Bush continues to ignore Tibet

[chefmike]

Why isn't the US boycotting the summer Olympics in Bejing? Because our piece of shit joke of a president has sold us out to China to finance his big fucking lie in Iraq.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-rage22mar22,0,3779521.story?page=1

[BrendaQG]

A few reasons.

First
Economically we need China. They are the low cost reasonable quality workshop of our joint economy. As long as that economic relaity is in place it will keep our relations peaceful and cordial.

Second
The USA isn't boycotting the 08 Olympics is in hopes of getting the 2016 olympics here in Chicago. You can bet China will have allot of say in that decision.

It also bears repeating that the Dali Llama is not in favor of the violent protest that are happening. He is in favor of "meaningful autonomy" within China not independence (after all an independent Tibet might just become northern India if China hadn't taken it first). If the Dali Llama, head of Tibet's govt. in exile, does not want anything done who are we to contradict him?

[q1a2z3]

Bush was too much of a pussy to kill the enemy in the middle east. The Haliburton meal deal continues. The commies in china should have never got the Olympics, they should never have gotten most favored nation status, Americans should force our representatives to not trade with china.

[BrendaQG]

Water seeks the path of least resistance to it's lowest level.

The companies that produce consumer goods want to do it cheap and easy. The cheap part is actually a little less important than the easy part. In China we can get cheap easily produced consumer goods. Easier than making them here. Last I heard China was loosing trade and jobs to Indonesia for the same reason we lost those jobs to China. Their is no logic other than economics to it.

Just my opinion. Take it for a grain of salt.

[tstv_lover]

Water seeks the path of least resistance to it's lowest level.

The companies that produce consumer goods want to do it cheap and easy. The cheap part is actually a little less important than the easy part. In China we can get cheap easily produced consumer goods. Easier than making them here. Last I heard China was loosing trade and jobs to Indonesia for the same reason we lost those jobs to China. Their is no logic other than economics to it.

Just my opinion. Take it for a grain of salt.

You're right Brenda. Although China's economy is still growing rapidly, companies are now looking at other markets for low-cost labour - India, Indonesia, Vietnam amongst others. Western markets are keen to obtain products at lowest cost and overlook working conditions imposed in these countries.

As for Tibet, that's becoming a major dilemma for China. They want to show greater openness to international media but are faced with an uprising which seems aimed at highlighted Tibet's claim to independence. If China reacts too harshly, as it has in the past, then it gets slammed for human rights abuse. If it fails to address the issue then other areas in China might seek greater autonomy.

The world will be watching over the next 6 weeks.

[Cuchulain]

O well, Dubya hasn't done anything else right. Why should the Olympics be any different?

As far as cheap goods - the race to the bottom for workers' wages and conditions continues unabated.

[trish]

We need strong international unions, so that manufacturers have to pay a fair wage no matter where they go.

[chefmike]

It also bears repeating that the Dali Llama is not in favor of the violent protest that are happening. He is in favor of "meaningful autonomy" within China not independence (after all an independent Tibet might just become northern India if China hadn't taken it first). If the Dali Llama, head of Tibet's govt. in exile, does not want anything done who are we to contradict him?

He may have said that, you're misrepresenting what is currently going on between the Dalai Llama and China by just quoting that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK342692


http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=222ee962-4ead-4fbe-8fc8-b866973ba9ae&ParentID=eb3f07e9-403d-451c-9821-14448acee9e8&MatchID1=4664&TeamID1=5&TeamID2=2&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1173&MatchID2=4673&TeamID3=4&TeamID4=8&MatchType2=1&SeriesID2=1177&PrimaryID=4664&Headline=%e2%80%98All+freedom-lovers+worldwide+must+speak+out+against+China%e2%8 0%99+

[q1a2z3]

You got that right Trish!

In 1989 a seamstress in Honduras made 55 cents per hour and in 1999 she made 33 cents per hour. A textile trade magazine had the identical advertisement for Honduras textile production. The only difference in the ads was the cost of labor. The woman at the sewing machine was the same. The WTO is just a bunch of business owners. We need the WUO - world union organization that works to provide human rights, the best wages that don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and be vigilant to keep communists out of the union.


Chinas human rights violations mount faster than the second hand on a clock but every government in the world continues to fuel this nightmare country.

[chefmike]

US Debt to China

We don't know what happened on the streets and in the Buddhist monasteries of Tibet last night, but it is reasonable to assume that violence against monks and protesters continued. Last night's violence is not an isolated instance of human rights violations by the Chinese government. Why then was China conspicuous by its absence from the State Department's annual list of the world's most egregious human rights violators? Maybe because it is risky proposition to wag an accusing finger at your banker.

The U.S. is in an increasingly precarious position with China holding in excess of $1.4 trillion of our debt. Ask any one of the newly homeless Americans whether a banker can pull the rug out from under you when you're not looking. The answer is yes. In case you think I'm exaggerating, take a look at how easy it is for China to disrupt the American economy. In 2006, the U.S. dollar fell precipitously following a remark by a veteran Chinese official that China may reduce (in other words, sell) its holdings in U.S. Treasury bonds. To quote Indiana Senator Evan Bayh:

"It is not a sign of strength, it is not a sign of independence, it is not a sign of security when something as fundamental as the value of our money can be undermined by a slip of the tongue or a premeditated statement or rumor sweeping a foreign capital...That is not the sign of a great nation, it is a sign of dependency, of weakness."

U.S. debt to China is a national financial crisis and may well be an issue of national sovereignty. Economist Lawrence Summers coined a term for the precarious co-dependent relationship we find ourselves in with China, 'the balance of financial terror.' Economists and politicians assure us that China will never use U.S. debt as a bargaining chip. To do so would harm the Chinese economy as much as ours. These assurances do not help me sleep at night. Nor do they address my question as to whether U.S. financial dependence on China will, directly or indirectly, limit our options for responding to the human rights violations that likely took place in Tibet last night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-kaiser-greenland/american-and-chinese-cod_b_92193.html

[chefmike]

These brave people will no doubt be rounded up and imprisoned very soon:

Chinese Scholars Urge Dialogue With Dalai Lama

SHANGHAI, March 23 — A group of prominent Chinese intellectuals has circulated a petition urging the government to stop what it has called a “one-sided” propaganda campaign and initiate direct dialogue with the Dalai Lama.

The petition, which was signed by more than two dozen writers, journalists and scholars contains 12 recommendations which, taken together, represent a sharp break from the Chinese government’s response to the wave of demonstration that have swept Tibetan areas of the country in recent days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/world/asia/24china.html?em&ex=1206417600&en=e4a05bcf4c42d15b&ei=5087%0A

[El Nino]

Glad I don't live there. However, we the people need to stay on our toes here and make sure to keep things in check; due to our current, draconian governmental trends. Its a slippery slope my friend

[Oli]

These brave people will no doubt be rounded up and imprisoned very soon:

Chinese Scholars Urge Dialogue With Dalai Lama

SHANGHAI, March 23 — A group of prominent Chinese intellectuals has circulated a petition urging the government to stop what it has called a “one-sided” propaganda campaign and initiate direct dialogue with the Dalai Lama.

The petition, which was signed by more than two dozen writers, journalists and scholars contains 12 recommendations which, taken together, represent a sharp break from the Chinese government’s response to the wave of demonstration that have swept Tibetan areas of the country in recent days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/world/asia/24china.html?em&ex=1206417600&en=e4a05bcf4c42d15b&ei=5087%0A

Looks like the Chinese authorities are going in the other direction Mike.


China accuses Dalai Lama of being a terrorist

March 24, 2008

Jane Macartney in Beijing

Far from heeding international calls for dialogue with the Dalai Lama, China has accused Tibet’s exiled god-king of colluding with Muslim terrorists to destabilise the country before the Olympic Games.

State-run newspapers have issued prominent leading articles that are part of a campaign to portray the Dalai Lama as the mastermind of the deadly riots that have rippled through Tibet and ethnic Tibetan communities.

In Lhasa, the Tibetan capital, yesterday local TV issued the No 7 list of those most wanted in connection with the riots on March 10 in which Chinese officials say 22 people were killed, including a baby boy burnt to death in a garage and one paramilitary police officer.

The latest list included six women and one monk and brought to 45 the number of people the security forces were seeking. The police sent out text messages to all mobile phone users in Lhasa urging those involved to surrender and exhorting others to turn in rioters in return for a reward.


The Dalai Lama’s government-in-exile in the Indian town of Dharamsala has put the death toll at 99, comprising 80 in Lhasa and 19 shot dead as the violence spilt over into neighbouring provinces with a large Tibetan population.

China’s Communist rulers have presented the violence as a plot supported by only a minority of Tibetans. The People’s Daily said that the Dalai Lama had never abandoned violence after fleeing China in 1959 after a failed revolt against Beijing. “The Dalai Lama is scheming to take the Beijing Olympics hostage to force the Chinese Government to make concessions to Tibetan independence.”

It also accused Tibet’s spiritual leader of planning attacks with the aid of violent Uighur separatist groups seeking an independent East Turkestan for their largely Muslim people in the northwestern Xinjiang region of China. It said: “The Dalai clique has also strengthened collusion with East Turkestan terror organisations and planned terror activities in Tibet.”

The Dalai Lama described the accusations by China as baseless. He said yesterday: “I always support the Olympics should . . . take place in Beijing . . . so that more than one billion human beings, that means Chinese, they feel proud of it.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3607668.ece

[qeuqheeg222]

where are the wobblies?????????????????

[chefmike]

Ruthless campaign of cultural destruction


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/ruthless-campaign-of-cultural-destruction-796273.html