We Need to Talk about Kevin

[Stavros]

The farce has either just ended, or is about to enter a new phase. One gasps at the spectacle of an open democracy held hostage by Trump Puppies like Biggs Boebert and Gaetz, but this is what their party has come to. The Ultras, or more pertinently, the supporters of America’s domestic terrorists, are not so much under Kevin’s thumb, as under his nose.

Will they get what they demand- no policies to tackle homelessness, or poverty, or jobs, or the environment, but revenge for the attacks on Trump, a new phase in their aim to overhaul the political system to make it immune to anything and everything Democrats or for that matter, the People want?

January 6 was thus not an aberration, but a turning point, and for all his initial condemnation, it didn’t take long for Kevin to fall to his knees to shine Trump’s shoes.

What sort of victory leads to such potential failure? The challenge to democracy enters a new phase, but is America safe in Kevin’s hands?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-years-since-capitol-riot-232259756.html

[filghy2]

It's hard not to feel sense of schadenfreude about McCarthy's humiliation after he went so far to abase himself with Trump and the MAGA crowd. Now he has the position he coveted, but at the cost of making himself powerless.

There's an obvious lesson from this about the folly of trying to appease fanatics, who will respond to concessions by demanding more. No doubt it won't be learnt.

[tslvr]

The investigations should happen for oversight, but nothing of substance will get done because the senate and executive are still in dem control.

[Stavros]

The investigations should happen for oversight, but nothing of substance will get done because the senate and executive are still in dem control.

Any new Oversight investigations of January 6 will not address the gap in the records of phone calls into and out of the White House because the House is directed by the same people who joined in the attack on the American people, 147 of whom, including Kevin, rejected the right of the People to elect their President. Kevin is part of the problem not the solution. He only believes in a democratic vote if it is the result he wants. He has sworn an Oath to protect the Constitution but it appears he doesn’t believe in it. He has betrayed the trust of his voters. And betrayed the United States of America. He should be in prison, not the House of Representatives.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

The farce has either just ended, or is about to enter a new phase. One gasps at the spectacle of an open democracy held hostage by Trump Puppies like Biggs Boebert and Gaetz, but this is what their party has come to. The Ultras, or more pertinently, the supporters of America’s domestic terrorists, are not so much under Kevin’s thumb, as under his nose.

Will they get what they demand- no policies to tackle homelessness, or poverty, or jobs, or the environment, but revenge for the attacks on Trump, a new phase in their aim to overhaul the political system to make it immune to anything and everything Democrats or for that matter, the People want?

January 6 was thus not an aberration, but a turning point, and for all his initial condemnation, it didn’t take long for Kevin to fall to his knees to shine Trump’s shoes.

What sort of victory leads to such potential failure? The challenge to democracy enters a new phase, but is America safe in Kevin’s hands?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/2-years-since-capitol-riot-232259756.html
No America isn't safe in the hands of the Spineless Coward Kevin McCarthy,who begged and groveled,and sold his soul to the MAGA Caucus to become speaker of the House Of Representatives. And will have no input in what bills gets sent to the House Floor and voted. And will be the weakest speaker in US Congress history.

[broncofan]

There's an obvious lesson from this about the folly of trying to appease fanatics, who will respond to concessions by demanding more. No doubt it won't be learnt.
I agree that they are fanatics and they shouldn't be appeased when they make unreasonable demands. But I think it's easier said than done when they play the kind of high stakes blackmail with the debt ceiling, with the Supreme Court, and wherever else they've done it.

Not appeasing them when they threaten to allow us to default on sovereign debt might mean allowing them to destroy the economy when we can avoid it by caving. They would be at fault, but if you fail to avert a bad situation it might be politically smart because your opponents are more blameworthy but a net harm. Does not appeasing them mean that if they play dirty, for instance, by creating an exception to when the President can appoint Justices and then violate their own rule, that Democrats should do something unprecedented as an escalation?

I think it's very difficult to deal with this group of extremists because they accept destruction and harm as a cost of getting their way.

[filghy2]

I agree that they are fanatics and they shouldn't be appeased when they make unreasonable demands. But I think it's easier said than done when they play the kind of high stakes blackmail with the debt ceiling, with the Supreme Court, and wherever else they've done it.

The only reason 20 or so fanatics can hold the remaining 200 hostage is if the latter refuse to do any bipartisan deals. I know that's unlikely to happen because they are all terrified of retaliation by the MAGA crowd, but cowardice is still a choice.

[Stavros]

I guess the question now is if Kevin can control his party, and if he has the will to clip the wings of Marjorie Taylor Greene who now distances herself from the QAnon fantasy claiming she was misled by something on the internet! Duh!

[KnightHawk 2.0]

I guess the question now is if Kevin can control his party, and if he has the will to clip the wings of Marjorie Taylor Greene who now distances herself from the QAnon fantasy claiming she was misled by something on the internet! Duh! The answer is no,the Spineless Coward Kevin McCarthy won't be able to control his party,because he made a deal with and sold his soul to the MAGA Caucus to become speaker. Marjorie-Qanon Karen-Taylor Greene is full of shit.

[Stavros]

Outrageous, but not surprising is Kevin's reaction to the indictment-

"Alvin Bragg has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our Presidential election,” McCarthy tweeted. “The American people will not tolerate this injustice, and the House of Representatives will hold Alvin Bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account.”
Donald Trump indictment: McCarthy says Congress will hold Alvin Bragg's 'unprecedented abuse of power to account' | Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/donald-trump-indictment-mccarthy-congress-hold-alvin-bragg-unprecedented-abuse-power-account)

Alvin Bragg was just doing his job. It was the American people -members of the Grand Jury-who indicted Trump, so who is holding power and alleged crimes to account?

But Kevin in Congress in 2020 did what he could to deny the American people the right to elect Biden as their President, so is anyone surprised that the man is now in effect waging a 'cold war' against those Americans who believe in the Rule of Law?

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Outrageous, but not surprising is Kevin's reaction to the indictment-

"Alvin Bragg has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our Presidential election,” McCarthy tweeted. “The American people will not tolerate this injustice, and the House of Representatives will hold Alvin Bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account.”
Donald Trump indictment: McCarthy says Congress will hold Alvin Bragg's 'unprecedented abuse of power to account' | Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/donald-trump-indictment-mccarthy-congress-hold-alvin-bragg-unprecedented-abuse-power-account)

Alvin Bragg was just doing his job. It was the American people -members of the Grand Jury-who indicted Trump, so who is holding power and alleged crimes to account?

But Kevin in Congress in 2020 did what he could to deny the American people the right to elect Biden as their President, so is anyone surprised that the man is now in effect waging a 'cold war' against those Americans who believe in the Rule of Law?Not surprised at all by Kevin-Spineless Coward-McCarthy reaction to Donald Trump's indictment. His reaction shows the hypocrisy from him and his caucus who rather defend their leader and interfere on his behalf,instead of during the work of their constituents.

[Stavros]

Oh dear, the poor man has been reduced to curses. Imagine waking up in the morning as the third most powerful politicians in the US, potentially even the President should a disaster take place, and then realize your agenda is being set by Matthew Gaetz. He might want to give up and spend the rest of his life fishing in a remote part of Wyoming (and why not?) -or he could organize to get rid of these fringe magnets who are weighing him -and his country down. A pathetic spectacle.

Any thought for all those jobs that people rely on to like, live?

McCarthy lashes out in expletive-filled tirade and dares GOP rivals to oust him as speaker (yahoo.com) (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mccarthy-lashes-expletive-filled-tirade-175323446.html)

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Kevin McCarthy is a spineless coward and is by far the weakest speaker in the history of the US Congress,and made deals and promises to the MAGA Caucus to become speaker of the House Of Representatives,and now they are calling in those favors,which includes launching a fraudulent impeachment investigation into President Joe Biden,even though there's no evidence of him doing anything wrong and threatening to shutdown the government if they don't get their way. And it also shows he has absolutely no control over his caucus,who wants to support dictators like Vladimir Putin and take away funding from Ukraine.

[Stavros]

So that's this thread gone the way of all shreds.

Next!

[filghy2]

Faust at least got something in return for selling his soul. McCarthy got nothing but opportunities to be humilated further. No power and no glory.

Would any sane person want this job?

[Stavros]

It is the logical outcome of sectarian politics -when negotiation and compromise are replaced by conflict and confrontation, it may suit a need for a sharp distinction between political parties, but as a tactic, it may be inevitable that if there is then a difference within a party, that too becomes subject to a 'take no prisoners', 'no surrender' position, from which there are only losers, not winners.

Until, and unless our politics -because it is not just in the US- ditches this all or nothing approach we will all be on parallel lines, terrified that the other party is going to be in power and reverse everything that was put in place.

I don't know it well enough, but can the Republican Party rescue itself from Trump and his Myrmidons? They look doomed to be a minority party albeit with State control in some parts of the US -and this is not good for Democracy.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Kevin-Spineless Coward-McCarthy made his bed and now has to lay in it,because he made deals with the MAGA Caucus to become speaker of the House Of Representatives,and sold his soul and gave away all control in the process and now is paying the price and he has nobody to blame but himself for making those deals. Even his leader the MAGA King,Domestic Terrorist Leader,Pathological Lying Charlatan and Petulant Child Donald Trump didn't do anything to help him remain speaker. You reep what you sowed Kevin.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

It is the logical outcome of sectarian politics -when negotiation and compromise are replaced by conflict and confrontation, it may suit a need for a sharp distinction between political parties, but as a tactic, it may be inevitable that if there is then a difference within a party, that too becomes subject to a 'take no prisoners', 'no surrender' position, from which there are only losers, not winners.

Until, and unless our politics -because it is not just in the US- ditches this all or nothing approach we will all be on parallel lines, terrified that the other party is going to be in power and reverse everything that was put in place.

I don't know it well enough, but can the Republican Party rescue itself from Trump and his Myrmidons? They look doomed to be a minority party albeit with State control in some parts of the US -and this is not good for Democracy.The Republican Party had plenty of chances to rid themselves of Donald Trump and restore their party,but they didn't and chose to embrace him and enable his erratic behavior for over 7 years. And as long as they continue to enable him,they will be doomed to be a minority party,and agree it isn't good for democracy.

[Stavros]

'Darling, let's get out of this crazy place and run away to the mountains...'
'Honey, with your $10k we can go anywhere you like!'

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ifuHV.img?w=534&h=320&m=6

Marjorie Taylor Greene received $10K from McCarthy ahead of vote to keep him as speaker (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/marjorie-taylor-greene-received-10k-from-mccarthy-ahead-of-vote-to-keep-him-as-speaker/ar-AA1ifuHZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=227b02661c52437d88b1f9188216b140&ei=17)