Am i the only one

[slingblade]

Of course I dont honey... thats my favorite lol!

Mmmm yummy one of my favorites too.. lol.

[slingblade]

So tgirl topping = abnormal?

Licking duke chutes = normal?

Ok, got it Professor.

~BB~

Yes licking duke chutes is normal since I also lick GG asses. If you cant figure it out too bad keep struggling with your identity of man or trans.

[BellaBellucci]

Was I talking to your big mouth ass Bella? NO! Just because you wear a dress and panties dont mean youre a transwoman so dont get it twisted!

... says the anon lurker in the corner who proclaims loudly enough that he's a top to warrant suspicion that he may actually be a powerbottom. Wow. You're a top. You're such a big, manly man. :Bowdown: :rolleyes:

~BB~

PS: So what do you look like, stud?!

[amberskyi]

Was I talking to your big mouth ass Bella? NO! Just because you wear a dress and panties dont mean youre a transwoman so dont get it twisted!

and im guessing you a man (with what credentials?) knows what makes someone trans

[BellaBellucci]

Yes licking duke chutes is normal since I also lick GG asses. If you cant figure it out too bad keep struggling with your identity of man or trans.

You're irrelevant. Not your statement. You. Welcome to Iggyland.

~BB~

[Birgitta]

and im guessing you a man (with what credentials?) knows what makes someone trans

Actually a lot of normal men do just understand what WOMAN want and need Amber.

The guys that are feminine masochistic and transvestite just confuse themselves and their desires with us... havent you learned that yet?

[BellaBellucci]

The guys that are feminine masochistic and transvestite just confuse themselves and their desires with us... havent you learned that yet?

Interesting change of tone. What? You think now you're going to include Amber in your little holier-than-thou party and she's going to immediately sell out her own principals?

Don't try to recruit your opponents. It's pathetic.

~BB~

[amberskyi]

Actually a lot of normal men do just understand what WOMAN want and need Amber.

The guys that are feminine masochistic and transvestite just confuse themselves and their desires with us... havent you learned that yet?

ive learned that NO ONE but me can define my womanhood.

[BellaBellucci]

ive learned that NO ONE but me can define my womanhood.

YouTube - "AND THE TRUTH shall set you free" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvp37o1jZUo)

~BB~

[slingblade]

Okay then,

Its not because of the Harry benjamin standards of care. I think they are nonsense too... but my view on transgendered woman differs from most.

I have met a lot of Tgirls/woman, and many of them were not very feminine. Mind you, I am not talking about their looks, anyone can get FFS and fool the world into believing they are woman. I am talking about the inside.

Try any transgenderfora and you will usually not find girls talking about girl stuff. Transgendered woman rarely talk about what it is like for them to be a woman.

In the west almost 80% were straight guys with a wife, jobs, children, etc so they become lesbians... those usually insist upon having a vagina and the one;s that do not go for surgery they view as males.

I was actually kicked from several websites run by these kind of TSwoman, because I expressed my doubt about having surgery.

So Bella should know, I actually know what it is like, still I think the way she responds to me is a little over reacting.

I seem to be the only girl here that is bothered by the way transgendered woman are portreyed in porn and in general.

Bottoming for Tgirls and sucking dick seems to be the norm. However almost all T girls with a normal female hormone belance (without excessive T) will not be able to perform in the bedroom without viagra.

Besides it is just TOTALLY past my understanding that a TS would actually WANT stuff like that, without making money from it. If you feel like a girl, why would you want to be a man in bed? Why would you be even able to be a man in bed? Especially for Tgirls because USUALLY they will want to do ANYTHING that makes them feel like a woman and NOTHING that will make them feel like a man. If you see my point.

I will never understand it.
I do not understand the 80% of TSwoman that were straight and always masculine that one day decide to be a lesbian woman.
And I dont understand Tgirls that behave like gaytops in bed. A lot of them are lesbians as well.

I dont feel at home in both words not do I feel at home in any transgender community. I would never have transitioned if not absolutely necessary, an my only wish is just to be normal girl.

But the circus around transgended woman in general is damaging.
I think it is a really bad stigma that due to TS porn Tgirls are portreyed as men serving passive men. Just because it sells.

Also it is damaging that those straight heterosexual lesbian T woman find their way to the media each time and make a fool out of the T community.
Cause nobody believes them!!!!

The amount of prejudice a T girl has to deal with due to her supposed sisters is a lot to swallow.

If Bella does not understand that, fuck her! lol

that was excellent not only are you beautiful and feminine but also very intelligent. :Bowdown:

[slingblade]

and im guessing you a man (with what credentials?) knows what makes someone trans

Please go on somewhere with that like you got DR infront of your name either.

[Birgitta]

ive learned that NO ONE but me can define my womanhood.

I have heard you say that you are better then woman because of your penis. If thats what helps you get through the day... do so.

[slingblade]

... says the anon lurker in the corner who proclaims loudly enough that he's a top to warrant suspicion that he may actually be a powerbottom. Wow. You're a top. You're such a big, manly man. :Bowdown: :rolleyes:

~BB~

PS: So what do you look like, stud?!

That's right baby i'm 100% top and you already know that if you ever got in my bed that i'd tear that ass up and you'd like the way I pounded it!!:):Bowdown:

[slingblade]

You're irrelevant. Not your statement. You. Welcome to Iggyland.

~BB~

My feelings are so hurt because the most opininated person on the board wants to ignore me because i'm not kissing her ass and agreeing with everything she says. :dancing:

[BellaBellucci]

I have heard you say that you are better then woman because of your penis. If thats what helps you get through the day... do so.

Is there anybody here you don't fight with?

~BB~

[Birgitta]

Isn't that convenient? What's more likely is that you're a self-hating gay man. That would certainly be the simpler, more precise explanation. You want to play psyche games with me? I think you better 'axe' somebody. :lol:

~BB~

Of course I hated it that I was viewed as a gay man (because I did not feel that way!)... that is why I transitioned... what is your excuse lol

[Birgitta]

Is there anybody here you don't fight with?

~BB~

You are the one that likes a good fight babe... Im just trying to have a conversation lol

[amberskyi]

I have heard you say that you are better then woman because of your penis. If thats what helps you get through the day... do so.

when have i EVER said that im a better woman because of my penis?? or did i say the fact that i have a penis doesnt define me as a woman.please dont twist my words around.thats basic and as someone who seems to have some kind of intelligence below you to be honest.

[russtafa]

Hey freddie are you a member of the sex police?

[slingblade]

You're irrelevant. Not your statement. You. Welcome to Iggyland.

~BB~

Bella you're actually quite sexy and i'd fuck you in a heartbeat but the thing that makes you seem ugly and such a turn off is that BIG MOUTH of YOURS..

[BellaBellucci]

Of course I hated it that I was viewed as a gay man... that is why I transitioned... what is your excuse lol

... because I'm actually a woman born male. I didn't hate myself before I transitioned and I didn't and don't hate my penis because I never felt that it had any bearing on who I was as a person; I just hated the fact that I couldn't be my true self, so now I am. I want SRS someday, but I'm not going to rush it.

And please allow me to rephrase something: I suspect you were ashamed to be a gay male. I should have been more clear. There's a huge difference between hating something and being ashamed of it and the two are certainly not mutually exclusive.

~BB~

[amberskyi]

Please go on somewhere with that like you got DR infront of your name either.

no but the many psychiatrist i had to go thru to get my hormones and my letter of recommendation to get ororchiectomy or srs do.

[Birgitta]

when have i EVER said that im a better woman because of my penis?? or did i say the fact that i have a penis doesnt define me as a woman.please dont twist my words around.thats basic and as someone who seems to have some kind of intelligence below you to be honest.

Of course your penis does not define your womanhood.

Freddy asked you what made you better then other woman...
You answered: my penis!

[BellaBellucci]

no but the many psychiatrist i had to go thru to get my hormones and my letter of recommendation to get ororchiectomy or srs do.

Womp!

~BB~

[amberskyi]

Of course your penis does not define your womanhood.

Freddy asked you what made you better then other woman...
You answered: my penis!

qoute me please

[Birgitta]

... because I'm actually a woman born male. I didn't hate myself before I transitioned and I didn't and don't hate my penis because I never felt that it had any bearing on who I was as a person; I just hated the fact that I couldn't be my true self, so now I am. I want SRS someday, but I'm not going to rush it.

And please allow me to rephrase something: I suspect you were ashamed to be a gay male. I should have been more clear. There's a huge difference between hating something and being ashamed of it and the two are certainly not mutually exclusive.

~BB~

I was not ashamed to be a gay guy lol... I have lots of gay friends...and I'll tell you something.. the gay community is way more understanding then the TS community that is hugely inhabited by straight men who haven't got the slightest clue about what being different or a woman is about...

[Birgitta]

qoute me please

Cmoon.... it was like two weeks ago!!!! How on earth do you expect me to find it...
ask Freddy he probably remembers....

It was probably in one of his threads

im not making this up....

[Ryz]

Classic freddie thread. I love how things never change around here :)

[amberskyi]

Cmoon.... it was like two weeks ago!!!! How on earth do you expect me to find it...
ask Freddy he probably remembers....

It was probably in one of his threads

im not making this up....

im very firm in my views,perceptions and beliefs.im not the type to waver from them or anything.saying that im better than a female cause i have a dick isnt one of them.
if i was the type to be wishy-washy then i would of fucked freddy already cause the kid is sexy and has a big dick lol.

[BellaBellucci]

I was not ashamed to be a gay guy lol... I have lots of gay friends...and I'll tell you something.. the gay community is way more understanding then the TS community that is hugely inhabited by straight men who haven't got the slightest clue about what being different or a woman is about...

OK, now that we each understand the other's perspective a little more, I'm still wondering what happened to you that was so devastating that you feel the need to take up the attitude that you have here. Who hurt you sweetheart?

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Classic freddie thread. I love how things never change around here :)

Soo, uhh... not to change the subject, but how'd you get so sexy anyway? :party:

~BB~

[Birgitta]

Classic freddie thread. I love how things never change around here :)

I am starting to appreciate the guy... at least he is honest about how he feels.

[BellaBellucci]

I am starting to appreciate the guy... at least he is honest about how he feels.

Has anyone ever seen you and him in the same place on the internet at the same time? :geek:

~BB~

[Ryz]

Soo, uhh... not to change the subject, but how'd you get so sexy anyway? :party:

~BB~

No clue :P

[BellaBellucci]

No clue :P

So you didn't work at it? It just came naturally? :Bowdown: :fuckin:

~BB~

[Ryz]

I am starting to appreciate the guy... at least he is honest about how he feels.

Haha, I suppose. I think he's funny, but a lot of people here are always catching feelings from his posts. Meh :shrug

[Ryz]

So you didn't work at it? It just came naturally? :Bowdown: :fuckin:

~BB~

Haha, stop. I guess it did <3

[Birgitta]

OK, now that we each understand the other's perspective a little more, I'm still wondering what happened to you that was so devastating that you feel the need to take up the attitude that you have here. Who hurt you sweetheart?

~BB~

Just having to be a ts and getting all that openmindedness crap shoved down my throat did lol

[BellaBellucci]

Just having to be a ts and getting all that openmindedness crap shoved down my throat did lol

Why? Because it shatters your illusions of superiority? :geek:

YouTube - Elvis Costello (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love and Understanding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RVDQgVxprE)

Seriously.

~BB~

[Birgitta]

im very firm in my views,perceptions and beliefs.im not the type to waver from them or anything.saying that im better than a female cause i have a dick isnt one of them.
if i was the type to be wishy-washy then i would of fucked freddy already cause the kid is sexy and has a big dick lol.


Freddy at one point asked you what made you better then woman for having the attitude that you have lol, and you replied, my cock, dick or something like that.

You were probably just joking then

[Birgitta]

Why? Because it shatters your illusions of superiority? :geek:

YouTube - Elvis Costello (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love and Understanding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RVDQgVxprE)

Seriously.

~BB~

I can get sex as a bttm anytime i want too, but i dont want or need it, i like to share love with a man that loves me for who i am, not just for sex and not for my genitals. Do you seriously believe any of those powerbttms love you coz u are a woman? No they love you coz you are not, but because you are a ts it is a mortal sin in their eyes to let them know they make you feel like a freak instead of a woman.

They are soooooo open minded, thar the only thing they seem to understand are their own needs lol

[Birgitta]

And i would not mind it if like 50% of the men in the scene were like that, but they are actually 98% of the men here making you believe they support you as woman, while all they can think about is your hard cock in their arse lol

[Prospero]

There are none so blind as those who look only in their own carnival mirror and see their own truth reflected back to them. Birgitta - I thought you were smart and likeable but i suspect that hate is your primary driver?

Oh should I have added lol - just to soften the remark like you do?

[Birgitta]

There are none so blind as those who look only in their own carnival mirror and see their own truth reflected back to them. Birgitta - I thought you were smart and likeable but i suspect that hate is your primary driver?

Oh should I have added lol - just to soften the remark like you do?


In my case the truth that i see in the mirror is an unhappy one for tgirls like me, so i dont see any advantage for myself wanting to see things the way i do

[BellaBellucci]

I can get sex as a bttm anytime i want too, but i dont want or need it, i like to share love with a man that loves me for who i am, not just for sex and not for my genitals. Do you seriously believe any of those powerbttms love you coz u are a woman? No they love you coz you are not, but because you are a ts it is a mortal sin in their eyes to let them know they make you feel like a freak instead of a woman.

They are soooooo open minded, thar the only thing they seem to understand are their own needs lol

Here's the thing you don't seem to understand. I'm not actually a member of the class I'm representing here so this isn't personal for me. I'm not a top... unless there is money involved or I'm (rarely) with a GG. That's right I'm bi, and I'm sure you have plenty of bigoted, homophobic views about that too so have at it so I can mock you some more.

But more importantly, what the fuck does love have to do with this?

~BB~

[Birgitta]

I
Here's the thing you don't seem to understand. I'm not actually a member of the class I'm representing here so this isn't personal for me. I'm not a top... unless there is money involved or I'm (rarely) with a GG. That's right I'm bi, and I'm sure you have plenty of bigoted, homophobic views about that too so have at it so I can mock you some more.

But more importantly, what the fuck does love have to do with this?

~BB~

I have a bisexual twoman as a friend so no.
And love and truth are rarely found in this scene lol
So who is it that is spreading the hate prospero lol

[Prospero]

"But more importantly, what the fuck does love have to do with this?"

I think I see that, for Birgitta, a loving relationship is what she is looking for -untainted by any issue around the gender she has rejected emotionally but not (Yet) rid herself off physically. I assume she does not wish - or cannot - enjoy sex divorced from a loving relationship. There are plenty of women and men who share that emotional reality.

[Prospero]

And I am not spreading hate around at all Birgitta... simply sad that you reject as false my open mindedness about the rich variety of human sexual and emotional needs. You do seem to hate those who do not share the same view of sexuaity as you.
LOL

[Birgitta]

And I am not spreading hate around at all Birgitta... simply sad that you reject as false my open mindedness about the rich variety of human sexual and emotional needs. You do seem to hate those who do not share the same view of sexuaity as you.
LOL

You know i dont hate you personally, i might even easely love you, if we ever met irl. I do hate the sad facts about being a ts lol. The stuff you have to deal with for being different when from the inside you are not.

Just the basic need to feel loved for who you are not for what you are not,
I think that is what kills many of us

[BellaBellucci]

"But more importantly, what the fuck does love have to do with this?"

I think I see that, for Birgitta, a loving relationship is what she is looking for -untainted by any issue around the gender she has rejected emotionally but not (Yet) rid herself off physically. I assume she does not wish - or cannot - enjoy sex divorced from a loving relationship. There are plenty of women and men who share that emotional reality.

I understand that for her, but this is quite clearly not a dating site, even if some of us have, umm, fraternized. :lol:



Just the basic need to feel love for who you are not for what you are not
I think that is what kills many of us

You're right, but coming here to complain about it in the manner you have isn't helping anyone.

~BB~

[Mayrah]

You know i dont hate you personally, i might even easely love you, if we ever met irl. I do hate the sad facts about being a ts lol. The stuff you have to deal with for being different when from the inside you are not.

Just the basic need to feel love for who you are not for what you are not

You have mental issues, i would suggest seeing a therapist for your problems because from the way i see it, you have ALOT of hate towards yourself.:)

[Birgitta]

I understand that for her, but this is quite clearly not a dating site, even if some of us have, umm, fraternized. :lol:



You're right, but coming here to complain about it in the manner you have isn't helping anyone.

~BB~

It helps me blow off steam, and some guys might even learn a few things about the feelings of ts woman instead of the shemale cocksize

[BellaBellucci]

It helps me blow off steam, and some guys might even learn a few things about the feelings of ts woman instead of the shemale cocksize

I still can't argue with your sentiment, but there about a gazillion better ways to have accomplished that. :geek:

~BB~

[Prospero]

Peace. And calling someone mental is just unpleasant Mayrah.

[Birgitta]

You have mental issues, i would suggest seeing a therapist for your problems because from the way i see it, you have ALOT of hate towards yourself.:)

Ask any girl on the street if they would like to trade with you and be a ts, the answer would be no except for a handfull of lesbians that dream about being a man. That is mental health for you lol

[BellaBellucci]

Ask any girl on the street if they would like to trade with you and be a ts, the answer would be no except for a handfull of lesbians that dream about being a man. That is mental health for you lol

Did you miss my second page post on that topic? I just spent TWO weeks with TWO women who are NOT lesbians, who are GG escorts, who wished they had penises. I really think you'd be surprised if you'd open your mind, but unfortunately you've already made it clear that you don't want to. Sad, really.

Oh, and asking a woman that question right out on the street in public is the best way to force her to lie.

~BB~

[Birgitta]

Did you miss my second page post on that topic? I just spent TWO weeks with TWO women who are NOT lesbians, who are GG escorts, who wished they had penises. I really think you'd be surprised if you'd open your mind, but unfortunately you've already made it clear that you don't want to. Sad, really.

Oh, and asking a woman that question right out on the street in public is the best way to force her to lie.

~BB~

Oh cmon bella lol, they will make a lot more money then but if they knew what it was really like to be a ts, they would pass

[Bobzz]

Maybe if we all ignored Birgitta, she'd just go away, Just a thought

[amberskyi]

Maybe if we all ignored Birgitta, she'd just go away, Just a thought

agreed

[Prospero]

I don't want her to go away.

[Birgitta]

I would consider myself a serious mental patient if i wanted to be a ts looool

[BellaBellucci]

Oh cmon bella lol, they will make a lot more money then but if they knew what it wad really like to be a ts, they would pass

Most GG escorts I know make more money than I do. Of course their rates are lower and so they have to see more clients than I do, but that's a whole other conversation. As to whether or not these girls would hate to be TS? Yeah, you're probably right about that part. I think they'd prefer to have a...

YouTube - King Missile - Detachable Penis (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBPgJQhQHc)


I don't want her to go away.

Entertainment!!! :lol:

~BB~

[Prospero]

Interesting. In London most of the truly attractive GG escorts charge more than transexuals.

[BellaBellucci]

Interesting. In London most of the truly attractive GG escorts charge more than transexuals.

The escort market here in L.A. is oversaturated. There's a lot of competition.

~BB~

[Mayrah]

Peace. And calling someone mental is just unpleasant Mayrah.

Its not to harass her or anything, im dead serious.

One of the first few steps in transistion is self acceptance, i dont see that anywhere from her comments. Its also the comparing herself that we live in a fantasy/dream world and that she lives in the reality and the shit she has to go through as a TS while we go through the same steps.

If you check in the first pages from this thread, you can see her agreeing with Freddie about penis = eeww and what a real man is. Then she starts about Love one or two pages back.

Those things are completly different.

[Birgitta]

Its not to harass her or anything, im dead serious.

One of the first few steps in transistion is self acceptance, i dont see that anywhere from her comments. Its also the comparing herself that we live in a fantasy/dream world and that she lives in the reality and the shit she has to go through as a TS while we go through the same steps.

If you check in the first pages from this thread, you can see her agreeing with Freddie about penis = eeww and what a real man is. Then she starts about Love one or two pages back.

Those things are completly different.

Sorry you dont have the mental capacity to understand where i am coming from. And for your information, self acceptance is an issue for almost any human being lol. And my self is not my body lol, i have accepted who i am from the inside, i will probably always have a hard time accepting that i am a ts.

[BellaBellucci]

i will probably always have a hard time accepting that i am a ts.

Of this I'm sure... and now I have to be serious for a second: if you feel that way you really should be seeing a professional. In case you missed it, a friend of ours here with very similar feelings to yours took her own life recently. You're annoying, you're insecure, you're closed-minded, but you don't deserve to die. Your account here on HA maybe, but not you. Please get help. I'm not joking. :(

~BB~

[DL_NL]

Freddy, you're a fucking idiot.

That.

And it's sad to see all those threads trying to convince himself that he's straight, when he's in fact the only one who really cares.

[Mayrah]

Sorry you dont have the mental capacity to understand where i am coming from. And for your information, self acceptance is an issue for almost any human being lol. And my self is not my body lol, i have accepted who i am from the inside, i will probably always have a hard time accepting that i am a ts.

I do understand, and yes self acceptance is a issue for alot of people. but as a TS, you need to be strong or your not going to make it.. especially if you cant accept your body.

[runningdownthatdream]

i will probably always have a hard time accepting that i am a ts.

You are an intelligent person and hopefully you see the relationship between that statement and your abhorrence for men who love the male parts of TS women and for TS women themselves who have accepted what fate has dealt. One cannot unmake who or what they are - transform perhaps - but not unmake. And if you continue to torture yourself over the inability to do that, it could lead to unpleasant things as Bella suggested.

I hope you don't leave the board - in more ways than one.

[Birgitta]

Of this I'm sure... and now I have to be serious for a second: if you feel that way you really should be seeing a professional. In case you missed it, a friend of ours here with very similar feelings to yours took her own life recently. You're annoying, you're insecure, you're closed-minded, but you don't deserve to die. Your account here on HA maybe, but not you. Please get help. I'm not joking. :(

~BB~

She probably developed those feelings despite of all the love she got from the males in the t community scene, who really are open minded and undetstanding and cared for her feelings,

Im just being honest, doesnt mean i have to see a therapist and i do actually, just to keep me sane

[Birgitta]

I do understand, and yes self acceptance is a issue for alot of people. but as a TS, you need to be strong or your not going to make it.. especially if you cant accept your body.

I made it so far lol

[dderek123]

the understanding the general public gets from the TS community... is that we are all a bunch of straight masculine males that selfishly ruin marriages and the lives of children by insisting we are female while NOBODY in our envirement actually believes us....

And that those who are non/op love to fuck males and be top.... That is the image the general public will have of us...

I am sorry for expressing my feelings about it lol!
I will practise "openmindedness" next time LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well the general public is dumb and misinformed. Not everyone thinks of TS that way.

Let's flip it around for a second.

The general public most likely believes that men that are into TS and want to do whatever with them sexually are: crazy, gay, gay and in denial about it, a cockhound, closet case, a chaser. All those negative stereotypes wrapped up and dumped on little old me.

And so what do I get out of pondering about what the general public thinks of me and what I do? Pretty much nothing. I have made up my own mind about what I want to do and how it's going to be done.

I just keep on given'r and not worry about all the other crap.

[Birgitta]

Well the general public is dumb and misinformed. Not everyone thinks of TS that way.

Let's flip it around for a second.

The general public most likely believes that men that are into TS and want to do whatever with them sexually are: crazy, gay, gay and in denial about it, a cockhound, closet case, a chaser. All those negative stereotypes wrapped up and dumped on little old me.

And so what do I get out of pondering about what the general public thinks of me and what I do? Pretty much nothing. I have made up my own mind about what I want to do and how it's going to be done.

I just keep on given'r and not worry about all the other crap.

I cannot blame the general public for thinking men that are into Twoman are gay... I mean look at the porn lol!
But you probably are right... and I should not be bothered with it anyway...

Still I think in the end all this stuff will make it harder for tgirls to be accepted as woman, and for them to find a bf, who can deal with the prejudice the community only feeds instead of reducing it.

[amberskyi]

I cannot blame the general public for thinking men that are into Twoman are gay... I mean look at the porn lol!
But you probably are right... and I should not be bothered with it anyway...

Still I think in the end all this stuff will make it harder for tgirls to be accepted as woman, and for them to find a bf, who can deal with the prejudice the community only feeds instead of reducing it.

lol.men are the least of my problems.well actually having to much men in ones life is one of my current problems now lol.im in the process of elimination now.

[TsVanessa69]

That.

And it's sad to see all those threads trying to convince himself that he's straight, when he's in fact the only one who really cares.
It kills me when guys don't know what they want, nor are the people they diss have the remote interest in them. As a transexual who just turned 39, I have seen alot and been through alot. But when I see people like this dude, I THANK GOD I was man enough to accept MY reality and live it and love it! There are some sorry ass people in this world, this dude talks so much shit about trans woman, what trans woman would ever lower herself to acknowledge him unless he was paying??

[TsVanessa69]

Of course your penis does not define your womanhood.

Freddy asked you what made you better then other woman...
You answered: my penis!
That was the correct answer.
Many men are realizing that for them, a transexual is better than a female.
Being female just means that there is a vagina.
A vagina means she can get pregnant, trap a nigga for 18 years of child support and God knows what else.
Some men don't want children, its not part of their life plan.
Some men want a fem-bot, a barbie doll, a dime piece every day they wake up.
So yes a penis does make a transexual BETTER than a female for MANY men in 2011.

[TsVanessa69]

lol.men are the least of my problems.well actually having to much men in ones life is one of my current problems now lol.im in the process of elimination now.
amen!

[TsVanessa69]

fuck thats shit.if you can eat a girls pussy than you can sure as hell put my dick in your mouth.
no one puts their cock in my ass without putting mines in theirs mouth.
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps"
AMEN!!!!! With all the sexier dudes in this world who will, why waste time with a lame ass nigga who won't. If dick is that big of a turn off to a man, he can stick to females. As transexuals we pick and choose as we please. A man is here to please us, if you can't please me you can pay me. If you can't do both, I have no problem throwing you out, mid fuck!

[TsVanessa69]

no youre not the only one ive wondered this myself why in the hell would someone waste time becomming a tranny if they want to top and fuck guys in the ass?
Ignorance and lames seem to run amuck on this site.
Gender identity and sexual preference are 2 very different things. As a transexual, I transitioned for me, not to please other people or follow their norms.
I am the best of BOTH worlds, and MANY men appreciate that. Thats why you dudes are bitchin and moanin on a tranny forum, while the REAL men are spending that time and energy enjoying their ts!

[TsVanessa69]

You have some of the most retarded ass threads on here! You never give up... why the fuck you into trannies??? Everything they got you dont like so be with a real woman!

I dont honestly want to be a woman, a lot of trannies do... but the ones that love to be who they are, and accept they are trannies love to use what they got! If a guy only wants to fuck me but not touch or suck me, then hes not fucking me! You cant have your cake and eat it too and not satisfy me. Fucking rarely ever satisfies me, I need someone sucking me off or what not!
He is mad becuase in his mind he is all that. But the truth of the matter is, denial makes people lash out. He wants a tranny, but his ignorance and insecurity in his manhood means no tranny wants him.

[ati tan]

100% agree with freddie (this is dopearope)

i hate watchign tranny porn and seeing a tgirl fucking a dude..instant boner killerA dude in tranny porn period, is a boner killer.

But nah Freddy, TG's topping GG's and other TG's is insanely hot. You're doing a symp/front move.

[Jackal]

AMEN!!!!! With all the sexier dudes in this world who will, why waste time with a lame ass nigga who won't. If dick is that big of a turn off to a man, he can stick to females. As transexuals we pick and choose as we please. A man is here to please us, if you can't please me you can pay me. If you can't do both, I have no problem throwing you out, mid fuck!


You're right, there comes a point when you are just being selfish with whoever your partner is. A lot of guys just want to fuck GGs/post op ts and would prefer not to give oral sex but do to please their girlfriend. A lot of women ts or gg may not like giving oral all that much but do it if their bf wants it.

[onmyknees]

Of this I'm sure... and now I have to be serious for a second: if you feel that way you really should be seeing a professional. In case you missed it, a friend of ours here with very similar feelings to yours took her own life recently. You're annoying, you're insecure, you're closed-minded, but you don't deserve to die. Your account here on HA maybe, but not you. Please get help. I'm not joking. :(

~BB~

You see Bella...that's where you lose me, and I'm guessing lots of others. You don't need a fucking blow torch to light a joint ...a bic lighter will do just fine. Holy Shit. Heard of being subtle? Brigitta has grown more opinionated , but you above anyone should respect that. The fact her opinion doesn't jive with yours ...doesn't make hers wrong. She's livin' her life as she sees fit in a sometimes unfriendly world and she seems pretty well adjusted from what I read . You told me once I was passive/aggressive. Look in the mirror lately baby?
There isn't anybody on here capable of shrinking someone else...I know of no PHD's here...Lighten up ...have another bad day did we?

[BellaBellucci]

You see Bella...that's where you lose me, and I'm guessing lots of others. You don't need a fucking blow torch to light a joint ...a bic lighter will do just fine. Holy Shit. Heard of being subtle? Brigitta has grown more opinionated , but you above anyone should respect that. The fact her opinion doesn't jive with yours ...doesn't make hers wrong. She's livin' her life as she sees fit in a sometimes unfriendly world and she seems pretty well adjusted from what I read . You told me once I was passive/aggressive. Look in the mirror lately baby?
There isn't anybody on here capable of shrinking someone else...I know of no PHD's here...Lighten up ...have another bad day did we?

Passive aggressive is flirting with me in another thread and then hitting me with this, but I digress.

I can answer your criticisms quite simply: my statements are inclusive, hers are exclusive. She struts her opinions out as if she's better than us and owns the place. Sure, she's entitled to her opinion on things but there's enough closed-minded bigotry on this board from the men that someone has to stand up to it. That someone is me. Got a problem with that? It's your problem.

~BB~

[onmyknees]

Passive aggressive is flirting with me in another thread and then hitting me with this, but I digress.

I can answer your criticisms quite simply: my statements are inclusive, hers are exclusive. She struts her opinions out as if she's better than us and owns the place. Sure, she's entitled to her opinion on things but there's enough closed-minded bigotry on this board from the men that someone has to stand up to it. That someone is me. Got a problem with that? It's your problem.

~BB~


You're fucking brutal ...I'm serious. I like you but there are times when you're striaght up the most angy, intolerant person on here. You make Little Guy seem like a peach..And don't give me this shit about your strong opinions...That's Bullshit. You cut like a fucking knife, then twist it. You constantly lecture us about close minded bigotry, and you can be as costic a person there is when someone rubs your ass the wrong way. It's like you need to be angry every so often, but you're version of anger is harmful . Who the fuck are you to tell someone to get help ?...you're in no position to make that recommendation. You got plenty of love to spread around as long as they see things your way.
Tonight you deserve a go fuck yourself !

[BellaBellucci]

Who the fuck are you to tell someone to get help ?

Are you blind? I was being sincere. So were the other people, plural, who agreed that Birgitta may have some legitimate issues. She told us that she already is seeing a therapist, so where's the problem?

Oh, right, it's in your head. Stop projecting your anger onto me. You can question my methods, but you shouldn't make the mistake of questioning my motives. I've proved time and time again that they're progressive, not personal.

~BB~

PS: Your girlfriend Nicole was the most brutal TS that's ever posted here. :?

[robertlouis]

Fuck me, is this shit still going on?

[Tepres]

Nicole was never one to suffer fools gladly. Though I didn't always agree with her, or her methods, she did serve a purpose in the overall ecology of this forum. :twisted:

[dderek123]

I cannot blame the general public for thinking men that are into Twoman are gay... I mean look at the porn lol!

Not everyone watches TS porn you know.... Oh I see you're being funny. I get it.


Still I think in the end all this stuff will make it harder for tgirls to be accepted as woman, and for them to find a bf, who can deal with the prejudice the community only feeds instead of reducing it.
So what if it does. Everyone has a story to tell.

[robertlouis]

Why should tgirl sexuality be defined as an absolute one way or the other?

Surely it can be every bit as diverse as that of any other gender. It's the constant attempts in this thread to pin it down to one narrow interpretation or another that piss me off.

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

Please.

[Bobzz]

Why should tgirl sexuality be defined as an absolute one way or the other?

Surely it can be every bit as diverse as that of any other gender. It's the constant attempts in this thread to pin it down to one narrow interpretation or another that piss me off.

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

Please.

The only thing about which I am intolerant is intolerance... and the only thing I can't resist is temptation.

[dderek123]

Why should tgirl sexuality be defined as an absolute one way or the other?

Surely it can be every bit as diverse as that of any other gender. It's the constant attempts in this thread to pin it down to one narrow interpretation or another that piss me off.

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

Please.
Great point. Some people just think that they are the center of the universe. Everything needs to be scrutinized according to their standards. The things that don't pass this test are "wrong" or "bad". And then they turn to the internet to bitch about it on forums.

What gets me is that some of the people that practice what I mentioned above tend to feel surprised when someone else doesn't share the same opinion as them.

[BellaBellucci]

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

Please.

Thank you for that. :)

~BB~

[Chaotic]

35 pages?!

REALLY?!:crazy

[BLKGSXR]

35 pages?!

REALLY?!:crazy
Only a "Freddie Gomez" thread can go this far in such little time...the motherfucker could say he likes hot nacho cheese on his ass and then eaten off and by the end of the week either he will be raped as usual or hated again as usual...Just saying the motherfucker has a knack for this shit.

[robertlouis]

Why should tgirl sexuality be defined as an absolute one way or the other?

Surely it can be every bit as diverse as that of any other gender. It's the constant attempts in this thread to pin it down to one narrow interpretation or another that piss me off.



Thank you for that. :)

~BB~

Thank you Bella. What's your view on the rest of that post please?

[BellaBellucci]

Thank you Bella. What's your view on the rest of that post please?

I think I've been very clear in this thread. Why would you ask me to rehash it all over again?! :?

~BB~

[bte]

Damn in 2 days, this thread got over 300 replies. Shit, Freddie whats your secret on making a successful thread?

[robertlouis]

Thank you for that. :)

~BB~


I think I've been very clear in this thread. Why would you ask me to rehash it all over again?! :?

~BB~

Err, yes. As I've been campaigning for a while for this thread to slow to a natural conclusion the last thing I'd want is a recapitulation of the arguments lol.

And I've got a wedding to go to in the morning.....:party:

[Birgitta]

You see Bella...that's where you lose me, and I'm guessing lots of others. You don't need a fucking blow torch to light a joint ...a bic lighter will do just fine. Holy Shit. Heard of being subtle? Brigitta has grown more opinionated , but you above anyone should respect that. The fact her opinion doesn't jive with yours ...doesn't make hers wrong. She's livin' her life as she sees fit in a sometimes unfriendly world and she seems pretty well adjusted from what I read . You told me once I was passive/aggressive. Look in the mirror lately baby?
There isn't anybody on here capable of shrinking someone else...I know of no PHD's here...Lighten up ...have another bad day did we?

Thanks honey, yes i am pretty well adjusted. Bella seems to want to take everything i say very personally, even starts a thread centered around me "who is birgitta" with false accusations to make people here hate me. At the same time she wants to see me banned.

Its very funny people here tell me i should be thick skinned, that i have mental problems, that i feel better then them (which i dont lol) only for not agreeing with them and for having a different opinion. You should be able to deal with people that do not agree when you are a ts, because there always people that will not agree with you, and just because they dont does not mean their opinion is less valid or untrue.

I am probably one of the few girls here that wants to be and enjoy life as a woman as much as i can. I dont much enjoy the t community scene and the chaser types, i like guys that behave like straight men, causs i feel like a straight woman.

[Birgitta]

And yes its true a lot of t girls do not behave like woman, they want to be special, get loads of attention, etcetc, with respect and admiration for the girls that are into escort to pay for their transition and the rent etc thats not what i mean, but ts in tporn are portryed as ts woman with a gay sexuality, they are not woman, often are not treated like woman, and their admirers do not want them to be woman. This maybe fitting for a lot of girls but not all of us are like that.

And please dont start again calling me closed minded etc, there are a lot of people out there in the world that would not consider me a woman because i am a ts, what makes you think i am any better then them. I can have sympathy and respect and understanding for their opinion as long as they give me the freedom to be who i am. Bella and others here are forcing openmindedness on people like dictators lol

[Birgitta]

Also i dont see why i should get mental healthcare for not wanting to be a ts. I think that is probably one of the few things that makes ME sane loool

But i do enjoy life as much as i can, the other day after our discussion, i went into the city and had guys flirt with me more the usual lol, and that really helps to improve my mood, the same guys in the past would shout hoooomooooo from the open windows of their cars, its funny the way this has changed

I enjoy this but i am not delusional, i will always remember where i came from and how they treated me back then

[Birgitta]

Great point. Some people just think that they are the center of the universe. Everything needs to be scrutinized according to their standards. The things that don't pass this test are "wrong" or "bad". And then they turn to the internet to bitch about it on forums.

What gets me is that some of the people that practice what I mentioned above tend to feel surprised when someone else doesn't share the same opinion as them.

I am actually the centre of my universe, just like bella and just like you. And yes i do have my own standards thank the heavens xxx

And i am actually extremely used to people not agreeing with me and i will be quite suprised if anyone backed me up for once lol

[Prospero]

Well I'll say it again. Birgitta - you and i may not agree on everything, but I think you're terrific.

[Birgitta]

Well I'll say it again. Birgitta - you and i may not agree on everything, but I think you're terrific.

I believe diamanda once said in an interview that she thinks we should not all want to get along and agree with eachother.

You know seriously if i only allowed myself to be around people who think im a real girl even when they know i am a ts, i am making life hard on myself and hard for the people around me. Its up to them what they think of me as long as they treat me with respect for the human being i am and my freedom to be who i am. I am not telling anyone here they should change what they love or how to live their life.

I would not even dare to do so lol.

I am sure that we would get along just fine in real life, and if i did not care at all, why would i even bother to share my views. When i dont like someone i usually just stay away lol.

And i may not sound like it but i do respect you and the way you identify yourself.
Thats really up to you,

The problem is that you cant force people to see you in the same manner, i cant force all people to believe i am a real girl from the inside, i dont even try anymore, its all good. I know who i am and thats enough, but it is nice to share it with someone, and i agree kind of sad when you cant.

But it does not mean we cant be friends, i got lots of gay friends, allright prospero, you may spank me for saying that, or shall i spank you, maybe thats a better punishment for me, lets hope i wont enjoy it otherwise i will get in trouble with bella again looool
Xxxhugs
Birgitta

[Prospero]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::Bowdown:

[LibertyHarkness]

each to their own i say ...i live by a simple rule in that there isnt a single human/being/entitiy in existence that can tell me how to live my life, other than myself ..

I listen to others, accept others ideals/ whether i think its a crock of old shit is irrelevant just smile and move along :) life is to short for getting into bickering about who is correct, what should be right etc ...

Just live for you and you alone ..then your life will be better thing to enjoy ..i learn the hard way of trying to live my life to please others and its a waste of time as its always a one sided affair .

Bella finds birgetta opionated but then the same was said of bella not that long ago etc then before bella it was tsntx i think i cant remember there has been so many characters that come and go on these boards lol but ultimately who actually really gives a fuck its just a silly internet board that is here for light entertainment, promotion, escorting, porn and just amusing banter ... if your looking for serious thought out converstaions join a proper site for that type of affar ... .. Now i rarely get involved with disputes and arguments on here as its just a frugle affair as it doesnt benefit me in anyway so not worth the time of day ....people just need to lighten up ...

your not going to get along with everyone, and yes you will offend people with words etc , shit happens get over it .... sticks and stones eh :)

on a side note about bottoming .. i love to bottom lol

[traLika]

your not going to get along with everyone, and yes you will offend people with words etc , shit happens get over it .... sticks and stones eh :)



Couldn’t agree more. In the immortal words of Mr Senor Love Daddy: “Time out! TIME OUT! Y'all take a chill! Ya need to cool that shit out! And that's the double truth, Ruth!” ;)

[TJ347]

Another dumbass who cant read past 3 lines and immediatly says what is right or wrong:loser:

Neither he nor Freddy said anything was "right or wrong". They clearly stated that what they were giving was their opinion. Some people here would be greatly helped if they could actually be bothered to read a post before emotionally reacting to what they think is being said.

[TJ347]

get that badboy inverted and your problems will disappear

As will 99.9% of your "fans" here. :whistle:

[runningdownthatdream]

And yes its true a lot of t girls do not behave like woman, they want to be special, get loads of attention, etcetc, with respect and admiration for the girls that are into escort to pay for their transition and the rent etc thats not what i mean, but ts in tporn are portryed as ts woman with a gay sexuality, they are not woman, often are not treated like woman, and their admirers do not want them to be woman. This maybe fitting for a lot of girls but not all of us are like that.

And please dont start again calling me closed minded etc, there are a lot of people out there in the world that would not consider me a woman because i am a ts, what makes you think i am any better then them. I can have sympathy and respect and understanding for their opinion as long as they give me the freedom to be who i am. Bella and others here are forcing openmindedness on people like dictators lol

A good point you made. You demonstrated openmindedness in other topics though, so when you voiced strong negative opinions against groups of people here it was more shocking than if one of the resident bigots had done it.

I think for some of us that have faced oppression (in whatever form it takes) we want to believe in a shared camaraderie against the oppressor (whoever they may be) and in this case you validated the oppressor. (maybe i'm just talking rubbish and have just been reading too much Frantz Fanon lately)

Anyways, for what it's worth I find your ideas interesting although I don't agree withall of the latter ones and hope you keep posting.

[muh_muh]

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

things become truely bizarre when people try to define gender and sexuality in ridiculously simplistic and exclusive binary catergories while not even seeing the irony that they cannot possibly fit into either

[Paladin]

fuck thats shit.if you can eat a girls pussy than you can sure as hell put my dick in your mouth.
no one puts their cock in my ass without putting mines in theirs mouth.
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps"

Amber, do not feed the trolls! why fg is still on this site is beyond comprehension...

[FreddieGomez]

so if i said every trannie should be a top ya'll would agree with me right?

[BellaBellucci]

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore, and I won't argue with Birgitta point for point, but... I do find it interesting how quick everyone is to to defend her all of a sudden simply because she rephrased the fucked up things she said... and has a pretty avatar. Don't believe the hype boys: Birgitta could look like big bird for all you know.

Men. Such simple creatures. And as to Birgitta, I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~

[Schimmel]

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore,
I wish you would hold onto to that original intention.



Why a GG?! I'd do it in a heartbeat. :dancing:

~BB~
Nobody's even talkin to u, stfu already.

[BellaBellucci]

I wish you would hold onto to that original intention.



Nobody's even talkin to u, stfu already.

Simmer down, Nicole. :loser:

~BB~

[TJ347]

I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~

And for good reason, that being that you take yourself way too seriously.

It's not surprising to me that as Birgitta has expressed an opinion you disagree with you and you can't convince other people into turning against her, you now accuse her of manipulating people and have even gone so far as to creating a thread about her in order to further malign her. We have seen this before, and we'll see it again.

[BellaBellucci]

And for good reason, that being that you take yourself way too seriously.

It's not surprising to me that as Birgitta has expressed an opinion you disagree with you and you can't convince other people into turning against her, you now accuse her of manipulating people and have even gone so far as to creating a thread about her in order to further malign her. We have seen this before, and we'll see it again.

Wrong. I take life seriously, the scope of which is not limited to myself. And I didn't malign anyone. I just thought we all had a right to know something about the background of the person, the n00b person, who has come here to stir the pot. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, but most importantly: why is it that nobody on this board seems to believe that anybody on it has the best interests of the majority at heart? Is it because, like I pointed out on the escort rate threat, people find transsexuals selfish and wasteful? Well, that's all well and good, but it still sounds like stereotyping to me. :wiggle:

~BB~

PS: Only the men seem to be defending her. That's fascinating, but not surprising. :rolleyes:

[Birgitta]

things become truely bizarre when people try to define gender and sexuality in ridiculously simplistic and exclusive binary catergories while not even seeing the irony that they cannot possibly fit into either



Not true, i am veeery aware i do not fit anywhere. All the assumptions people make lol pffew

[Birgitta]

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore, and I won't argue with Birgitta point for point, but... I do find it interesting how quick everyone is to to defend her all of a sudden simply because she rephrased the fucked up things she said... and has a pretty avatar. Don't believe the hype boys: Birgitta could look like big bird for all you know.

Men. Such simple creatures. And as to Birgitta, I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~


Haha yeah i thought that was funny too! Maybe i should put the picture with the bird up again...i dont feel like posting my picture just because it could end up anywhere once i do. And i am afraid nobody knows me irl on this board so big bird it is i guess lol

[TJ347]

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

[Birgitta]

Wrong. I take life seriously, the scope of which is not limited to myself. And I didn't malign anyone. I just thought we all had a right to know something about the background of the person, the n00b person, who has come here to stir the pot. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, but most importantly: why is it that nobody on this board seems to believe that anybody on it has the best interests of the majority at heart? Is it because, like I pointed out on the escort rate threat, people find transsexuals selfish and wasteful? Well, that's all well and good, but it still sounds like stereotyping to me. :wiggle:

~BB~

PS: Only the men seem to be defending her. That's fascinating, but not surprising. :rolleyes:

So what do you want to know bella? I tell stuff about my background and i do understand that my opinion is not loved by everyone lol, and that it is not true for everyone, but it is for me psychologically and emotionally.

Again did not mean to hurt you and i am not manipulating anyone, im way to busy damaging any reputation i might have for sharing my thoughts lil

[BellaBellucci]

Haha yeah i thought that was funny too! Maybe i should put the picture with the bird up again...i dont feel like posting my picture just because it could end up anywhere once i do. And i am afraid nobody knows me irl on this board so big bird it is i guess lol

That's fine. I'm not judging your decision, but you need to realize the consequences of that. Namely the fact that nobody knows who are you or from where you're coming from and the only people who defend you want to fuck you, sight unseen. :geek:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

Well then I guess I should be the one to leave instead, if that's the way everyone feels. And to be honest, it could save me a whole lotta grief. I don't benefit any from being morally upstanding anyway. It seems that nobody, seemingly anywhere, puts value in it anymore. :geek:

~BB~

[runningdownthatdream]

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

I think Bella is being genuine when she says she has another's best interests at heart. She flys off the handle but I don't think she's vitriolic like some others. She's also a conspiracy theorist but that helps keep others honest. I'm sure she and Birgitta would get along quite well IRL.

[Birgitta]

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

Guys defending me for my looks is enjoyable but really i am not here to show off, or for the guys, it would be nice to make friends, but i am not looking for romance or sex coz i am in a relationship, if i was not i would have tried to be more charming lol
That is marianne faithfull in my avatar.

[Birgitta]

I think Bella is being genuine when she says she has another's best interests at heart. She flys off the handle but I don't think she's vitriolic like some others. She's also a conspiracy theorist but that helps keep others honest. I'm sure she and Birgitta would get along quite well IRL.

Yes i am sure of that too, i like her lol. But the feeling isn"t mutual but i understand why.

[muh_muh]

Not true, i am veeery aware i do not fit anywhere. All the assumptions people make lol pffew

then why do you still insist on pigeonholing people in these silly categories of what youve decided to be either feminine or masculine when you should know best that human gender identity and sexuality just isnt that simple?

whats worse is youre either intentionally or unintentionally implying that anyone who doesnt fit into that worldview loses her or his right to be seen as a true man/woman (yes im aware that this is ultimately a circular argument of absurdity) which from what i can tell is ultimately what bella is rightfully upset about

and for the record no one fits anywhere and any attempts to pigeonhole humans is ultimately doomed to fail
or you end up with 6 billion (or whatever the current world population is) pigeonholes

[TJ347]

The majority of the people here want to see dick pics, and you know that full well, Bella. I'm not saying that's all everybody wants, obviously, but this is first and foremost a porn board, and you have to keep that in mind. This is why I shake my head when girls here complain about guys treating them as a simple sexual fetish... You can't be taken seriously when you complain about being treated as a sexual fetish on a board that trades on the very sexual fetish you're complaining about. I mean, this is HUNG ANGELS. It isn't the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum". Let's be clear about that.

As to leaving the board... Hell, I left for quite awhile myself. I think periodically you need to do that. I've had my issues with you, but I would never tell anyone... actually, that's not true... I would never tell you that you should leave the board. Again, this is HUNG ANGELS. It's really not that serious at all. Just remember what this board is and what it isn't, and you'll be alright. However, if you want the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum", I'm afraid you're going to have to be the one who creates it.

[BellaBellucci]

Yes i am sure of that too, i like her lol. But the feeling isn"t mutual but i understand why.

It's not mutual because I don't know you! You never gave anyone a chance to before you started being judgmental around here. I would accept your apology and love to get to know you better, if you would offer one instead of continuing to defend your ill-formed statements. I'm sure we probably agree on lots of other topics.

~BB~

[Birgitta]

then why do you still insist on pigeonholing people in these silly categories of what youve decided to be either feminine or masculine when you should know best that human gender identity and sexuality just isnt that simple?

whats worse is youre either intentionally or unintentionally implying that anyone who doesnt fit into that worldview loses her or his right to be seen as a true man/woman (yes im aware that this is ultimately a circular argument of absurdity) which from what i can tell is ultimately what bella is rightfully upset about

and for the record no one fits anywhere and any attempts to pigeonhole humans is ultimately doomed to fail
or you end up with 6 billion (or whatever the current world population is) pigeonholes

Muh muh, what i said is that the t girl porn scene is being dominated with girls behaving like gay men sexually and that i suspect this is due to the wishes of t lovers of which many are masochistic, bttm, transvestites etc

but in reality a lot of girls are not like that, at least not the ones that eant to live life like a woman as normal as possible, its my view on things thats all

[Birgitta]

Sorry for the bad english, im writing from my mobile phone which makes it harder lol

[BellaBellucci]

Muh muh, what i said is that the t girl porn scene is being dominated with girls behaving like gay men sexually and that i suspect this is due to the wishes of t lovers of which many are masochistic, bttm, transvestites etc.

That's not what you said. If you had said that I would have agreed 1000%! :lol:

~BB~

[Birgitta]

The majority of the people here want to see dick pics, and you know that full well, Bella. I'm not saying that's all everybody wants, obviously, but this is first and foremost a porn board, and you have to keep that in mind. This is why I shake my head when girls here complain about guys treating them as a simple sexual fetish... You can't be taken seriously when you complain about being treated as a sexual fetish on a board that trades on the very sexual fetish you're complaining about. I mean, this is HUNG ANGELS. It isn't the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum". .

I agree 100%. Still there will always be girls new to the scene and there is a lot of stuff you need to learn about being a ts, your mother does not teach you when you grow up there will be men lined up for you, but they want to put on your bra and make love to them as if they are woman themselves lol

[Birgitta]

It's not mutual because I don't know you! You never gave anyone a chance to before you started being judgmental around here. I would accept your apology and love to get to know you better, if you would offer one instead of continuing to defend your ill-formed statements. I'm sure we probably agree on lots of other topics.

~BB~
But what is it you want me to apologise for? I seriously dont want to hurt anyone and i am really sorry if me blowing off steam caused you to think i do so to purposefully insult people. As a tgirl i am actually a bit frustrated that we are objectified so often into something only some of us truely are, and yeeeah im dissapointed that you never know for sure what the reasons are that someone has for loving you, i find it dissapointing that the guys that support us do not desire that we behave like woman sexually.

[BellaBellucci]

But what is it you want me to apologise for? I seriously dont want to hurt anyone and i am really sorry if me blowing off steam caused you to think i do so to purposefully insult people. As a tgirl i am actually a bit frustrated that we are objectified so often into something only some of us truely are, and yeeeah im dissapointed that you never know for sure what the reasons are that someone has for loving you, i find it dissapointing that the guys that support us do not desire that we behave like woman sexually.

Apology accepted. That's all I wanted to read. :yingyang:

~BB~

[Birgitta]

That's not what you said. If you had said that I would have agreed 1000%! :lol:

~BB~

What i said about you being a parent i should not have said, still from my perspective i still would not want to have kids in the way i am now, allthough it does save one the trouble and agony of giving birth,

But i understand you are a mommy now, im sorry i said that....its just that i met so many twoman that had children and acted so very masculine etc that made me say that,

But i know you are not like them

[BellaBellucci]

What i said about you being a parent i should not have said, still from my perspective i still would not want to have kids in the way i am now, allthough it does save one the trouble and agony for giving birth

Are you kidding? She gets the stretch marks, we both get the kid, and I'm just as much, if not moreso, his mother than his actual biological mother (loooong story). I'm sorry for being the exception to the rule, but I did get a win-win-win on this one. :lol:

~BB~

[Birgitta]

Are you kidding? She gets the stretch marks, we both get the kid, and I'm just as much, if not moreso, his mother than his actual biological mother (loooong story). I'm sorry for being the exception to the rule, but I did get a win-win-win on this one. :lol:

~BB~

I am happy for you babe and happy for your kid that he"s got a sweet caring open minded (lol!) Moma, and i admire you for it, i could not raise a kid, still raising myself lol

[BellaBellucci]

I am happy for you babe and happy for your kid that he"s got a sweet caring open minded (lol!) Moma, and i admire you for it, i could not raise a kid, still raising myself lol

You can be my kid. :) I do think you mean well and you misspoke by accident now, but the way you dug in just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sorry too. xoxo

~BB~

[nonnonnon]

I'm sorry too

~BB~

nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

[Birgitta]

You can be my kid. I do think you mean well and you misspoke by accident now, but the way you dug in just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sorry too. xoxo

~BB~

You know it really makes me wonder a lot that i still am going about things the wrong way, i guess frustration just takes over, you dont have to apologize at all, i understood your reaction and i was never angry about it, only sad that you took it this way, coz it makes me feel like a bad person, something i really dont want to be.

I am not easely hurt on the internet but my words can be a bitch i know and it bothers me i am this way.

Like with prospero, i really like the guy but i did start a fight with him, not coz i wanted too, i guess i just wanted him to understand me lol he is an intelligent guy and im very glad to see there are many intelligent guys on this forum.

[BellaBellucci]

nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

Whatever dude. :lol: :lol: :lol:


You know it really makes me wonder a lot that i still am going about things the wrong way, i guess frustration just takes over, you dont have to apologize at all, i understood your reaction and i was never angry about it, only sad that you took it this way, coz it makes me feel like a bad person, something i really dont want to be.

I am not easely hurt on the internet but my words can be a bitch i know and it bothers me i am this way.

Like with prospero, i really like the guy but i did start a fight with him, not coz i wanted too, i guess i just wanted him to understand me lol he is an intelligent guy and im very glad to see there are many intelligent guys on this forum.

OMG lady, I can totally relate to that. You just have to try to stay grounded as best you can. I know it's not easy... obviously. :lol:

~BB~

[Birgitta]

nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

We both are loooool

[Birgitta]

Whatever dude. :lol: :lol: :lol:



OMG lady, I can totally relate to that. You just have to try to stay grounded as best you can. I know it's not easy... obviously. :lol:

~BB~

First i am going to have a good night sleep and meet up with my bf tommorow, that will probably reduce any lingering frustration i might still have in my system lol, and i wont be online much coz my pc crashed, and surfing with my mobile phone really annoys me lol

Xxx have a nice day/evening ehm lol

Xxxx birgit

[onmyknees]

Are you blind? I was being sincere. So were the other people, plural, who agreed that Birgitta may have some legitimate issues. She told us that she already is seeing a therapist, so where's the problem?

Oh, right, it's in your head. Stop projecting your anger onto me. You can question my methods, but you shouldn't make the mistake of questioning my motives. I've proved time and time again that they're progressive, not personal.

~BB~

PS: Your girlfriend Nicole was the most brutal TS that's ever posted here. :?

You're my girlfriend Bella....I just think you got to personal with Brigitta...you of course will deny that, but that's the way I read it. But that was yesterday...today is today. You're a tough chic and give as good as you get. I'm glad you two are not rumbling anymore...there's some vouyers on here that get off on that, but I'm not one of them.

[rockabilly]

Now you two girls kiss and make up .... slower , w/ some passion ..... now who's gettin sucked ?

I got confused w/ the other thread.

[robertlouis]

Blimey, it's turned into a love-in. How sweet.

[Schimmel]

it is good now.

[TsVanessa69]

i just wondered how a dude that no tranny would give the time of day to would think he can tell a transexual what she can or cannot, or should or should not be doing??

[robertlouis]

i just wondered how a dude that no tranny would give the time of day to would think he can tell a transexual what she can or cannot, or should or should not be doing??

The voice of sanity, Vanessa. Bless you.

To think it's taken us more than 400 posts to get here.

[muh_muh]

Muh muh, what i said is that the t girl porn scene is being dominated with girls behaving like gay men sexually and that i suspect this is due to the wishes of t lovers of which many are masochistic, bttm, transvestites etc

you start off by backtracking here and with a more or less agreeable oppinion


but in reality a lot of girls are not like that, at least not the ones that eant to live life like a woman as normal as possible, its my view on things thats all

and then you ruin it all again by acting like youre the arbiter of whats normal and womanly (is that even a word?)

[Birgitta]

you start off by backtracking here and with a more or less agreeable oppinion



and then you ruin it all again by acting like youre the arbiter of whats normal and womanly (is that even a word?)

You are well aware what woman generally are like, its only lying to yourself saying that a feminine gender with feminine behavior does not excist, your wishes and twoman giving it to you are still an exception to the rule

[Birgitta]

I came to terms that i was gay and different long before any of you guys ever did, perhaps start working on it. but i am not here to help you discover your sexual identity just because i am a ts, and im not a social worker lol,

[Birgitta]

When you like to bttm for a ts i personally think you should support the gay community instead of hiding in a straight world that will identify you as gay when they find out.

When you are a straight man that is masculine, and traditional (sexually) but still fals for a tgirl, fine be straight, but you probably will be bisexual lol

[Birgitta]

And besides it seems tgirls are only considered to be woman as long as its a good cover for private sexual desires, once a girl like me wants a man to behave like one, first reaction you usually get is, you are different too lol hahhaha, sorry guys im to smart for all that lol

[onmyknees]

When you like to bttm for a ts i personally think you should support the gay community instead of hiding in a straight world that will identify you as gay when they find out.

When you are a straight man that is masculine, and traditional (sexually) but still fals for a tgirl, fine be straight, but you probably will be bisexual lol


Now you're starting to confuse even me...why should one support the gay community if he likes to ocassionally bottom for a Trans woman? And what do you mean by "support" ? All of us "support" different sexual orientations to one degree or another, but if you're suggesting because someone goes down on a beautiful Trans Woman they "come out" to thier friends and family...that's just fucked up Brigitta. And please stop with pigeon holing people into categories....if a guy finds himself in bed with a dude , but traditionally sleeps with women..that's bisexual, or the act itself is gay. I think 98% of the people here would agree with that. I defended you about 200 posts ago, but it's becoming more difficult as you attempt to apply your definations to others sexuality that don't quite fit. And you're starting to over think all this. Maybe it's time to put this thread to bed and move on ?

[Jericho]

When you like to bttm for a ts i personally think you should support the gay community instead of hiding in a straight world that will identify you as gay when they find out.


When you like to top a ts i personally think you should support the gay community instead of hiding in a straight world that will identify you as gay when they find out. :shrug

[Birgitta]

Yeah its fucked up to expect the guys i date with to be open and honest about their sexuality...i lived full time as a gay boy and do so now as a ts...if i liked pussy on male partners i would openly identify as bisexual, that the difference...
And if you ocassionally bttm for a ts but live a straight married wife you are not supporting any cause except for the wallet of the tgirl involved

[Birgitta]

When you like to top a ts i personally think you should support the gay community instead of hiding in a straight world that will identify you as gay when they find out. :shrug

If you please, bisexual will do, still there are open minded straight guys out there, but they dont want you to fuck em lol

[Birgitta]

Btw no need to defend me, i can take care of myself lol

[TsVanessa69]

The voice of sanity, Vanessa. Bless you.

To think it's taken us more than 400 posts to get here.
Sometimes beauty come with brains!
But I never understood how come somebody who constantlly disresepcts trans woman, does not date them, and from his posts, no tranny would date him, yet he bitches and moans about wht HE thinks is right or wrong with how we look or how we perform sexually. Its like bitch please!
He seems bitter that he lacks the manhood to open up to what he likes. he also seems dillusional on the fact that there are so many better looking more respectful men out there dating us, and hanging out with us in REAL time while he is acting like he is Gods gift to trans woman on a computer.

[TsVanessa69]

Btw no need to defend me, i can take care of myself lol
Girl this is Hung Angels
In the REAL world, this bullshit and these clowns are jokes.
Its 2011 already, some people need to catch up and get with it or just remain outsiders looking in.

[rockabilly]

When you are a straight man that is masculine, and traditional (sexually) but still fals for a tgirl, fine be straight, but you probably will be bisexual lol

Uhh ... Gitta to be bi would imply i'd also be interested in guys too , i'm not.

I see tg women as women so making love w/ a woman is not gay or bi since i'm a masculine traditional kinda guy.

[Birgitta]

Girl this is Hung Angels
In the REAL world, this bullshit and these clowns are jokes.
Its 2011 already, some people need to catch up and get with it or just remain outsiders looking in.

Loooooool!!!
Your so funny babe!

I agree, i like to see some action irl with a man thats not behaving like a pussy, getting some tonite xxxxxx

Have you all!

Love peace and everything,

Smooooch
Birgitta

[traLika]

Sometimes beauty come with brains!
But I never understood how come somebody who constantlly disresepcts trans woman, does not date them, and from his posts, no tranny would date him, yet he bitches and moans about wht HE thinks is right or wrong with how we look or how we perform sexually. Its like bitch please!
He seems bitter that he lacks the manhood to open up to what he likes. he also seems dillusional on the fact that there are so many better looking more respectful men out there dating us, and hanging out with us in REAL time while he is acting like he is Gods gift to trans woman on a computer.


You're absolutely right Vanessa, but you KNOW there's no stopping The Gomez!

He'll be back soon with a new thread. Something like "Dontcha think trannies' knees look kinda funny?" ;)

[TsVanessa69]

Uhh ... Gitta to be bi would imply i'd also be interested in guys too , i'm not.

I see tg women as women so making love w/ a woman is not gay or bi since i'm a masculine traditional kinda guy.
I totally understand what you are saying.
MtF Transexuals are woman, females are woman
Ftm transexuals and males are men.
So if a guy likes 2 different types of WOMAN, how would he be gay or bi?
Bisexual men like men and woman.
A transexual like myself is not a man.

[TsVanessa69]

Loooooool!!!
Your so funny babe!

I agree, i like to see some action irl with a man thats not behaving like a pussy, getting some tonite xxxxxx

Have you all!

Love peace and everything,

Smooooch
Birgitta
I feel you, a man who acts like a pussy gets no pussy here either!:dancing::dancing:

[TsVanessa69]

You're absolutely right Vanessa, but you KNOW there's no stopping The Gomez!

He'll be back soon with a new thread. Something like "Dontcha think trannies' knees look kinda funny?" ;)
Guys like him are angry inside.
I mean he is not man enough to deal with us, so he finds flaws and focuses on the negative. yet how the fuck did he think ANY trans woman would deal with a bitchass in 2011. I just left NYC. I am preparing for a beauty pageant here in Chicago. In NYC I spoke with photographers, designers, rode the subway to Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn. MEN stepped to me in broad day light, held doors open for me, gave me thier seats on the subway, carried my suitcase up the stairs and the sexy Puerto Rican dude kissed me on the lips before he got off the train, after he focused ALL his time and attention on ME in front of some not so happy females. So why would some lame ass punk think he was right in the bullshit he posts on an internet forum. Its 2011. Dudes playin mind games on the internet is so 1979! Either you down or you not. There is no more in between! Man the fuck up or get the fuck out! You makin yaself look stupid, not us! TOO many sexy confident men are steppin up to the plate now!

[TsVanessa69]

Am I the only one who thinks this bullshit and these bullshit threads are a joke?
Like where the fuck do people think that they are all that that they can say what is right or wrong about somebodys look, gender identity or sexual preferences.
Bitch please!
I am 39 years old and my life as a transexual is BETTER than most females out there.
I run my own business, my FAMILY loves and RESPECTS me. My credit score is high, my rental history is flawless. ALL my bills are paid, and I have alot of disposable income which I use to finance a sucessful show and pageant career.
Men, well my twitter, facebook and everyday life are full of them
They like the tranny
they like my confidence
they like the fact I laugh t at bullshit and do me!
My looks?
well I never said I was pretty or passale. I am exotic and sensual and skilled.
I didn't have to be. I get the same dick money and respect the pretty girls do. SOMETIMES more.
I see alot of fishy passable hoes struggling while I'm STILL on top!
SO AM I THE ONLY ONE who comes in here for a good laugh at the bullshit that these so called men write on this TRANNY forum???

[TJ347]

When someone here comments on somebody else's looks, gender identity or whatever the hell else, they are expressing their opinion. You, me and the dick pic hunters may not like that opinion, but that doesn't mean the person is trying to establish boundaries for the entire population of the world. Must someone constantly say "in my opinion" to make it clear to you that they are speaking as to their personal thoughts or beliefs on a subject? I mean, seriously... Who the fuck else could they be speaking for?

The bullshit written on this forum doesn't just come from the men, but it does just keep on coming.

[nsagent]

No disrespect just curious. If you're not at all into tranny cock (not even willing to give em head) then why fuck a tranny at all?

[muh_muh]

You are well aware what woman generally are like, its only lying to yourself saying that a feminine gender with feminine behavior does not excist

sure of course there is a broad mass that is more or less the same but there are far too many that dont fit into your practically victorian definition of gener roles
most importantly you are in no position to tell anyony whether or not they have earned the right to consider themself a woman


your wishes and twoman giving it to you are still an exception to the rule

and now youre simply assuming things about me which for the record are not true... sweet

by your logic a gg whos into doing her husband with a strapon would probably have to be considered to actually be a gay man which is simply absurd

[Birgitta]

sure of course there is a broad mass that is more or less the same but there are far too many that dont fit into your practically victorian definition of gener roles
most importantly you are in no position to tell anyony whether or not they have earned the right to consider themself a woman



and now youre simply assuming things about me which for the record are not true... sweet

by your logic a gg whos into doing her husband with a strapon would probably have to be considered to actually be a gay man which is simply absurd

Bla bla bla, did you know that i have an actual penis? How many gg"s fuck their men with a strapon? Lol

You can all want what you want but i will never date guys that do so just for my penis, a ts woman is more then her genitals alone and more then your sexual pref or fetish, if you dont understand that its your problem, i will never date guys like that. I have got more to offer then my penis, the ones that dont get that are not worth the time or effort, thats why i will probablt never hook up with a guy on a forum like this and why many of the guys here need to pay for tgirlsex,...regular guys that treat me with respect and who are not obsessed with my private parts, they deserve to be with me, but still i would never top, but then again, i dont end up with guys like that anyway

[FIRSTTIMER]

who thinks trannies should be bottoms? ....i dont understand...if a trannie wants to be a top so bad why don't she just remain a man and live as a gay dude? when i learn a trannie is a top or likes to top it turns me off, and i'm not interested in trannie topping porn. to me it defeats the purpose of them being trannies. But this is only my opinion. anybody else agree?
I hear what you are saying Freddie.I am not one to who really enjoys a video where the girl also tops the guy,even though I do watch them from time to time because I either like the girl or the sex scene looks really good.

Preferences aside, it's not your place to tell someone how to live their life, is it? I just spent a week with a couple of girls who quite openly wished they had penises and were actually jealous of me. Ironic, right? Since I wish I had a vagina? Well what does that say to you? I know what it says to me: anatomy is not exclusive to either gender, and it shouldn't be.

As far as using that anatomy, we all do the best we can with the hand that we're dealt. Just because I can't have a Bentley, it doesn't mean I should stop driving my Acura.

~BB~

PS: I only top for money (or with GGs on rare occasion), just to give this post some perspective.
I completely agree with you Bella.It is all about preference.

[FIRSTTIMER]

100 fucking percent bottom here...i like getting head tho lol
My kind of girl Amber.

[robertlouis]

My kind of girl Amber.

And mine. Shame about that ocean!

[GrimFusion]

No disrespect just curious. If you're not at all into tranny cock (not even willing to give em head) then why fuck a tranny at all?

Maybe he likes anal and seeking a GG escort for some backdoor tomfoolery is a tad too expensive.

[GrimFusion]

Am I the only one who thinks this bullshit and these bullshit threads are a joke?
Like where the fuck do people think that they are all that that they can say what is right or wrong about somebodys look, gender identity or sexual preferences.
Bitch please!
I am 39 years old and my life as a transexual is BETTER than most females out there.
I run my own business, my FAMILY loves and RESPECTS me. My credit score is high, my rental history is flawless. ALL my bills are paid, and I have alot of disposable income which I use to finance a sucessful show and pageant career.
Men, well my twitter, facebook and everyday life are full of them
They like the tranny
they like my confidence
they like the fact I laugh t at bullshit and do me!
My looks?
well I never said I was pretty or passale. I am exotic and sensual and skilled.
I didn't have to be. I get the same dick money and respect the pretty girls do. SOMETIMES more.
I see alot of fishy passable hoes struggling while I'm STILL on top!
SO AM I THE ONLY ONE who comes in here for a good laugh at the bullshit that these so called men write on this TRANNY forum???

You hit the nail on the head, Vanessa.
Freddie thinks this is a joke. It's a joke that gets all of his threads tons and tons of replies. It has worked and it's continued to work. I doubt these are even opinions he actually has. I'm pretty sure he's just making shit up to get at the girls around here, get all the Captain Save-a-Hoes to come out of the woodwork, and annoy everybody.

Freddie is being an attention whore. He's been asked over and over to keep his offensive opinions to himself, but he won't do it. By now, there's no doubt in my mind that he's just trying to get a rise out of everybody and now it's just forum trollery.

[FIRSTTIMER]

And mine. Shame about that ocean!
You could start rowing.Maybe you could make it in a few years.

All though a plane ride would sure make it easier wouldn't it?


Maybe he likes anal and seeking a GG escort for some backdoor tomfoolery is a tad too expensive.
That is also my thought.It is also one of my reasons why I like T-Girls but not the main reason.I just think there are a lot of sexy girls out there.

[muh_muh]

How many gg"s fuck their men with a strapon?

probably enough for you to see that your world view is far too simplistic


You can all want what you want but i will never date guys that do so just for my penis, a ts woman is more then her genitals alone and more then your sexual pref or fetish, if you dont understand that its your problem, i will never date guys like that. I have got more to offer then my penis, the ones that dont get that are not worth the time or effort, thats why i will probablt never hook up with a guy on a forum like this and why many of the guys here need to pay for tgirlsex,...regular guys that treat me with respect and who are not obsessed with my private parts, they deserve to be with me, but still i would never top, but then again, i dont end up with guys like that anyway

the issue was never with who you choose to bed with but with how judgemental you are about anyone who you choose not to and the women that choose to bed with aforementioned guys

[TsVanessa69]

No disrespect just curious. If you're not at all into tranny cock (not even willing to give em head) then why fuck a tranny at all?
He's not fucking with any tranny on any level.
Thats the whole point.
The trannys he wishes he could have would never want him and the trannys he could have don't want him either.
Sucks for him, thinking he is all that, and he is the only one thinking that.
See its 2011, we hold the upper hand now. We pick and choose as we please. The shoe is on the other foot now guys. Its our world and you guys are like the squirrels fighting for our nuts.

[fred41]

...like the squirrels fighting for our nuts.

:)..clever choice of words...

[Prospero]

Its our world and you guys are like the squirrels fighting for our nuts.

LMAO excellent

[Solitary Brother]

who thinks trannies should be bottoms? ....i dont understand...if a trannie wants to be a top so bad why don't she just remain a man and live as a gay dude? when i learn a trannie is a top or likes to top it turns me off, and i'm not interested in trannie topping porn. to me it defeats the purpose of them being trannies. But this is only my opinion. anybody else agree?

This is a good subject your bringing up.
Honestly yes if you trying to be a woman you should not be running around here trying to fuck guys.
Some girls dont even let guys touch them down there they dont touch themselves down there they only use it too pee and that all.
I have a lot of respect for girls like that.
I must say this whole issue is a little weird to me because even if a girl does not use her cock chances are they guy likes her BECAUSE she has a cock.
You see transexuals have big problems.
They have problems with the way they view themselves thats why they go through these massive changes.
They have problems with the way society views them.
So they are dealing with a lot of issues.
I think in the IDEAL world guys fuck girls guys dont suck dick etc......
But that NOT the world all of us live in some do but most dont.
A lot of girls like using their piece....on guys.
A lot of guys ....Most of them want to suck tranny cock and get banged by trannies.
Thats where we are at right now.
Trannies....if you cant take that remain celebate until you get the surgery.
Girls will lie about what they do in the bedroom...as a matter of fact they should keep all that private but they dont.
Guys will lie about what they do and dont keep it private so.......This whole conversation is a fool.
Girls are going to keep using their piece on guys and guys are going to keep bending over for girls to yack them.
The thing to remember is this:
You can be the most militant "I am a top only" type of guy and all it takes is one experience with the right girl to turn you into a thirsty power bottom.
Never say what you wont do because one day you might be doing it and loving it.

Bottom line keep your sex life PRIVATE.
A lot of the hardest thugged out dudes get fucked on the regular by trannies.

[FIRSTTIMER]

Its our world and you guys are like the squirrels fighting for our nuts.
Classic line Vanessa.

This is a good subject your bringing up.
Honestly yes if you trying to be a woman you should not be running around here trying to fuck guys.
Some girls dont even let guys touch them down there they dont touch themselves down there they only use it too pee and that all.
I have a lot of respect for girls like that.
I must say this whole issue is a little weird to me because even if a girl does not use her cock chances are they guy likes her BECAUSE she has a cock.
You see transexuals have big problems.
They have problems with the way they view themselves thats why they go through these massive changes.
They have problems with the way society views them.
So they are dealing with a lot of issues.
I think in the IDEAL world guys fuck girls guys dont suck dick etc......
But that NOT the world all of us live in some do but most dont.
A lot of girls like using their piece....on guys.
A lot of guys ....Most of them want to suck tranny cock and get banged by trannies.
Thats where we are at right now.
Trannies....if you cant take that remain celebate until you get the surgery.
Girls will lie about what they do in the bedroom...as a matter of fact they should keep all that private but they dont.
Guys will lie about what they do and dont keep it private so.......This whole conversation is a fool.
Girls are going to keep using their piece on guys and guys are going to keep bending over for girls to yack them.
The thing to remember is this:
You can be the most militant "I am a top only" type of guy and all it takes is one experience with the right girl to turn you into a thirsty power bottom.
Never say what you wont do because one day you might be doing it and loving it.

Bottom line keep your sex life PRIVATE.
A lot of the hardest thugged out dudes get fucked on the regular by trannies.
I agree with some things you are saying.That there are girls out there who don't even like to use their cocks during sex.They will rub their cock and balls like a girl/girl will rub her pussy but that would about it.They won't let the guy even touch them there unless they are really comfortable with him.If Celeste were still to come on here she could give her thoughts about it as she is one of those girls.
And then there are the girls who love to top.TsJesse herself love to top.In fact I believe she prefers to top.Now that is where I get a little confused.Why if the T-Girl feels like girl on the inside and won't to be looked at like a girl but when you are having sex with her she has to be the one on top and is the one fucking? Sure there are those who are attracted to girls like that and that is what girls like Jesse attract.Maybe I just answered my own question,I don't know?

[TsVanessa69]

The thing to remember is this:
You can be the most militant "I am a top only" type of guy and all it takes is one experience with the right girl to turn you into a thirsty power bottom.
Never say what you wont do because one day you might be doing it and loving it.

Bottom line keep your sex life PRIVATE.
A lot of the hardest thugged out dudes get fucked on the regular by trannies.
I have more respect for the thug being dicked down on the regular over dudes like the OP any day

[TJ347]

See its 2011, we hold the upper hand now. We pick and choose as we please. The shoe is on the other foot now guys. Its our world and you guys are like the squirrels fighting for our nuts.

The shoe is on the other foot now? I wasn't aware that people paying for sex was something new, and the only guys fighting for your "nuts" are the chasers, which you've made pretty clear for the past few years is all you see any guy here as.

[FIRSTTIMER]

I have more respect for the thug being dicked down on the regular over dudes like the OP any day
At least they know who they are and what what they like,right?

[Birgitta]

Lol i like vanessa's humor and attitude, its inspiring and uplifting, and i do think she is right, its 2011, and we are much more known and emancipated now, we have the right to want respect and wit from lovers, we dont have to put up with being treated like a dirty little secret anymore lol

[Birgitta]

probably enough for you to see that your world view is far too simplistic



the issue was never with who you choose to bed with but with how judgemental you are about anyone who you choose not to and the women that choose to bed with aforementioned guys

I called it gay, perhaps thats judgemental in your eyes but it is not in my eyes. I feel perfectly fine if someone called me gay while it would be more appropiate to call me straight....

My thoughts about what a straight men is, differs from yours. And i may feel like a woman, even be a woman in heart and soul, im rational and playfull enough to accept that for some i am not...i respect how they feel about it, why cant you have respect for the way i feel, without calling me judgemental or getting angry about it.

In my eyes a straight men will never ask me to fuck him, a straight men also shows little to no interest in my genitals...what i am saying is that i believe in gender and sexual identity, and that in my eyes we are not just dealing with personal preference in these matters

[TsVanessa69]

At least they know who they are and what what they like,right?
To me thats the definition of a REAL man.

[TsVanessa69]

I called it gay, perhaps thats judgemental in your eyes but it is not in my eyes. I feel perfectly fine if someone called me gay while it would be more appropiate to call me straight....

My thoughts about what a straight men is, differs from yours. And i may feel like a woman, even be a woman in heart and soul, im rational and playfull enough to accept that for some i am not...i respect how they feel about it, why cant you have respect for the way i feel, without calling me judgemental or getting angry about it.

In my eyes a straight men will never ask me to fuck him, a straight men also shows little to no interest in my genitals...what i am saying is that i believe in gender and sexual identity, and that in my eyes we are not just dealing with personal preference in these matters
when a man has sex with me he see's me as a woman not a man. so how did that make him less straight? or are you saying you are less of a woman than a female?

[Birgitta]

when a man has sex with me he see's me as a woman not a man. so how did that make him less straight? or are you saying you are less of a woman than a female?


Not less of a woman but different though. I think most truely straight men will not be able to deal with the idea that i was born male let alone enjoy my genitals.

I like men and men only. I dont like a guy with womans clothes on him, i dont like a guy that looks to feminine, i dont like guys with a pussy and i dont like guys that want to bttm for my natural genitals.

If i did like any of those things i would not call myself straight lol

[rockabilly]

I can see you as a woman and enjoy your body alot Gitta. ;)

[robertlouis]

Not less of a woman but different though. I think most truely straight men will not be able to deal with the idea that i was born male let alone enjoy my genitals.

I like men and men only. I dont like a guy with womans clothes on him, i dont like a guy that looks to feminine, i dont like guys with a pussy and i dont like guys that want to bttm for my natural genitals.

If i did like any of those things i would not call myself straight lol

:iagree: Well said, Birgitta. One of the things that has bugged me about this thread from the outset is the constant and unwanted imposition of one set of sexual values on another person simply because of that person's combination of gender outlook and genitals. I would never try to impose my set of sexual preferences on a partner - surely this is about simple respect for another individual's integrity and what in essence makes for civilised relationships.

Yes, I consider myself "straight", (whatever that means lol), with a preference for topping if I'm with a tgirl, but essentially, tgirl or genuine girl, I'll always consider that person's preferences too and never insist on doing things "my way". It's only fair.

[onmyknees]

Yeah its fucked up to expect the guys i date with to be open and honest about their sexuality...i lived full time as a gay boy and do so now as a ts...if i liked pussy on male partners i would openly identify as bisexual, that the difference...
And if you ocassionally bttm for a ts but live a straight married wife you are not supporting any cause except for the wallet of the tgirl involved

You lived full time as a gay boy? And now you're a TS ??( scratches head) . Why do you think this is about suppotting a cause ? This is about sexual attraction.........pure and simple. You're pretty rigorous in your definations Brigitta. I'm fortunate I'm not bound by the same orthodoxy as you.

[GrimFusion]

:iagree: Well said, Birgitta. One of the things that has bugged me about this thread from the outset is the constant and unwanted imposition of one set of sexual values on another person simply because of that person's combination of gender outlook and genitals. I would never try to impose my set of sexual preferences on a partner - surely this is about simple respect for another individual's integrity and what in essence makes for civilised relationships.

Yes, I consider myself "straight", (whatever that means lol), with a preference for topping if I'm with a tgirl, but essentially, tgirl or genuine girl, I'll always consider that person's preferences too and never insist on doing things "my way". It's only fair.

I disagree. The point of having GOOD sex IS imposing your set of sexual preferences on a partner and accepting theirs. I guess I just don't understand how someone could be so uncomfortable with themselves as to pass-up sex in whatever form. When life deals me a bad hand, I work with what I got, but I'm not exactly in Birgitta's shoes.

[robertlouis]

I disagree. The point of having GOOD sex IS imposing your set of sexual preferences on a partner and accepting theirs. I guess I just don't understand how someone could be so uncomfortable with themselves as to pass-up sex in whatever form. When life deals me a bad hand, I work with what I got, but I'm not exactly in Birgitta's shoes.

We might be arguing about a small point, M8, but I'm still uncomfortable with the idea of "imposing", which for me implies getting someone to do something they don't necessarily like or agree with. For me the essential basis for emotionally-based sex is mutual consent. Think back to the discussion we had on the "nice guys" thread.

And I'm sorry, but I did laugh when you said "When life deals me a bad hand, I work with what I got".

Yep, we've all been there. :jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

[nicebrn]

We might be arguing about a small point, M8, but I'm still uncomfortable with the idea of "imposing", which for me implies getting someone to do something they don't necessarily like or agree with. For me the essential basis for emotionally-based sex is mutual consent. Think back to the discussion we had on the "nice guys" thread.

And I'm sorry, but I did laugh when you said "When life deals me a bad hand, I work with what I got".

Yep, we've all been there. :jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff
True...but there's almost always going to be something that you'd like to do that your partner won't, and vice versa. Of course that's where compromise and quid pro quos come in. The trick, though, is to minimize the need for this kind of horse-trading as early as possible by getting a good sense of what the other person is willing to do. If you know you have certain desires that are a deal-breaker, then all things being equal, it's foolish to try to fit a square peg into a round hole if the other person is just plain not willing to indulge them.

YMMV, but I don't really consider females that actively dislike oral and anal play, and I avoid ts girls that are bottom-only. Experience has taught me that making exceptions only leads to dissatisfaction in the long run.

[muh_muh]

I called it gay, perhaps thats judgemental in your eyes but it is not in my eyes.

so thats all you did then huh?
well lets take a soundbite from your first reply in this thread shall we?

their malfunctional masculinuty lol
(nice touch with the lol as punctuation btw)


why cant you have respect for the way i feel, without calling me judgemental or getting angry about it.

because i cant respect oppinionated people that like to pigeonhole others and put themself on a pedestal and act like they are the arbiters of truth and reason
epecially when in the same sentence they end up wining about others doing the same to them

[robertlouis]

True...but there's almost always going to be something that you'd like to do that your partner won't, and vice versa. Of course that's where compromise and quid pro quos come in. The trick, though, is to minimize the need for this kind of horse-trading as early as possible by getting a good sense of what the other person is willing to do. If you know you have certain desires that are a deal-breaker, then all things being equal, it's foolish to try to fit a square peg into a round hole if the other person is just plain not willing to indulge them.

YMMV, but I don't really consider females that actively dislike oral and anal play, and I avoid ts girls that are bottom-only. Experience has taught me that making exceptions only leads to dissatisfaction in the long run.

I think we're essentially saying the same thing.

And you've made me laugh too - trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is EXACTLY the kind of sexual practice than can cause problems! :)

[Birgitta]

so thats all you did then huh?
well lets take a soundbite from your first reply in this thread shall we?

(nice touch with the lol as punctuation btw)



because i cant respect oppinionated people that like to pigeonhole others and put themself on a pedestal and act like they are the arbiters of truth and reason
epecially when in the same sentence they end up wining about others doing the same to them

Im not wining about it, i just tried to give you an example to show you why i feel the way i feel about it.
Im from a different world and life then where you are from and if i let myself be open minded about this it will be damaging for me. i am a ts, my way, with my own pupose and destiny...and i seriously do not put myself on a pedestal, i just know what i want and dont want, and i am not insecure about it...

[Birgitta]

True...but there's almost always going to be something that you'd like to do that your partner won't, and vice versa. Of course that's where compromise and quid pro quos come in. The trick, though, is to minimize the need for this kind of horse-trading as early as possible by getting a good sense of what the other person is willing to do. If you know you have certain desires that are a deal-breaker, then all things being equal, it's foolish to try to fit a square peg into a round hole if the other person is just plain not willing to indulge them.

YMMV, but I don't really consider females that actively dislike oral and anal play, and I avoid ts girls that are bottom-only. Experience has taught me that making exceptions only leads to dissatisfaction in the long run.

Thats the thing, with a straight masculine top there is nothing to compromise about, i dont believe in compromises when it comes to love,
So i choose carefully my friends and the reasons people love me because i feel that has to do something with me and not just their desire about ts woman. You can love me for the right reasons and i am a sweet and devoted lover, love me for the wrong reasons chances are i will know that before the first kiss.
Im much like the girl someone mentioned in this thread, it takes time for me to feel comfortable around a man about my private parts, when he is a sweet and good lover, i know anything is possible in the end(except me topping him), but first i have to feel comfortable, and i dont with guys that are primarily lusting for my cock, not dating them, for me thats about self respect.

[Birgitta]

I disagree. The point of having GOOD sex IS imposing your set of sexual preferences on a partner and accepting theirs. I guess I just don't understand how someone could be so uncomfortable with themselves as to pass-up sex in whatever form. When life deals me a bad hand, I work with what I got, but I'm not exactly in Birgitta's shoes.


Grim fusion, i dont agree, i have had great sex without anyone having to impose their sexual desire on anyone, there just has to be a match.

You mentioned that i am insecure about my sexuality but im not. I live fulltime and openly as a ts woman and know exactly what i want and dont want.

What i want is to be treated and respected like a woman, i dont feel that way around guys that think constantly about giving tgirls head and stuff like functional penis bla, i dont want to be treated like a fetish object i want to be loved for who i am, not only because of what i am.
I think thats very reasonable and understandable

[nicebrn]

Thats the thing, with a straight masculine top there is nothing to compromise about, i dont believe in compromises when it comes to love,
So i choose carefully my friends and the reasons people love me because i feel that has to do something with me and not just their desire about ts woman. You can love me for the right reasons and i am a sweet and devoted lover, love me for the wrong reasons chances are i will know that before the first kiss.
Im much like the girl someone mentioned in this thread, it takes time for me to feel comfortable around a man about my private parts, when he is a sweet and good lover, i know anything is possible in the end(except me topping him), but first i have to feel comfortable, and i dont with guys that are primarily lusting for my cock, not dating them, for me thats about self respect.
Of course there is.

I think you may be misunderstanding me, perhaps because I'm speaking in extremely general terms.

Whether someone is straight, gay, bi, masculine, or whatever, there's always going to be some give-and-take--unless both of you are perfectly vanilla and perfectly compatible. You (I don't mean you, specifically) might enjoy it better from behind, while he enjoys it more if you ride him. Or you might have personal (and rational to you) reasons why you dislike giving oral, while he craves that.

It's only an "imposition" insofar that eventually someone has to submit their will to the other person (probably with the intent of getting some other concession later), or one or both of you is going to be dissatisfied. I'm pretty sure that not a single one of us has ever met someone totally willing to indulge every single quirk or fantasy, and there are some things that we won't consider either. Thus the need to compromise, which orientation won't have anything to do with (except maybe in extreme cases). Like I said, ideally that stuff is worked out in the beginning...but it doesn't happen that way.
i dont want to be treated like a fetish object i want to be loved for who i am, not only because of what i am.Hm.

Maybe it's because I've been exposed to just a handful of girls who had that attitude, but sometimes I think that those girls tend to overcomplicate the issue. I can't speak for other men, but I don't fetishize the boy parts any more than I fetishize tits, ass, lips and hair on a girl in general. In my head it's just another body part to appreciate and enjoy. I can understand why some girls have developed the perspective that they have, but then they go too far by automatically assuming that all trans-attracted men (a) truly see you as something other than a woman and (b) have some kind of unhealthy attraction to girl-dick.

...though it wouldn't shock me if that were the case for a large number of them.

[Prospero]

I don't think good sexualityis about imposing on others. it's about mutually agreeable fun. Sometimes there is compromise - you are given head sometimes by someone who'd prefer you to fuck them;You spend a long time on cunnilingus when you want to move on to intercourse etc etc. But that is about offering to the other the pleasure they desire. I'd never-ever try to force a partner to do something she didn't like.
So IF (and i know this is purely hypothetical) I were Birgitta's partner i wouldn't dream of asking her to use her cock in any way. I'd be totally focused on the mutual pleasures we agreed on mutually - hers and mine. She identifies wholly as a woman. I would accept that wholly.

[Birgitta]

:iagree: Well said, Birgitta. One of the things that has bugged me about this thread from the outset is the constant and unwanted imposition of one set of sexual values on another person simply because of that person's combination of gender outlook and genitals. I would never try to impose my set of sexual preferences on a partner - surely this is about simple respect for another individual's integrity and what in essence makes for civilised relationships.

Yes, I consider myself "straight", (whatever that means lol), with a preference for topping if I'm with a tgirl, but essentially, tgirl or genuine girl, I'll always consider that person's preferences too and never insist on doing things "my way". It's only fair.

you are a good example of what i mean, you are top, straight and voila, you understand me, i dont have to explain anything...

[Birgitta]

I don't think good sexualityis about imposing on others. it's about mutually agreeable fun. Sometimes there is compromise - you are given head sometimes by someone who'd prefer you to fuck them;You spend a long time on cunnilingus when you want to move on to intercourse etc etc. But that is about offering to the other the pleasure they desire. I'd never-ever try to force a partner to do something she didn't like.
So IF (and i know this is purely hypothetical) I were Birgitta's partner i wouldn't dream of asking her to use her cock in any way. I'd be totally focused on the mutual pleasures we agreed on mutually - hers and mine. She identifies wholly as a woman. I would accept that wholly.

And when i would feel that, its only then that i will feel free about experimenting, and i would initiate that at the time it feels right for me to do so, but not beforehand, thats the way it works for me, but i feel totally ok when a guy shows no interest at all, all the better, but its not like im dogmatic about it, but it has to feel right,

And i believe a lot of tgirls outside the escort scene are like that, if i was an escort i would be top also, to be in control and to minimize riscs

[natina]

I think freddie gomex is talking hiself out of having sex and relationships with any ts.

[traLika]

Hooray! A Gomez thread is always worth bumping! ;)

[Birgitta]

For freddy i will make the exception and top him and train him like a puppy lol

[traLika]

For freddy i will make the exception and top him and train him like a puppy lol

He'd like that! ;)

[natina]

that would be a popular VIDEO ON HA:iagree:

lets set it up

senchai, bob,Wendy


somebody get on it


For freddy i will make the exception and top him and train him like a puppy lol

[dderek123]

Judging by what I have seen on this forum this could be useful to some.

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2011/05/careless-ktktphotography-3843811667.jpg
How to Stop Caring About What Other People Think and Get Back Your Self-Respect



http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/commenter/2500000/2505766_32.jpg (http://lifehacker.com/people/mup/) Melanie Pinola (http://lifehacker.com/people/mup/) — You often worry family or friends might not approve of something, people are talking about you behind your back, or you might offend someone. If this sounds like you, it's time to break free and stop giving a .
It's human nature to want to be liked and to seek approval, but when you're really sensitive to the point where you don't take a stand out of fear of alienating or offending others, it's bad for your well-being.
Like many people, author and consultant Julien Smith has spent way too much time caring far too much about what other people think. It's led him to be "a punching bag — a flighty, nervous wuss," until recently, and he offers a cure — a complete guide to getting back your self-respect and over caring about what people think about you.
He starts with a few facts: people are judging you right now and there's nothing you can do about it, you don't need people to like you, it's [I]your people that matter, and the people who change the world are the ones who dismiss those obstacles of feeling lonely, disliked, or like a loser.
Of course, Smith puts these all much more convincingly and sharply (warning: office filters for language may prevent you from accessing the site). Some key quotes:
But the real problem with Internet haters is that they confirm your paranoid delusion that everyone out there secretly hates you.
Thankfully, that's not actually true. So the first noble truth is that most people don't even care that you're alive. Embrace this, my friends, for it is true freedom. The world is vast and you are small, and therefore you may do as you wish and cast your thoughts of those who dislike it to the side.
and:
You may be in a tough place right now where you feel lonely or like a loser. No worries, we've all been there. But it's time for you to realize how common these things are, and that they're experienced by even the most successful and happiest people in the world. Those people get past them, and you will too.
He also offers 5 steps for taking back control, including telling it like it is and accepting or dealing with awkwardness. This is more than just about developing a thick skin. It's about becoming free.
Read the full post linked below to get started. As someone who's hypersensitive (a nice comment can make my day, a rude one ruin it), I really needed this advice.


The Complete Guide to Not Giving a Fuck (http://inoveryourhead.net/the-complete-guide-to-not-giving-a-fuck/) | In Over Your Head

[dderek123]

Well, it’s time you started not giving a fuck.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_MsZb8mYFoCs/TbqPmBh4YRI/AAAAAAAANq0/g_to3gUHQSU/s800/tumblrkpxypmjqro1qzv9mh.jpg


FACT NUMBER 1. People are judging you right now.
Yes, it’s really happening right at this moment. Some people don’t like you, and guess what? There’s nothing you can do about it. No amount of coercion, toadying, or pandering to their interests will help. In fact, the opposite is often true; the more you stand for something, the more they respect you, whether it’s grudgingly or not.
What people truly respect is when you draw the line and say “you will go no further.” They may not like this behaviour, but so what? These are people don’t like you anyway, why should you attempt to please people who don’t care for you in the first place?
Right. Then, there’s Internet trolls. That’s a whole other thing.
Regular people are fine– you don’t actually hear it when they’re talking behind your back. But on the web, you do see it, which changes the dynamic drastically. They have an impact because they know you have your vanity searches, etc. But the real problem with Internet haters is that they confirm your paranoid delusion that everyone out there secretly hates you.
Thankfully, that’s not actually true. So the first noble truth is that most people don’t even care that you’re alive. Embrace this, my friends, for it is true freedom. The world is vast and you are small, and therefore you may do as you wish and cast your thoughts of those who dislike it to the side.

FACT NUMBER 2. You don’t need everyone to like you.
This stuff is crazy, I know, but it’s cool, you’ll get used to it. Here’s the next thing: not only do most people not know that you exist, and some are judging you, but it totally does not matter even if they are.
How liberating this is may not even hit you yet, but it will. Check this out: when people don’t like you, nothing actually happens. The world does not end. You don’t feel them breathing down your neck. In fact, the more you ignore them and just go about your business, the better off you are.
You know when they say “the best revenge is a life well lived”? Well, this is true, but it isn’t the whole truth. A life well lived is great, yes, but it cannot happen while you are sweating about who your detractors are and what they think. What you have to do, what you have no choice but to do, is accept it and move on.
So not giving a fuck is actually a necessary precedent to create a good life for yourself. It can’t happen without it. That’s why you have to begin today.

FACT NUMBER 3. It’s your people that matter.
Ok, so you’ve adjusted to the fact that most people in the world are barely aware of your existence, and you’re also conscious of the fact that those who don’t like you are in the obscenely small minority and don’t actually matter. Awesome. Next you need to realize that the people who do care about you, and no one else, are those you need to focus on.
Relationships are weird. Once we’re in one (with family, a spouse, whatever), we promptly begin to take the other person for granted and move on to impressing strangers instead– say, our boss. Then, once we’ve impressed our boss, we start taking him for granted too, and so on, in an endless cycle of apathy. It’s like we always prefer to impress and charm the new than to work on what we already have.
But these people– your champions– they understand your quest or your cause. They make you feel good when you’re around them, make you laugh or make you feel like you can just be yourself. They make you feel relaxed or at ease. You’ve shared things with them. They’re important. Focus on them instead.

FACT NUMBER 4. Those who don’t give a fuck change the world. The rest do not.
So I’m reading this horrible book right now by Stephen King called the Long Walk. It’s a contest where people walk without sleeping or resting, and if they do stop, they are killed. (That’s actually every Stephen King book– “there’s a clown, but it kills!” “There’s a car, but it kills!” etc.)
I suspect this book is a metaphor for war, but it also captures perseverance very well. What it takes to move past anything is to simply realize that your obstacle is unimportant, and that it can be dismissed. This is true whether you’re running a marathon or trying to get to Mars.
If you dismiss the things that do not matter; if you remove those things from your mind and focus on what must be done; if you understand that your time is limited and decide to work now; only then will you be able to get to the finish line. Otherwise, you will be dissuaded into living a life you aren’t interested in.
Side note: You need to handle failure and obscurity better. You may be in a tough place right now where you feel lonely or like a loser. No worries, we’ve all been there. But it’s time for you to realize how common these things are, and that they’re experienced by even the most successful and happiest people in the world. Those people get past them, and you will too.

The eye is watching

You want to know something? This actually has nothing to do with anyone else. It has everything to do with you.
I had a discussion with Jonathan Fields the other week that was about the use of swearing (and “true voice”) on blogs. I watched him on a Skype video as we did this, and I could actually pinpoint the moment where he was about to say “fuck” but almost stopped himself. It was amazing. So I called him out on it. (http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/getting-real-f-bombs/) “You felt it just now, didn’t you?”
Everyone has an internetal eye. It always watching. It has been slowly constructed by society at large and by your friends and family, and it checks you for unacceptable behaviour. If you have had it around for long enough, you actually start to believe that the eye is you, and that you’re “being reasonable” or some other rationalization.
But the eye isn’t you at all. It is a prison (http://inoveryourhead.net/interalizing-the-panopticon/), and you have justified its existence by obeying it. It’s strong because you let it be strong.
But the secret, the part that’s amazing, is that it can’t do anything to stop you, even if it wanted to. It’s an eye. It can only watch. The rest of you is free to act as you wish.


How to get back your self-respect in five easy steps

STEP 1. Do things that you consider embarrassing.
My girlfriend and I have been breaking in Vibram Fivefingers (http://www.commepiedsnus.com/) in preparation for the massive walk (http://inoveryourhead.net/why-you-should-quit-the-internet/) we are doing. Have you ever seen these shoes? They’re amazing for you knees and give you no blisters, but they are the ugliest thing imaginable. Yesterday, I wore them with a sweet bowtie (http://dolbeau.ca/lookbook/) I put on for Easter. I looked like a crazy person.
As I said at the beginning of this post, I am deeply aware and can become quite upset by people’s judgment– I think a lot of people are, but don’t admit it. But as I walked by people in my techno-clown outfit, not a single person looked at me. Nobody cared, and it slowly dawned on me that even if people did look at me weird, they just walked by. Later, they would forget about me entirely.
You must try this. Find your internal filters and break them, one at a time. Notice how society, like an ocean, smoothes over the waves you make (http://inoveryourhead.net/everyone-will-judge-you-but-no-one-cares/), until what you do gets eliminated, or becomes the status quo. Work with this.

STEP 2. Accept, or deal with, awkwardness.
It’s widely known that interviewers get their best material by being quiet and allowing silence to force words out of a politician or celebrity.
You may be uncomfortable with silence. I know I still am. But I have been working on it and have to say that it is a much more serene state to be in than trying to cover it up with random babbling just to fill up the air. This is one type of awkwardness, a kind that you should feel comfortable about and learn to live with.
Another kind of social awkwardness is this in-between space where you might have done something wrong or been wronged, but don’t say anything. I’ve been given a few harsh lessons in my time and come away realizing that the freedom that comes from talking about an uncomfortable truth is better than the comfort of avoiding that talk altogether.
Someone told me recently that the Clintons’ method for earning respect in politics is this: if someone pushes you, push back twice as hard. This is much better than awkwardness. It’s clear, it’s not passive aggressive, and you know where you stand. Start doing this immediately.