60 minutes = $188 million in new debt

[Faldur]

Wow we went from debt to religion.

Ya, derailing my own thread. Ok, in the time it took me to make that last post we borrowed another $188 million from the Chinese.

[muh_muh]

can we just agree on that any form of mysticism christian or otherwise is complete hogwash?

Just one small thing - you omitted to mention gays, lesbians, bisexuals and the transgendered in your list of those for whom the warrior Christ spells the end, unless of course there's a special corner of hell already reserved for them.

good point
ive always wondered how being on this forum while being a fundmanetalist christian works

[hippifried]

Sorry spud, but you need to go & reread your own link on the trinity before you claim that your theology is mainstream.

You sleeping through Catechism is your own personal problem. Joshua's campaign, including the battle of Jerico (the oldest continuously occupied city in the world) was covered in detail. The destruction of the walls is a major miracle in the overall mythology of the old testiment, & catches attention of the young.

in the time it took me to make that last post we borrowed another $188 million from the Chinese.

We don't borrow money from the Chinese. We don't & never have borrowed money from another country. We sell bonds on the open market to whomever wants them. The Chinese buy US treasury notes because they know it's a good investment.

[trish]

Wow we went from debt to religion.

Indeed. And we also went through a discussion of evolution and climate change. Here’s the point.

Faldur may get an erection when he reads theres a meteorology station somewhere in the world that recorded a drop in the mean temperature anomaly over a one year span. But that doesn’t mean he’s a climate skeptic. It means he has an ideological bias against the current findings of climate science. At any given time you can find one pundit or another, or a pseudo-scientist or another who has a boner about a new development that disproves climate change, or evolution or proves that homosexuals can be cured, or that contrary to what most economists say, now is the worst time in the world to impose austerity measures on our economy. Real skeptics, real scientists don’t get boners. Just look at the crazy quilt that is his most recent post on the time-traveling Christ. Is there any evidence there, any at all, that Faldur has a skeptical bone in his body? Does he ask any hard questions of the thesis at all? One? There isn’t a skeptical bone in your body, Faldur. What you have is an ideological bias. When tickled it swells, twitches and sputters non-sense. The Warrior Christ who’s into Old Testament vengeance tickles your fancy. You want it to be true. You ask no critical questions. You pose no tests. You make up silly responses to the questions others ask and simply choose to ignore other questions. Why? Because you need a Warrior Christ. (May I remind you that you first evoked the time-traveling Christ to us in the thread concerning capital punishment.) The Warrior Christ justifies behavior the Merciful Christ would not. Who would Jesus bomb? Who would Jesus starve? Easy questions for the Warrior Christ. Not so easy for the God of Love. So after posting that drivel, don’t ever tell us again that you’re skeptical about anything. You’re not skeptical. You don’t know how to be a skeptic. You simply go where your boner leads.

Hi hippiefried. Thanks for the confirmation. My Catholic friends also tell me that Captain of the Lord is never depicted within their tradition as being the Christ. I want to thanks others of you who responded the questions and confirm so far that no one was ever explicitly taught that the Captain of the Lord is Christ.

I spoke to four professors of religious studies today. All of them quite knowledgable, all of them specializing in one or another area of the Christian tradition, though all of them are quite fluent in world religions. One of them is Lutheran. One Lutheran, now unitarian. One Methodist. One Calvinist. Each of them say that in their tradition, the Captain of the Lord is never properly interpreted as Christ, though the Calvinist wasn't as vehement as the rest...the rest expressing the opinion that such an interpretation in any Christian context is simply wrong or at best misleading. None of them could think of a major Christian denomination which would teach that the Captain of the Lord is Christ or even consent that it was a correct interpretation.

Faldur if you want a warrior Christ you need look no further than Revelations, the book to which all lunatics eventually turn to to justify their ways to God. Oh and the allusion to Milton reminds me, the angel Satan would probably let you bow him. Certainly the anti-Christ would. Are you sure the Captain of the Lord isn’t an early appearance of the anti-Christ?

[Faldur]

Oh and the allusion to Milton reminds me, the angel Satan would probably let you bow him. Certainly the anti-Christ would. Are you sure the Captain of the Lord isn’t an early appearance of the anti-Christ?

I know there were a lot of words in my previous response but had you taken the time to read it you would have seen this, (faldur quote of previous response), "The only two possibilities would be it was God, and had to be God the Son, (If it were God the Father Joshua would have not survived the encounter), or it was Lucifer. Lucifer would be the only angel, (however fallen), that would allow man to worship him."

If you have access to these biblical scholars, ask each of them, (including the Calvanist), wether they agree that the Trinity was present at creation. Genesis 1:2, Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. If they deny that fact, your not talking to scholars.

Print out the "Has seen" and the "Has not seen" verses and go back to your scholars and ask them how they would explain the contradictions created if the "Captain (Commander) of the Lords Army" was not Jesus. Then let them know a construction worker without any college education knows more about biblical theology, and in-particular about Christophany, then 3 of 4 scholars.

And in regard to the comments posted about gays, or homosexuals. All mankind is condemned to sin, been that way since the garden. If homosexuals cannot be saved then no sinner can be saved. God doesn't differentiate between types of sin. The only sin listed as unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Sprit. He hates all sin, so much so he sent his Son to die on the cross so that all sinners may be saved. Yes that INCLUDES homosexuals, murderers and telemarketers.

[trish]

I'm not arguing the theological point with you, because I don't even grant the premises. My religious studies people merely confirmed the sociological point that your hypothesis is a doodad, an add-on, a baroque curlique that is not a recognized part of the theology of any major Christian denomination, thus refuting your claim that everybody believed it, even (to the best of your knowledge) Catholics. So much for the best of your knowledge. But hey, you're smarter than those scholars who have devoted their lives in pursuit of religious studies, just like you're smarter than those scientists who actually scour the data, construct models and test hypothesis.

[BluegrassCat]

That IS surprising. That someone with no higher education would know more about biology, climatology & religion than ALL of the experts & scholars in those fields. Kinda strains credulity. Maybe he's that Good Will Hunting dude.

[Faldur]

That IS surprising. That someone with no higher education would know more about biology, climatology & religion than ALL of the experts & scholars in those fields. Kinda strains credulity. Maybe he's that Good Will Hunting dude.

Really? I know nothing about biology, or climatology. Sorry studied religion most of my life so I am somewhat opinionated about it. You don't need a classroom to learn, there are these things called books. You ought to try reading some, you might learn something.

I am responsible for my own opinion and discernment. I read on things I do not know, like any responsible citizen I study the facts and come to my own conclusions. Its just hard for you to accept that someone can come up with an opinion other than yours. Get over it spud, I am an independent thinker. A liberal's worst nightmare.

[Bobby Domino]

You have to watch a doc called "Jesus Camp." It touches on that exact subject. Came out in 2006, I believe...

It strikes me that such people are slowly dragging their vision of America ever closer to the Christian equivalent of the militant Islamic states that they so affect to despise.

[yodajazz]

Indeed. And we also went through a discussion of evolution and climate change. Here’s the point.
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Faldur if you want a warrior Christ you need look no further than Revelations, the book to which all lunatics eventually turn to to justify their ways to God. Oh and the allusion to Milton reminds me, the angel Satan would probably let you bow him. Certainly the anti-Christ would. Are you sure the Captain of the Lord isn’t an early appearance of the anti-Christ?

I had not heard of "the Captain of the Lord", before. But I am in agreement with Trish, about the role of Revelations in Christian theology. I have observed that those focused more on the 'end times', vision seem to lose the vision of Christ, who commanded us to love. With some of the emphasis in Revelations on chaos, wars, politics, it is if some of those types of believers practically delight in negative events. This negativity is suppose to signal the return of Chirst. Now we have groups, like the New Apostolic Reformation, and the International House of Prayer, who feel that they should be directly involved in politics, among other things. These were groups that were highly visible at an event that Gov Rick Perry, spoke at recently. I understand that these groups feel that much of the world is controlled by demons. High on thier list is the belief, that demons promote the acceptance of homosexuality.

I do want to make the point the I love Jesus, and consider his teachings as an essential part of my belief system. I believe that he lives in me and in everyone, who expresses a true (universal) love. So I dont need a Christ to return, and say "that we need smaller government, and less Wall Street regulation", in order to benefit from his time, here on earth. In fact, I believe that he would be very critical, of a world ruled by money, debt, and profit margins, as opposed to other human concerns.

I consider much of the book of Revelations to be anti Chirst, with its focus on war and beasts, for example. So when I hear a person, who quotes many ideas from it, and not other parts, I wonder about thier purpose in life. So many are steeped in negativity. One young man comes to mind. He put out a 13 part YouTube video series. His major premise, was that acceptance, or tolerance of homosexuals, was part Satan's plan to take over the earth. Not much at all was said about the world's financial system. Last I remember of him, he was starting a camp, with an emphasis on survival, (he spoke often of end times narratives). I suspect there were some military overtones, in his camp. By the way, there is a Bible verse, where Jesus told his followers to sell their cloaks, and purchase swords, but I believe that was related to a specific instance, because he knew he would be arrested, with 24 hours, his his followers could also suffer some persecution.

Part of my belief system, is that Christ is already here, through his life exmple of love supreme. So he does time travel, to some extent. But to some extent, we all live on after death to whatever legacy of love we leave behind. When we leave money, it is only as good as, to what good it produces, (further expressions of love). So in this view, love can be eternal, and certainly as long as evidence of human life on earth exists.