Fucking Black Men!

[fitz207]

1. because it's common knowledge that majority of black folks are religious. And where does God, religion and homosexuality i.e. lesbianism, transgenderism came together in agreement? Never.
I agree with this to a point. But this really has nothing to with being black, but Christianity. How many white evangelical or Catholic's agree with gay marriage? Not many. But where is gay community when this group bashes the gay and TS community?


2. because like Vanessa, when I was in my early stages of transitioning - I too have experienced being treated badly i.e. verbally abused, publicly ridiculed, looked down upon, made feel less of a person, physically assaulted just for being tg. etc. by both black guys and girls. And I didn't even do anything to them.
Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community. So let me ask you something. Is ok for a black person to hold bad feelings against whites and some Asian groups for treating them the same way you say blacks have treated you? If a black person at this forum complained about how bad they have been treated a lot of you would tell the black person to just "get over it" or "stop being so sensitive"



But I guess being that you're NOT tg yourself you cannot even begin to comprehend how horrible those experiences were for many of us.
You're right I'm not a TG. I'm not black either. Even though the gay and TG community has faced a tremendous amount of bigotry. I think it pales in comparison to hate and bigotry that many blacks face on a daily basis.

[fitz207]

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.
Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.

[wukinpunub68]

it goes to the motivation of the girl, if she is vers then the guy any guy would be more prone to giving it a try. If you have a guy especially a black guy that has never been with a T-Girl before then he is not going to be willing to give up the ass unless he can return the favor.

[jjhill]

Just for clarity, a person can be racist and date people outside of their race. Especially have sex, I guarantee if the price was right, those girls who say they don't sleep with this race or that race would do it if the money was good. In my undergrad days, I lived in the same dormitory as a racist southern that was open about it. Everyone knew that this guy was racist, but that didn't stop him for liking or dating latin women. Need another example...look at slavery.

[Jericho]

Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

[jjhill]

Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

You mean Native Americans? lol j/p j/p

[Jericho]

Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug

You mean Native Americans? lol j/p j/p


:lol:

[fitz207]

Well i feel for you about being attacked. But think about it. No other group in America has been treated as bad as the black community.

Except for the Indians of course, but hey... :shrug
Yes that's true.

[deee757]

Bottom line, any escort weather it be TS, GG, or male that has an ad talking about professionalism and offering a service, than says they don't see a certain race of people because of their "preference" is a racist. Your offering a service to certain races of people, but not to others. If you were a legitimate business you would be up to an giraffes neck in discrimination law suites. Dating is one thing, everybody has the right to choose who that want to date. But when u offer a service but excuse certain people, than you are discriminating against people based on their race.

[jjhill]

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.
Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.


your right fitz, I was wrong for thinking this forum was the last place a race would be judged based off stereotypes, generalizations, biasness, and personal experiences that was caused by a few individuals.

I guess I could of ignored it like everyone else but as was stated earlier. This something I'm very passionate about. Plus it coincides with what I'm getting my M.S in so....

[deee757]

this thread is ridiculous lol, people get so defensive.
Everybody gets sensitive when people start making ignorant generalizations. Like a lot TG would get if someone starts a thread about "TG only care about shopping and money". Think about it.


your right fitz, I was wrong for thinking this forum was the last place a race would be judged based off stereotypes, generalizations, biasness, and personal experiences that was caused by a few individuals.

I guess I could of ignored it like everyone else but like was stated, this something I'm very passionate about. Plus it coincides with what I'm getting my M.S in so....

But that's why I like this forum, and I think more of these discussions should occur. I think race relations run sour when we act like race does not exist and it is not a factor. At least hear people have the chance to try to intellectualize their racist view points. But like i said before, i dont get offended. If u think imma Virginia porch monkey because im black than lets discuss it. lol

[giovanni_hotel]

On point, LOL

[goldensamba]

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.



That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

I reiterate Hara ain't racist

Racist and Ignorant are totally different. It appears one is rearing its ugly head.

[goldensamba]

@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.

We all have preferences. I agree that black guys as a whole are more closeted due to a more homophobic, and like vanessa said pages earlier but got ignored because of the race war vs Hara (who love black Guys. Trust me), Black guys lack respect in the streets and are quick to pull the "well ur still a man" card on a girl. Black guys are like Geminis often in saying one thing, and doing another thing when noones looking.

Who gets poked more is noones business cuz there is no winner other that whoever enjoys themselves the most while spurring their haters. Anything after that is moot.
More stereotyping. :roll:


If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.


Unless you have met literally thousands of black men you cannot make this statement. It's racist and stereotyping. What kind of person believes some random fact until it's disproved? That makes no sense. So I can believe the Milky Way Galaxy is made of actual Milky Way candy bars until someone disproves it? Brilliant scientific method there mate. How about I just stereo type and say all TS girls are money hungry sluts that just want to get with someone to pay their bills, etc. I have not met all TS girls so saying this is ignorant just as your statement is.

[RubyTS]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

[SarahG]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

Isn't that why most people argue?

Not very many people argue thinking they're wrong.

[2009AD]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

What is there to disprove? Sure, people can share their stories and experiences, but when someone says "all black people are this," or "most black people are that," they are making generalizations about an entire race based on their very limited experiences.

[RubyTS]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

[2009AD]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

Oh boy, where to begin?

You make a lot of assumptions about the men who've replied on this thread.

Neither you or I know what the men on HA do in the private lives.

"Bring the Black out?" I can guess what that means, but why don't you enlighten us.

[goldensamba]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

Those would be ignorant black people.

[blckhaze]

@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.

We all have preferences. I agree that black guys as a whole are more closeted due to a more homophobic, and like vanessa said pages earlier but got ignored because of the race war vs Hara (who love black Guys. Trust me), Black guys lack respect in the streets and are quick to pull the "well ur still a man" card on a girl. Black guys are like Geminis often in saying one thing, and doing another thing when noones looking.

Who gets poked more is noones business cuz there is no winner other that whoever enjoys themselves the most while spurring their haters. Anything after that is moot.
More stereotyping. :roll:


If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.


Unless you have met literally thousands of black men you cannot make this statement. It's racist and stereotyping. What kind of person believes some random fact until it's disproved? That makes no sense. So I can believe the Milky Way Galaxy is made of actual Milky Way candy bars until someone disproves it? Brilliant scientific method there mate. How about I just stereo type and say all TS girls are money hungry sluts that just want to get with someone to pay their bills, etc. I have not met all TS girls so saying this is ignorant just as your statement is.



Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.

[RubyTS]

and haze is black so there u have it! u guys dont see it because u are not their target

[jjhill]

Everyone have different experiences, that's what it boils down too. I'm from one of the worst suburbs in a America. At one time, my high school averaged 4 deaths a yr. With all that being said, we had individuals that were homosexuals, lesbians, and transgendered. Not one time could I remember them being made fun of. Matter of fact I had gym with an individual in the early stages of transitioning. The only reason she was made fun of was because the gym teacher liked her. So I mean, I guess it's different for everybody. So when I hear statements like Blacks are the biggest homophobes I have to disagree based off my experience.

[Suckalot1]

Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you.

[RubyTS]

thats a first.... ive been called a lot of things but not bright is new to the list. Thanx!

mr 24 posts telling me i dont know who im talking to or what im talking about... smh. Dude if u dont understand me, then mayyybe ur not so bright urself

[BLKGSXR]

Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you. :roll: :trolls

Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to.
Correction: <3 4sarah- In a bit of a hurry
Fucking idiot

[deee757]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

Ruby, at least feel me on this..... If you go into the areas where u live and they "bring the black out", You can not make this a representative of an entire race. This is your experience, with a group of people who happen to be black. I know the media shows u other wise, but we are a very diverse race just like any other. Black culture is not some giant living in the mountains, its very diverse.

[SarahG]

Ruby, you have no idea what you are talking about or who your agreeing with. I can't even understand what you wrote on the last page, it was one long run-on sentence that made no sense. Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to. HAHA ridiculous. It hasn't been proven or disproven, it's an ignorant claim that has no actual fact to it. So what are you talking about you don't see anyone disproving anything just posting experiences? By posting experiences we're disproving her generalizations.

Not to bright, are you. :roll: :trolls

Your english and grammar are TERRIBLE and your so ignorant you have no idea who your talking to.
Correction: Your English and grammar IS terrible therefore you are very ignorant. You have no idea who you are talking to...
Fucking idiot

Fixed that for you. :P

[deee757]

and haze is black so there u have it! u guys dont see it because u are not their target

I lived in a housing project type of environment, and if you came through, you would have been called a man. I also lived in a middle class neighborhood, and you would have been called a man there too. I own a home in a neighborhood in which i rent out, and u can walk down the street and they will not bother you. The area where I live now is half black and half white and if you are a TS or Gay, no one bothers you. Is all in where you are, like i said before, we are just as diverse as any other group

[deee757]

JohnnyWalkerblacklabel should get a HA award for that word association thread. I am addicted

[jjhill]

JohnnyWalkerblacklabel should get a HA award for that word association thread. I am addicted

same here lol

[TsVanessa69]

@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.




More stereotyping. :roll:


If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.






Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.

And I as a transexual totally agree with this statement. I am 37 years old, have been iditifying as transgenderd since i was 17, and when I go in public, even to this day, a black person will always be the one to talk shit, call me a man and laugh. Case in point, last week in my job, myself and 2 trans girls were walking in Humbolt Park, a Puerto Rican neighborhood, where 2 Puerto Ricans and a Black man stood. The Black man was the only person to say some bullshit. This is an everyday occurance in both Chicago and NYC. I apss thru white, asian and latino people in groups and why is it blacks are the ONLY ones to think its a joke? This is not stereotyping, this is a FACT that I have lived for well over 15 years. And funny, I always look better than the people talking shit and the woman with them.

[jjhill]

@ jjhill & dee757- i mean it was a harmless topic, even if you dont hold back on pcness but use tact when replying. All this prison talk and whos racist for not fucking black guys like u drink water is nuts.




More stereotyping. :roll:


If you say so.
I stand by my statement. I have as of yet been disproved.






Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.

And I as a transexual totally agree with this statement. I am 37 years old, have been iditifying as transgenderd since i was 17, and when I go in public, even to this day, a black person will always be the one to talk shit, call me a man and laugh. Case in point, last week in my job, myself and 2 trans girls were walking in Humbolt Park, a Puerto Rican neighborhood, where 2 Puerto Ricans and a Black man stood. The Black man was the only person to say some bullshit. This is an everyday occurance in both Chicago and NYC. I apss thru white, asian and latino people in groups and why is it blacks are the ONLY ones to think its a joke? This is not stereotyping, this is a FACT that I have lived for well over 15 years. And funny, I always look better than the people talking shit and the woman with them.


Well I just want to make it clear, all blacks are not like that and all parts of chicago is not like that. I know that for a fact

[RubyTS]

i lived in the projects a while back when my mother was alive and surprisingly i didnt have a hard time at all with anyone making comments or remarks

Ive lived in hunts point where it was awfully ghetto and hookers roamed in the daytime with children on their way to school, and i dint have issues with people out there eiither

When i was in college there was an incident with a black girl who swore up and down i was a "dude" and felt it her business to tell some other students in the break area, and i approached them about it. i told them if u wanna know what i am dont ask her, she's not fucking me. She dont know what i have between my legs. They asked me and i told them its irrelevant because im not interested in any of them, im here for school and they should b as well instead of sitting around the lounge trying to figure out what i have between my legs.

There was another incident with a black guy without cause, who stalked me down a very busy street with a fkkn butcher knife simply because im trans. I stopped the police, and an elderly black woman told the police i started it!!!

Another incident on 42nd street where i was walking with some of my friends and some black guy in the backseat of a SUV tried to spit on me

Another incident with a black client who assaulted me because he had been drinking and wasnt able to cum within the hour

Another incident, actually this one was in hunts point, where a blk guy pulled out a gun on me and stole my jewelry, AFTER WE HAD SEX

Another blk client who would pay the first time and then wen he earned the girls trust he would put empty envelopes down on the table

Another situation where a group of black guys on the train wanted to jump me and my boyfriend just for looking at them

MOST OF MY negative experiences in life have been with black folk. and if u ask most other transexuals they will tell u the same. Not saying that spanish people dont have their fair share as well but they joke and laugh, while blk guys get angry and offended at the very thought of a person living their life opposite the sex they were assigned at birth

I can go on and on about my experiences with black folk, but yet and still i am not a racist. Someone mentioned earlier about girls who dont date black men, that if they ran a legit job, would be slammed with lawsuits. I found it funny. But the truth is while that is true, this is not a legit business and the girls do what they have to do to protect themselves. Sometimes forming these generalizations is the difference between life and death. I have learned over time to avoid groups of young black men. And while some may be harmless, a lot of the times when u put them in groups they DONT KNOW HOW TO ACT! Maybe thats a generalization, but id rather cross that fucking street than wind up on the 10 oclock news. I STILL date black men, but i dont date any character with a shady/urban/ghetto vibe over the phone whether they r white black brown green blue red or whatever!

[TsVanessa69]

[quote=blckhaze]





Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.

And I as a transexual totally agree with this statement. I am 37 years old, have been iditifying as transgenderd since i was 17, and when I go in public, even to this day, a black person will always be the one to talk shit, call me a man and laugh. Case in point, last week in my job, myself and 2 trans girls were walking in Humbolt Park, a Puerto Rican neighborhood, where 2 Puerto Ricans and a Black man stood. The Black man was the only person to say some bullshit. This is an everyday occurance in both Chicago and NYC. I apss thru white, asian and latino people in groups and why is it blacks are the ONLY ones to think its a joke? This is not stereotyping, this is a FACT that I have lived for well over 15 years. And funny, I always look better than the people talking shit and the woman with them.


Well I just want to make it clear, all blacks are not like that and all parts of chicago is not like that. I know that for a fact
You are very right on both points and I never siad EVERY black person was. Just I have been conditioned by black people and the way they treat me in PUBLIC to know when I am going to pass them, expect bullshit, and without fail, it happens. But as I am always on point when I leave my house, I see it as jealousy or the fact they know they are out of their league. Thus I do find a great satisfaction and thrill about shoving my cock down a black clients throat or pounding the frustartions out on their asses.

[TsVanessa69]

i lived in the projects a while back when my mother was alive and surprisingly i didnt have a hard time at all with anyone making comments or remarks

Ive lived in hunts point where it was awfully ghetto and hookers roamed in the daytime with children on their way to school, and i dint have issues with people out there eiither

When i was in college there was an incident with a black girl who swore up and down i was a "dude" and felt it her business to tell some other students in the break area, and i approached them about it. i told them if u wanna know what i am dont ask her, she's not fucking me. She dont know what i have between my legs. They asked me and i told them its irrelevant because im not interested in any of them, im here for school and they should b as well instead of sitting around the lounge trying to figure out what i have between my legs.

There was another incident with a black guy without cause, who stalked me down a very busy street with a fkkn butcher knife simply because im trans. I stopped the police, and an elderly black woman told the police i started it!!!

Another incident on 42nd street where i was walking with some of my friends and some black guy in the backseat of a SUV tried to spit on me

Another incident with a black client who assaulted me because he had been drinking and wasnt able to cum within the hour

Another incident, actually this one was in hunts point, where a blk guy pulled out a gun on me and stole my jewelry, AFTER WE HAD SEX

Another blk client who would pay the first time and then wen he earned the girls trust he would put empty envelopes down on the table

Another situation where a group of black guys on the train wanted to jump me and my boyfriend just for looking at them

MOST OF MY negative experiences in life have been with black folk. and if u ask most other transexuals they will tell u the same. Not saying that spanish people dont have their fair share as well but they joke and laugh, while blk guys get angry and offended at the very thought of a person living their life opposite the sex they were assigned at birth

I can go on and on about my experiences with black folk, but yet and still i am not a racist. Someone mentioned earlier about girls who dont date black men, that if they ran a legit job, would be slammed with lawsuits. I found it funny. But the truth is while that is true, this is not a legit business and the girls do what they have to do to protect themselves. Sometimes forming these generalizations is the difference between life and death. I have learned over time to avoid groups of young black men. And while some may be harmless, a lot of the times when u put them in groups they DONT KNOW HOW TO ACT! Maybe thats a generalization, but id rather cross that fucking street than wind up on the 10 oclock news. I STILL date black men, but i dont date any character with a shady/urban/ghetto vibe over the phone whether they r white black brown green blue red or whatever!
AMEN SISTA! Your stories are parellel to mine.
But YES I do have black clients, and I have even tried to date black men in my personal life, which was another disaster.
And the funny thing is, the kool black people always say Puerto Ricans are the same as black, yet growing up I got shit from them for being Puerto Rican and trans. So I just always have my guard up, and I deal with every person of ANY race I meet on a 1 on 1 bases. Do white people have issues with TS? Yes, but are much less likely to ever open their mouths about it in public. Do Puerto Ricans have issues with TS? Yes, but its NEVER been as fierce as it has with black people. And once again I am only speaking on what I have PERSONALLY lived.

[RubyTS]

and if any of the other girls spoke up im sure u would see many more common denominators

[fitz207]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.

[fitz207]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.
This is a ridiculous statement. I've served 15 years in the U.S military living with many different races. I think i've seen more diversity than any of you ladies. Again any of your negative comments toward blacks can be applied to ANY racial group. But it's clear that you have had some pretty bad experiences with CERTAIN black people.

[RubyTS]

any of your negative comments toward blacks can be applied to ANY racial group.

yeah cuz we see tons of asians chasing trannies down the streets with bottles :roll:

[fitz207]

myself and 2 trans girls were walking in Humbolt Park, a Puerto Rican neighborhood, where 2 Puerto Ricans and a Black man stood. The Black man was the only person to say some bullshit. This is an everyday occurance in both Chicago and NYC. I apss thru white, asian and latino people in groups and why is it blacks are the ONLY ones to think its a joke? This is not stereotyping, this is a FACT that I have lived for well over 15 years. And funny, I always look better than the people talking shit and the woman with them.
A couple of black friends of mine have told me that Puerto Rican's and Mexican's were the most racist of all hispanics groups. You pass white, asian and latinos and nothing is said? Again that's because you haven't been everywhere, you're mostly talking about NYC and Chicago. Walk down the road in my uncle's neighborhood in Louisiana. You would run back to Chicago. Because latinos, asians and blacks are hated equally there. NY and Chicago is a cake walk in comparison. :lol: :lol:

[jjhill]

This has turned into a verbal lynching of black men.

[fitz207]

any of your negative comments toward blacks can be applied to ANY racial group.

yeah cuz we see tons of asians chasing trannies down the streets with bottles :roll:
Yeah, but I'm close to silver spring MD. Which has a large hispanic population. A lot of the spousal abuse is committed by hispanic men toward hispanic women. So i guess that proves ALL hispanic men are wife beaters. Right? :roll:

[RubyTS]

who said all?

[fitz207]

This has turned into a verbal lynching of black men.
I'm white and we're the ones often accused of being the most racist. But it seems like some in the latino community are about to take our place.

[fitz207]

who said all?
Ok Ruby 99.9% right? :lol:

[RubyTS]

when i speak, i speak from my experience using the terms "in my experience ive noticed that the majority of black people ive come into contact with...." If u read thru my posts youll notice i never say all or every, unless im referring to my experiences as a whole, or when im just being cute.

[jjhill]

This has turned into a verbal lynching of black men.
I'm white and we're the ones often accused of being the most racist. But it seems like some in the latino community are about to take our place.

:lol: lmfao, I love white people. I love all people. Majority of my friends are white and my lady white.

[deee757]

i would just be happy when u call me coon nigger boy, all this side talking. You dont like blacks dont sugar coat it. you cant use your experiences as an excuse

[RubyTS]

i have more than enough reasons to dislike black people, but i have ONE REALLY GOOD REASON not to :peanutbutter

[jjhill]

:(

[deee757]

i have more than enough reasons to dislike black people, but i have ONE REALLY GOOD REASON not to :peanutbutter

lol, george wallace with hormones

[deee757]

i love this

[TsVanessa69]

myself and 2 trans girls were walking in Humbolt Park, a Puerto Rican neighborhood, where 2 Puerto Ricans and a Black man stood. The Black man was the only person to say some bullshit. This is an everyday occurance in both Chicago and NYC. I apss thru white, asian and latino people in groups and why is it blacks are the ONLY ones to think its a joke? This is not stereotyping, this is a FACT that I have lived for well over 15 years. And funny, I always look better than the people talking shit and the woman with them.
A couple of black friends of mine have told me that Puerto Rican's and Mexican's were the most racist of all hispanics groups. You pass white, asian and latinos and nothing is said? Again that's because you haven't been everywhere, you're mostly talking about NYC and Chicago. Walk down the road in my uncle's neighborhood in Louisiana. You would run back to Chicago. Because latinos, asians and blacks are hated equally there. NY and Chicago is a cake walk in comparison. :lol: :lol:
SAomebody telling you and you expierencing it for YOURSELF are 2 different things. I speak on what I have EXPIERENCED. This months Puerto Rican newspaper features an article written about me and my contributions to my community despite being a transwoman. I am Puerto Rican and when I go to my country the men are LOVE, RESPECT and thats it. Even my girlfriend who is incidentally black and lives in Brooklyn pointed out the fact that when we are on the island, she wishes guys in the states would learn from them.

[TsVanessa69]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.
No he is just stating facts.

[jjhill]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.
No he is just stating facts.

He's stating an opinion based off his experiences.

[TomSelis]

I can't believe this has gone on for 31 pages!

.....of bullshit.

[jjhill]

Should we compare the racism and prejudices that transgendered individuals or even puerto ricans have endured compared to blacks, native americans, irish, jews, etc?


Look we're basically saying, don't let personal experiences dictate how you feel about a race. If I let personal experiences dictate my feelings, I would hate everyone. Even black people.

[TsVanessa69]

Should we compare the racism and prejudices that transgendered individuals or even puerto ricans have endured compared to blacks, native americans, irish, jews, etc?


Look we're basically saying, don't let personal experiences dictate how you feel about a race. If I let personal experiences dictate my feelings, I would hate everyone. Even black people.
Puerto Rican people have been treated badly too.
But thats a whole nother story.
Just for he record, this Puerto Rican transexual take money from all races and creeds, and ass and mouth too!

[jjhill]

Should we compare the racism and prejudices that transgendered individuals or even puerto ricans have endured compared to blacks, native americans, irish, jews, etc?


Look we're basically saying, don't let personal experiences dictate how you feel about a race. If I let personal experiences dictate my feelings, I would hate everyone. Even black people.
Puerto Rican people have been treated badly too.
But thats a whole nother story.
Just for he record, this Puerto Rican transexual take money from all races and creeds, and ass and mouth too!

Your right your right, everyone has. My comment was out of place. I'm just tired of the black male being the big bad bully or the ultimate oppressor.

[goldensamba]

and haze is black so there u have it! u guys dont see it because u are not their target

So because he is black he is now the authority? In case you haven't noticed I am as well. To use 1 man as the authority for an entire race is dumb.

[goldensamba]

how many of you people that are sitting here typing racist this and racist that have actually involved urself in black cullture OUTSIDE of a professional setting? Most u guys work ur 9 - 5 and go home to the wife... you've never even experienced when "they bring the black out" And to those of u who thing THATS racist BLACK people are the ones who say it.

Ruby, at least feel me on this..... If you go into the areas where u live and they "bring the black out", You can not make this a representative of an entire race. This is your experience, with a group of people who happen to be black. I know the media shows u other wise, but we are a very diverse race just like any other. Black culture is not some giant living in the mountains, its very diverse.

Absolutely correct.....

[RubyTS]

aww yoshi u such a cute lil puppy dog mmmuah

[BLKGSXR]

HAH!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

It's only an issue in your head cos you make it an issue. It's not an issue in mines. And I don't really need to justify or prove anything to you or anyone. You can interpret it any way you wish. :roll: People that has known me at this forum knows.

Despite the bad experiences I've had, that still does NOT change my relationships with each one of them nor has stopped me being friends with others.

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

Isn't that why most people argue?

Not very many people argue thinking they're wrong.

Well thanks to you, playing devils advocate and fanning the controversy even more by linking another thread, this one just spun out of control. But you never said your piece about the 'touchy' subject, now have you?

:roll:

~Kisses.

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[SarahG]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

Isn't that why most people argue?

Not very many people argue thinking they're wrong.

Well thanks to you, playing devils advocate and fanning the controversy even more by linking another thread, this one just spun out of control. But you never said your piece about the 'touchy' subject, now have you?

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I wasn't trying to get turn this into a bash Hara thread.

I was simply showing that there is a double standard here.

When certain people say things, everyone goes and complains.

But when other people say them? No one says a damn thing, certainly don't react as passionately or belligerently.

[yosi]

It's only an issue in your head cos you make it an issue. It's not an issue in mines.



in other words : racists are those who choose to be racist.
those who don't tolerate poeple that are different from them.
those who preter to generalise races instead of judging poeple individualy.

there are assholes in every race , and there are good poeple 8)

[deee757]

Ok Ok, lets take a different approach... We can all presume that a racist is a person who dislikes or judges people based on their race......so all of the people who refuse to offer their services to certain races, explain why this is not being a racist, and give some examples of what you think racism is. (please don't refer to your three black friends you have tolerated for humanitarian reasons) Next thing....Are there any positive experiences with black man that can be shared on this forum....please speak up. I once heard a man say, nobody oppresses like the oppressed.......

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Ok Ok, lets take a different approach... We can all presume that a racist is a person who dislikes or judges people based on their race......so all of the people who refuse to offer their services to certain races, explain why this is not being a racist, and give some examples of what you think racism is. (please don't refer to your three black friends you have tolerated for humanitarian reasons) Next thing....Are there any positive experiences with black man that can be shared on this forum....please speak up. I once heard a man say, nobody oppresses like the oppressed.......

@deee757

On point One, I'm NOT offering services (I work in health care full time). And back then when I lived back east and I did bdsm session 3 nights a week (for 3 years) at an NYC fetish club, I've always been an equal opportunity dominatrix. Money talks, bullshit walks! If anyone who's seen me work at the club, they know I mean business. Sure, I've been stiffed inside the club by a black guy no less. But that didn't stop me from entertaining others that came in.

Point Two, That's never been done (I don't think)..a feel good thread..why don't you initiate it and see where it leads?

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i dont see anyone disproving anything! i see people sharing their stories and experiences and i see other people WHO DONT KNOW ANY BETTER calling them racist. Its like you guys are arguing just to be right.

Isn't that why most people argue?

Not very many people argue thinking they're wrong.

Well thanks to you, playing devils advocate and fanning the controversy even more by linking another thread, this one just spun out of control. But you never said your piece about the 'touchy' subject, now have you?

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I wasn't trying to get turn this into a bash Hara thread.

Do you mean what you say? Not convincing enough..because apparently you crave the drama (Page 1):


Nothing good can come from this thread LOL!! If I weren't on my way out the door I would stay and watch the all too likely pending train wreck.

Mission accomplished! Well done.


I was simply showing that there is a double standard here.

Perhaps, you should have elaborated on this further. Say what you really mean. Girls (who are passable) are being bashed all because they spoke up and shared their experiences. So wrong on different levels IMO. And the worst part is you're tg or maybe you're not and could not relate to these experiences. You started this mess. Yet you never said anything but just watched a giggled behind your computer! :roll:

~Kisses.

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[deee757]

Ok Ok, lets take a different approach... We can all presume that a racist is a person who dislikes or judges people based on their race......so all of the people who refuse to offer their services to certain races, explain why this is not being a racist, and give some examples of what you think racism is. (please don't refer to your three black friends you have tolerated for humanitarian reasons) Next thing....Are there any positive experiences with black man that can be shared on this forum....please speak up. I once heard a man say, nobody oppresses like the oppressed.......

@deee757

On point One, I'm NOT offering services (I work in health care full time). And back then when I lived back east and I did bdsm session 3 nights a week (for 3 years) at an NYC fetish club, I've always been an equal opportunity dominatrix. Money talks, bullshit walks! If anyone who's seen me work at the club, they know I mean business. Sure, I've been stiffed inside the club by a black guy no less. But that didn't stop me from entertaining others that came in.

Point Two, That's never been done (I don't think)..a feel good thread..why don't you initiate it and see where it leads?

;)

~Kisses.

HTG


When u were offering services, i can respect your approach (even though im sure u were stiffed by more than just black guys) but im asking if you have ever had a positive experience with a black person, (i dont want to start a thread because it would lead to the same thing) just want to know if you have had ANY positive experiences with a black person

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Um, nope. I was never stiffed by any white, hispanic, asian, indian, greek, jewish, german, australian, british, armenian, italian men etc..

And yes I have PLENTY, do you want their emails to reference with? I know one black guy even asked me if his gf could watch so she can do what I do to him (prostrate massage) perfectly.

~Kisses.

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[blacktgirls]

Is it just my imagination but is there a real difference between fucking the average black man and the average white man.

It seems that a white man is much more willing to bottom than a black man. I am totally insane or am I right?

I am white, I would not bottom for a black ts. I know the chances of her packing some asshole shreading dick is, on average, greater than bottoming for a hispanic chick or white chick. Not always however.

I would think the fear of being split is a reason to not even beginning to like bottoming if you are black.

Go to Houston's Cousins club, look up a black girl named Shay. You will see she is more attracted to white and hispanic guys than black guys. She splits their asses wide open...

I tried to allow her to top me, but I stopped when the pain became to much. She is packing some monster meat. no matter how many times i read this reply i still laugh :lol:

[deee757]

Um, nope. I was never stiffed by any white, hispanic, asian, indian, greek, jewish, german, australian, british, armenian, italian men etc..

And yes I have PLENTY, do you want their emails to reference with? I know one black guy even asked me if his gf could watch so she can do what I do to him (prostrate massage) perfectly.

~Kisses.

HTG

Well, i guess i digress, only black men stiff TS's. Ok now that that's over. Can u go into detail about your positive experience with the black person

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Um, nope. I was never stiffed by any white, hispanic, asian, indian, greek, jewish, german, australian, british, armenian, italian men etc..

And yes I have PLENTY, do you want their emails to reference with? I know one black guy even asked me if his gf could watch so she can do what I do to him (prostrate massage) perfectly.

~Kisses.

HTG

Well, i guess i digress, only black men stiff TS's. Ok now that that's over. Can u go into detail about your positive experience with the black person

No sexual details..

Here's one, I was shoe shopping with a female cousin and a couple friends of ours at an outlet store in the valley. While checking out shoes, there was this black guy who was constantly grinding his whole body on my ass and hips. At first, I didn't paid any attention to it (thinking that the aisles were narrow) but when his grinding almost knocked me off while standing, i looked at him and he gave me a wink. He was with his pregnant gf at that time (I know it's BADD lol). But I felt flattered because I wasn't even dolled up that day - was in jeans and a shirt with no make up (I didn't even think I showered that day). But anyways, he asked for my number when his gf wasn't looking and called me up as soon as he got home. So we met up another time. And became really good friends after that and we still talk or see each other to this day..he even picks me up at work if I needed a ride. ;)

Oh and he loves feet. He said I got pretty ones and wanted to suck on it while he jerks off! So he did. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[kensterling]

Just picked up on this thread and will admit to only reading just this last page. I know this it a TG forum, but as a male escort, I have seen plenty of black men. Mostly when I worked the DC area. They were all college types or professional men and mostly when they called you could not tell over the phone. I never had a problem and they all paid. Also have seen quite a few in Philly.
I think it has to do with a matter of class over race. Not sure if the prof types are different from the gangster types, I would think so, but can't say from experience. Once again, I think it has more to do with class then race.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Another one, my former boss at work was black. She was the conservator (sister) of my patient who's bed ridden. Whenever she would come to visit she always calls me and asked me what she could bring me i.e. starbucks, lunch etc. And even though I said I wasn't really hungry she always bring something for me like a frappucino or some mexican or chinese food.

Last Christmas, she gave me a massager and some cash inside a Christmas card. On my birthday, she gave me a check and a gift. She also made sure I have a comfortable chair err a nice recliner to sit while tending to her brother (we worked a long 12 hour shift). When my old att phone and ran out of minutes she bought me more minutes pronto.

When her brother was at the hospital (which was like 2 hours away from me) she always tells me to leave at 5pm so I wouldn't be on the road when it starts getting dark. She constantly reminds me how her whole family appreciates all my hard work and they could tell that her brother looked good, clean, groomed and calm resting comfortably in bed. As opposed to when they had other nurses taking care of him.

Hows that for positive experience? Two were work related and one was for leisure..

~Kisses.

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[TomSelis]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

[deee757]

Just picked up on this thread and will admit to only reading just this last page. I know this it a TG forum, but as a male escort, I have seen plenty of black men. Mostly when I worked the DC area. They were all college types or professional men and mostly when they called you could not tell over the phone. I never had a problem and they all paid. Also have seen quite a few in Philly.
I think it has to do with a matter of class over race. Not sure if the prof types are different from the gangster types, I would think so, but can't say from experience. Once again, I think it has more to do with class then race.

Was all i been saying the whole time. I can take u to some areas here where I can guarantee that a TS will harassed and called names. I can also take u to some areas that will be the exact opposite, with the same race population

[deee757]

Um, nope. I was never stiffed by any white, hispanic, asian, indian, greek, jewish, german, australian, british, armenian, italian men etc..

And yes I have PLENTY, do you want their emails to reference with? I know one black guy even asked me if his gf could watch so she can do what I do to him (prostrate massage) perfectly.

~Kisses.

HTG

Well, i guess i digress, only black men stiff TS's. Ok now that that's over. Can u go into detail about your positive experience with the black person

No sexual details..

Here's one, I was shoe shopping with a female cousin and a couple friends of ours at an outlet store in the valley. While checking out shoes, there was this black guy who was constantly grinding his whole body on my ass and hips. At first, I didn't paid any attention to it (thinking that the aisles were narrow) but when his grinding almost knocked me off while standing, i looked at him and he gave me a wink. He was with his pregnant gf at that time (I know it's BADD lol). But I felt flattered because I wasn't even dolled up that day - was in jeans and a shirt with no make up (I didn't even think I showered that day). But anyways, he asked for my number when his gf wasn't looking and called me up as soon as he got home. So we met up another time. And became really good friends after that and we still talk or see each other to this day..he even picks me up at work if I needed a ride. ;)

Oh and he loves feet. He said I got pretty ones and wanted to suck on it while he jerks off! So he did. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

I cheating public pervert was our best representation? Ok Ok, I know, slow progress is better than no progress. Thanks for sharing

[deee757]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

[ozma]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

With all the personal things they do aside, I wouldn't touch them.

[ozma]

so ruby or vanessa you wouldnt fuck me because im black?

LOL, Vanessa is black, don't let the Rican guise confuse you, now.

[ozma]

i lived in the projects a while back when my mother was alive and surprisingly i didnt have a hard time at all with anyone making comments or remarks

Ive lived in hunts point where it was awfully ghetto and hookers roamed in the daytime with children on their way to school, and i dint have issues with people out there eiither

When i was in college there was an incident with a black girl who swore up and down i was a "dude" and felt it her business to tell some other students in the break area, and i approached them about it. i told them if u wanna know what i am dont ask her, she's not fucking me. She dont know what i have between my legs. They asked me and i told them its irrelevant because im not interested in any of them, im here for school and they should b as well instead of sitting around the lounge trying to figure out what i have between my legs.

There was another incident with a black guy without cause, who stalked me down a very busy street with a fkkn butcher knife simply because im trans. I stopped the police, and an elderly black woman told the police i started it!!!

Another incident on 42nd street where i was walking with some of my friends and some black guy in the backseat of a SUV tried to spit on me

Another incident with a black client who assaulted me because he had been drinking and wasnt able to cum within the hour

Another incident, actually this one was in hunts point, where a blk guy pulled out a gun on me and stole my jewelry, AFTER WE HAD SEX

Another blk client who would pay the first time and then wen he earned the girls trust he would put empty envelopes down on the table

Another situation where a group of black guys on the train wanted to jump me and my boyfriend just for looking at them

MOST OF MY negative experiences in life have been with black folk. and if u ask most other transexuals they will tell u the same. Not saying that spanish people dont have their fair share as well but they joke and laugh, while blk guys get angry and offended at the very thought of a person living their life opposite the sex they were assigned at birth

I can go on and on about my experiences with black folk, but yet and still i am not a racist. Someone mentioned earlier about girls who dont date black men, that if they ran a legit job, would be slammed with lawsuits. I found it funny. But the truth is while that is true, this is not a legit business and the girls do what they have to do to protect themselves. Sometimes forming these generalizations is the difference between life and death. I have learned over time to avoid groups of young black men. And while some may be harmless, a lot of the times when u put them in groups they DONT KNOW HOW TO ACT! Maybe thats a generalization, but id rather cross that fucking street than wind up on the 10 oclock news. I STILL date black men, but i dont date any character with a shady/urban/ghetto vibe over the phone whether they r white black brown green blue red or whatever!
AMEN SISTA! Your stories are parellel to mine.
But YES I do have black clients, and I have even tried to date black men in my personal life, which was another disaster.
And the funny thing is, the kool black people always say Puerto Ricans are the same as black, yet growing up I got shit from them for being Puerto Rican and trans. So I just always have my guard up, and I deal with every person of ANY race I meet on a 1 on 1 bases. Do white people have issues with TS? Yes, but are much less likely to ever open their mouths about it in public. Do Puerto Ricans have issues with TS? Yes, but its NEVER been as fierce as it has with black people. And once again I am only speaking on what I have PERSONALLY lived.

Well, looking at you, I can see why they said that.

[goldensamba]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

With all the personal things they do aside, I wouldn't touch them.


Who is "they"? Not sure I get what you are saying here.

[2009AD]

LOL, Vanessa is black, don't let the Rican guise confuse you, now.

She's black Puerto Rican.


http://www.black-tgirls.com/tour/2005/january/vanessaB.jpg

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Um, nope. I was never stiffed by any white, hispanic, asian, indian, greek, jewish, german, australian, british, armenian, italian men etc..

And yes I have PLENTY, do you want their emails to reference with? I know one black guy even asked me if his gf could watch so she can do what I do to him (prostrate massage) perfectly.

~Kisses.

HTG

Well, i guess i digress, only black men stiff TS's. Ok now that that's over. Can u go into detail about your positive experience with the black person

No sexual details..

Here's one, I was shoe shopping with a female cousin and a couple friends of ours at an outlet store in the valley. While checking out shoes, there was this black guy who was constantly grinding his whole body on my ass and hips. At first, I didn't paid any attention to it (thinking that the aisles were narrow) but when his grinding almost knocked me off while standing, i looked at him and he gave me a wink. He was with his pregnant gf at that time (I know it's BADD lol). But I felt flattered because I wasn't even dolled up that day - was in jeans and a shirt with no make up (I didn't even think I showered that day). But anyways, he asked for my number when his gf wasn't looking and called me up as soon as he got home. So we met up another time. And became really good friends after that and we still talk or see each other to this day..he even picks me up at work if I needed a ride. ;)

Oh and he loves feet. He said I got pretty ones and wanted to suck on it while he jerks off! So he did. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

I cheating public pervert was our best representation? Ok Ok, I know, slow progress is better than no progress. Thanks for sharing

Well, you ASKED! I gave you one example that was good for me (minus the preggy gf)!

~Kisses.

HTG

[ozma]

LOL, Vanessa is black, don't let the Rican guise confuse you, now.

She's black Puerto Rican.




Yeah, the original quoter probably thought that she was something other than black, but she is not, she is mostly of African descent, who is culturally Puerto Rican.

[deee757]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I think we are confusing dating and offering services. No matter what you race is you have a right to date what ever race you want. But when you start excluding races for your services its discrimination.

[deee757]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

With all the personal things they do aside, I wouldn't touch them.

Like I said previously, nobody discriminates like those that have been discriminated against. If this were 1950 you would be a nig.......... too

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I think we are confusing dating and offering services. No matter what you race is you have a right to date what ever race you want. But when you start excluding races for your services its discrimination.

Whoever mentioned offering services? I never mentioned it. I think some of you guys were directing your replies at the wrong person!

~Kisses.

HTG

[ozma]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

With all the personal things they do aside, I wouldn't touch them.

Like I said previously, nobody discriminates like those that have been discriminated against. If this were 1950 you would be a nig.......... too

WTF, you saying that I discriminate because I CHOSE not to have anything to do with them?? This is coming from a guy who said you have a choice to date who you want, then come up with shit like this??

Every group of people in history has been discriminated against, one way or another, if a person can date who you want (your words) then you have a right to exclude people you don't want to associate with. Everyone has that right. And I doubt that these girls are crying over it as well.

And another thing, how the hell are you going to associate a dating preference with discrimination in the 1950's????

[T-girl hound]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I think we are confusing dating and offering services. No matter what you race is you have a right to date what ever race you want. But when you start excluding races for your services its discrimination.

Whoever mentioned offering services? I never mentioned it. I think some of you guys were directing your replies at the wrong person!

~Kisses.

HTG

Hey cutie pie :wink:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

I think we are confusing dating and offering services. No matter what you race is you have a right to date what ever race you want. But when you start excluding races for your services its discrimination.

Whoever mentioned offering services? I never mentioned it. I think some of you guys were directing your replies at the wrong person!

~Kisses.

HTG

Hey cutie pie :wink:

Hey babie! :P

~Kisses.

HTG

P.S.

Thanks by the way for having a lil confidence in me.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.



That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

I reiterate Hara ain't racist

Racist and Ignorant are totally different. It appears one is rearing its ugly head.

Oh and I'm not done yet..

@Goldensamba

Just because you've messaged me a few times (on tg pixels, myspace and here) and extended an invite to hang out and it never happened or materialized that maybe you felt IGNORED does not give you the right to call me IGNORANT. I've hardly even had any time to go out because I work erratic long hours and schedules. From my recollection, I was always nice and congenial towards you.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=195352&highlight=#195352

~Kisses.

HTG

[goldensamba]

I like you, Hara_Juku Tgirl, for the most part :), but sometimes you state your opinions in such broad sweeping generalizations that others miss a very important point you're trying to make IMO.

Hara_Juku, I feel that you've had the very unfortunate experience of being associated/been around some really ignorant Black folks, but you should recognize they are but a small sample and should not be used to extrapolate what Black people think as a whole.

I will agree, because I'm not TG, and most are merely referencing their own experiences, that TGs experience more verbal abuse than any group in public, and I'm not surprised if most of it comes from Black women.



That maybe so, but granted as it were..I still go out and see black men and still am friends with alot of black girls. My first bf when moving here to the USA was black. It doesn't really bother me about skin color what bothers me is the fact that and let me emphasize for clarity - that a few/some black people tend to be tactless and too outspoken even when one wasn't really asking their opinions about being transgendered passing judgment on anyone for their own amusement without hardly looking at themselves for their own faults and shortcomings. Like doing that is really fruitful. Not only does that hurt but these has driven other tg's to have low self esteem/self worth and disfunctional or worst to suicide.

I don't think one should be too quick and call someone a racist because she stated an opinion based on her experience/s like me or Vanessa. No one can ever dispute those horrible experiences because it's not their experiences to begin with. That's all. If you've never been at the receiving end of a black girls fury then you'll never know how vicious and violent they could get at times. We can all agree to disagree but that's life!

It's just tiring hearing people size you up or call you a hater because you happen to be different - transgendered, gay or lesbian or when you have a strong opinion about something which are formed and based from one's own life experiences.

~Kisses.

HTG

And there it is, when you have to go through your "black friends" spill, you know its an issue. I have never in my life had to justify my stance on race by recalling how many white friends i have.

I reiterate Hara ain't racist

Racist and Ignorant are totally different. It appears one is rearing its ugly head.

Oh and I'm not done yet..

@Goldensamba

Just because you've messaged me a few times (on tg pixels, myspace and here) and extended an invite to hang out and it never happened or materialized that maybe you felt IGNORED does not give you the right to call me IGNORANT. I've hardly even had any time to go out because I work erratic long hours and schedules. From my recollection, I was always nice and congenial towards you.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=195352&highlight=#195352

~Kisses.

HTG


That statement was for many people in this thread. I never said you were anything other than nice or cordial. Friend or not I always call people on things I disagree with. Doesn't mean I don't like you, just means I don't agree with you. There's a big difference.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I reiterate Hara ain't racist

Racist and Ignorant are totally different. It appears one is rearing its ugly head.

Yeah way to quote T-girl Hound! The only thing rearing was your hurt ego. :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[deee757]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?

With all the personal things they do aside, I wouldn't touch them.

Like I said previously, nobody discriminates like those that have been discriminated against. If this were 1950 you would be a nig.......... too

WTF, you saying that I discriminate because I CHOSE not to have anything to do with them?? This is coming from a guy who said you have a choice to date who you want, then come up with shit like this??

Every group of people in history has been discriminated against, one way or another, if a person can date who you want (your words) then you have a right to exclude people you don't want to associate with. Everyone has that right. And I doubt that these girls are crying over it as well.

And another thing, how the hell are you going to associate a dating preference with discrimination in the 1950's????


touching "them" and dating "them" is a little different woudlnt u agree?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I was trying to avoid this thread but fuck it.

Look the original question was about brothas gettin fucked and whether or not they liked it as much as White men. I left the thread alone because (and no offense Bren.....I mean Aisha) the O.P. started out as a brotha. As a brotha I'm pretty sure she liked getting the salami pumped up that rump hence the switch, but I could be wrong, not really something I care to think about more than 30 seconds........

This whole race shit is bullshit. I'm not EVER going to call out names but chicks that don't (supposedly) do scenes, date, or see clients that are Afro-American sure do flirt with brothas at clubs, parties, social gatherings, etc.

At the end of the day, judging an individual of any color, any religion, and political party based on the actions of someone from their troubled past who shared possibly any of those 3 things is pointless, each individual is just that: an individual.

Let me lay another myth to bed since we're all here and this convo has gone all over the place. Not all brothas are broke and are looking for a freebie. What I've heard for well over 10 years while in this fuckin scene from dumb chicks is that they were [told] they shouldn't date brothas because they think their dicks are huge so they don't have to pay.
Translation: "This guy came over to my friends apartment and she wasn't what he expected so he refused to pay and stay and she kicked him out, and she shares the place with a roommate so when asked why he left so abruptly the reply was "oh he thought he could get it for free!!!" SMH, enough of this bullshit.

Newsflash: not every brotha has a large dick [ok 95% of us do but that's another topic, lol].

Future topic I predict will be posted in similarity to this one "Why do escorts say they're 1/2 a nationality and 1/2 another one when in actuality they are 100% _________insert nationality here_____"

JWBL

[Silcc69]

Wait Johnny you are black?

[Alyssa87]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.

[goldensamba]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.


This all wold have been avoided if everyone had said "in my experience" instead they just generalized an entire race without a qualifying statement. It's like black person from the south saying all white people are racist. That's not true in the least but it may be in that persons experience. Generalizing is not a good thing. EVER.

[SarahG]

Perhaps, you should have elaborated on this further. Say what you really mean.

Ok, I'll bite.

Anyone who isn't an idiot can look around the last few pages of HA postings and find dozens of people saying things similar to what you have- in this thread, and many separate threads. And you know what? No one called them on out on it, or went on for 15 pages going back & forward about it.

The posters here need to realize that if they want to be taken credible, they need to be equally harsh to the same type of comments, REGARDLESS who posts them, or what threads they are posted in.

If they think it's wrong, GREAT- say so, just don't be asymmetrical about it. React just as often, just as harsh, and just as passionately whether the poster who says it is white, asian, male, female, black, or anything else for that matter. If you pick & chose who you respond to, or who you passionately respond to- it only makes you look like a hypocrite.

As to my opinion on all this, I'll reiterate some of the things I've said (already) on this forum in the past.

-You can't claim using statistics that blacks oppose gay marriage more than whites. The statics simply don't support that false assumption. Just look at the gay marriage bans of 2004, and you'll see your evidence. The CA 2008 proposition 8 was different, but in the world of statistics that's called A FLUKE. So why do so many people falsely blame blacks for gay marriage bans? It's a conservative fundamentalist tactic of divide & conquer. Get the liberals fighting each other, and its easier to fuck them over.

-I already I think thoroughly called into question this thread's earlier statistics involving prison populations, and student populations. I even dug up the census data that proves those figures are inaccurate. Using statistics that are blatantly incorrect does not get people to agree with you (I learned this earlier this year when I myself was misinformed into thinking that other nations have the same types of guns per capita statistics without the same gun related violence we have, I believe the threads showing I was wrong with those stats are somewhere in the politics section, if anyone is interested).

-Saying how many "black friends you have" does not mean you're a racist. But it doesn't mean you're not a racist either. It's simply not proof in either direction. That's kind of like a guy saying "Oh, I am not sexist because I date girls!" or "I know guy's don't beat their wives because I'm married!" (and I have some tropical ocean front property in canada for sale if you'll buy either of those arguments...).

-Saying one group is more "homophobic" or "transphobic" then the other? Well, there's plenty of blame to go around there. Why is it so many of the groups that start these gay ban initiatives are overwhelmingly WHITE? Why were so many of the stormtroopers lobbying in the streets for proposition8 white? The calculating social conservatives that are usually responsible for oppressive legislation tend to be white evangelicals, baptists, or Mormons (there being obvious exceptions). Where was all that money that was pumped into the Proposition8 initiative coming from? It was coming from Utah, the bible belt, and churches throughout the backwoods of the country. Not so much from inner cities. How many of the oppressive APA policymakers are black? Does anyone here actually know what Bailey, Blanchard, Zucker, or the other transphobic policymakers look like? Does anyone here know how many of those policymakers aren't even American? Anyone remember when HRC threw us under the bus (the 3 times they did so involving federal bills)? There's the whole issue of certain sects of GAYS, independent of race, being transphobic. There are a lot of groups that have shown what they'd "like to do to trans people." To simply say it's "all one" or "all the other" is incorrect, it's intellectually dishonest, and it's helping the people that would like to simply kill us.

And Blanchard is going after the guys here next. They're trying to change the DSM for DSM5 to label anyone who finds a trans person attractive mentally ill. They want to call this new "condition" Gynandromorphophilia. So sure, keep fighting amongst ourselves like there's nothing to worry about. It's only playing into THEIR HANDS. Y'all need to open your eyes, there are truly evil, calculating, organized, oppressive groups out there trying to hurt all of us.

[giovanni_hotel]

ALyssa, you are way too fine to say something so crazy!! - without any context whatsoever.

Black men bother, threaten, and attack TGs MORE than any other group??

You've never had grief from any other ethinicity/race of men??

Are you attempting to imply Black men are more aggressive in their dealings with TGs, which I can understand more so, in general.

Wow, your racial pipe-bomb post dug this rotting corpse of a thread back up from the dead!!!

Someone please kill this zombie thread because it just won't DIE!!!

TG girls, I've noticed in my short time here on HA, will say the most bizarre shyt about Black men that I've NEVER heard white, Latin, or Asian GGs ever comment about Black men.

Alyssa, how can your experience represent that of transwomen as a whole!!??

Or, are you saying all the TG women you know personally have a majority of negative experiences with Black men, which is really hard to believe because I suspect the majority of their dates are with non-Black men.

Thanks, you just ruined my weekend Alyssa!! ):

Still luv that body, but you can keep that toxic nonsense inside that pretty head of yours all to yourself.

LATE

[fitz207]

Ok, I'll bite.

Anyone who isn't an idiot can look around the last few pages of HA postings and find dozens of people saying things similar to what you have- in this thread, and many separate threads. And you know what? No one called them on out on it, or went on for 15 pages going back & forward about it.

The posters here need to realize that if they want to be taken credible, they need to be equally harsh to the same type of comments, REGARDLESS who posts them, or what threads they are posted in.

If they think it's wrong, GREAT- say so, just don't be asymmetrical about it. React just as often, just as harsh, and just as passionately whether the poster who says it is white, asian, male, female, black, or anything else for that matter. If you pick & chose who you respond to, or who you passionately respond to- it only makes you look like a hypocrite.

As to my opinion on all this, I'll reiterate some of the things I've said (already) on this forum in the past.

-You can't claim using statistics that blacks oppose gay marriage more than whites. The statics simply don't support that false assumption. Just look at the gay marriage bans of 2004, and you'll see your evidence. The CA 2008 proposition 8 was different, but in the world of statistics that's called A FLUKE. So why do so many people falsely blame blacks for gay marriage bans? It's a conservative fundamentalist tactic of divide & conquer. Get the liberals fighting each other, and its easier to fuck them over.

-I already I think thoroughly called into question this thread's earlier statistics involving prison populations, and student populations. I even dug up the census data that proves those figures are inaccurate. Using statistics that are blatantly incorrect does not get people to agree with you (I learned this earlier this year when I myself was misinformed into thinking that other nations have the same types of guns per capita statistics without the same gun related violence we have, I believe the threads showing I was wrong with those stats are somewhere in the politics section, if anyone is interested).

-Saying how many "black friends you have" does not mean you're a racist. But it doesn't mean you're not a racist either. It's simply not proof in either direction. That's kind of like a guy saying "Oh, I am not sexist because I date girls!" or "I know guy's don't beat their wives because I'm married!" (and I have some tropical ocean front property in canada for sale if you'll buy either of those arguments...).

-Saying one group is more "homophobic" or "transphobic" then the other? Well, there's plenty of blame to go around there. Why is it so many of the groups that start these gay ban initiatives are overwhelmingly WHITE? Why were so many of the stormtroopers lobbying in the streets for proposition8 white? The calculating social conservatives that are usually responsible for oppressive legislation tend to be white evangelicals, baptists, or Mormons (there being obvious exceptions). Where was all that money that was pumped into the Proposition8 initiative coming from? It was coming from Utah, the bible belt, and churches throughout the backwoods of the country. Not so much from inner cities. How many of the oppressive APA policymakers are black? Does anyone here actually know what Bailey, Blanchard, Zucker, or the other transphobic policymakers look like? Does anyone here know how many of those policymakers aren't even American? Anyone remember when HRC threw us under the bus (the 3 times they did so involving federal bills)? There's the whole issue of certain sects of GAYS, independent of race, being transphobic. There are a lot of groups that have shown what they'd "like to do to trans people." To simply say it's "all one" or "all the other" is incorrect, it's intellectually dishonest, and it's helping the people that would like to simply kill us.

And Blanchard is going after the guys here next. They're trying to change the DSM for DSM5 to label anyone who finds a trans person attractive mentally ill. They want to call this new "condition" Gynandromorphophilia. So sure, keep fighting amongst ourselves like there's nothing to worry about. It's only playing into THEIR HANDS. Y'all need to open your eyes, there are truly evil, calculating, organized, oppressive groups out there trying to hurt all of us.
Best post in this thread. You're right, the conservative "movement" is more responsible for banning gay marriage than a small group of black voters. But you don't see anyone starting a thread about the racist, homophobic conservatives that wrote the bill in the 1st place.

[RubyTS]

o lord

[fitz207]

o lord
What's that mean??

[RubyTS]

Alyssa, how can your experience represent that of transwomen as a whole!!??


Do i see a new poll coming on?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Perhaps, you should have elaborated on this further. Say what you really mean.

Ok, I'll bite.

Anyone who isn't an idiot can look around the last few pages of HA postings and find dozens of people saying things similar to what you have- in this thread, and many separate threads. And you know what? No one called them on out on it, or went on for 15 pages going back & forward about it.

The posters here need to realize that if they want to be taken credible, they need to be equally harsh to the same type of comments, REGARDLESS who posts them, or what threads they are posted in.

If they think it's wrong, GREAT- say so, just don't be asymmetrical about it. React just as often, just as harsh, and just as passionately whether the poster who says it is white, asian, male, female, black, or anything else for that matter. If you pick & chose who you respond to, or who you passionately respond to- it only makes you look like a hypocrite.



That's hell of a lot better than just dropping innuendo's. Straight forward and concise. I've noticed that too that some of the one's that bashed me we're a lil gentler on their replies on other girls.. maybe they just have not noticed. And I've said this to someone (who happens to be black off forum)..Why is it that when it comes to black race, when you mention something negative about them they all get defensive about it and are quick to play the race card? Ex. One here talked about - If a girl was providing a service to some race but not blacks..she is a racist! But you will never see Asian men say the same thing and whine about it?

Maybe if you mentioned this a lot sooner they would have stopped and thought about it. That's all!

~Kisses.

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[RubyTS]

o lord
What's that mean??

wasnt meant 4 u sweet cheeks

[SarahG]

Best post in this thread. You're right, the conservative "movement" is more responsible for banning gay marriage than a small group of black voters. But you don't see anyone starting a thread about the racist, homophobic conservatives that wrote the bill in the 1st place.

That's not entirely true, there were a lot of posts back during the election period that talked about how these oppressive, ultra conservative, borderline fascist groups are operating.

But, like the media when they briefly mentioned the UTAH funding of proposition8, or the amount of christian groups that have MOVED so that they could carpetbag in NEW ENGLAND to fight gay marriage in Mass- the truth seems to be frequently and quickly forgotten.

They say that if you don't read the news you're uninformed, but if you read the news you're misinformed.

The media does a piss poor job of reminding us what these organized groups are doing to our country, and with our fast attention spans people frequently forget the truth regardless how often it is actually noted. To use a Orwell reference, the truth of the matter "goes down the memory hole" and we're left knowing more about what happened on last episode of American Idol, then what happened during the last election. That's the only reason why these tricks and tactics work year after year after year.

[RubyTS]

wow there r so many convos going on in this thread lol

[fitz207]

.Why is it that when it comes to black race, when you mention something negative about them they all get defensive about it and are quick to play the race card? Ex. One here talked about - If a girl was providing a service to some race but not blacks..she is a racist! But you will never see Asian men say the same thing and whine about it?
Maybe American history? You also don't see too many Asian men still being discriminated against in America. As a white male i don't complain because i don't have it anywhere near as bad as an average black person. I can drive down the street in a nice car without being pulled over.

Why is this so hard for you to understand Hara?

[SarahG]

Maybe American history? You also don't see too many Asian men still being discriminated against in America.

The Klan in New England used to go after Italians. There was even a time when many stores in New England cities would post NINA signs in their windows (No Irish Need Apply).

Hate based groups, including ultra conservatives, require a target-demographic to focus their energy on. The target may change but the game always stays the same.

Without a group to target, people see these clowns as the idiots they are, and refuse to support them.

[Alyssa87]

ALyssa, you are way too fine to say something so crazy!! - without any context whatsoever.

Black men bother, threaten, and attack TGs MORE than any other group??

You've never had grief from any other ethinicity/race of men??

Are you attempting to imply Black men are more aggressive in their dealings with TGs, which I can understand more so, in general.

Wow, your racial pipe-bomb post dug this rotting corpse of a thread back up from the dead!!!

Someone please kill this zombie thread because it just won't DIE!!!

TG girls, I've noticed in my short time here on HA, will say the most bizarre shyt about Black men that I've NEVER heard white, Latin, or Asian GGs ever comment about Black men.

Alyssa, how can your experience represent that of transwomen as a whole!!??

Or, are you saying all the TG women you know personally have a majority of negative experiences with Black men, which is really hard to believe because I suspect the majority of their dates are with non-Black men.

Thanks, you just ruined my weekend Alyssa!! ):

Still luv that body, but you can keep that toxic nonsense inside that pretty head of yours all to yourself.

LATE

i dont think my experience represents anything but my experiences.
not any group as a whole.
and i was referring mostly to accosting on the street, not aggressiveness in a dating scenario.

understand that i said what i said with a heavy heart. i am a quarter black, and am educated and saddened over the long standing struggle of black americans.
i WISH with so much that black people in particular could be less transphobic and aggressive towards girls like me.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

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[baileyandkc]

How have you fared with Catholics?

[SarahG]

How have you fared with Catholics?

Under the Pope's commentary of the subject, transsexuality is three separate sins at once.

HRT & srs are sterilizing, which goes against their interpretations on reproductive rights.

Gender variance has just this past year been condemned by the church

And lastly, homosexuality is still viewed as a sin by the church, so if a MtF is into guys- they're also considered gay by the church's official doctrines.

[baileyandkc]

well, there are Catholics and then there are Catholics 8)

[SarahG]

well, there are Catholics and then there are Catholics 8)

Which really goes to the heart of everything of this thread.

The black civil rights movement was as successful as it was because of the Unitarian Universalists, Jewish groups, and moderate whites who helped support them (and some of these supporters did die for their cause, i.e. the true story Mississippi Burning is based off of). Progressively minded people can be found in any demographic, and any religion.

There are Whites, and then there are Whites. There are Blacks, and then there are Blacks.

[jjhill]

Damn I was at work and missed all this? A lot of ignorant shit still going on I see. As I said earlier, this is just a verbal lynching of black males like every black thread.

[TsVanessa69]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.
And I agree.
Even in mixed race groups, black men are always the agressors of any shit tha goes down.
Thats just a fact of being a transwoman.and what I expierence sometimes on a daily basis.
No matter who says what to defend their peoples, that fact wont change in MY expierence with black people and being trans over half of my life.
But, I must say that black men also give the best head!!!!
And can ride the shit out of a dick!

[deee757]

Ok, I'll bite.

Anyone who isn't an idiot can look around the last few pages of HA postings and find dozens of people saying things similar to what you have- in this thread, and many separate threads. And you know what? No one called them on out on it, or went on for 15 pages going back & forward about it.

The posters here need to realize that if they want to be taken credible, they need to be equally harsh to the same type of comments, REGARDLESS who posts them, or what threads they are posted in.

If they think it's wrong, GREAT- say so, just don't be asymmetrical about it. React just as often, just as harsh, and just as passionately whether the poster who says it is white, asian, male, female, black, or anything else for that matter. If you pick & chose who you respond to, or who you passionately respond to- it only makes you look like a hypocrite.

As to my opinion on all this, I'll reiterate some of the things I've said (already) on this forum in the past.

-You can't claim using statistics that blacks oppose gay marriage more than whites. The statics simply don't support that false assumption. Just look at the gay marriage bans of 2004, and you'll see your evidence. The CA 2008 proposition 8 was different, but in the world of statistics that's called A FLUKE. So why do so many people falsely blame blacks for gay marriage bans? It's a conservative fundamentalist tactic of divide & conquer. Get the liberals fighting each other, and its easier to fuck them over.

-I already I think thoroughly called into question this thread's earlier statistics involving prison populations, and student populations. I even dug up the census data that proves those figures are inaccurate. Using statistics that are blatantly incorrect does not get people to agree with you (I learned this earlier this year when I myself was misinformed into thinking that other nations have the same types of guns per capita statistics without the same gun related violence we have, I believe the threads showing I was wrong with those stats are somewhere in the politics section, if anyone is interested).

-Saying how many "black friends you have" does not mean you're a racist. But it doesn't mean you're not a racist either. It's simply not proof in either direction. That's kind of like a guy saying "Oh, I am not sexist because I date girls!" or "I know guy's don't beat their wives because I'm married!" (and I have some tropical ocean front property in canada for sale if you'll buy either of those arguments...).

-Saying one group is more "homophobic" or "transphobic" then the other? Well, there's plenty of blame to go around there. Why is it so many of the groups that start these gay ban initiatives are overwhelmingly WHITE? Why were so many of the stormtroopers lobbying in the streets for proposition8 white? The calculating social conservatives that are usually responsible for oppressive legislation tend to be white evangelicals, baptists, or Mormons (there being obvious exceptions). Where was all that money that was pumped into the Proposition8 initiative coming from? It was coming from Utah, the bible belt, and churches throughout the backwoods of the country. Not so much from inner cities. How many of the oppressive APA policymakers are black? Does anyone here actually know what Bailey, Blanchard, Zucker, or the other transphobic policymakers look like? Does anyone here know how many of those policymakers aren't even American? Anyone remember when HRC threw us under the bus (the 3 times they did so involving federal bills)? There's the whole issue of certain sects of GAYS, independent of race, being transphobic. There are a lot of groups that have shown what they'd "like to do to trans people." To simply say it's "all one" or "all the other" is incorrect, it's intellectually dishonest, and it's helping the people that would like to simply kill us.

And Blanchard is going after the guys here next. They're trying to change the DSM for DSM5 to label anyone who finds a trans person attractive mentally ill. They want to call this new "condition" Gynandromorphophilia. So sure, keep fighting amongst ourselves like there's nothing to worry about. It's only playing into THEIR HANDS. Y'all need to open your eyes, there are truly evil, calculating, organized, oppressive groups out there trying to hurt all of us.
Best post in this thread. You're right, the conservative "movement" is more responsible for banning gay marriage than a small group of black voters. But you don't see anyone starting a thread about the racist, homophobic conservatives that wrote the bill in the 1st place.

excellent point, we may chase you down the street with bottles, but we dont make policies

[jjhill]

Here's what I don't get about this thread. Although it was a dumb question to begin with and that dragged on long enough. Somehow it turned into yet another "black men are evil" threads. But what I really don't get is why of all people is Hara under fire, when she clearly said "Yes, black men have done shitty things to me, but I still date them."?


Hara choose to respond to some comments that were made, that were not directly at her. I don't think she was ever "under fire". Its a discussion board, people expressing their opinions and experiences. As for the last comment, should she get a metal for still dating black guys even though she has a negative opinion of them? Is like me saying "i have been cheated by Jews my whole life but i still do business with them"

Like I said on the previous page, I replied only because some up to no good, bored tg (*cough SarahG *cough *cough) linked a thread I was on which another tg retardedly created calling a a judgmental black girl Chewbacca. Like name calling (with racial undertones) in itself was really helpful. Did anyone call her on it? No. A wrong cannot be corrected by another wrong!

On the last part about being cheated by Jews but still doing business with them comment. It's also the same thing, someone had earlier mentioned that "People could be racist and date outside their race". It's like saying, IF I hated asians and dated other races I'm considered a racist? Wrong. I don't get it. Especially when the one who said that openly stated he was black and is dating a white girl! So it's ok for blacks to date outside their race but it's not for other races? Talk about double standards!

:roll:

~Kisses.



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You totally just made no sense right now. Yes people can be racist, and date/fuck outside their race. I'm the black guy that said that and have a white girlfriend.

[fitz207]

There was even a time when many stores in New England cities would post NINA signs in their windows (No Irish Need Apply).
As an Irish American i certainly remember the horrible stories told to me by my grandfather. (RIP)

[baileyandkc]

Yeah, I wonder what Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman would think of this debate!

[RubyTS]

i remember reading about that

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

[jjhill]

There was even a time when many stores in New England cities would post NINA signs in their windows (No Irish Need Apply).
As an Irish American i certainly remember the horrible stories told to me by my grandfather. (RIP)

I'm black Irish, I heard some stories myself. Horrible stories of things done against the black and irish.

[jjhill]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

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Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

[SarahG]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

It's not like that hasn't happened on HA before. http://i42.tinypic.com/2laelmp.gif

There seems to be a thread once or twice a month where someone will say all trans girls are in escorting, or all trans girls are gold diggers, or all trans girls pick guys based on how much they make, etc.

[fitz207]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG
Where did i say transgenders are not discriminated against? Are saying Asians face the same type of discrimination as blacks? No I'm not being bias, Look at the Virginia Tech. shooting. An Asian guy kills 33 people. Did you see any back lash against the Asian community? If this would have been a black guy who would have done this we would still be talking about it. You don't have to be black to see that blacks face more discrimination than Asians. A lot of gay white males can remain in the closet(although they shouldn't have to) and still go further in the business world than a lot of black males.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.

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[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

It's not like that hasn't happened on HA before. http://i42.tinypic.com/2laelmp.gif

There seems to be a thread once or twice a month where someone will say all trans girls are in escorting, or all trans girls are gold diggers, or all trans girls pick guys based on how much they make, etc.

Sarah I hope you didn't take me serious.

The guys that made those remarks are ignorant too. That is a good point tho, cuz the guys who made those threads are stating their opinions based off their experiences. So based off their experiences they are correct just like the girls that made their generalizations based off experiences. (Sarah you know this not meant towards you) As ignorant and dumb as they sound, some of the girls sound the same way.

[Alyssa87]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



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Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

[fitz207]

There was even a time when many stores in New England cities would post NINA signs in their windows (No Irish Need Apply).
As an Irish American i certainly remember the horrible stories told to me by my grandfather. (RIP)

I'm black Irish, I heard some stories myself. Horrible stories of things done against the black and irish.
Exactly. Even though we Irish didn't face the same type of bigotry as blacks. We do have very similar experiences.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

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Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

How is that any different when blacks are watched like a hawk while inside shopping at a retail chain store like Macy's, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth, Neiman Marcus, Target, Walgreens etc.? :roll:

~Kisses.

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[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

Alyssa a lot of girls came on here saying that all black men are this, do this, or that. Still, even if a person was discriminated by 100 blacks, that doesn't represent the whole race.

[jjhill]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG


Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

How is that any different when blacks are watched like a hawk while inside shopping at a retail chain store like Macy's, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth, Neiman Marcus, Target, Walgreens etc.? :roll:

~Kisses.

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The difference is she was shot in the back of the head. Then lied upon, that's the difference.

[Alyssa87]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

Alyssa a lot of girls came on here saying that all black men are this, do this, or that. Still, even if a person was discriminated by 100 blacks, that doesn't represent the whole race.

no it certainly does not.

however, if her experiences and opinion are solicited, should she then be beraded for obliging?

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

Alyssa a lot of girls came on here saying that all black men are this, do this, or that. Still, even if a person was discriminated by 100 blacks, that doesn't represent the whole race.

no it certainly does not.

however, if her experiences and opinion are solicited, should she then be beraded for obliging?


She shouldn't, but generalizing a whole race based off experiences is blatant ignorance.

[Alyssa87]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

Alyssa a lot of girls came on here saying that all black men are this, do this, or that. Still, even if a person was discriminated by 100 blacks, that doesn't represent the whole race.

no it certainly does not.

however, if her experiences and opinion are solicited, should she then be beraded for obliging?


She shouldn't, but generalizing a whole race based off experiences is blatant ignorance.

Right. So if you see it again- send me the link in a PM, and i'll knee the ho in her kidney.

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?


i think we're talking about more than 2 or 3 at one point in one girls life.

with all due respect.. i'm afraid youre a bit blinded by your defensivness.

this impression seems to be widespread and regularly reinforced to many transwomen.

Alyssa a lot of girls came on here saying that all black men are this, do this, or that. Still, even if a person was discriminated by 100 blacks, that doesn't represent the whole race.

no it certainly does not.

however, if her experiences and opinion are solicited, should she then be beraded for obliging?


She shouldn't, but generalizing a whole race based off experiences is blatant ignorance.

Right. So if you see it again- send me the link in a PM, and i'll knee the ho in her kidney.

:D

[jjhill]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.
And I agree.
Even in mixed race groups, black men are always the agressors of any shit tha goes down.
Thats just a fact of being a transwoman.and what I expierence sometimes on a daily basis.
No matter who says what to defend their peoples, that fact wont change in MY expierence with black people and being trans over half of my life.
But, I must say that black men also give the best head!!!!
And can ride the shit out of a dick!

always? right...........Once again a few experiences getting put off as factual information.

[deee757]

Ok imma switch sides for one second. Be honest everyone, even the whites........ When you are working with a crazy white person on a job, how many of you are thinking "i hope this idiot doesent go postal on us" I have never had that thought about any other race. This is an example of me making generalizations based race and past experiences. Even though im aware of it, if a white person starts acting out at work tommorrow, imma be thinking the same thing

[TsVanessa69]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.
And I agree.
Even in mixed race groups, black men are always the agressors of any shit tha goes down.
Thats just a fact of being a transwoman.and what I expierence sometimes on a daily basis.
No matter who says what to defend their peoples, that fact wont change in MY expierence with black people and being trans over half of my life.
But, I must say that black men also give the best head!!!!
And can ride the shit out of a dick!

always? right...........Once again a few experiences getting put off as factual information.
YES ALWAYS! As I said and will say again I am ONLY speaking on incidents that happen to ME. I'm not speaking on other girls expierences, or a whole race.
Just what I expierence in MY LIFE .
If you have a problem beleiving it, follow me to see for yourself!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

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Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

How is that any different when blacks are watched like a hawk while inside shopping at a retail chain store like Macy's, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth, Neiman Marcus, Target, Walgreens etc.? :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

The difference is she was shot in the back of the head. Then lied upon, that's the difference.

Was I in Cali when it happened? I don't recall. I was replying about your comment "Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store." I've experienced that myself many times. So don;t take it to heart and interpret that as racism because ajority of Asians are jut that - Paranoid of losing any of their investments! lol

~Kisses.

HTG

[jjhill]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG


Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

How is that any different when blacks are watched like a hawk while inside shopping at a retail chain store like Macy's, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth, Neiman Marcus, Target, Walgreens etc.? :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

The difference is she was shot in the back of the head. Then lied upon, that's the difference.

Was I in Cali when it happened? I don't recall. I was replying about your comment "Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store." I've experienced that myself many times. So don;t take it to heart and interpret that as racism because ajority of Asians are jut that - Paranoid of losing any of their investments! lol

~Kisses.

HTG

$2.00 juice. Big investment. Your right

[jjhill]

This is all very interesting.

just to back up Ruby and the girls who agreed with her,
IN MY EXPERIENCE Black people certainly bother, threaten, and attack transwomen more than any other race.

Without a doubt.
And I agree.
Even in mixed race groups, black men are always the agressors of any shit tha goes down.
Thats just a fact of being a transwoman.and what I expierence sometimes on a daily basis.
No matter who says what to defend their peoples, that fact wont change in MY expierence with black people and being trans over half of my life.
But, I must say that black men also give the best head!!!!
And can ride the shit out of a dick!

always? right...........Once again a few experiences getting put off as factual information.
YES ALWAYS! As I said and will say again I am ONLY speaking on incidents that happen to ME. I'm not speaking on other girls expierences, or a whole race.
Just what I expierence in MY LIFE .
If you have a problem beleiving it, follow me to see for yourself!

Yea cuz Puerto Ricans are such angels. Ok my experience with puerto ricans.. All puerto rican guys wear make up and think they're pretty boys. All puerto ricans think they're better then blacks. Puerto Ricans consider themselves higher then blacks unless they're in the rap game so they can use the word "nigga" All Puerto Ricans are pedophiles like the ones I see in NYC talking to high schoolers. All Puerto Ricans think women are lesbians if they don't like them. Let me see if I can come up with some more ignorant thoughts. Take a walk with me in the Bronx and you will see this. I can take you to my part of the woods in the Chi and you will see you won't be discriminated against

[Suckalot1]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your
pathetic.

Yo dumb ass try reading some of the prior pages. 80 percent of my friends are white (cuz of college) and my gf of 4 years is white. Go back to the threads where dicks are being shown on every page. I tell people the same thing you just told me. And oh yea dumb ass, show me a postcard of a white woman getting lynched for whistling at black men.

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

and your math is terrible

[Alyssa87]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

i think you should have aimed that comment at Hara.
JJhill was actually doing what u just did to him.
He tried to bring Hara down a peg for illustrating the hard times of her race in the past (possibly sugesting 'superior' hardship).

but i know that some people are eager to be hostile towards black americans and their symapthizers who recognize the lingering social and subconscious effects of slavery.

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

also dumb ass if you would read prior pages I also stated that every race has faced racism. Your new name is dumb ass instead of suckalot. I'm changing your name like what happened to the Africans that came over on the slave ships.

[RubyTS]

and yoshi didn't bring the black out lol j/k PWEEEEESE dont jump me lol

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.


also dumb ass. while my grandfather was a marine, he was accused of raping a white woman. Which his seargent (which was white) defended him saying "he didn't rape that woman, he was on guard duty with me all night" I have faced a ton of racism and discrimination, and my family has too.

[jjhill]

and yoshi didn't bring the black out lol j/k PWEEEEESE dont jump me lol

your good rubes lol

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

Who you think sold the Africans into slavery? The holocaust was very terrible, but it didn't even last for half of a century. Should I break that down for you mathematically?

[Suckalot1]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.

[jjhill]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.

Dumb Ass! Not only is your math terrible, you don't read.

[Suckalot1]

wow jjhill, what terrible racism. You mean to tell me a white guy defended your black father??? HOW RACIST!!! that pisses me off man...

[jjhill]

wow jjhill, what terrible racism. You mean to tell me a white guy defended your black father??? HOW RACIST!!! that pisses me off man...

Dumb Ass I said grandfather! Your dumb for real, now I feel bad for calling you dumb ass.

[jjhill]

wow jjhill, what terrible racism. You mean to tell me a white guy defended your black father??? HOW RACIST!!! that pisses me off man...

What was racist is, if that white man wasn't there. I wouldn't be here. I feel like I'm trying to feed a baby steak here with you man.

[Suckalot1]

oh im sorry, i should've known it wasn't your father. Where's your daddy now? I guess we'll blame whites because of his irresponsibility. Sounds easy, just the way you like it. Eh?

[jjhill]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.

I got something else for you too dude. The people that lived across the street from my family had the same last name as us. Guess what they're white. My DAD jokes that possibly they ancestors could of enslaved my ancestors. That didn't stop us from "breaking bread" with them.

[Alyssa87]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.


oh i'm over it.
i just am educated.
i had a very different view about black americans before i started college.

i felt a lot like you do now.
'slavery is over, get over it'

but after a few semesters and social science courses i came to realize how internalized racism works. how much of what we view as apparent and innate truly is planned and enforced.

but i'm no professor, so i dont expect to be able to put it the way it was explained to me.

just be assured, i'm over it! i just see things from a broader perspective.

[jjhill]

oh im sorry, i should've known it wasn't your father. Where's your daddy now? I guess we'll blame whites because of his irresponsibility. Sounds easy, just the way you like it. Eh?

Sorry I don't live with my dad, I'm a grown ass man. Make no mistake. I'm an educated black man from the streets. I'll still whoop yo ass. This is what you wanted right? I lived with both of my parents. Both of my parents made more then 100 g's a piece. I'm fortunate to come from a bless family. The generation of men my dad age dropped the ball. Why mostly cuz crack? Who fault is that not the white men, but a white man

[jjhill]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

Go read a book dumb ass

[jjhill]

wow jjhill, what terrible racism. You mean to tell me a white guy defended your black father??? HOW RACIST!!! that pisses me off man...

IDK what race you are, but if someone want to hide something from YOU they can put it in a book.

[jjhill]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.


Also dumb ass, the President is black. Let him go down to the deep south without his body guards and lets see if they receive him with open arms.

[jjhill]

Sorry for all the posts, but I'm having fun with this guy. Anyone who goes by suckalot shouldn't be taking serious.

[Suckalot1]

Your fucking dumb, just keep blaming it all on the white man you dumb piece of trash. Funny thing is you couldn't survive in the places I've been, whoop my ass? Just stfu your a dumb piece of shit seriously. The same last name and you thought they might be slave owners? Wow your fucking stupid, I'm really glad that didn't turn you against them and stop you from "breaking bread with them", you must not be racist!

You can tell by the things you say your racist, your bitter about things that who knows why? Pulling in over 100k? You can start by THANKING the white man for that.

your a moron kid.

[Suckalot1]

Oh such a bright scholar you must be......

[jjhill]

Your fucking dumb, just keep blaming it all on the white man you dumb piece of trash. Funny thing is you couldn't survive in the places I've been, whoop my ass? Just stfu your a dumb piece of shit seriously. The same last name and you thought they might be slave owners? Wow your fucking stupid, I'm really glad that didn't turn you against them and stop you from "breaking bread with them", you must not be racist!

You can tell by the things you say your racist, your bitter about things that who knows why? Pulling in over 100k? You can start by THANKING the white man for that.

your a moron kid.


Lmfao, wow dude your really dumb. I'm bout to pick you apart on this one too. I haven't blamed the white men for nothing. I'm mixed with Irish, African, and Native American blood. Triple threat huh? I guarantee you that I could survive in the places you been. Slaves was usually given the same name as their owners. Oh yea, I'm definitely racist your white. I mean right

Once again. Your a dumb ass

[jjhill]

Oh such a bright scholar you must be......

I didn't say I'm a scholar. I do think I'm talking with an 8th grader here tho.

[Suckalot1]

yea and how common is the last name you dumb shit?? What is it Hill???? WOWWW yea his grandfather probably owned all of the black hills they were his slaves. Not to mention his grandfather probably wouldn't even have been alive during slavery. Wow your a dumb fuck. Triple threat? Nah just an ugly, bitter mutt.

[jjhill]

The President is black Alyssa and everyone. Any blacks who're worried about the past and slavery, need to wake the hell up and realize the world moves forward. Unless if they just want the world to repeat itself. So you know no one would have to be hostile towards "sympathizers", if they would just get over it like all other races have.

After all the "sympathizers" are the ones usually hostile towards whites. Although they don't realize half of the whites here now weren't here in the US during slavery.

GET OVER IT. The world moves forward, the president is black. Move on.

I got something else for you too dude. The people that lived across the street from my family had the same last name as us. Guess what they're white. My DAD jokes that possibly they ancestors could of enslaved my ancestors. That didn't stop us from "breaking bread" with them.

Homeboy here is clearly overlooking words

[jjhill]

yea and how common is the last name you dumb shit?? What is it Hill???? WOWWW yea his grandfather probably owned all of the black hills they were his slaves. Not to mention his grandfather probably wouldn't even have been alive during slavery. Wow your a dumb fuck. Triple threat? Nah just an ugly, bitter mutt.


Lmfao, yo loser. My last name is not Hill and I don't have a common last name at all. I'm not a johnson, smith, William. Also show me where I said my grandfather was alive during slavery.

[jjhill]

yea and how common is the last name you dumb shit?? What is it Hill???? WOWWW yea his grandfather probably owned all of the black hills they were his slaves. Not to mention his grandfather probably wouldn't even have been alive during slavery. Wow your a dumb fuck. Triple threat? Nah just an ugly, bitter mutt.


Now Imma get ignorant. Ugly? I bet you I can fuck your wife and your daughters if they're over 18.

[Suckalot1]

Alright idiot (i'm not your homeboy), I'm not inspecting your shit word for word because it's such ignorant nonsense. Just for real stop talking and get over slavery for real man. Slavery was good for the black people, you would've never had the opportunities that you do today. Stop being bitter and be greatful.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Asian being discriminated is still present..Tg's being discriminated and killed for being tg's - In the 10 o'clock news. And however subtle these may be, It's there! The problem is because you're NOT a transgender nor are you Asian so you don't feel/think it exist. You could be passionate and understandings of what blacks have gone through all the while being ignorant of the plights of transgenders and or Asians or other minority groups. Way to go showing your biases. :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG


Was you in cali when Latasha Harlins was shot? Show me proof of the exact opposite happening. Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store............I'm not being serious by the way if you didn't catch that

How is that any different when blacks are watched like a hawk while inside shopping at a retail chain store like Macy's, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth, Neiman Marcus, Target, Walgreens etc.? :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

The difference is she was shot in the back of the head. Then lied upon, that's the difference.

Was I in Cali when it happened? I don't recall. I was replying about your comment "Every Asian person think black people are gonna steal out their little store." I've experienced that myself many times. So don;t take it to heart and interpret that as racism because ajority of Asians are jut that - Paranoid of losing any of their investments! lol

~Kisses.

HTG

$2.00 juice. Big investment. Your right

It might have been a $2.00 juice but that's besides the point. Being parth Chinese I know for a fact that when we had stores we (my parents kids) could NOT get anything we want inside our store without paying for it ourselves! That's how Chinese are - Business is business and family has nothing to do with it! Why do you think there were plenty Asian - Chinese business owners? :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[Suckalot1]

Dumb piece of trash you couldn't fuck anything without paying.

[jjhill]

Alright idiot (i'm not your homeboy), I'm not inspecting your shit word for word because it's such ignorant nonsense. Just for real stop talking and get over slavery for real man. Slavery was good for the black people, you would've never had the opportunities that you do today. Stop being bitter and be greatful.


lmfao, ok I'll go back to calling you dumbass. You should read because your looking really stupid right now. Have I really been crying about slavery? Majority of the blood in me by the way is not African. But by society standards I am African American.

[jjhill]

Dumb piece of trash you couldn't fuck anything without paying.

Never paid for SEX a day in my life. I've been in a monogamous relationship since I was 18. That will change when me and all my black friends gangbang your wife and daughters and put it on xtube. I bet you paid for all the ass you ever got.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Imma start hating/holding generalizations against all transgendered people cuz of the two or three that pissed me off when I was 18. Sounds stupid right?

Beginning in 1931 or 1932 and continuing throughout the duration of the Asian/Pacific wars, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Although historians often disagree about the number of "comfort women," the most widely used figure is estimated at 200,000.2 The majority (approximately 80%) came from Korea, then a Japanese colony, and another large percentage came from Japanese-occupied China. Others were taken from, among other countries, the Philippines, Burma, and Indonesia.

Given that fact is now part of our history, you will never see a single Filipino go defensive nor ballistic on any Japanese nationals they come across with!

~Kisses.



HTG


Do you want a black history lesson regarding the shit that blacks have faced for hundreds of years?

that blacks have face for hundreds of years??? What have they faced for hundreds of years that other races haven't? NOTHING. Have you ever heard of the jews, Nazis, and the Holocaust?? Stop feeling sorry for yourself because in past generations they were discriminated against, all races were discrimanated againg. Your a black man and your crying about stuff that happened over 100 years ago and didn't happen to anyone you knew?

WOWW, woman of all races have went through more than blacks have, so your a black man sobbing about this?? THATS PATHETIC!! your pathetic.

i think you should have aimed that comment at Hara.
JJhill was actually doing what u just did to him.
He tried to bring Hara down a peg for illustrating the hard times of her race in the past (possibly sugesting 'superior' hardship).

but i know that some people are eager to be hostile towards black americans and their symapthizers who recognize the lingering social and subconscious effects of slavery.

And why should be that aimed at me? I just gave an example and an example that filipino's aren't SCARED for life because of it unlike blacks!

I was NOT trying to establish that The Philippines and its people suffered more than blacks. lets make that CLEAR! You're interpretation of what I was getting at was OFF!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[Suckalot1]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.

[jjhill]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.

Not the first time I've been called that, and sure won't be the last. lol, your a pathetic joke

[jjhill]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.

By society standards your wife and daughters are n**** lovers. I must be hitting home, you're getting furious. Your not making any logical sense right now. Aren't you the guy who just said our president is black?

[Alyssa87]

And why should be that aimed at me? I just gave an example and an example that filipino's aren't SCARED for life because of it unlike blacks!

I was NOT trying to establish that The Philippines and its people suffered more than blacks. lets make that CLEAR! You're interpretation of what I was getting at was OFF!

:roll:

~Kisses.

HTG
try to see the bigger picture hara.
it wasnt about you.

i wasnt saying that jjhill was right in his response to what you have written.
nor was i hinting that suckalot would have been correct in any criticism towards your racial group/s.

the point i was making was that in suckalot's haste to criticize blacks, he missed that the very reply he was replying to was only a response and not a rant.
which is what he wanted to come down on.

[jjhill]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.

Imma reach 5 star status with this boy here. :lol:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

@Alyssa87

You mentioned suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I was trying to illustrate, girl.

So it seems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal? Why must this turn into a pissing contest on who's sufferred the most?

~Kisses.

HTG

[Alyssa87]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

[jjhill]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

you know your boy lol I told you when ever your ready I'll kick my gf to the curb lmfao j/p j/p

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

[deee757]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.

And there it is, I knew some would come out and say it, lol. Everybody who wants to say it now, call us niggers, i know yall aredying to. I LOVE THIS THREAD

[Alyssa87]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.

[jjhill]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.

my girl got excellent communication skills :wink: ok i'll stop lol

[Jericho]

Why must this turn into a pissing contest on who's sufferred the most?

That one's easy, that'd be the jews.
They've carried the shitty end of slavery, persecution and genocide for the last two thousand years, or so.

But, you can't compare hurts.
When it's happening to you, *yours* is the worst.

[Nikka]

nice poll :)

[Alyssa87]

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.

my girl got excellent communication skills :wink: ok i'll stop lol

if you must...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Yeah I could agree to a point (I might not be as exceptional speaker/typer as you but w/e). It's also happened to you, Vannessa and Ruby. 'Some' people try interpreting and giving other meanings to what you guys have said (when speaking about your own experiences), right?

~Kisses.

HTG

[Alyssa87]

Yeah I could agree to a point (I might not be as exceptional speaker/typer as you but w/e). It's also happened to you, Vannessa and Ruby. 'Some' people try interpreting and giving other meanings to what you guys have said (when speaking about your own experiences), right?

~Kisses.

HTG

this is true (especially the first statement in parenthesis :p)

it happened to me in this very thread. Giovanni_Hotel took when i said and twisted it.
But i was not bothered. Either i have to somehow make my point clearer, or accept that he is impervious to reason, and back away without any ruckus.

as the girls say im...

"UNBOTHERED"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN79AwJzuHo

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

:lol: Unbothered yet still posting..And isn't that an oxymoron.. SMH

~Kisses.

HTG

[Alyssa87]

:lol: Unbothered yet still posting..An oxymoron. SMH

~Kisses.

HTG

Oxymorons refer only to two opposing words grouped together to make a phrase.
Not two opposing ideas or actions.

swing and miss champ.

[giovanni_hotel]

So...

Are White men more willing to bottom than Black men, yes or no?

Or, does it depend more on the girl involved and what a particular guy is into?

I've been posting in this thread and forgot what the friggin original question was about, LOL.


It's funny because before this thread started, I would never have considered Alyssa, Vannesa, Ruby, or Hara as having prejudiced or bigoted views towards Black men in the least.

I still don't, ( and I'd bet I'm probably right on that point) , but it's weird how this thread has morphed and twisted into knots over the past dozens of pages what some of these ladies appear to think privately about Black men and race!!

Bottom line, I think the intersection of escorting and being a transgendered woman guarantees you will have experiences meeting people who fall far short of the best that humanity has to offer.

As a Black man, for those TGs who feel they hold no malice or bigotry in their hearts, I hope that you would be open to the possibility that in the future you will encounter Black men, Black people, who don't fit the many stereotypes of your general, negative experiences.

That said, some of you need to really change where you socialize and hang out, ( if possible), and tighten up that screening process for men you may potentially date.

[Alyssa87]

So...

Are White men more willing to bottom than Black men, yes or no?

Or, does it depend more on the girl involved and what a particular guy is into?

I've been posting in this thread and forgot what the friggin original question was about, LOL.


It's funny because before this thread started, I would never have considered Alyssa, Vannesa, Ruby, or Hara as having prejudiced or bigoted views towards Black men in the least.

I still don't, ( and I'd bet I'm probably right on that point) , but it's weird how this thread has morphed and twisted into knots over the past dozens of pages what some of these ladies appear to think privately about Black men and race!!

Bottom line, I think the intersection of escorting and being a transgendered woman guarantees you will have experiences meeting people who fall far short of the best that humanity has to offer.

As a Black man, for those TGs who feel they hold no malice or bigotry in their hearts, I hope that you would be open to the possibility that in the future you will encounter Black men, Black people, who don't fit the many stereotypes of your general, negative experiences.

That said, some of you need to really change where you socialize and hang out, ( if possible), and tighten up that screening process for men you may potentially date.

great post!

couple points [bolded] i wanted to touch on (just for fun)

i do not have prejudiced views of black people.
the majority of angry verbal/physical assaults to myself andgirls i know based on gender have been my black people.
thats not a view at all, its an observation.

my ideas about race that have just been revealed to you are and were in no way private. i dont deem them bad or shameful. i just havent had the opprotunity to share them until now- so thanks.

i'm quite 'pro-black' in fact-
look through this thread a bit for my posts, i think youll catch my drift.

(even though i said this before)
i was not referring to the treatment of transwomen by men they date, but by passersby in the street and in life situations.

i have ZERO interactions with black men in an escorting setting because i dont do it. i hope you were referring only to the other 2 girls you mentioned (forgetting to differentiate) , and not assuming that about me without knowing.

infact. the ONLY man i have been in love with is a black man.
i havent been with him in over a year, and i still am not over him.

[ozma]

:lol: Unbothered yet still posting..An oxymoron. SMH

~Kisses.

HTG

Oxymorons refer only to two opposing words grouped together to make a phrase.
Not two opposing ideas or actions.

swing and miss champ.

Ouch. :lol: :lol:

[jjhill]

:lol: Unbothered yet still posting..An oxymoron. SMH

~Kisses.

HTG

Oxymorons refer only to two opposing words grouped together to make a phrase.
Not two opposing ideas or actions.

swing and miss champ.


:lol: that's my girl lol

[deee757]

So...

Are White men more willing to bottom than Black men, yes or no?

Or, does it depend more on the girl involved and what a particular guy is into?

I've been posting in this thread and forgot what the friggin original question was about, LOL.


It's funny because before this thread started, I would never have considered Alyssa, Vannesa, Ruby, or Hara as having prejudiced or bigoted views towards Black men in the least.

I still don't, ( and I'd bet I'm probably right on that point) , but it's weird how this thread has morphed and twisted into knots over the past dozens of pages what some of these ladies appear to think privately about Black men and race!!

Bottom line, I think the intersection of escorting and being a transgendered woman guarantees you will have experiences meeting people who fall far short of the best that humanity has to offer.

As a Black man, for those TGs who feel they hold no malice or bigotry in their hearts, I hope that you would be open to the possibility that in the future you will encounter Black men, Black people, who don't fit the many stereotypes of your general, negative experiences.

That said, some of you need to really change where you socialize and hang out, ( if possible), and tighten up that screening process for men you may potentially date.

great post!

couple points [bolded] i wanted to touch on (just for fun)

i do not have prejudiced views of black people.
the majority of angry verbal/physical assaults to myself andgirls i know based on gender have been my black people.
thats not a view at all, its an observation.

my ideas about race that have just been revealed to you are and were in no way private. i dont deem them bad or shameful. i just havent had the opprotunity to share them until now- so thanks.

i'm quite 'pro-black' in fact-
look through this thread a bit for my posts, i think youll catch my drift.

(even though i said this before)
i was not referring to the treatment of transwomen by men they date, but by passersby in the street and in life situations.

i have ZERO interactions with black men in an escorting setting because i dont do it. i hope you were referring only to the other 2 girls you mentioned (forgetting to differentiate) , and not assuming that about me without knowing.

infact. the ONLY man i have been in love with is a black man.
i havent been with him in over a year, and i still am not over him.


Dont forget you are 1/4 black, which makes you 1/4 homophobic and bottle chaser

[Alyssa87]

lol.
thankfully thats not always a given.

[deee757]

lol.
thankfully thats not always a given.
im just messing I think we have both been able to express our opinions with out name calling, i did call ruby george wallace with hormones and i think that was inappropriate, so i apologize to the group for that. I like having a plat forum to express our opinions. once again, I love this thread

[jjhill]

lol.
thankfully thats not always a given.

I can only imagine both of us in Dr. Cornell West class, you would just have to help me keep my cool, lol. Naw it would be great.

[giovanni_hotel]

Gotcha, Alyssa, on my GENERALIZING(!!) about TGs who escort.

I wasn't judging those who do, but everyone at least deserves the benefit of the doubt without bringing false assumptions to the table.

[blacktgirls]

Is it just my imagination but is there a real difference between fucking the average black man and the average white man.

It seems that a white man is much more willing to bottom than a black man. I am totally insane or am I right?google black pride and you'll have your answer. it's called on the the down low.

[Suckalot1]

I wonder why America has been a superpower for all these years, but 1/3 of Africa lives in poverty and isn't industrialized. I guess the whites have to do it all....if that means bottom also.

[arnie666]

It's odd, where I live the young British Blacks are in fact on average more well behaved than I would say the whites. I was going to put money on who would put dog shit through a trannies letterbox or beat fuck out of her it would be some chavs who are probably white. When I was at school my best friend was a Black guy from nigeria and his Mum was strict as anything. Would literally murder him if he messed about slightly. My mums a teacher and she always sad the easiest parents to deal with were Blacks, as they always had huge respect for her as a teacher and didn't give the mouth other parents gave.

But I was working with a Yank who told me the Blacks in the states are very different so I dunno.He told me if I walked in certain neighbourhoods I could be shot for being white so maybe they are different. He was surprised how people just muck in round here and colour is just that a colour.

[arnie666]

Maybe American history? You also don't see too many Asian men still being discriminated against in America.

The Klan in New England used to go after Italians. There was even a time when many stores in New England cities would post NINA signs in their windows (No Irish Need Apply).

Hate based groups, including ultra conservatives, require a target-demographic to focus their energy on. The target may change but the game always stays the same.

Without a group to target, people see these clowns as the idiots they are, and refuse to support them.

You make an excellent point.The British National Party are seeing an increase in support in the UK. How have they done this?, they changed their hate emphasis to an extent from skin colour to Islam.If you look at their policies closely there is still a racist undercurrent but the they camoflage it well and have an intelligent leader,cambridge educated Nick Griffin. They do also have Jewish members now and members of the sikh community and no longer deny the holocaust (at least thats the official line) and they are recognise the state of Israel.

Because they have changed their target to a more acceptable one (some UK Muslims do not do themselves any favours and let down their communities), e'g protesting homcoming soldiers, making demands on being allowed their own laws to be superior to our own and many say they are muslim first then British. This helps the BNP tremendously. And when you have a very unpopular ,corrupt fascist government (which the current new labour party is) , poor economic climate, immigration rules which make us a very popular destination for other countries scum and scroungers you can see why many people who normally wouldn't support the BNP are.Britain is now in a similar state to the Weimar republic IE pre Hitler. They are actually not right wing but a socialist party with added racist and not nice people but they are doing very well and will maybe become a strong political force.

[blckhaze]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.


If i didnt make a typo youd see that i said I used to included myself in the group looking back. Y? I didnt know better. So not only have i seen it, Ive done it before. But i grew up, learned better, and here i am.
Thats y Im so shocked to see so many both black guys refuting this, and so many non black guys goin apeshit in this thread. They act like they werent kids or immature. That this thread is 40+ pages for the wrong reasons is quite funny, in a sad way.

[fitz207]

what a disgrace. By societies standards, your a n*****.
And by societies standards you're a Moron.

[fitz207]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.


If i didnt make a typo youd see that i said I used to included myself in the group looking back. Y? I didnt know better. So not only have i seen it, Ive done it before. But i grew up, learned better, and here i am.
Thats y Im so shocked to see so many both black guys refuting this, and so many non black guys goin apeshit in this thread. They act like they werent kids or immature. That this thread is 40+ pages for the wrong reasons is quite funny, in a sad way.

Who's going "apeshit"? For the most part it was pretty civil. The only person on this thread who went "apeshit" was suckalot, he got pissed and used the N-word.

[deee757]

Once again, I LOVE THIS THREAD

[fitz207]

Once again, I LOVE THIS THREAD
I do too. I thinks it's good to talk about these things. Instead of ignoring them.

[TsVanessa69]

Lets see:
I used to eb one of the homophobes due to my upbringing
Grew up in a predominately black area of NYC, a large city with large black community
Traveled other cities where black cultures are strong
Attended an HBCU (historically black college or University)

I think that covers about a good ten thousand plus black people.
Ive seen what the girl have seen first hand as a friend or BF. Ive seen the totally loud group of dumb black men get loud and let all of time square know its a ts or "a man", or an old drunk man call a girl "Mr.".
Have i seen white men do it? of course. But nine times outta ten, they just look, and move on and talk about it later. Ive had a black guy follow a friend of mine from harlem to W4th street screaming "yo thats a man. He got a dick yo" on the subway.
Im no tgonna even start on the women buz they do it on anothe level of eggin on and cunning.

So again. I stand by my statement.
So you do these things too? Or are different than those "people". You're also stereotyping yourself with your comments.


If i didnt make a typo youd see that i said I used to included myself in the group looking back. Y? I didnt know better. So not only have i seen it, Ive done it before. But i grew up, learned better, and here i am.
Thats y Im so shocked to see so many both black guys refuting this, and so many non black guys goin apeshit in this thread. They act like they werent kids or immature. That this thread is 40+ pages for the wrong reasons is quite funny, in a sad way.
However what I have to say to you is at least you admit to what you did, but as you said, you grew up, learned better and are here active in a TG forum. Thats says alot about your character. Now how many guys call us faggots still, yet want head from us or suck or dicks. Go figure!

[TsVanessa69]

So...

Are White men more willing to bottom than Black men, yes or no?

Or, does it depend more on the girl involved and what a particular guy is into?

I've been posting in this thread and forgot what the friggin original question was about, LOL.


It's funny because before this thread started, I would never have considered Alyssa, Vannesa, Ruby, or Hara as having prejudiced or bigoted views towards Black men in the least.

I still don't, ( and I'd bet I'm probably right on that point) , but it's weird how this thread has morphed and twisted into knots over the past dozens of pages what some of these ladies appear to think privately about Black men and race!!

Bottom line, I think the intersection of escorting and being a transgendered woman guarantees you will have experiences meeting people who fall far short of the best that humanity has to offer.

As a Black man, for those TGs who feel they hold no malice or bigotry in their hearts, I hope that you would be open to the possibility that in the future you will encounter Black men, Black people, who don't fit the many stereotypes of your general, negative experiences.

That said, some of you need to really change where you socialize and hang out, ( if possible), and tighten up that screening process for men you may potentially date.
I dont have bigoted views about blacks. I was only speaking on what MY expierence with blacks has been. Plain and simple. Do I shut black people out of my life because of the way MOST of them treat me? Hell no. because there are good in bad in ALL races. Its just sad to me how SOME black people treat me just for how I look, when in real talk, thats how they were treated and in some cases still are treated. But I have black clients who treat me well on both a client level and a friend level. I have black trade that treat me like a queen. And my 2 best and only REAL friends are black, and anybody and everybody who knows me knows race is not an issue with me. I was just sharing MY expierences with how I am treated by alot of black people. Wether they are in all black groups, or mixed race groups. Before you dare condem me for speaking a truth you dont want to accept because its not what you want to hear, grow up Puerto Rican and transgendered and then see where I am coming from. But I have to say my expierences made me a stronger person and I'm sorry I'm not the kind of girl who sugar coats shit , I live with this every day of my life so wether you like what I'm saying or not, it doesnt change the facts that thats REALITY in this world.

[TsVanessa69]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.
Loca! Que inteligente!!!

[bte]

I'm black and I have witnessed first hand black guys calling out a TS friend of mine on her gender. We were walking in a parking lot about to go into a store and this car full of black people made it their business to scream out "That's a man, you a faggot mayne." My friend of course looked sad and embarassed. I am not saying all black people do this, but the ignorant muthafukas do this act no matter what race that person is. Most of the time people will just stare and comment amongst themselves. But there is always one fuck or two fucks that will make it their business to out a TS.

[jjhill]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.
Loca! Que inteligente!!!

ella es muy inteligente!!

[Alyssa87]

You mentioned 'suggesting 'superior' hardship. Now where the heck are you getting that at? That was your assumption and you 'thought' that when for a fact it was not what I wastrying to illustrate, girl.

So it sems like every race has had it's hardships. Why must be always compare which groups have suffered most? Isn't suffering, oppression etc universal?

~Kisses.

HTG


i said possibly. read! because i thought jjhill might have reacted the way he did because that may have been his impression.

i could care less.

Therein lies the problem. When someone spoke about their experience/s others interpret them the way they see fit! That's their impression of what someone has said but not really what that poster even meant!

~Kisses.

HTG

thats the nature of perception.

parties on the receiving end are better, and more easily informed of the speaker's intent if said speaker has exceptional communication skills.

maybe yours need work.
Loca! Que inteligente!!!

ya tu sabe


ella es muy inteligente!!

8)

[TsVanessa69]

I'm black and I have witnessed first hand black guys calling out a TS friend of mine on her gender. We were walking in a parking lot about to go into a store and this car full of black people made it their business to scream out "That's a man, you a faggot mayne." My friend of course looked sad and embarassed. I am not saying all black people do this, but the ignorant muthafukas do this act no matter what race that person is. Most of the time people will just stare and comment amongst themselves. But there is always one fuck or two fucks that will make it their business to out a TS.
You know it used to bother me, now it has become a joke of sorts. I always look better than the folls who call it, male or female. I see it more as I told one black female, If I am a man, then you should be ashamed of yourself to be a woman. I just focused on making a transition to look how I felt, and with the money having a dick makes, and the luxuries I treat myself to because of that, then oh well. Thats why I focus on how I look and making money. In the end, no matter how good you look, somebody is going to hate.

[RubyTS]

this thread is a scandal. its like a baby tree that just keeps growing new braches

[LTR_Seeker]

this thread is a scandal. its like a baby tree that just keeps growing new braches cause every one a dramam king or queen to leaveit alone lol

[asianphoenixx]

omg..it's an interesting thread....

All black men who like me are soooo masculine..and they love to top.
Hemm....but i know some black femmie too ha..ha...

But in general...probably black men have more tendency to be a top.
Not so sure 100% though..
:roll:

[anonymoussonny]

She is right... Brothas normally TOP!!!

I know I only TOP!!!

[T-girl hound]

this sucks.

Alyssa, Vanessa, and Ruby doesnt even like black men. I already knew about many of the white ts on here not liking black men but not them. Damn i wanted to get fucked by them. oh well

where's your proof they dont like black men :footinmouth

[2009AD]

You are a strong black woman!


I dont have bigoted views about blacks. I was only speaking on what MY expierence with blacks has been. Plain and simple. Do I shut black people out of my life because of the way MOST of them treat me? Hell no. because there are good in bad in ALL races. Its just sad to me how SOME black people treat me just for how I look, when in real talk, thats how they were treated and in some cases still are treated. But I have black clients who treat me well on both a client level and a friend level. I have black trade that treat me like a queen. And my 2 best and only REAL friends are black, and anybody and everybody who knows me knows race is not an issue with me. I was just sharing MY expierences with how I am treated by alot of black people. Wether they are in all black groups, or mixed race groups. Before you dare condem me for speaking a truth you dont want to accept because its not what you want to hear, grow up Puerto Rican and transgendered and then see where I am coming from. But I have to say my expierences made me a stronger person and I'm sorry I'm not the kind of girl who sugar coats shit , I live with this every day of my life so wether you like what I'm saying or not, it doesnt change the facts that thats REALITY in this world.

[T-girl hound]

You are a strong black woman! :D


I dont have bigoted views about blacks. I was only speaking on what MY expierence with blacks has been. Plain and simple. Do I shut black people out of my life because of the way MOST of them treat me? Hell no. because there are good in bad in ALL races. Its just sad to me how SOME black people treat me just for how I look, when in real talk, thats how they were treated and in some cases still are treated. But I have black clients who treat me well on both a client level and a friend level. I have black trade that treat me like a queen. And my 2 best and only REAL friends are black, and anybody and everybody who knows me knows race is not an issue with me. I was just sharing MY expierences with how I am treated by alot of black people. Wether they are in all black groups, or mixed race groups. Before you dare condem me for speaking a truth you dont want to accept because its not what you want to hear, grow up Puerto Rican and transgendered and then see where I am coming from. But I have to say my expierences made me a stronger person and I'm sorry I'm not the kind of girl who sugar coats shit , I live with this every day of my life so wether you like what I'm saying or not, it doesnt change the facts that thats REALITY in this world. :rock2

[jjhill]

One of my favorite quotes "The oppressed are always defensive, the oppressor is always aggressive, and surprised when the people turn back on him the force he has used against them"

That quote is very relevant to this thread, especially with the vilification of black men that been going on.

[deee757]

well, at least you know where your money is wanted or accepted

[TsVanessa69]

this sucks.

Alyssa, Vanessa, and Ruby doesnt even like black men. I already knew about many of the white ts on here not liking black men but not them. Damn i wanted to get fucked by them. oh well

where's your proof they dont like black men :footinmouth
Yea who said that? I have a sexy light skinned black boy with green eyes who when I see him I turn into a bitch because he is so daymn fine. I have alot of black dick and ass in my clientele and on my friends with benefits level, the 2 of the 3 special friends happen to be black.
Pointing out situations that alot of black people have put me in that I dont like, and judging an entire race on a whole are 2 very different things. See being a transexual who lives as a trans woman, I've learned to deal with each and every indiviual on a one on one basis. Besides in my real job as a Peer Educator, or when I escort, I'm in a business that deals with ALL types of people, and the person you least expect to have your back is the person who will step in and save ya ass.

[TsVanessa69]

You are a strong black woman!


I dont have bigoted views about blacks. I was only speaking on what MY expierence with blacks has been. Plain and simple. Do I shut black people out of my life because of the way MOST of them treat me? Hell no. because there are good in bad in ALL races. Its just sad to me how SOME black people treat me just for how I look, when in real talk, thats how they were treated and in some cases still are treated. But I have black clients who treat me well on both a client level and a friend level. I have black trade that treat me like a queen. And my 2 best and only REAL friends are black, and anybody and everybody who knows me knows race is not an issue with me. I was just sharing MY expierences with how I am treated by alot of black people. Wether they are in all black groups, or mixed race groups. Before you dare condem me for speaking a truth you dont want to accept because its not what you want to hear, grow up Puerto Rican and transgendered and then see where I am coming from. But I have to say my expierences made me a stronger person and I'm sorry I'm not the kind of girl who sugar coats shit , I live with this every day of my life so wether you like what I'm saying or not, it doesnt change the facts that thats REALITY in this world.
I'm actually a strong, proud Puerto Rican woman! Weepa! Boricua! Arroz con gandules!!!

[RubyTS]

i hate all men blk white red yellow brown....

but i do love dick

[TsVanessa69]

She is right... Brothas normally TOP!!!

I know I only TOP!!!
When you riding a dick, you are on top, so yea, I see your point! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

[jjhill]

You are a strong black woman!


I dont have bigoted views about blacks. I was only speaking on what MY expierence with blacks has been. Plain and simple. Do I shut black people out of my life because of the way MOST of them treat me? Hell no. because there are good in bad in ALL races. Its just sad to me how SOME black people treat me just for how I look, when in real talk, thats how they were treated and in some cases still are treated. But I have black clients who treat me well on both a client level and a friend level. I have black trade that treat me like a queen. And my 2 best and only REAL friends are black, and anybody and everybody who knows me knows race is not an issue with me. I was just sharing MY expierences with how I am treated by alot of black people. Wether they are in all black groups, or mixed race groups. Before you dare condem me for speaking a truth you dont want to accept because its not what you want to hear, grow up Puerto Rican and transgendered and then see where I am coming from. But I have to say my expierences made me a stronger person and I'm sorry I'm not the kind of girl who sugar coats shit , I live with this every day of my life so wether you like what I'm saying or not, it doesnt change the facts that thats REALITY in this world.
I'm actually a strong, proud Puerto Rican woman! Weepa! Boricua! Arroz con gandules!!!

Your missing out on the parade that's going on. On the grand concourse right now. I was there for a lil bit of it.

[Suckalot1]

One of my favorite quotes "The oppressed are always defensive, the oppressor is always aggressive, and surprised when the people turn back on him the force he has used against them"

That quote is very relevant to this thread, especially with the vilification of black men that been going on.
Actually, it has no relevance and you have shown that your the true racist with hard feelings towards whites, what a disgrace. You should be thanking whites and kissing their asses. Without white people you wouldn't have any of the opportunities that you do today.

You were never oppressed by white people and no one you know was. As I said before, most white people in the US today weren't even here during US slavery and have nothing to do with it.


The oppressors and oppressed? wow your a dumb piece of dirt.

You have all the white people to thank! The white people who gave your mom that good job, the white people who defended your grandfather from being falsely accused, all the white people who've let you have all these great opportunities, and all others. But yet your a dumb bitter bitch about something that hasn't at all affected you, just has given you more opportunities.

So what do you think of the great black people? since you place so much blame on those damn white people, I've already said all the great things they do for you.

What do these "great" blacks do for you? Get you to commit crimes? Sell your father and auntie crack? Encourage you to drop out of school?

What other great things??????

Your a moron, show some fucking gratitude to the great white people. Stop trying to make out blacks to be some great people who've never done anything wrong to you. Grew up in the hood?? man your fucking stupid.

[TsVanessa69]

i hate all men blk white red yellow brown....

but i do love dick
Bitch rrighttt!!
I don't hate on a group basis, I hate on an individual basis, and there is only 1 person in my life at this moment that I actually can say I hate, and he is Puerto Rican, so these guys read into things and see only what they want to see.

[TsVanessa69]

well, at least you know where your money is wanted or accepted
I see it like this, the only color I think about with who spends money with me is the color of the money, GREEN. Skin color has not been an issue with me ever.
I am Puerto Rican.
I am part black, part Taino indian, part Spanish and part french.
Every daymn skin color out there is mixed in me.
I just state facts and some people can't accpet truths.

[jjhill]

One of my favorite quotes "The oppressed are always defensive, the oppressor is always aggressive, and surprised when the people turn back on him the force he has used against them"

That quote is very relevant to this thread, especially with the vilification of black men that been going on.
Actually, it has no relevance and you have shown that your the true racist with hard feelings towards whites, what a disgrace. You should be thanking whites and kissing their asses. Without white people you wouldn't have any of the opportunities that you do today.

You were never oppressed by white people and no one you know was. As I said before, most white people in the US today weren't even here during US slavery and have nothing to do with it.


The oppressors and oppressed? wow your a dumb piece of dirt.

You have all the white people to thank! The white people who gave your mom that good job, the white people who defended your grandfather from being falsely accused, all the white people who've let you have all these great opportunities, and all others. But yet your a dumb bitter bitch about something that hasn't at all affected you, just has given you more opportunities.

So what do you think of the great black people? since you place so much blame on those damn white people, I've already said all the great things they do for you.

What do these "great" blacks do for you? Get you to commit crimes? Sell your father and auntie crack? Encourage you to drop out of school?

What other great things??????

Your a moron, show some fucking gratitude to the great white people. Stop trying to make out blacks to be some great people who've never done anything wrong to you. Grew up in the hood?? man your fucking stupid.

Your dumber then I thought. I wasn't referencing white people in that quote dumb ass. Your racist toward blacks that what it is. I could care less tho.