How many guys here would actually DATE a TS?

[HUNGTOP552]

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick. If your attracted to someone your attracted period.Who cares about the Ts part or whatever??

[valsoldese1]

here is my dream woman...

[HUNGTOP552]

GOOD DREAM!

[phobun]

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick.
Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.

[Icanthelpmyself]

Their no problem dating TS I think it would be exciting everyone thinking I have a real woman on a date not knowing she's a TS. Plus their pleasure in the unknown. What I don't like is to be with a pro who's just there for the money not ofr the enjoyment of my company.

[Thatiger23]

i would date a TS and i would be willing to be in a long term relationship with her as long as we had trust and chemistry...i know u want pics ruby but if any of the girls wanna see what i look like pm me and ill show you a picture of me

[alyssats]

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick.
Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.

I think most guys just care about the cock and not really how beautiful the TS is :shock:

[BiGuy4TS]

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick.
Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.

I think most guys just care about the cock and not really how beautiful the TS is :shock:

Beauty and sexiness are definitely important too.

[sugdaddie69]

have in the past,been in a relationship,dated,and would again if the right TS came along.

[samstl99]

Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.

For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.

Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.

[MacShreach]

Their no problem dating TS I think it would be exciting everyone thinking I have a real woman on a date not knowing she's a TS. Plus their pleasure in the unknown. What I don't like is to be with a pro who's just there for the money not ofr the enjoyment of my company.

Yeah, that's exactly what every woman wants-- to be a freak to gratify the sexual fetish of some guy. Please. If you want to get off on a fetish, explore your gay, sorry "alternative sexuality" side, get off on fooling your wee chums at the pub, sure, that can be arranged--for a price.

But if you want to love someone it's not about those things, it's about caring about what SHE wants and needs, not how YOU get off. That is the deal--you put HER needs and feelings first, and she reciprocates. (You hope.)

That is why, in their real, personal lives, so many transsexual women mistrust men who are "into trannies." They are women who would just like to be accepted and made to feel wanted AS WOMEN, not as freak-show entertainments or sex objects.

[MacShreach]

Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.

For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.

Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.

Word.

[MacShreach]

here is my dream woman...

I take it you are just blown away by her lovely dark eyes? Or what?

Why is my cock-hound radar going flippy-floppy? Sheesh.

[alyssats]

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick.
Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.

I think most guys just care about the cock and not really how beautiful the TS is :shock:

Beauty and sexiness are definitely important too.

wow nice to hear that

[alyssats]

Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.

For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.

Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.

Thanks for the input samstl99, im not saying all guys just like the cock from TS but Ive noticed most of them. Yes youve got my point just example if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already. And nice to hear there are still some guys there who appreciate the TS beauty overall package(inside and outside beauty) than just her cock jeje

[MacShreach]

if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already.

Unfortunately that's all too common. I have seen some really crass, downright offensive things written here and elsewhere about girls who complete their transitions, and it must really hurt.

I just think that if you like someone, whether you've had sex with her or not, or even fantasised about it, you should want for that person whatever she wants; I fail to see how a woman after SRS is any less a woman. I think men who diss girls for getting the SRS they have worked so hard to achieve are about as low as it gets.

FWIW I think there are some men who see transsexual women as an unusual and very interesting type of woman, and there are some (many) men who see transsexual women as a freaky, sexually attractive yet unthreatening type of man, with whom they can indulge their homosexuality without having to admit that that is what it actually is. They'll deny it of course, but then, why else would they be upset when a girl has her manhood changed into a womanhood?
:shrug QED, really.

[marcelloNYC]

if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already.

Unfortunately that's all too common. I have seen some really crass, downright offensive things written here and elsewhere about girls who complete their transitions, and it must really hurt.

I just think that if you like someone, whether you've had sex with her or not, or even fantasised about it, you should want for that person whatever she wants; I fail to see how a woman after SRS is any less a woman. I think men who diss girls for getting the SRS they have worked so hard to achieve are about as low as it gets.

FWIW I think there are some men who see transsexual women as an unusual and very interesting type of woman, and there are some (many) men who see transsexual women as a freaky, sexually attractive yet unthreatening type of man, with whom they can indulge their homosexuality without having to admit that that is what it actually is. They'll deny it of course, but then, why else would they be upset when a girl has her manhood changed into a womanhood?
:shrug QED, really.

My sentiments exactly! Well said.

[raiku9909]

While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

my two cents.

[Jordee]

If I am attracted to her then it isn't even a question.. Of course I would. I don't care if she's had SRS or not. In fact, in a way, I don't like that because that is pretty radical surgery AND you can be a chick and have a dick. I'm more drawn/attracted to women (and TS) with big breasts so that's a surgery type thing but my point remains the same--If I'm attracted to her then I'd date her no questions asked, no matter if she was born with a vagine-gine or a yoohoo.

[MacShreach]

On the assumption that you are responding to me,





It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.


Various forms of transgenderism have been documented all over the world, for thousands of years, including ancient Greece but also India and the Americas; recent research has shown that travestis were revered in Peruvian culture 450 years ago and therefore the tradition certainly must extend into the pre-Columbian era. Frankly it would surprise me if this were not the case; polytheistic cultures often exhibit a range of belief and cultural practise that the strict dualism imposed by Abrahamic religion completely forbids.

This observation, however, in no way sheds any light whatsoever on the reasons why men are interested in the phenomenon, it just confirms that it has been going on for a long time.

As for the reasons themselves, well, there are clearly, straight (well, pretty much) varying degrees of bisexual and both closeted and openly gay men who are attracted to transgender women, and the women to whom they are attracted range from cross-dressing men "en femme" (eg Lexx Parker/Kayla Coxx,) to post-operative transsexual women. This whole phenomenon is very complex, so it would be odd indeed if the male element were not also so.

You are fairly new here, you may not have read into the posting history of the members, and I have to say the atmosphere here is far better than it has been at times in the past--as was demonstrated when it was announced recently that Sabrina de Paulo had undergone SRS and most of the comments were very positive.

Nevertheless, a thorough look around the other threads going on right now should leave you in no doubt whatsoever that there are men here who definitely do use transsexual women to fuel their homosexual fantasies and fetishes, and these are the very same men who make the most fuss and say the most hurtful things when a woman gets her SRS, or even suggests that she might. These are gay men, whatever they may call themselves. It really is QED.



I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."


Oh, they do know it, actually. The reason it matters is not because there is something wrong with being gay--there most certainly is NOT--but because some of the gay men we are talking about put the gratification of their own fetish above a woman's need to be who she really is, and worse, they are prepared to use what power they have to that end.

Transsexual women have enough to deal with, without the added burden of a bunch of closeted homosexual men giving them flak for being what they actually are--women.

[Alaska Guy]

While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

my two cents.

These are two points that basically fit into my situation. Just because I like tgirls doesn't mean that I am afraid to live a gay life with a man. I don't do that because it fuckin disgusts me!

I hate the fact that some tgirl women constantly state how they are women, period. Yet those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!" Why is it so one sided? I like tgirls, period. These girls are free to transition and call themselves women, I'm free to love the type of girl that I want and to not be judged one way or another.

All I date now are tgirls, and maybe one day I will find the right one. Don't know why it has to be so hard, maybe part of it is that girls want to insist that I am really just a homo, and that I want men, and therefor they never really trust their feelings with me.

[The Azmun]

WOW. this is really turning into a terrific discussion, and thanks to all of you for allowing me with my limited experience to participate. I feel that I am really learning a lot and enriching my perspective on things.
It has been my own personal experience with everyone I have ever known that often behind what others perceive to be a jaded or tough exterior is a sensitive, caring individual who wants love but has been hurt enough to keep up a strong guard with people...it's never really accurate to say that someone else is all that bad a person without walking in their shoes.
having said that, it seems, and I may be wrong, that a Tgirl's reaction to a man simply interested in a girl with a dick is more an objection to being objectified, the same way that GG's often have difficulty having men talk to their face instead of the pussy.
speaking of SRS, if someone loved you in the first place, then of course they will still love you after completing transition, but what about the orgasm? I've always enjoyed pleasing my lovers and from what I have heard, after SRS an orgasm is no longer possible. Yes, I enjoy getting off and being pleased, but I would not enjoy sex with someone who saw it as more something they did for me than something we did together...have I heard wrong about people being able to climax after SRS? Maybe someone can address that one...
As for human history, obviously there is a deep psychological need among the human species to identify a "third sex," which I am sure no adequately funded research will be done on any time soon...I am glad this discussion has taken a direction of warmth and compassion and intellectual exchange. It gets me thinking.
Why am I interested in Tgirls? ...Why not? I've seen pictures of women who are more beautiful than most GG's and I really wouldn't care about the anatomy between their legs if I could kiss those lips and have those eyes look at me with love in them. I guess everybody has a different reason, I would hate to think it's because it's something "exotic" or a way to disguise suppressed homosexuality. Judging by some of the things said by others here I would wager there is a lot better understanding than I might have thought a few years ago. I think with such understanding in the world, love always has a chance.:)

[MacShreach]

<snip>those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!"

So, you do suck dick?

[MacShreach]

<snip>.have I heard wrong about people being able to climax after SRS? Maybe someone can address that one...
<snip>

You did hear wrong. Transitioned women can vaginally orgasm. There are reports of varying degrees of difficulty, and it does take time after SRS for healing to proceed to the point where sensitivity returns, but most do orgasm. Why wouldn't they?

[The Azmun]

I don't know, it's what I had heard. Like I said, this discussion has been very informative for me. Thanks again. :)

[Alaska Guy]

<snip>those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!"

So, you do suck dick?

None of YOUR business

[RubyTS]

im gonna take my future gf to a amusement park for our first date n make out on the rides n hold hands n eat cotton candy :P

i think shes gonna really enjoy that 8)

[MacShreach]

I don't know, it's what I had heard. Like I said, this discussion has been very informative for me. Thanks again. :)

If you are keen to know more I suggest you read the posts by PeggyGee and Danielle Foxxx-- go to their profile pages and click "find all posts by."

Also Google "tsroadmap" and "Lynn Conway."

That lot should keep you busy a while.

[MacShreach]

<snip>those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!"

So, you do suck dick?

None of YOUR business


:lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, that's what I thought.

[LilWyte]

im gonna take my future gf to a amusement park for our first date n make out on the rides n hold hands n eat cotton candy :P

i think shes gonna really enjoy that 8)
yea i think both me and her will very much

[Instrumental]

To answer the original question:
It'd be just as likely as a dating a genetic female but since I'm not interested in dating at all that chance would still be zero.

[GinX]

While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

my two cents.

These are two points that basically fit into my situation. Just because I like tgirls doesn't mean that I am afraid to live a gay life with a man. I don't do that because it fuckin disgusts me!

I hate the fact that some tgirl women constantly state how they are women, period. Yet those girls often deride a man for being into tgirls, calling him a closeted homo, and to "just go and live your life with a man you cowardly, dick sucking, faggot!" Why is it so one sided? I like tgirls, period. These girls are free to transition and call themselves women, I'm free to love the type of girl that I want and to not be judged one way or another.

All I date now are tgirls, and maybe one day I will find the right one. Don't know why it has to be so hard, maybe part of it is that girls want to insist that I am really just a homo, and that I want men, and therefor they never really trust their feelings with me.

Well, part of the problem stems from the fact that there are two particular groups of men who make life difficult for others.

The first group are those men who are interested in transsexuals ONLY because they are "chicks with dicks". They are mostly unconcerned with as TS' desire to transition fully and are mostly concerned with the novelty of having sex with a woman who has a penis. Some of these men are merely fetishists, some may be gay, some may be bisexual...the one thing that remains the same is that they all focus on what's between the legs rather than the whole of the person.

The second group are those men who deride other men for doing "gay things" with transsexuals. These are the men who tell themselves they are 100% straight as long as they avoid particular sex acts with a transsexual and believe those men who do engage in those particular sex acts are simply gay men in hiding. These men have yet to understand that a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.

If you can avoid falling into either of these groups, I think you'll find the woman you are looking for. The most important thing to remember is that you have to love EVERYTHING about her. You have to realize where she wants to go and how you'll be a part of that journey.

[MacShreach]

<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
<snip>

So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-


No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

Or of your own orientation:-


You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[RubyTS]

what determines ur orientation is love not sex. Sex is just a physical stimulant.

[DL_NL]

This gay vs straight stuff is getting old... no wait, it's ancient already. Your sexual preferences aren't like those 90% of the population would admit to. Doesn't mean you're gay or whatever label you want to attach to it, it just means that you're not afraid to think beyond the obvious patterns.

Enjoy it, don't try to label it.

[Steel02]

I would love to have a serious relationship with a TS. To be able to get to know her and share her hopes, dreams and maybe fall in love is my dream and dreams DO cum true :wink:

[MonsieurValentine]

What is this "TS" that everyone keeps talking about anyway?

[tstv_lover]

Would do, have done and currently am dating a TS.

[GinX]

<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
<snip>

So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-


No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

Or of your own orientation:-


You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

And AGAIN you fail. Let me explain it so even you can understand.

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

And think on this: since we consider m to f transsexuals to be women, when a man has sex with her, the result can only be heterosexual sex...a man and a woman cannot engage homosexual sex.

By the way, if you are going to farm quotes from previous posts I made, either post the entire statement so it can read in context or just don't do it. It doesn't do you any good to be such a coward. Since you conveniently forgot to do so, I'll do it for you this time.

Here is the post where I make my 'statement' about what I think transsexual women are:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=32702&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Everyone can read and decide for themselves.

[RubyTS]

<snip>a sexual act in and of itself is neither heterosexual or homosexual...those labels only apply when we examine the individuals performing the acts and the context under which those acts are done.
<snip>

So tell me, oh font of all wisdom, how do we have sex that does not involve consideration of our partners or the context within which we are having sex? Just get pissed out of our minds and shag the first person that walks in (or maybe get shagged by the first person that walks in?)

To suggest that sex is something that happens independently of the partners or the context is a blatant oxymoron, or a deliberate attempt to mislead.

And of course, we do have to remember what you think about transsexual women:-


No matter how many hormones or cosmetic alterations or surgeries a t-girl takes, 'she' will always,.... be a male.

Or of your own orientation:-


You've got a 37 year old bottom guy here

So in fact your opinion is some what skewed; you are a gay man who is obsessed with cock and who thinks that transwomen are male; forgive me if I suggest that your opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

And AGAIN you fail. Let me explain it so even you can understand.

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.

And think on this: since we consider m to f transsexuals to be women, when a man has sex with her, the result can only be heterosexual sex...a man and a woman cannot engage homosexual sex.

By the way, if you are going to farm quotes from previous posts I made, either post the entire statement so it can read in context or just don't do it. It doesn't do you any good to be such a coward. Since you conveniently forgot to do so, I'll do it for you this time.

Here is the post where I make my 'statement' about what I think transsexual women are:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=32702&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Everyone can read and decide for themselves.


kudos! i think u broke it down so simply and briefly that MOST the morons on here will understand, and if they dont well then... they just never will

[Justawannabe]

Have to agree with Ruby and GinX here...

It's not what you do, it's who you do it with that determines you orientation.

[MacShreach]

Have to agree with Ruby and GinX here...

It's not what you do, it's who you do it with that determines you orientation.

Whatever. :wink:

[phobun]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

[MacShreach]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

LOL yup. These pilgrims always have another way to tell you a pig ain't a pig.....

[GinX]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

How many words can you fit into your narrow definition?

Your ad homs aside, my point is perfectly well made. Orientation is defined by who you want to experience sexual contact with, not the acts involved. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that a sexual act has no inherent "gayness" or "straightness"? Who made you-or anyone for that matter-the final arbiter on a man's manliness?

The real issue here is simple: fear. There are a plethora of men who know that because they have sex with pre-op transsexuals, the majority of the general population would consider them gay, no matter what sex acts are involved. So, in an attempt to avoid this, they divert attention away from themselves by pointing the finger at other men and saying something like "I only top, but THAT guy will bottom...HE'S the gay one, not me." They'll stick with that story as long as they can.

Of course, what these men fail to realize is that this position is ultimately self-defeating. Since a transsexual woman is a WOMAN, when she has sex with a man, it's a man and woman having sex; ergo, the sexual contact is heterosexual. It cannot be homosexual sex because such can only take place between teo people of the same gender. Sorry to tell you, but the old nonsense of "If you top her, you're straight, if you bottom to her, you're gay" just doesn't fly, no matter how badly you may want it to.

I know you'll most likely never change your views and that's fine. Personally, I don't know how else to explain this to you. Believe whatever you like. I have nothing else to say.

[MacShreach]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

[NYBURBS]

lol this age old debate again. It's so sad that people on this site feel the need to try and categorize each other :roll:

As to the actual subject of this topic... Yea there are some TS I would actually date long term. My experience has been that some girls are too diva like, or drama intensive, etc and that just isn't for me (more power to em though if it works for em); however, there are some that are pretty much everything you could want in another person so why not.

[lahabra1976]

I think Ginx posts actually are quite straightforward, I agree its not the act that is important

For example, some straight men like their women putting a dildo up their ass causes is pleasurable and they aren't homosexual. So its true the act of bottoming doesn't necessarily mean gayness and the act of topping doesn't necessarily mean straightness.

[gottalovetransexuals]

please see my thread 1st relationship with ts
cheers Dave

[MacShreach]

the act of topping doesn't necessarily mean straightness.

LOL Straight men don't "top," chum (and they most certainly don't "bottom," either.) Most of them don't even know what the words mean. Straight men just have sex with women.

I never, ever heard a straight man say "Oh, I topped a real babe last night." I never, ever heard a woman say her husband "topped her." Get real.

These are words from the homosexual lexicon and they have no meaning whatsoever--none--in the straight world.

And by the way, there is no such thing as a woman who has any use for a homosexual man, outside of money, or maybe "companionship," by which she means she can introduce you to her boyfriend without him hopping in the sack with you. Straight men don't do that, but there is every chance he will with one of her girlfriends if he thinks he won't get caught. But he won't "top" her either; he'll just fuck her legs off all night and then nail her again in the morning for good measure.

Sorry about that. Carry on camping, straight guys. :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iH1GhM2j8

There you go, a few pointers for you; I understand that's how it's done. You too, Morticia, I don't see your posts, but I just fucking know you're reading this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Too funny.

[SemperFiGuy]

That would be every dream come true I could ever imagine Ruby. I see the dating / relationship thing no different just because I like special girls.

It puts me into a weird corner. I'm not flambouyant or out there, no one would ever suspect. I'm a guy, a man among men type.

I do like to bottom though, which puts me "out" with a lot of TS girls. I don't get off on the feeling, it's the connection of giving me to her.

A "wife" would be AWSOME, a commited relationship. Feeling her slide into me skin on skin!!!!!! Shooting her love into me!!!!! Not practical with 99% of the girls on here though, so I suffer. I love normal boy / girl sex where I'm doing the pumping too of course. Very much so.

[Jim Brown]

That would be every dream come true I could ever imagine Ruby. I see the dating / relationship thing no different just because I like special girls.

It puts me into a weird corner. I'm not flambouyant or out there, no one would ever suspect. I'm a guy, a man among men type.

I do like to bottom though, which puts me "out" with a lot of TS girls. I don't get off on the feeling, it's the connection of giving me to her.

A "wife" would be AWSOME, a commited relationship. Feeling her slide into me skin on skin!!!!!! Shooting her love into me!!!!! Not practical with 99% of the girls on here though, so I suffer. I love normal boy / girl sex where I'm doing the pumping too of course. Very much so.

Jump right out and shout MARINE CORPS. AAAGGGHHHHH! oh sorry i wish i was a Marine.

[SemperFiGuy]

I'm retired/ on terminal leave. So I'm untouchable as far as any practical use of the UCMJ goes. So I guess I can take a train of hot TS girls right on the beach if I wanted. LOL...

[dderek123]

And by the way, there is no such thing as a woman who has any use for a homosexual man, outside of money, or maybe "companionship,"

fag hags

[NYBURBS]

I'm retired/ on terminal leave. So I'm untouchable as far as any practical use of the UCMJ goes. So I guess I can take a train of hot TS girls right on the beach if I wanted. LOL...

Semper Fi dude U Signed the Motherfucking Contract (but it's almost done now lol). Good luck.

[GinX]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.

[phobun]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.
He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response. As far as not being interested in any man, that seems to conflict with what you've indicated previously, such as... "if you prefer both.... ...then it doubles your chances for a date on Friday night :D ".

And how do you classify yourself given your ad looking for CD/TV girls (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=577279&highlight=#577279) to top you...? They are not women, nor transsexuals, but men in skirts, right? So it is not exactly true to say you're not interested in any man.

I am not faulting you for being gay, just highlighting your ostensibly cognitive dissonant positions.

[MacShreach]

He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response..

This is exactly correct, as you can see. All that's left of Morticia's post is the little space between 2 pink lines above your post. But Morticia just can't help reading my posts..... I know this when I see that little blank space :lol: :lol: :lol: It kills me.

[GinX]

A sexual act CANNOT be labeled as heterosexual or homosexual. Fellatio is neither. Anal penetration is neither. Vaginal penetration is neither. What matters is the people involved. A man need not be a homosexual to enjoy anal penetration. The sheer, mechanical, physical act of it can be pleasurable because we men have something called a prostate. What DOES matter is how he seeks that penetration. If he ONLY wants other men to do it, I'd call him a homosexual. If he prefers men and women, I'd call him bisexual. If he has no attraction to other men, but is comfortable with a transsexual or GG anally penetrating men, I'd call him a straight man who finds that particular sex act pleasurable.
How many faeries can dance on the head of your pinis?

These pointless orientology debates do nothing to resolve an important issue... a guy's manliness.

If someone looked at your old avatar, they would see someone who looked like a leering eyed, prissy undertaker in a plus-sized black silk suit. The image was so absurd that I doubt it was really a photo of you. But what if the person in that avatar started to fastidiously describe the pleasure he feels from passively taking a dildo into his squishy bottom, so as to "mechanically" massage his prostate... would it matter if he then denied his gayness, on the basis of only wanting women to ream him with a dildo? Who would not chuckle?

Your explanation is silly because it ignores the spectrum of gender and classifies orientation on expressed desire rather than behavior, allowing you to define as straight an effeminate man purporting to want anal sex from a woman.

In order to know if a person is gay or straight, sometimes you do not even need to say whether you prefer men or women to top your bottom.

This is just an informational post-- the aforementioned homosexual undertaker.....

You said you were gonna killfile me. It's not nice to lie.

By the way, why are you keeping a picture of me? I'm not interested in any man...not even you, Mac.
He might only see your response if it happens to get incorporated into someone else's response. As far as not being interested in any man, that seems to conflict with what you've indicated previously, such as... "if you prefer both.... ...then it doubles your chances for a date on Friday night :D ".

And how do you classify yourself given your ad looking for CD/TV girls (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=577279&highlight=#577279) to top you...? They are not women, nor transsexuals, but men in skirts, right? So it is not exactly true to say you're not interested in any man.

I am not faulting you for being gay, just highlighting your ostensibly cognitive dissonant positions.

If a CD/TV is working towards transitioning, I'm pretty sure she'd be offended if you called her a "guy in a skirt". However, if that's how you want to define them, I leave you to it.

I'm not faulting you, either, I'm simply disregarding your illogical position that your opinion and perception are more accurate or correct than someone else's, said opinion and perception being defined by your own ostensibly narrow views.

It is what it is. I think we've both said pretty much all that we can say on the subject...at least I have. You're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to change mine. I admit that I was continuing because I was incensed that you-and Mac-decided to make it personal. Between the two of you I've been insulted, slandered, and quoted out of context..and of course, that pissed me off. However, there's little point in continuing the discourse.

Post what you like, say what you like, claim what you like, believe whatever you need to believe. Me...I'm just gonna let this go and move on. Maybe you will too.

[Alchemist]

Never have. But if the opportunity ever came up, I could see myself probably doing so. Assuming the two of us clicked of course.

[stevetagert]

I'd like to find one to "settle down" with.....Not just date ;)

[jcore]

Never have. But if the opportunity ever came up, I could see myself probably doing so. Assuming the two of us clicked of course.

Same Here

[TsVanessa69]

im gonna take my future gf to a amusement park for our first date n make out on the rides n hold hands n eat cotton candy :P

i think shes gonna really enjoy that 8)
yea i think both me and her will very much
Now if only other men were man enought to do a simple thing like that!
Thats what we want, to be seen and treated as normal woman.
Last year a member of this site took me to the zoo. As simple and as trivial as it may have seemed to some, it was a great date to me, wel walked around holding hands and playing with animals. The simple things in life sometimes make the best memories. And it keeps hope alive that one day we may meet another normal guy man enough to see us a woman instead of tranny's or shemales.

[BiCuriousGeorge]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.

[LTR_Seeker]

I would date ts got to places they dont usually be asked to go or meet like where Vanessa went zoos meseums movies vacations etc etc where nothing is asked from thye ladies other thannormal conversation

[Helvis2012]

Why not?

[phobun]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.
Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

[Helvis2012]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.
Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

[phobun]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.
Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

Sympathy is not going to help him get laid. He can wallow in self-pity or he can take action to improve his situation.

[Helvis2012]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.
Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

Sympathy is not going to help him get laid. He can wallow in self-pity or he can take action to improve his situation.


HA! HA! HA! Naturally. :claps

[fred41]

I would definitely date a ts girl. But the problem I find with most of the girls is they want the guy with either a lot of money, extremely good looking, well built, or all of the above. Average looking guys with a little bit of money and a little bit of a belly don't cut it in this environment. I feel I have something to offer to someone but don't get the chance to show it. So me, and average guys alike tend to be shy or less confident when standing near the "perfect guy". Just my 2 cents.
Waah! Waaaaaahhhhhh!

Many women don't like bisexual guys because they want normal, straight, masculine men. But you don't have to tell a girl you're curious about bending over for hairy dudes... just focus on the girl and be a gentleman.

Why don't you start down the road to self-improvement by going to the gym and improving your body if nothing else. Get rid of the "little bit of a belly" because you are not going to find a mother figure who loves you unconditionally. Working out might also improve your self-confidence, which according to most girls I've known, is a major factor for them.

And probably most girls would not be interested in someone so shallow and cheesy as to use an avatar like yours, a picture of your cock measured against a beer bottle. The fact you would use such an avatar is probably reflected in other aspects of your personality and interpersonal skills.

All these factors together likely explain why you're lonely.

Wow! Just when you thought you heard it all........what a joke! Were you trying to prove his point or was that just an accident?!?!?!?!
:roll:

Sympathy is not going to help him get laid. He can wallow in self-pity or he can take action to improve his situation.

..Or he can pay.

[LTR_Seeker]

Whats does the women really want in guys seems aloit here are very rigid wont bend like what wrong datigna guy that not cookie cutter perfect

[fred41]

Whats does the women really want in guys seems aloit here are very rigid wont bend like what wrong datigna guy that not cookie cutter perfect

There's nothing wrong with having high expectations..everybody does that, not just the girls. The girls on here sometimes take a lot of criticism for looking for hot guys. However, I find that an awful lot of guys on this site too (can't see what most of 'em look like ..but I'm going with the odds here) are probably looking at girls way out of their league. A lot of guys complain that the girls aren't interested in plain , sometimes bald, sometimes paunchy......sometimes broke and jobless (lol) dudes..but the reality is , that a lot of times those guys are looking at pictures of some of the girls on here..the Ruby's, the Alyssas, the Cinthyas, the Jennifers..etc. , etc...instead of something closer to their own physical match....Not always, but I bet..a lot of the time.

[LTR_Seeker]

Its just dating not likea marriage or gf realtioship i dont think im out anyone league

[fred41]

Its just dating not likea marriage or gf realtioship i dont think im out anyone league

No,no no..I didn't mean you. I don't know what you look like. But a lot of guys do have a tendency to criticize the girls for things that they themselves do.

[BiCuriousGeorge]

Phobun, I wasn't looking for sympathy. I was answering the question with an opinion to it. You must have some issues yourself to knock me personally when you know nothing about me. For starters, I don't have a belly anymore, I went to the gym and got in shape, (still no 6 pack but firm). I make a decent living and got out of a relationship of a few years with a GG because she was a gold digger who just wanted a sugar daddy. I was stating what I went through and how I feel about it now. As far as you knocking my avatar if you haven't noticed, there are a lot of cock pics and avatars on this site. What do you think you have been looking at all this time? Maybe you feel bad your cock is too small to show anyone. I don't know but I won't judge you. It's all good.

[phobun]

Phobun, I wasn't looking for sympathy. I was answering the question with an opinion to it. You must have some issues yourself to knock me personally when you know nothing about me. For starters, I don't have a belly anymore, I went to the gym and got in shape, (still no 6 pack but firm). I make a decent living and got out of a relationship of a few years with a GG because she was a gold digger who just wanted a sugar daddy. I was stating what I went through and how I feel about it now. As far as you knocking my avatar if you haven't noticed, there are a lot of cock pics and avatars on this site. What do you think you have been looking at all this time? Maybe you feel bad your cock is too small to show anyone. I don't know but I won't judge you. It's all good.

No need to get defensive.

[Helvis2012]

phobun wrote:

No need to get defensive. :lol:

[eclipsemint]

...bump...

OK, so you're asking men who are members of a website forum devoted to transgender women if they would like to be in a relationship with one. I think its a given that a high percentage of them would. Yes, like a lot of guys on this site, I would have a publicly open relationship with a transexual woman that I was in love with.

But the chances of this happening are virtually zero, so at this point in my life it is just porn, fantasies, and on only five occasions, occasional fulfilled fantasies with transexual prostitutes.

OK, let's recap. To reiterate the bleeding obvious.

This is a catch 22 issue for us guys who are admirers of tgirls. You girls don't seem to want to be with a Tranny Chaser because you are afraid he might secretly be gay and a cock luster in denial and will bail on you if you go all the way with SRS.

And the chances are that most straight guys will turn and run when they find out what you're packing, because they aren't ready for you know what. (Jerry Springer. There's Something About Miriam.)

And then there's the fantasy of a straight guy falling in love with a girl and later finding out she was born as a boy and it doesn't matter because he loves her unconditionally and accepts her for the person she is inside. There is a one in a million chance of this happening. (The Crying Game.)

The upshot of all which is...Yes, I would accept a girl nomatter what she looked like physically if I loved her, and I would want to be in a relationship with her. But the chances of meeting a transexual girl by happenstance is virtually zero - I just don't mix in those kinds of circles.

I once heard a rumour at a place I worked that a woman in another department was really born a male, but she seemed 100% woman in appearance to me so I wrote it off as some snide remark alluding to her assertive attitude; and I wasn't going to go romance her just to find out. I wasn't attracted to her as a person or as a woman.

Any secretly passable tgirl I encounter in real life - well, what are the chances that I would fall for her and that she would fall for me?

Pretty slim, I think.

[zodiac]

Hey Jane,

first I'ld like to apologize for some miswriting, I'm dutch, so english is not my first language. I was reading your story and it made me write my first reply on this board ever. I totally agree with your views and I think you explain lots of stuff very clear, how can anybody disagree? The thing with sex and love can be quite complex, especcially if you consider sex (partially) as your profession.
I think most people get taught a certain picture of people living together, mother and father, the perfect life, the hetero relationship. It's an image most people in the world get accustomed to from birth by their parents (hopefully if they are lucky to be raised by happily married, loving parents), but this image is mentained for most part of their life by the enviroment they live in, kindergarten, primary and high school etc. I think also in this period, people start to develop a certain type of person they fall in love with. But often this type of person does not turn out to be the partner people share the rest of their lifes with. I think in losts of cases haircolor, but also length, level of education, age, color of skin etcetera differs from this image. In some cases perhaps also the gender of the person they love.
I grew up with two proud parents, but the age-gap between them (16yrs) turned out to be something that crossed their paths in being happy for the rest of their lifes; they divorced when I was about 14 yrs old. Some years later my mother fell in love with somebody, a girl. She said to me she never ever thought about that being possible, but it happened. I was raised to not judge people by how they look etcetera, but that moment made me realise that it is not the looks you fall in love with, it's the person inside, it truly is.
Why am I here then, on this board? There is a lot of nudity on this board, it's mostly the outsides, the looks that is to judge. I have to confess: I'm a 36 yrs old male with a college degree in architecture, have a full-time job, lots of friends and acquaintances, single and yes I'm highly attracted to transsexual people. It is truly not only the looks, but most of all it is the determination of making your body match your mind, being happy with yourselves, bending your lives into a direction trying to achieve a higher level of happiness. I have utmost respect for all of them, just for being brave enough to go through this process. I love to read the posts everyone makes, especcially the ones telling stories about experiences etc. and yes, I certainly do get turned on by the pictures and videos!
Would I date a TS? I can't imagine myself getting myself in a situation where this question is relevant. Yes it is a fantasy of mine, but would I pay for it? Dunno. I've never hired somebody for sex and I don't think it is likely I ever will. But as it goes for judging people by color, or gender, the same counts for judging people for selling their bodies. For sure, I would never pay for sex with somebody, whose choise to be selling their body is not a voluntary one. Like I say, I would only have peace with myself doing so, if the person I like to hire, made this decision on her own and with no push from others (who exploid them), and who likes having sex and is in the oppertunity to decline sex with persons they don't want to have sex with, even for money. But then again, I'm not into the hiring for sex procedure, how can I judge all of this.

Meeting with a TS is like you say: I don't want to be with a TS because she is a TS. I like to date a person and if she turns out to be a TS? SO WHAT, I was already attracted to her in the first place, it would be my fantasy come true. If she was on hormones already or not, pre- or post-op? I hope it wouldn't matter to me if I was to be in that situation. Would I introduce her to family and friends? Ofcourse. I would introduce her with her name, it would be up to her and my friends and family to get to know eachother, like I do with everybody.


Should we ever meet, I'm looking forward to it, you seem to be a likeable person.


ps. I'm not quit sure how to sign off this message, I always like to use my real name at the end of a post on the internet, but not sure it is wise to do so now ... I guess I would be one of the few on this board.

[Seducer]

Greetings compatriot !

You wrote it down real nice bro.
Thumbsup for your sincerity.

[smoothboi]

I think it's more of a question of whether a t-girl would want to date me, but I'm all for it.

[Lovecox]

I dated a TS for 6 months and my current TS casual date is turning into something more. We just went and got tested together and now it's pretty much who's going to say it first.

[zodiac]

I think it's more of a question of whether a t-girl would want to date me, but I'm all for it.
In the end, that's the most likely scenario. Will it happen? Only time will tell, I think I would like to experience the surprise and ofcourse, the reassurance after that moment for the girl that it is not an issue for you. That you are sexually attracted to eachother, because there is a love thing going on: both people appreciate eachothers personality.

[Baileyluv]

umm of course

[irvin66]

If I get the chance then maybe ...

[carlmarx]

I date TS women, but I am currently not single:).

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/philiminilli/IMG_0397.jpg

[tao1kiku]

Am in a long term relationship with a TS woman, will be putting an engagement ring on her finger in October/November, and we've already been doing wedding planning

[rockabilly]

I did once.

[Lirking]

Not going through all 34 pages lol but yes I would and I have a had relationships.

[theone1982]

Would. Did. Want to again. BAD! :dancing:

[robertlouis]

Do so currently and have never been happier.

[JenniferParisHusband]

Date? If I could be with Jennifer Paris, I'd marry her and do her on the table during thanksgiving dinner in front of the whole family, and never give a care about what the rest of the world was thinking.

[ctparis]

Would love to, BUTTT I either find ones that I'm not very attracted to (personally or physically) or the ones that I really dig aren't interested. It sucks that a lot of T Girls escort and have their guards up.

[Chiba5]

I would date a ts even if she's a pre-op or post-op

[theflu]

Have done it, will do again! Would love to meet a really hot shemale, not so easy where I live though, but you never know.

[mnguy2044]

I would

[JenniferParisHusband]

Have done it, will do again! Would love to meet a really hot shemale, not so easy where I live though, but you never know.

Flu, just curious, who is the lady in your picture there. She's hot.

[amberskyi]

Have done it, will do again! Would love to meet a really hot shemale, not so easy where I live though, but you never know.

if your calling the girls shemales than i know you havent dated one...nice fnatasy tho huh

[theflu]

JenniferParishusband: She´s Rui Matsushita of Shemale Japan. Really gorgeous!

And amberskyi: Maybe you should keep your insulting comments to yourself. I have, both preop and postop. Mind your own business first, and let us enjoy life, together with anyone we like.........

[amberskyi]

JenniferParishusband: She´s Rui Matsushita of Shemale Japan. Really gorgeous!

And amberskyi: Maybe you should keep your insulting comments to yourself. I have, both preop and postop. Mind your own business first, and let us enjoy life, together with anyone we like.........

I'm sorry but I just call bull shit.anyone who's dated a Trans woman and seen them out side of the fetish wouldn't use the term shemale.we hate that word, anyone who's spent any real time with a girl would know that

[danthepoetman]

I don’t want to be the moralizing weasel, here, and I suppose that someone will probably tell me that I live in a fantasy world, but I still find that the question in itself is insulting. It’s as if t-women were somewhat soiled or contaminated beings and that anyone would run the risk of spreading the “disease” around or something, if seen with one; it’s totally preposterous! I really don’t mean to be hostile to the OP, but the question in itself sucks. If any guy coming on this site would have any problem dating a t-woman (if single, of course), he doesn’t have balls, that’s as simple as that as far as I’m concerned.
You have to have the courage of your desire and of your convictions, and not wait for others to have them in your place. Besides, if you learn anything as you get older it’s this: don’t let anyone impose on you what they think is best for you, and don’t wait on people’s approval to love whom you want to love.

[Jackal]

I don’t want to be the moralizing weasel, here, and I suppose that someone will probably tell me that I live in a fantasy world, but I still find that the question in itself is insulting. It’s as if t-women were somewhat soiled or contaminated beings and that anyone would run the risk of spreading the “disease” around or something, if seen with one; it’s totally preposterous! I really don’t mean to be hostile to the OP, but the question in itself sucks. If any guy coming on this site would have any problem dating a t-woman (if single, of course), he doesn’t have balls, that’s as simple as that as far as I’m concerned.
You have to have the courage of your desire and of your convictions, and not wait for others to have them in your place. Besides, if you learn anything as you get older it’s this: don’t let anyone impose on you what they think is best for you, and don’t wait on people’s approval to love whom you want to love.


I agree completely. I was going to make it a single caveat but, after re-reading), I saw you write "if single, of course."

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

I don’t want to be the moralizing weasel, here, and I suppose that someone will probably tell me that I live in a fantasy world, but I still find that the question in itself is insulting. It’s as if t-women were somewhat soiled or contaminated beings and that anyone would run the risk of spreading the “disease” around or something, if seen with one; it’s totally preposterous! I really don’t mean to be hostile to the OP, but the question in itself sucks. If any guy coming on this site would have any problem dating a t-woman (if single, of course), he doesn’t have balls, that’s as simple as that as far as I’m concerned.
You have to have the courage of your desire and of your convictions, and not wait for others to have them in your place. Besides, if you learn anything as you get older it’s this: don’t let anyone impose on you what they think is best for you, and don’t wait on people’s approval to love whom you want to love.

Although I totally agree with your statement and find the question repetitive and overused [there always seems to be a post with this or similar worded questions] I think the REAL question is how many girls on here would date one of the members on here? I'm a cynic and I believe most of the girls on here see the members here as a means to an end. Cash cows if you will. I'll use Bailey Jay as an example. I've read on here on more than one occasion that she is repulsed by "cock hounds" and thinks her admirers/fans are gay or closet fags. Even Ally Sinclair [whom I adore] but whom also I've never seen on here on any sort of a regular basis was on just recently to promote her new website. Kelly Shore, Liberty Harkness, Wendy Summers, Nikka [and a few others that I can't remember at the moment] are the select "few" who seem to actually interact with the members on here for reasons other than trying to make a buck. Alas, most use this site for self promotion and care nothing about it's members only about what's in our wallets.

[Colin92660]

would, have and will.

[hammer6000]

I have been dating a beautiful t lady for well over a year and have found that it would be hard to change now, most fun I have ever had!

[freedom]

I don’t want to be the moralizing weasel, here, and I suppose that someone will probably tell me that I live in a fantasy world, but I still find that the question in itself is insulting. It’s as if t-women were somewhat soiled or contaminated beings and that anyone would run the risk of spreading the “disease” around or something, if seen with one; it’s totally preposterous! I really don’t mean to be hostile to the OP, but the question in itself sucks. If any guy coming on this site would have any problem dating a t-woman (if single, of course), he doesn’t have balls, that’s as simple as that as far as I’m concerned.
You have to have the courage of your desire and of your convictions, and not wait for others to have them in your place. Besides, if you learn anything as you get older it’s this: don’t let anyone impose on you what they think is best for you, and don’t wait on people’s approval to love whom you want to love.

At the outset, have done and truly hope to again.

Dante, I agree with you that the mere phrasing of the question exhibits prejudice. However, let us not pretend that the prejudice does not exist!

We who could give 2 shits about how a girl was born are in the extreme minority, and i suspect that is what the OP was getting at. Contrasting the hypocrisy of those who visit a site like this with the subset who would actually "own" that choice in the harsh glare of the public.

I can speak from my own workplace, which is very gay friendly, but when a transgendered person comes across our desk all sorts of horrible things are said. I find myself thinking, my manager is openly gay 10/20 years ago awful things would have been said about him in our office, but here he is committing the same offence with respect to the transgendered....

People, on average, are shallow and without insight. That is why the prejudice still exists, and why it is reasonable to ask the question "who among you TS admirers would actually date a TS girl?".

Sad but true

[Willie Escalade]

would, have and will.
This right here.

[MHarrigan82]

Currently dating one right now. Today will mark 3 months that we have been dating.

[danthepoetman]

Although I totally agree with your statement and find the question repetitive and overused [there always seems to be a post with this or similar worded questions] I think the REAL question is how many girls on here would date one of the members on here? I'm a cynic and I believe most of the girls on here see the members here as a means to an end. Cash cows if you will. I'll use Bailey Jay as an example. I've read on here on more than one occasion that she is repulsed by "cock hounds" and thinks her admirers/fans are gay or closet fags. Even Ally Sinclair [whom I adore] but whom also I've never seen on here on any sort of a regular basis was on just recently to promote her new website. Kelly Shore, Liberty Harkness, Wendy Summers, Nikka [and a few others that I can't remember at the moment] are the select "few" who seem to actually interact with the members on here for reasons other than trying to make a buck. Alas, most use this site for self promotion and care nothing about it's members only about what's in our wallets.

I see your point and it would indeed be nice to formally ask the question to the girls. Then again I think many of them are answering it on a day to day basis. As you mentioned, we have Wendy, Kelly and Liberty with us on a very regular basis, but many others too, like the lovely Dita, Tyler Durden, Loren, Amber Sky, Adriana, Jaimie French, Trish, Nikka, Natina, Jizelle, Tatiana, Michelle Austin, Tempest, Erika, Amy Daly, Wendy Williams, Bella and many, many more whom I should mention (but am not awaken enough for their names to come to my mind, having sipped only one coffee thus far this morning and remaining in a daze… :)zzzz!). They all have their personalities and particularities of temperament or character, of course. Some of them are more private, reserved, guarded or simply timid than others, like for instance Aly Sinclair, whom I talked to and who’s very, very sweet and doesn’t have any problem talking to her fans, believe me. You know that only about 1 in 10 members is a really active participant on this forum; not every guy wishes and/or is able or find fun to actively participate in the conversations; of course, it has to be the same for the girls.
As to the girls who come on here mainly to advertise their product well, we all have to make a living; Hung Angel is a porn site after all, not a communitarian exchange forum. And I find that we’re still very fortunate to find these ladies always ready to respond to each and every one of us when they do present their new stuff (Jonana Jet comes to mind, and the adorable newbie Jordan Jay, Tara Emory, and many more I can’t remember yet :)zzzzz!).
That would be my take on this, but am I missing your point, Sulka bewitched me ?

[danthepoetman]

I realize I also forgot to mention Evon Rose and Ryder Monroe, for instance, cute little Astryl, Qwerty94, and how many more? I find myself blessed to be a member here and to have the privilege of exchanging with so many lovely t-girls. But once again, maybe I’m totally missing your point…

[Prospero]

This thread still running? Okay - for the sake of those who can't plough through all the previous posts and who might be the least bit interested - yes i would, yes i have and yes I will.

[danthepoetman]

This thread still running? Okay - for the sake of those who can't plough through all the previous posts and who might be the least bit interested - yes i would, yes i have and yes I will.
Yep. Exactly, Prospero.


At the outset, have done and truly hope to again.

Dante, I agree with you that the mere phrasing of the question exhibits prejudice. However, let us not pretend that the prejudice does not exist!

We who could give 2 shits about how a girl was born are in the extreme minority, and i suspect that is what the OP was getting at. Contrasting the hypocrisy of those who visit a site like this with the subset who would actually "own" that choice in the harsh glare of the public.

I can speak from my own workplace, which is very gay friendly, but when a transgendered person comes across our desk all sorts of horrible things are said. I find myself thinking, my manager is openly gay 10/20 years ago awful things would have been said about him in our office, but here he is committing the same offence with respect to the transgendered....

People, on average, are shallow and without insight. That is why the prejudice still exists, and why it is reasonable to ask the question "who among you TS admirers would actually date a TS girl?".

Sad but true
You’re right, freedom. Because of narrowness and prejudice, the question is not irrelevant, and I was not coming down on the OP. But I find we guys on this site should be the first ones to just completely ignore these attitudes and talk and act the way we see fit. We’re on the first line of those who might help things change.

[freedom]

agree Dante agree

[iswallowdeep]

Yes I would love to

[in10sive]

i would "see" one, but never long-term.

[TempestTS]

I see your point and it would indeed be nice to formally ask the question to the girls. Then again I think many of them are answering it on a day to day basis. As you mentioned, we have Wendy, Kelly and Liberty with us on a very regular basis, but many others too, like the lovely Dita, Tyler Durden, Loren, Amber Sky, Adriana, Jaimie French, Trish, Nikka, Natina, Jizelle, Tatiana, Michelle Austin, Tempest, Erika, Amy Daly, Wendy Williams, Bella and many, many more whom I should mention (but am not awaken enough for their names to come to my mind, having sipped only one coffee thus far this morning and remaining in a daze… :)zzzz!). They all have their personalities and particularities of temperament or character, of course. Some of them are more private, reserved, guarded or simply timid than others, like for instance Aly Sinclair, whom I talked to and who’s very, very sweet and doesn’t have any problem talking to her fans, believe me. You know that only about 1 in 10 members is a really active participant on this forum; not every guy wishes and/or is able or find fun to actively participate in the conversations; of course, it has to be the same for the girls.
As to the girls who come on here mainly to advertise their product well, we all have to make a living; Hung Angel is a porn site after all, not a communitarian exchange forum. And I find that we’re still very fortunate to find these ladies always ready to respond to each and every one of us when they do present their new stuff (Jonana Jet comes to mind, and the adorable newbie Jordan Jay, Tara Emory, and many more I can’t remember yet :)zzzzz!).
That would be my take on this, but am I missing your point, Sulka bewitched me ?

Sanity you're a Madman...

[danthepoetman]

Tempest, I admit I sometime try to be as clever as Houdini. :)

[robertlouis]

What I find interesting from the replies here is that it's clear that for a great many guys on HA any form of relationship or even simple sex with a transgirl remains a distant and unfulfilled fantasy. I'm lucky. Personal circumstances led me to be closely involved in the transition of a male friend whom I'd known from university days, culminating last year in her asking me to give her away in her civil partnership ceremony - one of the proudest days of my life. I've subsequently gone on to form a loving relationship with a post-op girl from Singapore, again not down any escorting route, but because we worked together on a company merger and quite simply fell in love. It could therefore be a case of where you start from. I could just as easily be with a genetic girl, but the person I fell for just happened to be trans. That's all there is to it.

[TempestTS]

Tempest, I admit I sometime try to be as clever as Houdini. :)


Straight Jackets - you just became dating material... I just gotta find my grinder and staple gun again and we can go out...

[danthepoetman]

Staple gun? Grinder? Are you taking me to a political meeting? Are we going to cook hamburgers and staple posters? Although it’s tempting, Tempest, I must say it’s not like me to get involved in such dirty business… ;)

[Steve-Oh]

I had a wonderful date last night with my beautiful showgirl friend.

She got a nice deep massage and then I poked my Gene Simmons tongue in & out of her pristine funhole while stroking her fat cock for her.

She then turned around and took my fatness between her lips for some soothing head.
I then turned her over, stood at the edge of her bed and plowed apart her luxurious ass lips until I was about to bust.

We were sweating buckets as we breathlessly said all kinds of endearing things to each other like "what a fucking hot ass", "Gimme your fat cock in my tight ass". Good lord, her sphincter could crack my knuckle, I could barely fit my dick in her!

She sat back up, put my throbbing boner back in her mouth and jacked herself off to completion. Just as I was about to bust a nut, she finished me off on her perfect tits! Hot Elmer's Glue that shone in the dark.

It seemed like we were only at it for a few minutes but an hour went by for us.

Now that's a good date!

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

I can't believe my loyalty here would even be questioned. I've been a member since 2008. And, I have been working my hardest to design, develop and shoot and produce my own scenes. Yea, I was busy. Imagine that. Seriously, you have no idea, Sulka.



Although I totally agree with your statement and find the question repetitive and overused [there always seems to be a post with this or similar worded questions] I think the REAL question is how many girls on here would date one of the members on here? I'm a cynic and I believe most of the girls on here see the members here as a means to an end. Cash cows if you will. I'll use Bailey Jay as an example. I've read on here on more than one occasion that she is repulsed by "cock hounds" and thinks her admirers/fans are gay or closet fags. Even Ally Sinclair [whom I adore] but whom also I've never seen on here on any sort of a regular basis was on just recently to promote her new website. Kelly Shore, Liberty Harkness, Wendy Summers, Nikka [and a few others that I can't remember at the moment] are the select "few" who seem to actually interact with the members on here for reasons other than trying to make a buck. Alas, most use this site for self promotion and care nothing about it's members only about what's in our wallets.

[GrimFusion]

I can't believe my loyalty here would even be questioned. I've been a member since 2008. And, I have been working my hardest to design, develop and shoot and produce my own scenes. Yea, I was busy. Imagine that. Seriously, you have no idea, Sulka.

It was a stupid accusation anyway, Aly. HA isn't just some independent transgender forum; it's owned and administrated by Grooby which means that first and foremost HA is a medium for the promotion of Grooby material, a means for self-promotion... and then a place for discussion and pic threads.

I can't believe anyone would suggest that there's a need to prove loyalty to this forum or it's members in any regard whatsoever. That's retarded.

[danthepoetman]

As far as I’m concerned, it would just be: “LOVELY ALY SINCLAIR FOR PRESIDENT!"
:dancing:

[sissichef38]

I would find it a true honor and a privledge to date a ts. They're just like any other woman, and most of the time wayyy more beautiful! They're also better than gg's because 1) they have the distinct advantage of knowing what they want and having the inner courage and strength to change things to make them right, and 2) they are the best of both worlds because they REALLY and truly know what a man really wants and can please him/or can please a woman in more than one way. So I do feel sad sometimes because so many men treat ts girls like meat due to the overexposure of sex/adult websites.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Thank you, Grim, for your info. That one I did not associated with them. I just thought they got preferential treatment and I'm fine with that.

Anyway, President, yea, I want that. :D I want to make things right for all. It's about time. Cheers, Dan!

[Special42]

I have before and I would again.

[Dino Velvet]

If she (http://losangeles.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/sexy-and-beautiful-ts-jane-out-of-town-new-video-19/22572240) would go out for pie and coffee I would gladly treat her.

http://images1.backpage.com/imager/u/large/57068595/IMG_1705.jpg

[Vic]

I'm curious about the mentality of a T-girl, that is, there's got to be a big clash of both male, and female hormones! If she's young, and sexually ready, she would probably be willing to fuck everything in town?!? And while that sounds like a bad thing, from a man's perspective looking to hit it, and quit, it wouldn't be bad! But from a long term committed relationship as you guys ask, I can't see it happening? Am I wrong, or are there T-girls who have invested money in the change, and the hormone drugs that would be willing to hang in there with one dude for the long haul? I've often wondered about this, I don't know what longevity T-girls have, and I read, and have heard that lifespan isn't as long for a transitioned woman.

Next is the lifestyle; is she escorting, dancing in a club, doing porn, or is she mainstream, if she's been lucky enough to get a regular job, and dealing with the ridicule of society. Now the man has to be strong enough to deal with the ridicule that the T-girl is going through; does it really work, and oh yeah, there's the investment of staying a T-girl, drugs, treatments, etc.? Curiosity has the better of me, can anyone elaborate?

Thanks,

Vic

[Jackal]

Damn DV, do you know her?

TS JANE MARIE ONE WORD WOW! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwCZWTjNaH8&feature=related)

[anshu4uf]

I would love to If i find one who is not bitchy...looking for versatile tgirl...anyone out there..

[lickiner]

Show me a t-gurl not in it just for the escorting $ and I'll show you a t-gurl I would date seriously. The fact that so many gg's give up their femininity in today's soiciety for the sake of outdoing men ...and right here we have so many beautiful t-gurls who want to be feminine. Women = femininity = (fulltime) t-gurl ...I think it's a no brainer, bring it on!

So I guess I should show you my picture then... :joke:

[Gonzo718]

I have, I do, I will again. I've been lucky n unlucky. I've been called a TS dater, which I prefer over TS chaser. I also prefer mainstream girls cause I do have a career and vampire hours is a conflict of interest... I don't bottom I top only.

[dc_guy_75]

I've been in San Francisco for two weeks and I've gone out on 4 dates already with different transwomen. All the dates have been good, and there hasn't been anyone to give us even a second look.

Trans-people seem to be everywhere in SF, this city is freaking awesome.

[fireblad]

i have and i would! end of.

[lickiner]

I've been in San Francisco for two weeks and I've gone out on 4 dates already with different transwomen.

Okay DC_Guy, that's quite a prowess you have there with the trans-women! Inquiring minds want to know where/how did you meat them? ...Match.com? TS Dating.com? bars? And I presume these were social dates not escort dates. :confused:

[dc_guy_75]

Two were from OKCupid, one from FetLife, and one (the one I like the most) I met at Divas (not working) where we went out to a diner afterward, and we're still in touch. To my knowledge, none of these women escorted and all four work professional, white-collar jobs.

Maybe because I'm a new guy in town, but my dating schedule has never been so busy in my life.

I haven't slept with any of them, and I'm only interested in 2 of them. Maybe on the second or third date, hopefully.

Note: I have absolutly no "prowess" with transwomen whatsoever, I just treat them like I would any other female I was interested in.

[lickiner]

Two were from OKCupid, one from FetLife, and one...I met at Divas...where we went out to a diner afterward...

So I take it OKCupid & FetLife are dating sites, if so I'll find em online. Divas? ...nightclub?

Thanx DC_Guy for the tips!

[theoryman]

I have. Several before I found the right one.

6 years and counting with the same gurl.

Still friends with the ex's

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[Jackal]

OK Cupid is like a cross between a dating site and a personality test/social network. There is no option for transgender/transwoman but there are quite a few transwoman on the site. I had the pleasure of meeting some really wonderful ladies on transgender date, a completely free dating site.

[clevelandswabbie]

i would date a Tgirl...u bet...a real healthy girl from Warren just was @ my grocery @ the corner...i joined her site...much, much prettier in everyday life...i'm going nutz! oh boy!

[clevelandswabbie]

good job...it matters i think @ 3AM who is on my mind...my first find is Janey...

[clevelandswabbie]

there's some hassles for me...since i'm new at this. yeah first timer...but my goofs are unintentional & not really me. it's fun...taboos? i live on the Canadian Border and mature opinions are all over...

[Slipnslide]

At the risk of breathing life into a debate that should have died gracefully - if the right girl came along, then ... hell, yes. Who knows how it would turn out, but every relationship is an adventure.

[tflix]

I would love to go out with a Tgirl in NYC I'm available LADIES MESSAGE me picnics bar dates all that stuff and good dick I can't seem to find one

[Autumn516]

i dated a girl thats in transition for about 4 years...pretty much the best girl i've ever known...

[Jericho]

I could find one that isn't batshit crazy, I'd think about it again! :shrug

[mfpanicfan73]

I did for 5 years, it was a great relationship, I love her to this day.

[RallyCola]

I could find one that isn't batshit crazy, I'd think about it again! :shrug

don't you mean if you could find one that doesn't think you are batshit crazy?

in all honesty...the question should not be if a guy would date a TS...it should be does the forum member think they can attract a transwoman.

[Autumn516]

don't you mean if you could find one that doesn't think you are batshit crazy?

in all honesty...the question should not be if a guy would date a TS...it should be does the forum member think they can attract a transwoman.
thats one way to look at it...

[RallyCola]

thats one way to look at it...

and thank you for your 1 lined contribution.

[Autumn516]

and thank you for your 1 lined contribution.
surely....

[Hornyboy2013]

Well , I've been looking to date a ts , but it's very difficult. I'm in Bucks.. So if your available !

[gaysian71]

Are there really guys here who would not date a TS?

[Jericho]

don't you mean if you could find one that doesn't think you are batshit crazy?

No. :shrug

[KinkyDisaster]

It's complicated; but yes, I would.
I almost did. Dodged that bullet with her. :dancing:

[south ov da border]

I would... I already broke the ice with my family and people I know in openly stating that I'm open to it. I'm used to having not so normal relationships anyway so why the hell not

[RallyCola]

Are there really guys here who would not date a TS?

most men have no idea what the reality is of dating/marrying a transwoman so I'd bet that most men are all talk when it comes to dating them. There is fantasy of what it would be like to befriend and be intimate with a transwoman but that is often in stark contrast to the reality of it. moreover, you are asking a forum of men brought here by or for porn most of which have never met a real transwoman....so...to answer your question...yes...there are many men here that would never date a transwoman even if they claim they would in the safety of a chat board.

[Autumn516]

most men have no idea what the reality is of dating/marrying a transwoman so I'd bet that most men are all talk when it comes to dating them. There is fantasy of what it would be like to befriend and be intimate with a transwoman but that is often in stark contrast to the reality of it. moreover, you are asking a forum of men brought here by or for porn most of which have never met a real transwoman....so...to answer your question...yes...there are many men here that would never date a transwoman even if they claim they would in the safety of a chat board.
took the words right out of my mouth...
most guys just see it as a fantasy..but would not make it a reality...
i feel you really have to be true to yourself and others around you...

[Steele67]

I would have no problem dating or having a long term relationship with a TS. My family is open enough to say you care about who you care about. As long as they make me happy I and my family would welcome them with open arms.

[red-cyberman]

I am dating my first TS and she's amazing. When I am with her I am the happiest person ever. I adore her. it's been 32 days when we first met and started dating.

[richyyy]

I wouldn't actively search for a TS woman, no. If I met an attractive girl with an awesome personality, where we mutually clicked and enjoyed each others company then the fact they are TS wouldn't matter so much. It's the person you fall in love with. (Cheesier than a double cheese pizza right there!)

There are so many factors it's impossible to know how you'd react there and then. Otherwise it's all hypothetical.

[Ben]

How many guys here would actually DATE a TS?

Yes, I would.

[BLKGSXR]

Never again, end of the day they still look at you as a chaser or gay, so Might as well just fuck as many as I can in the meantime.

[jamie4u]

when i was in Dallas i dated a hot top girl Carmen del Rio. Sadly she moved to Fl and i move to Phx.

[be2378]

I would.

[lordworm]

Sure, why not? I don't really care what society thinks of me.

[BlüeKarma]

I would have to meet one first. And I don't think I'd run right out and immediately start dating, I'd have to get to know them more on a friendzone level and then ease them into everyone in my life and then if there's chemistry then the dating in earnest could start.

[mrLemon]

Can see both arguments, and think it's a personal choice,
Yes I would, if the chemistry is right and accepting of each other then why not!
Just like any relationship no????

[North323]

I would very much like to date a TS. I dated one for about a month. I wanted to introduce her to my family and she broke up with me. She didnt want the hassle. It does not bother me one bit what others think.

[bluesoul]

most men have no idea what the reality is of dating/marrying a transwoman so I'd bet that most men are all talk when it comes to dating them. There is fantasy of what it would be like to befriend and be intimate with a transwoman but that is often in stark contrast to the reality of it. moreover, you are asking a forum of men brought here by or for porn most of which have never met a real transwoman....so...to answer your question...yes...there are many men here that would never date a transwoman even if they claim they would in the safety of a chat board.

exactly this

another thing about this question is that it's phrased like a challenge. when a lot of these guys answer this question, they're only considering transsexuals that escort or do porn- so their perspective is already distorted.

also, i love the 43 pages of guys saying they would yet the almost zero results from the personals forum (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/forumdisplay.php?f=8)

[trannypornjerker]

I am in a relationship with a ts girl currently.

[SFlare]

Don't get your hopes up boys im not in the market 4 a man :P
BUT I AM curious to see who here would consider being in a serious long term committed relationship with a TS! Post your pictures... maybe some girls on here ARE looking for someone. And fot those of you who would NOT date a TS, post your reasons!

if she had a small member, or was post op, sure.

[Transtech]

i would date a ts of course i was in a relationship with a girl for about a year but that was in about 02 back than it seemed it was easier to meet girls online due to chat rooms and such now a whole lot harder there seems to be a stigma about guys going to trans clubs to meet girls and no where online unless you pay too much money to meet a bunch of girls escorting not that i have a problem with that but i am not looking for an escort on a dating site that is what escort sites are for.But enough of my rant simply put yes i would

[Infern0]

I have done twice, one was a good relationship, a lot of fun, she was my best friend too. But the sad thing was work broke us up, It's weird we still talk on facebook, and she wants me to move to get back with her. I want to but my job is sadly too important. It's a difficult situation but it's weird if i could get a transfer i think we'd get straight back together.

If people want to know what it's like well I can tell you that relationship was the best one i have had with GG or Tg, we were both into pretty much the same stuff, a lot of geeky stuff like video games, anime etc (not into that as much) we had so much fun when we had the flat to ourselves, nobody actually knew for a while so we had the whole fun keeping it secret, almost getting caught etc, a lot of laughs and good memories there. Then we just came clean with it, nobody cared which was cool but i didn't care anyway.

we lived with our best friends who were also a couple, then sadly she finished uni, needed to get a job in the medical field away from where we were living, and i was stuck here. Tried to do the distance thing but it didn't work out. I think maybe one day we will get back together.


Relationship 2 was quite by accident when i hooked up with a girl from a local club we always used to go to, and tried dating etc but it didn't work out as she was kinda unstable.. messy that was.

But i guess it's like anything, it's all about finding the right person. Laura (1st girl) was right for me, and DAMN i miss her

[Paulie-Cumz]

yeah why not never know
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[cravingtgirls]

Of course! Its a matter of finding the right person! Too bad I cant seem to find a ts that wants to date

[MrFanti]

Perhaps the question should be:

"How many Transgender women would actually date a guy here on this forum?":p:p:p

[mrLemon]

Am posting this as an update, am still ina rerelationship but now with my wife!! How things change!?

[THEbottom]

If she were a top of course I would---as a matter of fact it would be my preference.

[CaptainPlanet]

If she were a top of course I would---as a matter of fact it would be my preference.

With a name like "THEbottom" you just had to let that one BE KNOWN!

[svartekaptenen]

I do, we have been going out for a few years, her name is Jenny and she has magnificent homegrown boobies and since I being a titman that is pure bliss.

[francisfkudrow]

I have an trans fwb, but it looks like were moving towards actually dating.

[okcboi]

I would but its hard to fin one the wants a relationship in the dfw

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I would. I was talking to a girl for a while, but we lived far away from one another. She was nice, but I couldn't give her the kind of time she wanted. I stopped talking to her, but still think of her once in a while.

If I met the right girl, we would make it work.

[sz1122]

Don't get your hopes up boys im not in the market 4 a man :P
BUT I AM curious to see who here would consider being in a serious long term committed relationship with a TS! Post your pictures... maybe some girls on here ARE looking for someone. And fot those of you who would NOT date a TS, post your reasons!



I do a lot of traveling for work and have asked a few TS ladies out for dinner or drinks. So far, no takers but I certainly will keep trying845884

[BJ4TS]

I would date someone who may happen to be a TS, but, not because she was one. If you get my drift. as far as dating, it's the same as anyone else, it would just depend on our chemistry.

[Brandi Boots]

If you were dating a TS, how do you think your close friends would react?

[sz1122]

If you were dating a TS, how do you think your close friends would react?

Thats an interesting question. My close friends would be understanding and supportive, That is why they are close friends. I'm sure I may have some questions from some not so close friends

[nitron]

What if you're a poor guy? Would it be in the ,"would you date category...", or do we need a new criteria? It seems to me , tgirl dating and gg dating aren't that different.

[sockratees]

I absolutely would. My real issue is that I find it difficult to connect with most girls(cis or trans) on an intellectual level, and am very introverted.

[sockratees]

Perhaps the question should be:

"How many Transgender women would actually date a guy here on this forum?":p:p:p

Yeah, good question. But as mentioned previously, a lot of guys here have abounding preconceptions about what dating a trans woman actually entails, and I imagine that can be extremely annoying.

[Skye]

Don't get your hopes up boys im not in the market 4 a man :P
BUT I AM curious to see who here would consider being in a serious long term committed relationship with a TS! Post your pictures... maybe some girls on here ARE looking for someone. And fot those of you who would NOT date a TS, post your reasons!

I've noticed guys (at least here) are notorious for only being interested in a TS who looks like a supermodel. I guess I'm a solid example. I've never been hit on by, well, any guy. Maybe it's because I'm not passable, I don't know.

[Chuck Davis]

RubyTS, are you serious with that question?

[kdrob07]

Date a TS?? Does having a live-in TS common law wife/GF/ lover mean I qualifiy?

[Wendy Summers]

Perhaps the question should be:

"How many Transgender women would actually date a guy here on this forum?":p:p:p

Does it count that I learned after the fact that a guy I dated briefly before getting into adult entertainment frequents here?

[Wendy Summers]

Date a TS?? Does having a live-in TS common law wife/GF/ lover mean I qualifiy?

I have one thing to say to that: :banana::banana::banana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY

[Huevos_Rancheros]

I've been thinking about this topic a lot lately since I've been with only TS over the last 5 years. I think I'm open to the idea with some caveats:

1. She has to have a day job so prostitution isn't her source of income.
2. She has to be full-time TS.
3. She has to have a nice cock.

Beyond that, the same rules of dating a gg apply to dating a ts. Do we get along, have common values, etc.

One question I've discussed with several ts is when will a celebrity come out as having a relationship with a ts? That is the last frontier to be crossed. For the nation to admit not just that ts exist, but that it is ok to be public with your feelings for a ts.

[dreamon]

One question I've discussed with several ts is when will a celebrity come out as having a relationship with a ts?

Kris Jenner? :D

[pariahsan]

I would not hesitate to date or be in a long-term relationship with a transsexual. In fact, I'd welcome it!

[Kioji]

I have issues with dating in general due to my high standards especially for personality and habits(Don't get me wrong I'm shallow too). Generally I'm pretty attracted to trans women even some that don't pass that well to some people.
Pretty popular with the (cis) ladies but i think due to my height(5'3) I'm not really what most trans women are look for, plus i'm a college student who works a minimum wage job probably not the type of boyfriend most trans girls are looking for either even the transgirls my age seem to be a lot more picky on that front.
Also not white so that's probably a big no for a lot of girls
Just depends on if i'm compatible I'm not an easy person to date but I'm pro-lgbt, smart and open about my attraction so I feel i'll get lucky someday.

[NatIce]

Have done it and would do it again. Not available for dating right now but would not hesitate to date a TS seriously. Back in my dating years I contemplated what it would feel like to make the introduction to my parents but because I am such an assertive hardcore alpha male my parents would never, ever have the guts to question my judgment about something like this. Certainly not to my face at least. They know I would be perfectly comfortable cutting cut out anyone in my life who couldn't keep up -- yes, family included. One awkward showing and that'd be it. I never actually got far enough into a relationship to do this in my dating years (and at that time I had a lousy relationship with my parents anyway) but I wondered if I would be nervous, scared to have that conversation, and yes, maybe at one time. But then I quickly realized I don't need people to agree with me to enjoy myself and even enjoy them and I think that socialization is really the thrust of your question, right?

[NatIce]

One thing to add. I have a Brazilian colleague at the office who, after a round or two of drinks, will start evangelizing the joys of TS sex in a totally, admirably un-self-conscious way. As in, topic 1 is Obamacare and he somehow finds a way for topic 2 to become graphic TS sex anecdotes. The first time or two people teased him and it was a little uncomfortable / weird because how are you supposed to respond to that in a mixed social setting around people you know professionally for the most part (that is, the group may be half work friends and half just people you see at work)? I'm surprised to say that in a rather conservative, male dominated industry after a time or two people just laughed it off and indulged him and chalked it up to his being an all around horndog and eccentric to begin with.

[Nortibottom]

Yes i would as im very open with my family bout all things in my life, i have had serious relationships with a t-girls before and had several visits to there and my parents homes, was awkward first time when i started sucking one of my ex's cock she was rock hard and starting to shoot when her dad knocked on door and was about to walk in, luckily she locked the door, reckon he may have freaked out at that sight haha, plus when i get fucked i tend to moan very loudly apparently, any way im off the point a bit, but yeah no probs dating a t-girl :)

[jami3ferrari]

I think lotta guys would but the question is would the girl date the guy ? From what I seen lotta girls are picky and lotta guys play games so either way it's a tough situation

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

i know i might get flammed for saying this but i'll be honest

i wouldnt steady date a ts maybe a post op but that's a big maybe

[wearboots4me]

I would. I'm not getting my hopes up though, it seems like transgirls are more interested in each other than in us guys.

[shushu]

I would, if she is not manly, crossdresser or transvestite or Cathyn Jenner. Actually if she is feminine and looks good I would love to take such transgirl gently, while milking her during giving a prostate massage.

[btmslut2014]

Hi all, I'm new here, but just wanted to add my 2 cents...

For me, I'd love to date a TS. I had a short fling when I was much younger with a wonderful transgirl. We still catch up every so often, and have stayed friends since. It couldn't have worked back then because I was young, dumb and insecure. Now that I've matured somewhat, I think I have another roadblock to dating a TS: I'm a crossdresser and I love to bottom. I dated a precious few cis women that were cool with it (my current gf uses dildos on me, but XDing is a no-go...). Most of the TS ladies I've come across over the years didn't seem to want anything to do with either. My friend to me she had tried topping in the past but didn't care for it. She then said that while she would be willing to do it if her partner wanted it, but she was worried then he wouldn't think of her as a woman. I understand both points. Hell, I don't much care for topping male partners (though I fully enjoy it with women!). IMHO, I think some TS ladies see topping as a "male activity," and like my friend, think that by topping a male it makes them less feminine. I'm sure many are completely comfortable with it, but I just haven't been fortunate enough to come across them.

Ok, that was more long-winded than I meant. lol

TL;DR: I've got my own kinks, and getting it in the butt is a big one, so anyone I date has to be into it, whether they come factory equipped with a dick or have to strap one on. It limits the dating pool somewhat, but there's no sense in pursuing a relationship with someone you're not compatible with sex-wise.

If you read this far, you're a trooper :D

[trymenow88]

I would ... and did ... date a t-gurl for a year until she moved back to her native country. Tender, kind and loving and maybe due to her Asian heritage - who knows. Since she wasn't lucky enuff to be born female, she always embraced a woman's femininity and culture to the extreme. Met her sister (GG), but all other family outside of the US. A rare find, for sure.

[StreaMER]

I was almost married to a TGirl. Didn't work out in the end. That's how I got into this world.

[taranjohn180]

I honestly want to but I don't know of any that live up by me... :(

[emoney]

I wouldn't have any problem with dating a ts but I live in southeast new mexico and as far as I know theres only about a one in a million chance of meeting one around here.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I would. I am not ashamed of my sexual interests. I can't help what I like. I don't really see myself dating anyone in the foreseeable future, either GG or TG. I am getting my business life together these days and honestly don't need the distraction. But, I would honestly love to have a special someone in my life. The problem is, I don't trust relationships and don't particularly trust people, so that can be a problem.

[varmkille]

I'll admit i could only do it in secret.... I'm ashamed of my sex pref but i would not hesitate a min to get intimate with one if it was discreet :P

[gaiseric]

You're a sad person. Why be ashamed of your sexual preferences, it's no-one else's business

[simonisthebest]

You're a sad person. Why be ashamed of your sexual preferences, it's no-one else's business

ashamed because of his family & friends reaction & i would be too...

dating a TS is a difficult thing to do on a daily basis , u gotta assume the circumstances that come along with it

its not the usual gay Relationship

[gaiseric]

Surely if his 'friends' react against him, then they were never true friends. Does it really matter what your family think - you don't choose your family but you do choose your friends - choose new ones.

I was possibly lucky. My parents were fanatical Jehovah's Witnesses so I got the full extent of their bigotry and ignored it. I told my lady and she thought it was hilarious. Also all of my close friends, plus most of the people I worked with before I retired, know about my preferences and they couldn't care less - many have been totally supportive.

The alternative is to keep it a big dark secret which will eventually screw you up even more than if you were open about it.

[gaiseric]

I also see that the forum is still full of people who live their lives carrying around a big dark secret and trying to keep it hidden from everyone. What a waste!

[francisfkudrow]

I've noticed guys (at least here) are notorious for only being interested in a TS who looks like a supermodel. I guess I'm a solid example. I've never been hit on by, well, any guy. Maybe it's because I'm not passable, I don't know.

If you lived closer to me, I would TOTALLY hit on you. You're a cutie!

[passiveguy]

I would , love to.
Where in the best place to meet a TS?
Any TS interested in chatting please send a private message.
I live in London , single , early 40s , attractive , warm , considerate and love enjoying life.

[brackus]

The benefts of dating a TS, get tested out and be able to bareback safely...Imagine dating Suzanna Holms and been able to take and receive without a condom?

[SXFX]

This is by far the dumbest thread ever! I was just out last night with my TG GF....ok we've been only together for like a few weeks so i wouldn't call her my GF yet but...yeah so what...we went out to the movies cuddled in for a nice show and then went out for dinner and drinks......so what? i enjoy holding her hand when we walk around and i love it when she runs her fingers around my shaved head when we are sitting and watching movies be it at my house or in the theater.
Be happy and accept your wants and needs. And respect others for who and what they are.

[SXFX]

Does it count that I learned after the fact that a guy I dated briefly before getting into adult entertainment frequents here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

[MrFanti]

The basic rule of compatible outside of the bedroom is universally applicable - regardless of age or sex.....

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I would.

[tacocorp]

Would and will and I see no problem in marriage either if everything goes great. In my opinion it's like asking if you'd date a woman. :)
Happy New Year to everyone.

[crystalsopen]

The benefts of dating a TS, get tested out and be able to bareback safely...Imagine dating Suzanna Holms and been able to take and receive without a condom?

Sounds fun, but actually liking someone as a person is essential to a happy long term relationship.

[crystalsopen]

If a guy has actually dated one of us, then it probably does seem a little silly. I've been several guys first t-girl (I use the phrase training wheels tranny), and at first they as questions like this. A better question is: would you date a T-girl sex worker. That adds another level of complication to a relationship.

[othello]

I would.It would depend on personality and chemistry for me.Pretty much just like dating a genetic girl.Now as to dating a T-girl sex worker I don't know about that I don't like to share.

[Dima73]

Absolutely! Just depends on the chemistry.

[SXFX]

If a guy has actually dated one of us, then it probably does seem a little silly. I've been several guys first t-girl (I use the phrase training wheels tranny), and at first they as questions like this. A better question is: would you date a T-girl sex worker. That adds another level of complication to a relationship.

hum....like a cam girl or a "working girl"
cam girl i'm 10000% ok with.
a girl who even did porn i would be ok with.

A "working girl" hum......i don't think so

[holzz]

Sounds fun, but actually liking someone as a person is essential to a happy long term relationship.

I would.

I think imho all men into TSs should seriously consider it. If at the very least an FWB, or some other non-paid/escort relationship.

Just seems dishonest to only use TSs for sex, no group of humans should be imho, best to go the full hog, and date one.

[kolo]

I would definitely date a TG (TS). And I can honestly say, that its not because some fetish (extra private part, no offense) or trying for new kicks or anything. If i can or will date a TG, it would be because we 'click'. Because we both make each other feels loved and comfortable.

[nysprod]

I would.

I think imho all men into TSs should seriously consider it. If at the very least an FWB, or some other non-paid/escort relationship.

Just seems dishonest to only use TSs for sex, no group of humans should be imho, best to go the full hog, and date one.

FWB does involve cash...what else would the benefits be.

Two things you want to watch out for when you're considering getting involved:

If they're on prescription hormones as well as self medicating, you're going to be facing some very wild mood swings and unpleasant episodes.

Some of them are obsessed with "fixing" themselves even if they look gorgeous already...in all probability that girl is never gonna be happy with herself, and it can potentially end up costing you some major dollars.

[holzz]

FWB does involve cash...what else would the benefits be.

Two things you want to watch out for when you're considering getting involved:

If they're on prescription hormones as well as self medicating, you're going to be facing some very wild mood swings and unpleasant episodes.

Some of them are obsessed with "fixing" themselves even if they look gorgeous already...in all probability that girl is never gonna be happy with herself, and it can potentially end up costing you some major dollars.

The benefits are sex. nothing more than that.....why should it be money?

that said, this requires some commitment on some level, not just looking on an escort site or reading a classifieds papers, and seeing an escort once a month/week.

[holzz]

@crystalsopen I wouldn't date an escort. seems even hypocritical, but i wouldn't like it/would want more exclusivity (well yeah...it's not sex for love on her part, but meh..)

[nysprod]

The benefits are sex. nothing more than that.....why should it be money?

Cuz they don't need your sex benefits fool

[runningdownthatdream]

Cuz they don't need your sex benefits fool

Fuck, that's hilarious. Even though it's wrong to bust his fantasy.............maybe he's packing sexual dynamite and can deliver the benefits part.

[runningdownthatdream]

I'd date a TS woman - not an issue for me. I would date a sex worker, casually. Nothing serious though unless she had a planned path out of that line of work as i think sex as a job should just be a means to an end. To keep the work emotions segregated from the non-work emotions has got to be tremendously complicated or at least it SHOULD be complicated. The type of person I'd want a long-term relationship with shouldn't be burdened with those types of complications.

[nysprod]

I would date a sex worker, casually. Nothing serious though unless she had a planned path out of that line of work

The bf's benefits are gonna be the planned path out that line of work lol

[runningdownthatdream]

The bf's benefits are gonna be the planned path out that line of work lol

Shhhhhhh.......don't let Holzz hear you......

[belfast2]

I would, but it would have to depend on our chemistry together, her personality, etc. Basically, it's not something I'm going to seek out though, because, honestly, a girl with a penis is something of a fetish for me. I wouldn't be here otherwise. And I feel like that would be unfair to someone who dislikes that part of themselves, and me being turned on by it... yeah, not the healthiest foundation for a relationship. If I just happen to meet a Trans individual though, and we hit it off, why not?

[dreamon]

How, exactly, do you reconcile these two statements together?


Just seems dishonest to only use TSs for sex, no group of humans should be imho, best to go the full hog, and date one.


If at the very least an FWB, or some other non-paid/escort relationship.

[holzz]

How, exactly, do you reconcile these two statements together?

i don't see a contradiction. you realise friendships are not inherently about sex, and it's always been this way? i don't see FWB as using.

[dreamon]

i don't see a contradiction. you realise friendships are not inherently about sex, and it's always been this way? i don't see FWB as using.

The point of a friend with benefits is that you'll have sex without a commitment to more.

[nysprod]

i don't see a contradiction. you realise friendships are not inherently about sex, and it's always been this way? i don't see FWB as using.

Dude you are so out of it, it's ridiculous...friends with benefits means no bf-gf...you're fucking her in trade for benefits i.e. money

[CaptainPlanet]

Cuz they don't need your sex benefits fool
I have had many FWB that did not involve a dime, GG and TS, i always thought thats what the term meant.

[maxpower]

Yeah, prod, you're way off. FWB means sex with no strings attached - no relationship obligations. I'm pretty sure that fucking for trade or financial/material benefits is, and always was, known as whoring.