look from matt to krista full transformation

[MrsKellyPierce]

Hey I watched more of those clips of that girl who shares the same name as you "Kelly". That is so cool, I had no idea that trans women were getting in to the mainstream like that over there, I hope it is just the start of bigger things to come. I think it will take a while over here though. But that kicks ass, she is lovely :D OH yeah Kelly has been around since she was a kid on tv she transitioned at 16 and then got big when she did Big Brother.


SMASHY look I found a hot video for you..I hope it gets your prick hard :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtGARbEacZM


She's Post Op right? She is amazing! Not just looks wise but what she has achieved.

I guess your country must be more excepting that ours, maybe one day these dumbasses will get it too, heres hoping!

Maybe in five or so years there will be girls like her all over television.

She kind of reminds me of a young Britney actually.

And LOL again at the video :lol: Yeah she had her sexual reassignment surgery when she was 19.

Cool, she's very hot, esecially in a swimsuit:P We had a post op girl from Portugal win big brother too, she never really made it big though. She was a lovely person, just not quite as attractive as she is! Her name was Nadia.............. haha yeah I saw the clip of her when she won, she looked like she had down syndrome it was so cute.


Yeah, she does have quite a big head, and not in the ego sense of the world lol.

But she was really cool and kind of one the public over, but you never really see her now. She is the only famous TS in the UK ever I think! I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.


Smashy again you are going by PERCEPTION..if you didn't know we possessed what we had downstairs YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE SAYING THAT!! SO STFU...it's funny a legion of society have accepted transexuals that Aren't attracted to them, but someone that is can't GRASP WE ARE WOMEN IF MTF AND MEN if FTM. So god shut up already!

[lust4ts]

I'm What I am
You can take me or leave me..
I'd rather be Damned.

I'm What I am
There's a [b]woman[b/] in me
Baby Thats where I stand!

LOL Kelly, another song I guess, you are full of them tonight :) mmmhmm by the beautiful Kelly Van Der Veer - who was in Playboy and is considered one of the most beautiful WOMEN in the world. But oh wait darn she's a transsexual so according to Smashy she's just a man.

Her Video of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F--azsuYmEU

you don't even know what i think. you just know that because it's different from what you think it must be wrong. well there's a difference between being a man and being male. and eight year old boy is a male but he's not a man he's a boy. lust4ts is a male but he's not a man he's a putain. transsexuals are males but they're not men.

being a male is something that can't be negotiated because it's just biology. there's no way to beat it that i'm aware of. and if two males or two females have sex that's homosexuality. this is just my view and it's based only on biology. you don't have to accept it. base your view on whatever you want. but i don't need to change my view because i don't actually care if it's gay or not. it's irrelevant to me. i try to be with the people that i like and i don't run my life according to intangible things like beliefs and feeling i go by concrete things because for me that works better.

if this is hurtful or offensive to anyone then i'm sure i'm sorry but i don't change my whole way of viewing life just to please some strangers on an internet forum. this is part of being a man as well.

Kelly remember................................

[lust4ts]

I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.



I know, but I did always think she had kind of a huge head, a great person though all the same!

[SmashysmashY]

don't get mad at me because you have a y chromosome or because lust4ts is gay. if i could change you guys by waving a magic wand i would.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.



I know, but I did always think she had kind of a huge head, a great person though all the same! maybe she'll have face work done with her winnings, Kelly had her nose done after Big Brother.

[lust4ts]

....................................

[MrsKellyPierce]

don't get mad at me because you have a y chromosome or because lust4ts is gay. if i could change you guys by waving a magic wand i would. Sweety it's a good thing I don't define myself by what you think. I'm just stating your reasoning is silly. So if a straight male hits on me not knowing what I have downstairs. He must be gay too correct?

[lust4ts]

I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.



I know, but I did always think she had kind of a huge head, a great person though all the same! maybe she'll have face work done with her winnings, Kelly had her nose done after Big Brother.


That is her now Kel, this was her before!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.



I know, but I did always think she had kind of a huge head, a great person though all the same! maybe she'll have face work done with her winnings, Kelly had her nose done after Big Brother.


That is her now Kel, this was her before! I think she was more feminine looking there.

[lust4ts]

Just ignore the troll Kel, hopefully he will go away, lets face it he is not wanted here :roll:

[lust4ts]

I just meant during the take, cause she was crying so much it was cute.



I know, but I did always think she had kind of a huge head, a great person though all the same! maybe she'll have face work done with her winnings, Kelly had her nose done after Big Brother.


That is her now Kel, this was her before! I think she was more feminine looking there.

I kind of see what you are saying, she does have a huge head though, sorry to keep mentioning it but damn it is big.

She went the whole series without telling anyone, why should she, she was as much as a girl as the others, probably more than a few of the others even that series lol

[SmashysmashY]

Just ignore the troll Kel, hopefully he will go away, lets face it he is not wanted here :roll:

you are an ass-kisser my friend. and just because you can't defend your arguments that doesn't mean that the person who exposed the flaws in your arguments is trolling. sac à merde

[lust4ts]

Just ignore the troll Kel, hopefully he will go away, lets face it he is not wanted here :roll:

you are an ass-kisser my friend. and just because you can't defend your arguments that doesn't mean that the person who exposed the flaws in your arguments is trolling. sac à merde

Seriously I could argue with you forever, what is the point, you are a fucking moron, I would rather chat to someone I like (Kelly) than waste my time on a douche like you, you have no friends in real life and you have none here.

There are six pages me trying to talk to you, I am fed up, you are pointless, you mean nothing to me, you are faceless troll, please go away!

[SmashysmashY]

don't get mad at me because you have a y chromosome or because lust4ts is gay. if i could change you guys by waving a magic wand i would. Sweety it's a good thing I don't define myself by what you think. I'm just stating your reasoning is silly. So if a straight male hits on me not knowing what I have downstairs. He must be gay too correct?

this is a perfectly reasonable question. sometimes a person's intended behavior is not their actual behavior. in this case the man's intended behavior was heterosexual but his actual behavior was technically homosexual because he directed sexual attention toward someone of the same gender. if you'd like any more help solving the sexual conundrums of your quotidian existence please feel free to ask.

[SmashysmashY]

Just ignore the troll Kel, hopefully he will go away, lets face it he is not wanted here :roll:

you are an ass-kisser my friend. and just because you can't defend your arguments that doesn't mean that the person who exposed the flaws in your arguments is trolling. sac à merde

Seriously I could argue with you forever, what is the point, you are a fucking moron, I would rather chat to someone I like (Kelly) than waste my time on a douche like you, you have no friends in real life and you have none here.

There are six pages me trying to talk to you, I am fed up, you are pointless, you mean nothing to me, you are faceless troll, please go away!

i believe i've already called you out as a dull witted, feces eating necrophiliac. make no further references to me and i'll let you continue your pathetic life without further embarrassment or insult connard.

[lust4ts]

Just ignore the troll Kel, hopefully he will go away, lets face it he is not wanted here :roll:

you are an ass-kisser my friend. and just because you can't defend your arguments that doesn't mean that the person who exposed the flaws in your arguments is trolling. sac à merde

Seriously I could argue with you forever, what is the point, you are a fucking moron, I would rather chat to someone I like (Kelly) than waste my time on a douche like you, you have no friends in real life and you have none here.

There are six pages me trying to talk to you, I am fed up, you are pointless, you mean nothing to me, you are faceless troll, please go away!

i believe i've already called you out as a dull witted, feces eating necrophiliac. make no further references to me and i'll let you continue your pathetic life without further embarrassment or insult connard.

Yes you have, thankyou :roll:

[MacShreach]

i, a transexual woman of 4.5yrs, find it INCREDIBLY insulting and nothing makes me FEEL more disgusted, more frustrated, more like ive wasted my money and my time, more like a fucking fag in drag ... then hearing a bunch of guys say the same thing about a CD as they do a TS



C'mere till I hug you, you Texan babe.

I wasn't going to pile in here-- I mean you lot managed 28 pages without me-- but when I saw that I had to say something.

People regularly snipe at me because I'm not afraid to slap the bastards who do that around. They say I am narrow, I am a bully, I am a faggot (?????) I should be banned vvvvv.....Why do I bother? Because the fucking creeps who are constantly on here slobbering over other men in girly clothes are the most manipulative, abusive, nasty bunch of "men" I have ever come across on-line. They don't give fuck one about women, in fact they are deep-seated misogynists of the worst kind. All you and the other girls are to them is a way to satisfy their desire for men without ever having to admit that they desire men. In other words they are a bunch of lying, hypocritical, spineless, homosexual women-haters.

Now I'll admit that I am pretty shallow in a lot of ways, and that my primary interaction with TS women is through escorts. But I have never stooped so low as these "men." I treat all women--GG or TS-- with respect and affection BECAUSE I LIKE WOMEN.

Anybody who claims that CD's, TV's, cocks-in-frocks or whatever other male horrors in disguise are the same as TS women is being outrageously, gratuitously offensive to TS women, and I for one am sick to the back teeth that we accommodate the bastards. Not only are they an affront to TS women, they are an affront to any man who respects TS women for what they are--women.

They need to be challenged at every turn.

And lust4ts, FWIW you have gained new respect in my eyes for standing up for the girls.

[MacShreach]

OMG! This is funny! lol
http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70557

Bwaaahahahaha!!!!!

At first I thought "WTF?" and then I looked at the avatars and went "Oh......My......Ghod......!"


And then half way down there was wee sissybrenda saying how she didn't dress very often......BUSTED! BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED!

I'm laughing so much it hurts. That's fucking hilarious.

sissybrenda, you just got......

[MacShreach]

This was a funny way to start a thread...

"the internet police discovered I am a crossdresser by using special tools" :lol:
:lol: :lol:

Aye.

Did you catch this wee gem?


tsbrenda
Banned
Read only

Seems they can't stand....um.. brenda either....

[Night Rider]

How come she's banned?

[MacShreach]

How come she's banned?

On the other site, Night, not this one. I just thought it was...revealing.

[Night Rider]

How come she's banned?

On the other site, Night, not this one. I just thought it was...revealing.

Oh right...I thought she'd been misbehaving

[TrueBeauty TS]

Anybody who claims that CD's, TV's, cocks-in-frocks or whatever other male horrors in disguise are the same as TS women is being outrageously, gratuitously offensive to TS women, and I for one am sick to the back teeth that we accommodate the bastards. Not only are they an affront to TS women, they are an affront to any man who respects TS women for what they are--women.




I don't think CD's and TS's are the same, but I think they do deserve the same respect for being who THEY are.


I hate the fact that there is always a contest going on - "I'm better than you because I am a TS and you're ONLY a CD. I'm better than you because I've had more cosmetic surgery than you. I'm better than you because I've spent more money than you. I'm better than you because I have sex with a TS instead of a CD." Do all of you have so little self esteem that the only way you can feel good is by shitting on someone else?

So, you'll all have to excuse me while I get off this bus. I don't like where it's going or where it's been.

See ya in a different thread.


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[MacShreach]

I don't think CD's and TS's are the same, but I think they do deserve the same respect for being who THEY are.


Agreed. That's why I usually try not to be confrontational with CD's etc directly. However I'm not going to hide my opinion of them, which is that they are not the same as TS women, nor anything like. And I'm especially not going to hide my opinion of men who pretend, for their own sexual gratification, that there is no difference. We have seen plenty of that on this thread already.





I hate the fact that there is always a contest going on .

What contest? How could there be a contest? It's not about being higher up the pecking order. A TS woman is a woman, a CD/TV/drag queen/cock-in-frock is a man, and that's that. End of story.

.


See ya in a different thread.


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Seeya.

[SmashysmashY]

"even if you belong to a gay cult it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -some guy without a cock in his mouth.

[suckseed]

I don't think CD's and TS's are the same, but I think they do deserve the same respect for being who THEY are.
I hate the fact that there is always a contest going on - "I'm better than you because I am a TS and you're ONLY a CD. I'm better than you because I've had more cosmetic surgery than you. I'm better than you because I've spent more money than you. I'm better than you because I have sex with a TS instead of a CD." Do all of you have so little self esteem that the only way you can feel good is by shitting on someone else?
So, you'll all have to excuse me while I get off this bus. I don't like where it's going or where it's been.
See ya in a different thread.
.

This is why I have a lot of affection for True. She has a good heart.

So do I...but I'd like to know why TSBrenda was banned off that cd forum...reading that she got busted for using her companies network on her laptop was facepalm time for me. Dur... :idea:

[suckseed]

Sorry..I want to add something. Generalizations about any group of people are never accurate. Think about what groups you could be categorized in. Sometimes the stereotypes are true...but I think the underlying motivations from the people posting in this thread is the desire to carve out some territory and defend it. Can we quit throwing snowballs from our forts soon?
Although if anyone calls anyone else ugly one more time....I've got an iceball in the freezer.

[tsntx]

i dont think in all of the 30 pages so far... anyone is having the conversations that true was griping about... who here has been saying "im" better then "you" bc im this and youre that? noone that ive seen.

[GIA LOVES RON]

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[GIA LOVES RON]

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[GIA LOVES RON]

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[SmashysmashY]

OK! First of all, don't tell me how to write my replies whether in paragraphs or just one whole big thing. How I wanna write my replies is non of your business and let's leave it at that.
paragraphs are easier to read



Secondly, I don't have any or whatsoever problems with gay people or whatever gender you may be. The way I am right now is hard enough for me to even start discriminating other people that could be just like me.
good that means neither one of our judgments will be clouded by prejudice .



I am not saying that the guy in the video is gay. I'm simply voicing out the fact that if a guy that likes transsexuals will actually also like someone in a dress, make-up, wig just for that day and go back to their natural forms which is masculine/male will technically make the guy that liked him in a dress---------> GAY which is fine,
i agree with you. i think that person would be gay as well.



I have no problems with gay people, never has, never will. We are all human. I am just trying to tell you that cross-dressers and transsexuals are both different worlds. DIFFERENT!!!!

just because a person who is attracted to cross dressers or transsexuals or both is gay that doesn't mean that cross dressers and transsexuals are the same thing. i defy anyone who thinks they're up to it to comb through this thread and find one place where i said they are the same or that there is no difference. especially the cunts that want to make left-handed comments about me in an attempt to garner favor with other people(gia loves ron is excluded from this). do you hear that cunts? this is your big chance to score beaucoup ass-kissing points.

cross dressers and transsexuals can be different and both people that are attracted to them can be gay.



At the end of the day, I know what I am and that's all that matters to me...The question is DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE????? Take this time to reflect on yourself and whatever you may be is fine with me. I'm still going to accept you and give you my utmost respect.

my sexuality doesn't matter because i haven't made a moral judgment. you can say anything you want about it and i don't care.



LET'S JUST START BY FOLLOWING THE GOLDEN RULE:
good, let's do that. but i haven't broken the golden rule anyway. all i said was that my view of who's gay is equally valid. is that a violation of the golden rule, to say your beliefs are equal to other peoples? i don't think so. but on this forum only one belief is acceptable so i'm afaid the glden rule won't work here.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I don't think the make up was that great- It's OK-

The foundation color is completely wrong- it looks yellow. And the texture looks dry and cakey- you can achieve a heavy coverage and still look dewy and smooth.

I am amazed at that self made face lift tape contraption. Much kudos to that.

All I've seen and used in my make up apps are the face lifts witht he strings- but that cap looks like it really does the job.

Make Up can transform anyone into just about anything or make you you like someone.

If you have doubts look at the drag queens who do all the celeb impersonations- many of them usually do several.

Or check the Kevyn Aucoin books-he was a master at transformation make up.

[GIA LOVES RON]

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[MacShreach]

"even if you belong to a gay cult it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -some guy without a cock in his mouth.

Are you farting through your mouth to me, cuntbrain?

[Night Rider]

:lol:

[SmashysmashY]

"even if you belong to a gay cult it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -some guy without a cock in his mouth.

Are you farting through your mouth to me, cuntbrain?

i am talking to any shit dripping, disease spreading cunt that believes they are smart (trust me you are not). don't make comments about me trou du cul unless you can back them up with something intelligent. i will be very surprised if you can string more than a few sentences together without making yourself look like a complete moron. keep your comments general and don't put my name in your mouth again you pusillanimous, dog shit eater.

[MacShreach]

Did you read any more posts by Brenda on that CD forum? ;)

I did go back after I read your post but I'm afraid brenda made even less sense and eventually I gave up (as did the forum members.)

This is light entertainment for me when work is slack, as it tends to be in the run-up to Christmas. I'm just looking for a laugh and good craic and that over there.....Boring. I'd rather be here, over on the transgirl.ch forum watching Alyssia Jolly handbagging the French guys (totally hilarious) or in Taiaka....always something interesting there too. (Though everyone there is a bit more polite-- they're Spanish.)

I gave up reading brenda's posts here a long time ago, not because they were offensive, because they are really boring. It surprises me someone so dull can provoke such furore.

Have you looked in the Transsexual Forum on that Crossdresser site?

[MacShreach]

Wank

Tu délires, mon p'tit, I'll put your name in my mouth as often as I like and there's fuck all a loudmouthed little cunt like you can do about it. That is the beauty of the internet, tapette. I don't need to demonstrate any intelligence at all to deal with vermin like you, but that doesn't alter the fact that you are a cocksucking little twat. If you care to do some research here you will find that I am perfectly capable of stringing as many sentences as I like together, thus confirming my innate superiority to a bilge-troll like yourself.

Now, you stinking mare's afterbirth, have you heard, with the one ear that you have that is not dribbling pus, of a killfile? It is where smart, intelligent people like me put the steaming entrails of society such as yourself, so that we can enjoy pleasant conversation with friends undisturbed by the petty whinging of scum like you, who would be better off going back to fucking your own mother's cunt, while your father takes the pleasure of skewering you in the arse with his filthy syphilitic dick and your toothless, hideous whore sister sells tickets, than attempting to interact with those more intelligent, cultured, civilised, and frankly, deserving of air to breathe than yourself, espece de connard.

Bye bye.

And with one click of the mouse, the troll known as SmashySmashY was blasted out into the outer darkness, never, ever to return. And you have no idea how good that feels.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SmashysmashY]

it's no surprise that a putain like you runs from an argument you're already wearing a skirt. thanks for proving me right. ya bampot.

[SmashysmashY]

just for everyone's information if anyone else wants to accuse me of "trolling" then go cry to the mods right now. i'm sur that johnnywalkerblacklabel would love to ban me.

but everyone and anyone that has told me to leave them alone has been left alone provided they didn't make further comments to or about me. you have the right not to be harassed but you don't have the right to be left alone by a person that you continue to insult. what is he going to ban me for, being a jerk? a jerk that leaves anyone alone that asks them to?

so if anyone wants to accuse me of trolling in the future please fuck yourself in advance.

thank you

[tsbrenda]

UGLY TROLL BABY PICTURES OF Nicole Dupreea AKA ARIANNA =TROLL

YOUR BABY PICTURE, BELOW YOU AS AN ADULT GREW INTO YOUR TROLL FACE


http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg


http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg


http://ts-sex.com/yum/celeste/05.jpg


Did you read any more posts by Brenda on that CD forum? ;)

[tsbrenda]

how did arianna aka nicole pin those ears back?

look at those old hag wrinkles in between the legs ! YUCK YUCK :twisted: :evil:

[tsbrenda]

your face looks better with that mask on but you still got a GRANNY TRANNIE BODY


http://worldofwonder.net/image1/grannyshouse.jpg
YOU ARE NASTY
http://worldofwonder.net/image1/tattooedgranny.jpg

:twisted: :evil:

[tsbrenda]

A MAGICIAN MUST OF MADE YOUR FACE UP IF ITS NOT A MASK.


GRANNIE TRANNIE BODY YUCK YUCK YUCK :twisted: :evil: :evil: :roll: :shock:

[suckseed]

Hey 'Brenda'. You are a sad mother fucker. Sneakin' round the wife. Sneakin' on the laptop at work and getting busted. Coming on here and presenting yourself as some kind of sought-after makeup artist, and then going after one of the coolest chicks on this board, who is a sister to many long time members. GTFO, sadsack.
Why did you bump this? So you could continue your little campaign of hate cause you had a bad day? Go visit a gloryhole, gargle some crackhead's semen, and pretend your life is going great.

[MacShreach]

Hey 'Brenda'. You are a sad mother fucker. Sneakin' round the wife. Sneakin' on the laptop at work and getting busted. Coming on here and presenting yourself as some kind of sought-after makeup artist, and then going after one of the coolest chicks on this board, who is a sister to many long time members. GTFO, sadsack.
Why did you bump this? So you could continue your little campaign of hate cause you had a bad day? Go visit a gloryhole, gargle some crackhead's semen, and pretend your life is going great. :rock2 :rock2

[skybuddha]

you really like it? :D

that's so fucking hot




By way of background Im a straight guy who recently developed an interest in this scene but has yet to meet a tgirl or shemale/trans.

It certainly does make me question my interest in shemales and t girls etc if in the end its all just fantasy illusory bullshit (which is probably what my only contact thus far aka porn might be ). You looked good at the end but the beginning makes me shudder.
However the rational part of my mind tells me the good looking part is all caked on make up.
jesus kill me now !

[bettervedder]

This is a very interesting conversation, sans the vulgarity. What determines identity? Is it strictly biological? How passable you are? Your own mentality? Is your dedication towards that identity necessary to claim yourself to be of that gender? Is it a mixture of these factors?
There are always exceptions to these questions, for example, androgynous insensitivity where the 23 chromosome does not accept the neurotransmitters during reuptake in the synapse while development occurs in the pre teen and teenage years. There are people that make claims to have more a female like persona if not are a female persona. There are people forced into that role as someone alluded to in earlier posts. Then again, it seems that if women (A) goes walking around to make claims that she is a man trapped in a womans body with no progression towards that end people dismiss it, which seems to suggest that there is some connection to dedication towards that end and the mentality. But, how much dedication is needed to be recognized? Is it dependent on how passable you are? I would hate to think that identity is strictly based upon the attractiveness of the flesh, but yet there seems to be a connection to it. Some people have to try harder than others to achieve their "home within themselves" (of course I can never really speak about it because I have never traversed that path). Is there a certain dollar amount you need to spend? What about people that have possessed their physical traits naturally that don't need to spend as much to achieve that homeostasis. Is that fair? To be honest, I am very intrigued with this question of identity and sexuality. It seems that ones passability or their dedication is attached to both. Could someone help me with why? Like something that isn't based on a slippery slope. I definitely support those who dedicate themselves with living the lives the choose, especially when it comes to the stress involved with this progression. I guess another question is shall people that make less dedication than others be shunned for their similar claims?

[skybuddha]

This is a very interesting conversation, sans the vulgarity. What determines identity? Is it strictly biological? How passable you are? Your own mentality? Is your dedication towards that identity necessary to claim yourself to be of that gender? Is it a mixture of these factors?
There are always exceptions to these questions, for example, androgynous insensitivity where the 23 chromosome does not accept the neurotransmitters during reuptake in the synapse while development occurs in the pre teen and teenage years. There are people that make claims to have more a female like persona if not are a female persona. There are people forced into that role as someone alluded to in earlier posts. Then again, it seems that if women (A) goes walking around to make claims that she is a man trapped in a womans body with no progression towards that end people dismiss it, which seems to suggest that there is some connection to dedication towards that end and the mentality. But, how much dedication is needed to be recognized? Is it dependent on how passable you are? I would hate to think that identity is strictly based upon the attractiveness of the flesh, but yet there seems to be a connection to it. Some people have to try harder than others to achieve their "home within themselves" (of course I can never really speak about it because I have never traversed that path). Is there a certain dollar amount you need to spend? What about people that have possessed their physical traits naturally that don't need to spend as much to achieve that homeostasis. Is that fair? To be honest, I am very intrigued with this question of identity and sexuality. It seems that ones passability or their dedication is attached to both. Could someone help me with why? Like something that isn't based on a slippery slope. I definitely support those who dedicate themselves with living the lives the choose, especially when it comes to the stress involved with this progression. I guess another question is shall people that make less dedication than others be shunned for their similar claims?


Well to simplify things. Being a woman isnt always about sex. Thats probably how I got sucked into looking around forums like these is because I am able to consider her a woman as long as she does. Its because I respect someone enough to respect that persons identity choice whether there is an attraction or not between me and her. Hence I opened my heart and mind to the possibilities. But shes got to be more female than male if I was to get with her.

The real question for intellectuals is how much choice does the individual have concerning attraction and/or identity ?

[bettervedder]

I don't know if what is more proper though. If you are attracted to someone is it because they possess feminine features or are you attracted to someone because of the features seem feminine. Let me make it more simple, do we appreciate the attractiveness of someone because they possess likeable features (ie natural skin, the shape of their hips, or butt) or do we appreciate them for them seeming feminine to us.
And, you have also pointed out the slippery slope that I was trying to avoid. Slippery slopes in arguments never tip in the favor of intellectualism, but they seem to tumble down towards predispositions of preference.
So, I hate to answer your question with another question, but is there such a thing as identifying a man or woman because of her claim or does interpersonal relations such as one's methodology of the self strike standards into the hearts of all?

[skybuddha]

So, I hate to answer your question with another question, but is there such a thing as identifying a man or woman because of her claim or does interpersonal relations such as one's methodology of the self strike standards into the hearts of all?

Gud ting I gots me book learnin n' me edsmacation ;)

I would say theres an element of randomness in everything. No 2 experiments are exactly the same. I would consider everyone free to choose their own aesthetic standards within certain constraints. These constraints would be the mental filters assimilated into ones psyche voluntarily as a coping mechanism or by other nefarious means.
Within the freedom of individual selves there is no subject and object. A duality exists in both.