Four dipshits murdered a girl

[Dudedude12345]

This has to stop




If that was somebody i knew they wouldn't have made it to court

[tacocorpv2]

These losers will have a fun time in prison. Probably as I type this there is another gruesome murder happening somewhere around... Sad world.

[Stavros]

This has to stop
If that was somebody i knew they wouldn't have made it to court

Are you saying that it was wrong of them to kill but it is ok if you do the same thing?

[Stavros]

These losers will have a fun time in prison. Probably as I type this there is another gruesome murder happening somewhere around... Sad world.

Turn on your tv or your radio and receive the reports from Las Vegas. These terrible events will continue to happen for as long as you give guns to people who should never have them. The USA has had numerous opportunities to do the courageous, sensible and obvious thing which is to restrict gun ownership but every time, no matter how horrendous the crime, you chicken out, and wait for another disturbed person to slaughter innocent people before deciding again to do nothing. Taking a life is the absolute removal of freedom, to preserve freedom, take away the guns.

[Dudedude12345]

There was no reason to kill her

[Aticus100]

Are you saying that it was wrong of them to kill but it is ok if you do the same thing?

While the merits or otherwise of capital punishment are a much bigger topic, the answer to your question is yes, it was the wrong for them to kill but may be right to kill them.

All killings are not the same. There is a difference between the senseless killing of an innocent victim and the retribution taken against a guilty murderer.

[Stavros]

While the merits or otherwise of capital punishment are a much bigger topic, the answer to your question is yes, it was the wrong for them to kill but may be right to kill them.
All killings are not the same. There is a difference between the senseless killing of an innocent victim and the retribution taken against a guilty murderer.

I can't agree with this, because murder is illegal, and it is only in cases based on self-defence pleas, or the obscenity of 'justifiable homicide' that murderers get off. In very few, if any, cases is murder justified, even in self-defence, as the option to wound is itself enough to end a confrontation and prevent the loss of life. Law enforcement in both the UK and the USA has been able to kill people even when they are unarmed, on a supposition rather than any factual observation of threat, and in all cases the alleged source of the threat could have been subdued and arrested, not killed. Once you start on the process of re-defining killing in order to justify it, you perform the trick that enables those killings to take place and exempt the killers from justice.

[whamm]

The USA has had numerous opportunities to do the courageous, sensible and obvious thing which is to restrict gun ownership but every time, no matter how horrendous the crime, you chicken out, and wait for another disturbed person to slaughter innocent people before deciding again to do nothing.

This isn't about chickening out. This is about an industry that has literally bought the acquiescence and cooperation of our state and federal legislators.

The gun industry profits hugely every time anyone says "gun control." Under Obama gun rights literally INCREASED, yet the whole nation thinks Democrats want to take your guns away.

Well, I'm a Democrat and I also own several guns and hunt and shoot regularly. I also want sensible gun law reform, like most everyone I know (including a lot of my Republican family).

Apologies for the rant, but I'm so sick of living in a country that is controlled by corporate interests over the well being of its citizens.

Flame on!

[Stavros]

This isn't about chickening out. This is about an industry that has literally bought the acquiescence and cooperation of our state and federal legislators.
The gun industry profits hugely every time anyone says "gun control." Under Obama gun rights literally INCREASED, yet the whole nation thinks Democrats want to take your guns away.
Well, I'm a Democrat and I also own several guns and hunt and shoot regularly. I also want sensible gun law reform, like most everyone I know (including a lot of my Republican family).
Apologies for the rant, but I'm so sick of living in a country that is controlled by corporate interests over the well being of its citizens.
Flame on!

I appreciate your post and its content. What I would suggest on the basis of reports on the BBC this evening, is that if Congress, when it votes on this issue again this week yet again kicks the can down the road, the change may come in State legislatures. Indeed, Nevada which has some of the most lenient laws on gun ownership, last year approved a measure to implement background checks, but it has not been implemented because it requires a third party, namely the FBI, to verify claims, yet the FBI says it cannot be ordered by Nevada to do this and doesn't have the resources to do it anyway. Whether this would have prevented the murderer from acquiring an arsenal I don't know as he doesn't seem to have any prior record.

But here is another thing: if States can step in where the Federal Government fears not to tread, maybe it is time to discuss why gun ownership should be legal and what it should look like. 19 rifles, some (all?) automatic were found in the shooter's room in the Mandalay Bay Casino Hotel with thousands of rounds of ammunition. What individual needs 19 weapons? How could he purchase so many? It is the lack of questioning why which might spark some deeper thoughts on why people feel they should own weapons. It is, at root, a cultural issue as well as a legal issue, something we don't really get in the UK where gun ownership is rare.

One has to hope this will begin to change attitudes, even as people despair that it will.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politi...cked/95924384/

[Dudedude12345]

What does this have to do with the topic?