2016 - worst year ever?

[holzz]

haha...no.

plenty of celebrity deaths happen all the time.

and plenty of wars.

and Trump got elected, so what? it's called democracy, it's what it is.

I don't see how this year is any worse than any other year in recorded or non-recorded history? people need to settle down, and be less hyperbolic.

[Ben in LA]

"Democracy"

[trish]

2016 saw a rise in employment and in the number of people insured. Health care alone added 28000 jobs over the past year. What worries me is the next four years.

[holzz]

"Democracy"

yep. Trump won.

[blackchubby38]

I don't believe in hyperbole, so I wouldn't call 2016 the worst year ever.

Now were there individual events that you could say were the worst ever? Definitely. Results aside, I think its safe to say that the 2016 U.S. presidential election wasn't one of this country's brightest moments.

I also happen to think that if you compiled songs from all the musicians who died this year, you could make a pretty damn good soundtrack.

I will say this though. There is a level of uncertainty that I don't think we have seen for quite some time. Both here and abroad. So only time will tell what the impact of some of the events that took place this in 2016 year will be.

[trish]

yep. Trump won.
By negative two point nine million votes and with a heavy Russian cyber-thumb on the scale. That's a funny kind of electoral democracy.

[lumberjack]

By negative two point nine million votes and with a heavy Russian cyber-thumb on the scale. That's a funny kind of electoral democracy.

We live under a republic, not strictly a democracy.
Trump campaign focused on winning the electoral college vote and won handily.
The mainstream media did whatever they could to help Hillary, you don't seem to have problem with that thumb on the scale.

[trish]

Wrong. The mainstream media was preoccupied with trying to appear unbiased and over applied a false notion of equivalency.

Now Trump tells us the Russians had no effect on the election even though at the time he thought the wikileaks were so advantageous to him that he played them up at every opportunity.
Don't get me wrong. I recognize Trump as the legitimate president. That's more than he and any other birther granted Obama.

I agree reed we live in a democratic republic. Thanks to our somewhat bizarre electoral system Trump won by negative two point nine million popular votes.

[sukumvit boy]

Where is Stavros on this forum ? Miss his input the last few weeks, hope he is OK.
Back to the topic , the official "word of the Year " for 2016 is "Surreal". That says a lot.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/woty2016-top-looked-up-words-surreal

[Stavros]

Where is Stavros on this forum ? Miss his input the last few weeks, hope he is OK.
Back to the topic , the official "word of the Year " for 2016 is "Surreal". That says a lot.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/woty2016-top-looked-up-words-surreal

Stavros was away for Christmas and the New Year, simple as that. I wish I could say it was worth the effort, as I did not go far but was not tuned in to the internet as I usually am, and there is no harm in that.

As for 2016 it depends on the indicators. In the link below you will find 99 positive indicators from 2016 of which the 60% decline in deaths from Malaria must be an outstanding statistic given the historic persistence of this horrible disease. There is also the claim that Denmark has become the first country not to define being Transgendered as a mental illness. And, pace the comment by Holzz above, less than a 6th of the world's population is now engaged in war (#60 in the list). Not included is the nuclear deal with Iran, which may be of long term significance, but only time will tell.

And it remains to be seen if it actually matters globally if President Trump annuls the US signature to the Paris Agreement on Climate Change, as I can see most of the rest of the world carrying on regardless, notably China because urban pollution has reached levels that have to be addressed in practical terms.

Reasons to be cheerful-
https://medium.com/future-crunch/99-reasons-why-2016-has-been-a-great-year-for-humanity-8420debc2823#.1q2xg4nv6

[sukumvit boy]

Welcome back , glad you are well.
Loved the "99 reasons to be cheerful" some interesting things there.
I would add that it has been an interesting year in science , some of which was mentioned in the "99 reasons" above .
Also , the new ebola vaccine is successful.
http://www.nature.com/news/2016-in-news-the-science-events-that-shaped-the-year-1.21159

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2016/ebola-vaccine-results/en/

[sukumvit boy]

Where is Stavros on this forum ? Miss his input the last few weeks, hope he is OK.
Back to the topic , the official "word of the Year " for 2016 is "Surreal". That says a lot.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/woty2016-top-looked-up-words-surreal

The "word of the year " for 2017 is complicit

http://www.dictionary.com/e/word-of-the-year-2017/

[Stavros]

The "word of the year " for 2017 is complicit


My word of the year would be 'tired' as in, tired of being subjected to the latest squeal from the attention-deficit President who turns every situation, domestic or international into the latest segment of the ME show.
Tired of 'fake news' that is real and real news that is fake, as if we adults do not know the difference. Tired of the feeble attempts made by people who should know better to defend the persistent attacks on democracy that could have the long term effect of undermining the confidence of a generation in the flawed but most equitable and just means of government.

But, again, if you turn away from politics to science and technology, major advances in 2017 have been made to eradicate Guinea Worm Disease (mostly in Africa); Polio is in what we hope is now terminal decline; some advances have been made in the treatment of spinal injuries and Alzheimer's which could have long term positive outcomes from sufferer's of those illnesses; and nuclear fusion could be a decade or two closer to proving all of us with cheap energy. These and others are in the link below, though I am not sure about 'Hyperloops' as the next big thing in transport, as I don't see where the money will come from to pay for it.

Finally be aware that the link has the word 'science' in it, as among other things in 2017 that was very not good is the continuing attempt to claim science is bullshit, from those who deny the valid arguments in the science of climate change, to those Russians leading a campaign against the science that is explaining -or trying to explain- the shocking numbers of Russians falling victim to HIV/AIDS -an increase of 149% in the last ten years, on the basis that HIV is 'the greatest myth of the 20th century'.

But first the positives:
https://www.sciencealert.com/15-really-good-things-that-are-happening-in-the-world-right-now

Then the Russians-
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/12/russian-sites-call-hiv-a-myth-western-conspiracy-an-epidemic-is-now-exploding/

[Ts RedVeX]

I am looking forward to scientists developing a cure for communism other than the old Generanol Pinochetate.

[trish]

Scientists study, explain and quantify natural phenomena. Engineers, and medical researchers apply accepted scientific principles to solve practical problems. Medical researchers in particular and medical doctors are primarily concerned with prevention, cure and treatment of diseases and malfunctions of the human body.

Communism isn’t that kind of disease. According to Saint Ayn Rand, “Selfishness is a Virtue.” A corollary of her teaching is communism is a Sin - you know - like homosexuality and gender dysphoria. You don’t need a scientist to cure communism, you need a Prosperity Evangelical.

[Ts RedVeX]

Well, they ain't coming through the means of democracy are they?

Communism is like a cancerous tumour. It has to be removed whole, otherwise it grows back and spreads.

As for passing judgement on one's sins - leave that to God, would you?

[trish]

As for passing judgement on one's sins - leave that to God, would you?I am, I leaving it to God and you Prosperity Evangelicals to both judge and remove the tumor of communism, stamp out the rash of democracy and then enthrone the most beneficent, fairy-tale monarch the Earth has ever seen.

[buttslinger]

These posts prove to me once again that the year is only the year as seen through each individual's eyes, for me this has been the worst year since I lost my health, my job, and my house.
In the Political Year it's sadly funny that the only imperative the Republicans have seen necessary to act on is to slash corporate tax rates in half, and ensure that they are not only unpunished for the gross amount of money they've stolen throughout the years, their kids won't be taxed on it either. But on the bright side, only half of them would welcome a child molester to their Senate.

For Redvex, two stories I might have told before, second hand stories not bound by facts:
1) The Government once conducted a study to find out what makes people happy, so they could figure out the most effective way to dispense taxes to do the most good.
After several long months and several several millions of dollars, they discovered that it is money makes that people happy.
2) When Bernie Sanders was Mayor of Burlington, Vt. half his phone calls were complaints from the Burlington Branch of the Republican Party, crying foul over his communistic ways. When they called to complain that their street hadn't been plowed after a big snowstorm, he told them he couldn't do that because that would be communistic.

In the Religious year, I'm reminded of a thought by Sherlock Holmes
"There's almost no mystery that sleep can't solve"
or something like that.

[broncofan]

These posts prove to me once again that the year is only the year as seen through each individual's eyes, for me this has been the worst year since I lost my health, my job, and my house.
In the Political Year it's sadly funny that the only imperative the Republicans have seen necessary to act on is to slash corporate tax rates in half, and ensure that they are not only unpunished for the gross amount of money they've stolen throughout the years, their kids won't be taxed on it either. But on the bright side, only half of them would welcome a child molester to their Senate.

For Redvex, two stories I might have told before, second hand stories not bound by facts:
1) The Government once conducted a study to find out what makes people happy, so they could figure out the most effective way to dispense taxes to do the most good.
After several long months and several several millions of dollars, they discovered that it is money makes that people happy.
2) When Bernie Sanders was Mayor of Burlington, Vt. half his phone calls were complaints from the Burlington Branch of the Republican Party, crying foul over his communistic ways. When they called to complain that their street hadn't been plowed after a big snowstorm, he told them he couldn't do that because that would be communistic.

In the Religious year, I'm reminded of a thought by Sherlock Holmes
"There's almost no mystery that sleep can't solve"
or something like that.
I have liked your post for the first two paragraphs and even the interesting bullet point about Bernie Sanders which I want to fact check..not that I'm doubting you but I'm not even sure that's an ethical way to make a point:D. But where does Sherlock Holmes come into this? Was he a red? A redvex? I'm gonna sleep on it.

Edit: I should probably say I am sorry your year has been so rough. The things you compare it to are pretty tough. Hope 2018 is better...not that we should give up on December!

[sukumvit boy]

Jeez , buttslinger , hope things start turning around for you . Hang in there !

[sukumvit boy]

Thanks for the interesting points and links , Stavros.
Yes ,we thought we had Polio beaten a few years ago , thanks in large part to the work of the Gates Foundation but it flared up again in the war torn regions where vaccination has become impossible and the Taliban punishes vaccination by death.
As for Fusion Energy , it seems like it's always "a few decades away",LOL

[buttslinger]

Thanks for the well wishes. I think 2018 is going to be better for me and the USA.
Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character, my character is fictional also.
Just like the warning on most sex toys, my posts are meant as novelty items only, not for internal use.
But I hope everybody has a MERRY CHRISTMAS, or a happy Holiday Season, and a happy new year.

[Stavros]

Christmas is on January 7th, but the sentiments are received with grace. But how come you know so much about sex toys? Fair enough, you bought them for a friend.

[buttslinger]

Christmas is on January 7th, but the sentiments are received with grace. But how come you know so much about sex toys? Fair enough, you bought them for a friend.

January 7th? December 25th? Sex toys, Sherlock, Trump, what's the difference?

Scrooge: “Ghost of the Future, I fear you more than any spectre I have seen. ...
Scrooge: “I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year. I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me."

[Stavros]

January 7th? December 25th? Sex toys, Sherlock, Trump, what's the difference?


Try harder, Buttslinger, and you will see the differences as they spread out in your capable hands...

[buttslinger]

Try harder, Buttslinger, and you will see the differences as they spread out in your capable hands...

Hey, listen, you never know what people are up against. I was 43 when I found out I was technically 100% disabled,
That's the bad year I was talking about. I have heard the phrase "gee, you don't look disabled" about a thousand times.
I did look up January 7th to find out what you were talking about....do you live in Lithuania?

I used to draw as a kid. If you look at my posts as doodlings more than political positions, they might fall more into place. Whenever I find an old school paper, I don't remember the subject matter at all. But the little doodlings in the margins bring back the color, sounds, and fabric of that specific time. Like a Proust Cookie, I guess.
I have no doubt my disability has a hand in that.

[Ts RedVeX]

Prosperity evangelicals? Lazy commies who want to live off social benefits and dodgy socio-political projects like "global warming" would definitely have no prosperity in a normal country.

P.S. Sanders is the type of a jewish communist that would have to flee Europe back in the day to save his sorry red arse. He is an example of why both the nazis and stalinists were after jews in general and why there is still so much antisemitism present nowadays. I am surprised that you even mention this scumbag's name. The thought that he almost won the elections in the USA really says it all.

[broncofan]

Prosperity evangelicals? Lazy commies who want to live off social benefits and dodgy socio-political projects like "global warming" would definitely have no prosperity in a normal country.

P.S. Sanders is the type of a jewish communist that would have to flee Europe back in the day to save his sorry red arse. He is an example of why both the nazis and stalinists were after jews in general and why there is still so much antisemitism present nowadays. I am surprised that you even mention this scumbag's name. The thought that he almost won the elections in the USA really says it all.
Total thread hijack. Completely illogical. Just a waste of space to offer a rebuttal which you should be smart enough to anticipate. We were getting good vibes in this thread until now. Stop just seeking attention and post when you have something to say maybe.

[broncofan]

Christmas is on January 7th, but the sentiments are received with grace.
Then you have to wait longer but I'm sure it will be worth it. Merry Christmas. About a year ago I was speaking to a Bulgarian woman and it was around Christmas and we did the usual cultural exchange around the differences between Hanukkah and Christmas and present giving. I then asked her if she was Eastern Orthodox to which she said yes and I said, "oh so you celebrate Christmas in early January don't you?" I swear to you she had no idea what I was talking about. I am sure this was just a strange circumstance like she is not very religious.

Edit: crap I just answered my own question in a simple google search. No wonder it was an awkward exchange. https://www.whychristmas.com/cultures/bulgaria.shtml

[Ts RedVeX]

Then stop making idiots out of yourselves promoting your socialist bullshit on this board. I don't give a flying fuck about attention and if you had had a look at my webshite, twatter or instashit, or any of my ads I haven't been visited for weeks now you would have already known that. - That is what i think what I reckon to your crap the majority believes to be the key to success. And guess what. I am still around! After all those years... I also do not give a single fuck about what other people think of me because of my posts here. I do it because communists like yourself and the other members of your committee of mutual socialistic adoration and the ones you have democratically chosen have made it really hard to convince oneself to do other things than divide society into "right wing" communists and "left wing" communists. So fuck off. I'm gonna post whatever shit I would personally prefer to promote over your crap - just to keep the balance, hoping that a General is finally going to do fulfil his duty and save the nation. ..|,, c(--,-- )p ..|,,

[broncofan]

I don't give a flying fuck about attention and if you had had a look at my webshite, twatter or instashit, or any of my ads I haven't been visited for weeks now you would have already known that.,
So you'd like me to look at your website and all of your social media accounts to prove you don't like attention?:lol:

[trish]

Then stop making idiots out of yourselves promoting your socialist bullshit on this board. I don't give a flying fuck about attention and if you had had a look at my webshite, twatter or instashit, or any of my ads I haven't been visited for weeks now you would have already known that. - That is what i think what I reckon to your crap the majority believes to be the key to success. And guess what. I am still around! After all those years... I also do not give a single fuck about what other people think of me because of my posts here. I do it because communists like yourself and the other members of your committee of mutual socialistic adoration and the ones you have democratically chosen have made it really hard to convince oneself to do other things than divide society into "right wing" communists and "left wing" communists. So fuck off. I'm gonna post whatever shit I would personally prefer to promote over your crap - just to keep the balance, hoping that a General is finally going to do fulfil his duty and save the nation. ..|,, c(--,-- )p ..|,,I'm sorry you're feeling so badly about yourself and that no one is visiting to your various blogs and pages on social media. Life can be hard, but it doesn't mean you're difficulties are the result of an international communist conspiracy or even a 'committee' of nerds at HungAngels. Hang in there girl. Treat others well and you'll feel better about yourself and others will feel better about you too. Happy Holidays.

[Stavros]

P.S. Sanders is the type of a jewish communist that would have to flee Europe back in the day to save his sorry red arse. He is an example of why both the nazis and stalinists were after jews in general and why there is still so much antisemitism present nowadays. I am surprised that you even mention this scumbag's name. The thought that he almost won the elections in the USA really says it all.

Sanders is the type of a jewish communist that would have to flee Europe back in the day to save his sorry red arse.
-Be grateful that you live in a country that has been a refuge for the persecuted since the Edict of Nantes; that was a refuge for Poles threatened with death in the dying days of the Russian Empire; that became became a refuge for Jews fleeing certain death from the Nazis. Red ones, Blue ones, Yellow ones, transparent ones.

They were old, like Sigmund Freud; they were children, like Alf Dubs who came here from Prague on the Kindertransport. Some, like Peter Schidlof played the violin, others were like the father of a friend of mine who was a young lawyer in Berlin before being forced out to 'save his arse' whatever colour it was. Nobody asked them if they were communists, conservatives, anarchist or nihilist- only you could raise an accusing finger to their reality, a reality whose dread has passed you by with indifference, as if the Holocaust were but a footnote in time, or something to laugh at in a cheap video celebrating dictatorship and its murders.

We welcomed them because they are us, and we are they.

You are a disgrace to Poland where you were born, a country ransacked by the violence you seem to applaud; whose pilots fought and died alongside other Battle of Britain airmen, inflicting the first major defeat of the Germans in the war.

And you are a disgrace to humanity that long ago tossed your violence and hate into the dustbin of history.

then let men kill which cannot share,
let blood and flesh be mud and mire,
scheming imagine, passion willed,
freedom a drug that’s bought and sold

giving to steal and cruel kind,
a heart to fear, to doubt a mind,
to differ a disease of same,
conform the pinnacle of am

though dull were all we taste as bright,
bitter all utterly things sweet,
maggoty minus and dumb death
all we inherit, all bequeath

and nothing quite so least as truth
—i say though hate were why men breathe—
because my Father lived his soul
love is the whole and more than all

[Ts RedVeX]

SUre. Go, look, have a wank, like it if you like it, dislike it if you don't etc.

There is a difference between taking a refugee and letting him adapt, and taking a refugee and letting him and his absurd ideology take over. I think that sounds like a very contemporary problem over here, actually... Anyway, the reason why nobody asked them whether or not were they communist was because of the collective thinking, like the one propagated by the EU now, that all Jews are the same. Just to be clear I have nothing against Jews but I am against any Jew is a communist to be president, or hold any responsible administrative post.

[Ts RedVeX]

It is surprising how you say I am a disgrace to all the Poles because of my views but you cannot see how a communist Jew is a disgrace to other Jews.

"Omissions" of this sort are typical for all of you communist social justice warriors aren't they? The LGBT activists fight for gender equality claiming that it is good for everyone while it is actually gender inequality what makes transsexuals transition in the first place. They fight for "gay rights" while homosexuals do not want any privileges as they know that being member of the privileged group inevitably leads to hatred towards the group. Feminists fight for gender equality without thinking of "the average woman" wants her man to be the one to mend the fence in the garden or replace the punctured tire on the car while she prepares dinner of puts the washing on. I am pretty sure that you have never even thought how much of a disgrace feminists are to women, LGBT activists to transsexuals and homosexuals, or trade unions to workers...

[broncofan]

It pains me to do this but communism was not the cause of antisemitism. If it were, then there would not have been antisemitism before communism.

Also, if it were the cause of the Nazi persecution of Jews only Communists would have been killed, and Jews would have been killed only in the proportion they were communists. They might have even called the program to kill them the Final Solution to the Communist Question.

When you say that you don't support a Jew who is a communist, you are actually saying that his Jewishness makes his communism worse.

Also, you ask why Stavros called you a disgrace to Poles and Bernie Sanders is not a disgrace to Jews. Well let's see. You post videos of firing squads shooting caricatures of Jews and every other thing you write promotes violence, usually with recommendations for death by firing squad to those with different views than you. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, supports socialized health care. He is not in any sense an actual Marxist. If he were promoting Neo-Nazism he would indeed be a disgrace to Jews, in much the same way you disgrace Polish victims of Nazism when you try to paint the actions of the Nazis as a simple response to Communism.

Post-script-Communism is something fairly specific. It involves collective ownership of property. It does not mean that making collective judgments about ethnic groups is Communism. In fact, the group you go soft on, the Nazis did this.

[Stavros]

[QUOTE=Ts RedVeX;1806870]

The LGBT activists fight for gender equality claiming that it is good for everyone while it is actually gender inequality what makes transsexuals transition in the first place.
The transition is not the same for most transgendered people, and has more to do with their individual psychology than ideas about or grievances with equality. And where is the inequality if they begin their transition in a loving home?

They fight for "gay rights" while homosexuals do not want any privileges as they know that being member of the privileged group inevitably leads to hatred towards the group.
-If you don't like pigeon-holing people then why have you invented another label- 'Communist Jew'?

Feminists fight for gender equality without thinking of "the average woman" wants her man to be the one to mend the fence in the garden or replace the punctured tire on the car while she prepares dinner of puts the washing on.
-This is pure Hollywood, only it wasn't true even in the 1930s let alone the 1950s. My mother went to evening classes in carpentry and loved every minute of it, my father struggled to change a light-bulb. Gender equality was never about housework or baking, but the right to be treated equally as a person. If you can't see where it has come from, it is no surprise you are confused as to where it is going.

I am pretty sure that you have never even thought how much of a disgrace feminists are to women, LGBT activists to transsexuals and homosexuals, or trade unions to workers
-Feminists have not, as far as I know, committed mass murder, or rounded up thousands of people in the national stadium and selected them, one by one for torture and execution. It was the regime of Augusto Pinochet, not feminists, that trained large German Shepherd Dogs how to rape a woman when she is standing, stripped of her clothes in a certain position. It was this case that led the government of Harold Wilson to withdraw the UK's Ambassador to Chile in 1975. Choosing between the humane politics of Harold Wilson (many of whose policies I disagreed with) and the violence of Pinochet, you choose Pinochet, perhaps because of the way his brutal regime treated women?

-Over 50 years, LGBT activists have been able to secure legislation for equal rights at work for all, when before 'queers and queens' were faced with dismissal and discrimination in employment -you may not like the laws, but they work. And the change in attitudes since the 1960s has been phenomenal. That you can't accept that any LGBT activist had a role in social progress suggests you want to enjoy the outcome, but ignore the process that created it.

-Trade Unions have protected rights at work management was reluctant to provide- the right not to be dismissed without reason, the right to be given a hard hat or safety shoes, and the right to be paid on time which may seem trivial to you but there are millions of people in debt because they don't have Unions and don't get paid on time and have to borrow money -which you are opposed to- just to buy food. As for stagnant wages and falling standards of living, if more people were in Unions that fought for and won a larger slice of the pie, we would probably not have extremist politics appearing to be the only solution.

[trish]

it is actually gender inequality what makes transsexuals transition in the first place.

Honey, if you transitioned because of gender inequality, then I fear you made one big mistake. But good luck on finding that man who will mend your fences and change your tires. Still, don’t you expect to equal partners in whatever relationship you carve out for yourselves?

It is not a disgrace to women, to want equality under the law for everyone. You can have your fence mender and equality too. What is disgraceful is that someone who calls herself a women dares to make a statement like this...


Feminists fight for gender equality without thinking of "the average woman" wants her man to be the one to mend the fence in the garden or replace the punctured tire on the car while she prepares dinner of puts the washing on. I am pretty sure that you have never even thought how much of a disgrace feminists are to women...

[Stavros]

[QUOTE=broncofan;1806871
Post-script-Communism is something fairly specific. It involves collective ownership of property.[/QUOTE]

Marx believed communism would be the outcome of class struggle, ending it to create an ultimate reality in which private property would not exist, and individuals would live in a society without war, the state, taxes and religion -more or less the ideal society that Ayn Rand wanted to live in but without her malignant view of the human race as composed of an excess of 'unnecessary' people. Marx believed he was proposing in material terms what Hegel attempted to establish as the growth of consciousness from nothing to 'absolute being' which seems close to a Buddhist idea of what Nirvana might be. How one gets from a socialist revolution to communism has never been explained, with the attempts made so far, in China and the USSR proving to be a disaster, though it would take too long to explain why socialism was never implemented in these two countries, which became prisons of nationalist hysteria. It may never happen. Or if something like it does, it will probably not resemble anything Marx had in mind, for he was an remains a 19th century thinker, who made some contribution to modern economics and had some interesting ideas about work and social relations at work, but is in too many areas flawed to have much lasting impact on the future.

[Stavros]

And to get back to the topic that this thread is supposed to be about, perhaps we can admire the decision made by TIME magazine to make its 'person' of the year a group of courageous women. One only hopes the year ahead will not see their justice delayed, degraded or in some way relegated to the margins.

1043507

[Stavros]

If we choose, the year may be ending with the positive news that has focused on genetic research into disease, this year with regard to optimistic advances in Haemophilia A, and Huntingdon's Disease. The advances have not 'cured' those diseases, but are significant steps forward, though one notes in the article below, that even with something we ought to know more about -our own bodies- gene-based research and therapy can take 25 years to effect real change.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/17/stunning-gene-therapy-breakthrough-riposte-to-truth-tarnished-times

[blackchubby38]

And to get back to the topic that this thread is supposed to be about, perhaps we can admire the decision made by TIME magazine to make its 'person' of the year a group of courageous women. One only hopes the year ahead will not see their justice delayed, degraded or in some way relegated to the margins.

1043507

But this thread was originally about 2016.

[Stavros]

But this thread was originally about 2016.

True, but it spilled over. Why not start a new one for 2017?

[sukumvit boy]

True, but it spilled over. Why not start a new one for 2017?
Sorry, I was partially responsible for the "spillover" with my posts #11 and #12 on 1-12-17 and 2 weeks ago as I was responding to a previous thread and then when I posted the new "word of the year" 2 weeks ago I didn't know if we should to start a new thread at that time .
Probably should ,or change the name of this one if that is possible ?