[bluesoul]

White men make the best clients because they don't know or understand the hustle.

white men created the hustle homie. have you seen whose killing it in wall street for like, EVER? *hint* it's YT

[holzz]

er....i am black.

i don't give a shit if they do deny us service....

it's a free world....since in the USA this shit is not even legal....contact your Feds for violation of the Civil Rights Act lol....

It's not even for racist reasons.....people can be/are irrational..if they had a bad black client, they may tar us all with the same brush....meh, don't care, it's just human nature..plenty of other TSs out there who i can fuck or get fucked by..lol..

[Ben in LA]

er....i am black.

i don't give a shit if they do deny us service....

it's a free world....since in the USA this shit is not even legal....contact your Feds for violation of the Civil Rights Act lol....

It's not even for racist reasons.....people can be/are irrational..if they had a bad black client, they may tar us all with the same brush....meh, don't care, it's just human nature..plenty of other TSs out there who i can fuck or get fucked by..lol..

Churrch!

[KatieCD159]

I prefer black guys, they are way more attractive to me.