So You're Still a Republican?

[chefmike]

So You're Still a Republican?
Jean Carnahan

I almost feel sorry for my Republican friends.

They once belonged to a respectable political party that could be trusted from time to time to run the country--with some oversight of a Democratic congress, of course.

Now, that the GOP party bus is out of control, careening downhill headed for the precipice, moderate Republicans are in a terrible quandary.

They can remember what happened in 1932, when the country turned on the GOP for mismanagement, casting them into political oblivion for two decades.

Because moderates often differ with the rightwing of their party on such issues as stem cell research, the environment, choice, gun control, and the Iraq war, they are labeled RINOs (Republicans In Name Only). In recent years, these old school Republicans have been sidelined, at best, or "pistol whipped" into accepting the neo-con agenda.

These passive Republicans speak in rambling sentences about the handling of the war, the stain of torture, the spectacle or corruption, and our loss of moral authority in the world.

Moderates are not the only ones feeling the pain of conformity. Pity the GOP presidential hopefuls who must grovel, lie, or recant in order to curry the favor of their captors. How sad to watch McCain and Romney bend themselves into political pretzels, while Brownback and Huckabee vie for political sainthood.

Giuliani and Gingrich hope, that like Ted Haggard and Jimmy Swaggart, they can be "cured" of their "sins" and emerge as the born-again heroes of the religious right.

In the months ahead, look for Dobson to go into the indulgence selling business, extracting a "price" for forgiveness from those he "ordains" with his favor.

Still, too many moderate Republicans are clinging to the party that has both embarrassed and annihilated them. A recent NYT/CBS News poll shows that while Republicans are fretting about their misfortunes, 75% of them approve the president's job performance and give him high marks on handling foreign policy, the economy, and the war.

So what is to become of the party of Eisenhower, Taft, Ford, Dirksen, and Nelson Rockefeller? Will the loyal remain lashed to the mast and go down with the ship?

Christy Todd Whitman, former EPA director and New Jersey governor, wrote a book, It's My Party, too; Taking Back the Republican Party, in which she deplored the "tight" structure of today's GOP, that once prided itself on being an "umbrella party."

She faulted centrists for causing the umbrella to collapse, as they sat back feeling uncomfortable and irrelevant, hoping commonsense would ultimately prevail.

As I said earlier, I almost feel sorry for my Republican friends. But I am getting over it. I can no longer allow them the luxury of being indifferent bystanders during such a perilous time in our history.

By going along and not fighting back, they have become enablers of right-wing zealots, whose policies are inflicting grave harm to our nation.

This administration has lost its political and spiritual moorings and it's time for Republicans of conscience to say so.

[guyone]

Well I sure ain't no bolshevik!

[chefmike]

Well I sure ain't no bolshevik!

I agree. You're just the local idiot, gumpone.

Same as it ever was...

[Quinn]

LOL.... Only two left.....

-Quinn

[chefmike]

LOL.... Only two left.....

-Quinn

LMAO...and they are just a figment of their own feeble-minded imagination...

Same as it ever was...

[guyone]

Thanks for being so compassionate.

[Oli]

Thanks for being so compassionate.


When your only reply is to call others "commies" or "bolsheviks", what would you expect?

[Oli]

[quote="chefmike"]So You're Still a Republican?
Jean Carnahan

Not anymore, I changed to an independent before last year's election.

And Christy Whitman can go fuck off, she whored herself out to the people she's now throwing under the bus.

[guyone]

Oh sorry I forgot. Some pigs are more equal than others. Like those of the bolshevik variety.

EXAMPLE OF BOLSHEVIK PIG:

[LG]

http://www.doublespeakshow.com/images/2006/11/saddam_Rumsfeld.jpg

The picture above was taken one year after Saddam ordered the executions of 148 people in a Shia village, the very crime that the Iraqi dictator was sentenced to death for.

Let's talk about pigs then, right-wingers. Can you say oink?

[trish]

the gayone ain't no bolshivik but he does suffer from grip of a false dichotomy. The American people and their politics are much more diverse, complex and interesting then gayone's black and white makes them out to be. take off the glasses neo, and see the world.

[InHouston]

http://www.doublespeakshow.com/images/2006/11/saddam_Rumsfeld.jpg

The picture above was taken one year after Saddam ordered the executions of 148 people in a Shia village, the very crime that the Iraqi dictator was sentenced to death for.

Let's talk about pigs then, right-wingers. Can you say oink?



In the mid-1980s, the Reagan administration sent Donald Rumsfeld as a special envoy to improve relations with Iraq. To the United States, Saddam's secular regime was an important counter-balance to Iran, where anti-American passion mixed with radical Islam had led to the overthrow of the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran. When Iraq attacked Iran in 1980 over a border dispute, the United States tilted toward Saddam -- secretly supplying intelligence to hit Iranian positions.

It wasn't until Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, that the United States turned against Saddam.

[chefmike]

I agree, Reagan was almost as big of a waste of oxygen as Rummy is...well said, tex...

[guyone]

It just proves that the US was trying to engage diplomatically with Iraq. Just because there's a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam doesn't mean they were old chums.

It just means that there's no statute of limitations on murder.

[Oli]

In the mid-1980s, the Reagan administration sent Donald Rumsfeld as a special envoy to improve relations with Iraq. To the United States, Saddam's secular regime was an important counter-balance to Iran, where anti-American passion mixed with radical Islam had led to the overthrow of the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran. When Iraq attacked Iran in 1980 over a border dispute, the United States tilted toward Saddam -- secretly supplying intelligence to hit Iranian positions.

It wasn't until Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, that the United States turned against Saddam.

The same administration tasked Oliver North with selling weapons to Iran and funneling the money to rebels in Central America.

[qeuqheeg222]

this is what i mean about our foriegn policy in this region being a mess!!especially under big daddy reagan tryin to play both sides and now look where it got us!!!

[Maxwell]

"Playing both sides" is exactly what kept our soldiers alive. Would you rather have had us invade Iran rather take advantage of the bad blood between Iraq and Iran?

Furthermore, the war in Iraq is not a consequence of Reagan's dealings with Saddam. So don't try and say we're cleaning up a mess he made.


They can remember what happened in 1932, when the country turned on the GOP for mismanagement, casting them into political oblivion for two decades.

Whoever wrote this article forgot to mention that FDR bypassed the constitution to swindle a fourteen year term out of the White House. That really doesn't say much in regards to DEM (mis)management.

That article is bunk. Like all articles posted by Chef.


And yes. I'm still Republican.

[specialk]

"Playing both sides" is exactly what kept our soldiers alive. Would you rather have had us invade Iran rather take advantage of the bad blood between Iraq and Iran?

Furthermore, the war in Iraq is not a consequence of Reagan's dealings with Saddam. So don't try and say we're cleaning up a mess he made.


They can remember what happened in 1932, when the country turned on the GOP for mismanagement, casting them into political oblivion for two decades.

Whoever wrote this article forgot to mention that FDR bypassed the constitution to swindle a fourteen year term out of the White House. That really doesn't say much in regards to DEM (mis)management.

That article is bunk. Like all articles posted by Chef.


And yes. I'm still Republican.

Hi Tfool :lol:

[guyone]

The American people are as stupid as the bolsheviks want them to be.

[chefmike]

"Playing both sides" is exactly what kept our soldiers alive. Would you rather have had us invade Iran rather take advantage of the bad blood between Iraq and Iran?

Furthermore, the war in Iraq is not a consequence of Reagan's dealings with Saddam. So don't try and say we're cleaning up a mess he made.


They can remember what happened in 1932, when the country turned on the GOP for mismanagement, casting them into political oblivion for two decades.

Whoever wrote this article forgot to mention that FDR bypassed the constitution to swindle a fourteen year term out of the White House. That really doesn't say much in regards to DEM (mis)management.

That article is bunk. Like all articles posted by Chef.


And yes. I'm still Republican.

Hi Tfool :lol:

LMFAO...will the real TFool please stand up?

[chefmike]

The American people are as stupid as the bolsheviks want them to be.

Nah, this one's just too easy... :roll:

[Oli]

"Playing both sides" is exactly what kept our soldiers alive. Would you rather have had us invade Iran rather take advantage of the bad blood between Iraq and Iran?

Furthermore, the war in Iraq is not a consequence of Reagan's dealings with Saddam. So don't try and say we're cleaning up a mess he made.


They can remember what happened in 1932, when the country turned on the GOP for mismanagement, casting them into political oblivion for two decades.

Whoever wrote this article forgot to mention that FDR bypassed the constitution to swindle a fourteen year term out of the White House. That really doesn't say much in regards to DEM (mis)management.

That article is bunk. Like all articles posted by Chef.


And yes. I'm still Republican.

The 22nd Amendment wasn't ratified until 1951, so FDR swindled no one, the people elected him 4 times. And no we're not cleaning up Reagan's mess, we are trying to extricate ourselves from GWB's cluster fuck.

[Maxwell]

Why exactly do you think it was ratified after he died? Everyone knew he overstepped; that was proof. It was only after he was finally gone that the people who elected him realize that he was using the war as his cover to milk two more terms out of the constituency. Are you really going to try and tell me that "the people" were educated in their votes for him?

I also think it's kind of funny that you avoid the '14 year' comment in favor of finding loopholes in the law for FDR's sake. You really want to talk about a president who dragged us into a war (with the hindsight of American soldiers' death no less)? Look no further than FDR's "term." He didn't lead us into WWII with any sort of intention that involved defending the US; it was all personal gain at the expense of the country--Luckily for him Hitler was goin. after everyone instead of just Europe. The War on terror, on the other hand, has actually been successful in intercepting terrorist attacks post 9/11 in both America and Europe.


And no we're not cleaning up Reagan's mess

Tell that to qeuqheeg222.

[qeuqheeg222]

i said reagan because much of what is happening now stems from shady dealings and apathy to other situations during big daddy reagans/blue blood bush sr. era...yeah bush jr. stepped over the line his father knew better stay in the sand but the seeds where sown a long time past...ask yerself who drew the borders of iraq,jordan,lebanon,and iran?did the peoples of these land decide this?...

[Oli]

Why exactly do you think it was ratified after he died? Everyone knew he overstepped; that was proof. It was only after he was finally gone that the people who elected him realize that he was using the war as his cover to milk two more terms out of the constituency. Are you really going to try and tell me that "the people" were educated in their votes for him?
Specious reasoning at its finest. Questions were raised about the legality of a third term, as it had never been done before. Past Presidents had followed the precedent of Washington and limited themselves to 2 terms. Nice of you to denegrate the intelligence of the people who, after electing him,proceded to out think, outproduce and outfight two different enemies accross two oceans.


I also think it's kind of funny that you avoid the '14 year' comment in favor of finding loopholes in the law for FDR's sake. You really want to talk about a president who dragged us into a war (with the hindsight of American soldiers' death no less)? Look no further than FDR's "term." He didn't lead us into WWII with any sort of intention that involved defending the US; it was all personal gain at the expense of the country--Luckily for him Hitler was goin. after everyone instead of just Europe.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the U.S. entered the Second World War on December 8, 1941 after Japan bombed the naval base at Pearl Harbor the day before. Perhaps you're referring to the sinking of the "Rueben James" by a U-boat in the fall of 1941 when you say "Hitler was goin after everyone."
I left the "14 year" comment alone because, as I stated previously, no one was swindled, and the Constitution didn't specify a limit to the number of tems a President could serve until 1951.


The War on terror, on the other hand, has actually been successful in intercepting terrorist attacks post 9/11 in both America and Europe.
This is such a load of bullshit propoganda.

[Quinn]

Well done, Oli.

-Quinn

[guyone]

This is such a load of bullshit propoganda.


This is a perfect example of bolshevik propaganda.

[insert_namehere]

"Whoever wrote this article forgot to mention that FDR bypassed the constitution to swindle a fourteen year term out of the White House. That really doesn't say much in regards to DEM (mis)management.

Yes, I read that thing on the internet about FDR secretly building a time machine and going back in history to be elected four times and then "dying" before they passed the Presidential term limits amendment.

Oh, those sneaky Dems!!!! Cheating the rules of time and space just to achieve their nefarious schemes.

[Maxwell]

Specious reasoning at its finest. Questions were raised about the legality of a third term, as it had never been done before. Past Presidents had followed the precedent of Washington and limited themselves to 2 terms. Nice of you to denegrate the intelligence of the people who, after electing him,proceded to out think, outproduce and outfight two different enemies accross two oceans.

So, for the record, you think FDR was responsible for us winning the war? The same guy who handed Eastern Europe over to Stalin and actually baited other countries to attack us rather than make a pre-emptive attack ourselves? Focusing on the people who actually fought the war is a step in the right direction, but not under the pretext that they voted for FDR. Every historian agrees that he kept information out of reach of the American people.

And pardon me for feeling that a founding father's declaration takes precedent. You said so yourself: The legality was questioned, and they ended up deciding that it wasn't (both future and prior). That makes FDR's siezure of the terms retroactively illegal. If FDR hadn't of figured that out, he wouldn't have even bothered trying to get us into the war.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the U.S. entered the Second World War on December 8, 1941 after Japan bombed the naval base at Pearl Harbor the day before. Perhaps you're referring to the sinking of the "Rueben James" by a U-boat in the fall of 1941 when you say "Hitler was goin after everyone."

It's a well known fact that FDR was pushing for America's entry into war. Because he was controlling all the information going in and out of the US, he had hindsight of Pearl Harbor. I don't disagree with his desire for entry with exception towards his intent, but being an accessory to an attack was criminal.


I left the "14 year" comment alone because, as I stated previously, no one was swindled, and the Constitution didn't specify a limit to the number of tems a President could serve until 1951.

...When they figured out that he pulled a fast one.

I'm not saying it's something he should have been incarcerated for, but by that time, even if it wasn't written down on parchment, people had already set it in stone.


This is such a load of bullshit propoganda.

Is that so?

FBI Busts 'Real Deal' Terror Plot Aimed At NYC-NJ Underground Transit Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202518,00.html)

Suspect Arrested In Alleged Illinois Terror Plot (http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_342121223.html)

Lynne Stewart smuggles messages of violence of of prison for the sake of her radical Sheik client (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart#The_Rahman_case) (See also: Rahman Case)

Terror Plot Suspects Planned 'Dry-Run' of Attacks in Next 2 Days, Sources Say (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207682,00.html) (The arrests for the case were made with the help of wiretaps. Then, later on, they found the chemical bombs that were strategically placed in trash-bins.)

Who knows how many of these situations were never even planned because of the tighter security.


It's not really surprising that you hadn't heard about this stuff considering that all of your favorite news sources refuse to report it.[/i]

[Oli]

I'll try again, although I don't believe your opinion will change.


So, for the record, you think FDR was responsible for us winning the war? The same guy who handed Eastern Europe over to Stalin and actually baited other countries to attack us rather than make a pre-emptive attack ourselves?

FDR was the most responsible for ultimate victory. As were Lincoln, McKinley and Wilson before him. The reigns of power were in their hands. I hold Johnson and GWB responsible for their failures for the same reason.

Eastern Europe was gone anyway. Call it a fait accompli, call it real politik, the Soviet Army, numerically twice the size of the Allies, occupied the ground. What should we have done?

What countries did FDR 'bait'?

Pre-emption, until 2001, was not the policy of the U.S.


And pardon me for feeling that a founding father's declaration takes precedent. You said so yourself: The legality was questioned, and they ended up deciding that it wasn't (both future and prior). That makes FDR's siezure of the terms retroactively illegal. If FDR hadn't of figured that out, he wouldn't have even bothered trying to get us into the war.

Washinton never made a declaration about term limits. He simply stated that he would not stand for a third term.

How can anything be made "retroactively illegal"?

"Seizure of the terms" is incorrect. Duly elected is what he was.


It's a well known fact that FDR was pushing for America's entry into war. Because he was controlling all the information going in and out of the US, he had hindsight of Pearl Harbor. I don't disagree with his desire for entry with exception towards his intent, but being an accessory to an attack was criminal.

All national governments control information, look no further than Washington D.C.. Do you believe our government is totally forthcoming with information today?

We were already involved in the war. Lend Lease, destroyer swap, convoy escort and patroling the southern sea lanes, etc. It became official Decmber 7 and December 11 (when Hitler declared war on us).

Roosevelt neither invented or possessed a time travel device. He had no 'hindsight' of the attack on Pearl until December 8.


...When they figured out that he pulled a fast one.

I'm not saying it's something he should have been incarcerated for, but by that time, even if it wasn't written down on parchment, people had already set it in stone.

Again, the 22nd Amendment was ratified in 1951. Nothing was set on parchment or etched in stone before then.


Is that so?

FBI Busts 'Real Deal' Terror Plot Aimed At NYC-NJ Underground Transit Link

Suspect Arrested In Alleged Illinois Terror Plot

Lynne Stewart smuggles messages of violence of of prison for the sake of her radical Sheik client (See also: Rahman Case)

Terror Plot Suspects Planned 'Dry-Run' of Attacks in Next 2 Days, Sources Say (The arrests for the case were made with the help of wiretaps. Then, later on, they found the chemical bombs that were strategically placed in trash-bins.)

Who knows how many of these situations were never even planned because of the tighter security.

These are all law enforcement actions. The War on Terror, like the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs,, will be an expensive failure. You don't declare war on an idea, and you don't fight a multinational, amorphous, hydraheaded group with an army.


It's not really surprising that you hadn't heard about this stuff considering that all of your favorite news sources refuse to report it

Bloombrg and Reuter's. Comprehensive and unbiased. Is yours?

[qeuqheeg222]

besides the ruskies lost about 30 to 40 mill peoples during the war so they wanted to build that eastern europe buffer zone..can you really blame them?30 to 40 million.....give this admin under bush ten years before we look back and say this was the most corrupt bullshit ever in american politic..

[guyone]

I'm afraid Billy Clinton has that honor.

[qeuqheeg222]

for what?just give bush ten years of history and you'll see........worster than hoover,taft,harding..................

[qeuqheeg222]

nixon.

[guyone]

Still better than FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, or Clinton.

[chefmike]

Still better than FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, or Clinton.

It's official, gumpone!

You are one stupid motherfucker!

Congrats!

[guyone]

Maoist!

[qeuqheeg222]

p.s.gumpone it was carter who passed the monies fer that new fangled american bombin machine -the stealth technologies..oh yeah and the space shuttle tooo......and who can fergit the ultimate capitalist weaponry-the neutron bomb..bomb only the people and take over their factory equipment....or are you you to young to remember all of this?

[guyone]

Leninist!

[LG]

Maoist!

Leninist!

Anything else? Trotskyite? Stalinist? Castro-ist?

Actually, despite the fact that he doesn't always show it and enjoys taking the piss, I think chefmike would settle for something like this:

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality".
Ernesto Che Guevara

[chefmike]

Works for me...

[guyone]

Guevara-ists!

[chefmike]

I suppose that you could say that I put the Che in Chef...gumpone...

[guyone]

Lol!

[svenson]

many republicans arent republicans now many persons are leaving

[guyone]

Leaving for where?