60 minutes = $188 million in new debt

[trish]

If evolution were factual eskimos would have fur. I won't bore you with pages after pages of SCIENTIFIC facts that prove the theory wrong.
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And by the way, 3 on 1 really? Can't you guys and gals find more help?

You really are a stupid shit!! So really?? You've got pages and pages of hilarious "scientific facts" like that one??! Now I am laughing out loud. But that's what you come here for right? A public spanking and a little humiliation. So wipe away those tears sissyboi, your mascara's running.

Here, maybe O'Reilly can help you out.

[BluegrassCat]

There are no examples to find. No country has every buried itself in a hole as deep as us and tried to dig out. It hasn't been done. Only one country I know has dug a deeper hole, and that was Japan. There idea seems to be keep digging and sooner or later you will reach the surface.

Don't you see how that's a huge problem for your argument? The vast majority of economists say that cutting spending now would be disastrous. We actually have a very good example in the Great Depression and how large-scale deficit spending by the govt was what it took to get us finally back on track. The lesson is perfectly clear: expansionary policy is the correct move.

You claim that this is wrong but don't provide any evidence, you just ask us to take it on faith. Same with your position on evolution, faith-based not fact-based. If that's how you want to make decisions in life, based on how you think god wants us to, well that's fine, but don't confuse that with evidence-based decision making.

Your precious evolution is nothing but a theory. It is not scientific law, or a law of biology. If evolution were factual eskimos would have fur. I won't bore you with pages after pages of SCIENTIFIC facts that prove the theory wrong. I don't think you would read them anyways.

You choose to believe in evolution, based off your own research and knowledge. I choose not, based upon the same.

There are 0 (none, nada) reputable biologists who question the theory of evolution. You are denying evolution for religious reasons, not by studying the science.

Why do I not get the same rights as you? It really seems liberals only believe in freedom when it aligns with there own beliefs.

I don't know what kind of power you think I have over you but I certainly can't restrict your freedom, nor have I have ever advocated that the government do so. You're free to say all the incorrect things you want and I'm free to call you on it.

[Faldur]

BGC, the lesson is far from perfectly clear. Justify the continued spending and the effect it will have on our economic growth? Have you noticed our economy is a 0 growth? The continued spending will lead us into a depression far worse than the first. No country has ever spent themselves so foolishly into a corner as ours. Its thinking and reasoning like yours that has gotten us here. Its independent, right thinking that is going to clean up your mess.

Trish, you wanna believe in a tooth fairy that tells you that global warming is going to destroy the earth. Be my guest, do the same with your little evolution scheme. Neither can be proven and as SCIENCE is proving both are incorrect.

No one spanks my ass here sweet heart, I do just fine holding my own. Easy when your out of valid points to just start calling someone names. Be my guest, I'm a big boy.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163678/pg1
http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...on-genes-wrong
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

[Faldur]

I don't know what kind of power you think I have over you but I certainly can't restrict your freedom, nor have I have ever advocated that the government do so. You're free to say all the incorrect things you want and I'm free to call you on it.

I'm not talking about power, I'm talking about respect in debate. Have I once called you an idiot or stupid because your opinion differs from mine? I listen and read your points. Where I come from anyone who offers up an educated opinion deserves to be heard, however you may disagree. Its about respectful debate. The left has seemed to have lost it. If they don't agree with someone they must be stupid, or a racist. I'll let my example speak for itself. You can't gain anything in debate if your not open to listen, and respect is just human decency.

[trish]

Trish, you wanna believe in a tooth fairy that tells you that global warming is going to destroy the earth. Be my guest, do the same with your little evolution scheme.

Oh now you're going to play the skeptic? You're willing to believe in the time-traveling Christ who supposedly appears (but is never named or recognized as such) in odd places throughout the Old Testament...you know the Captain of the Lord who appeared before Joshua before the battle of Jericho (Why couldn't the Captain have been an Archangel? lol "Because there are no such things as gods and angels" would be the sane answer, but it's not an option for you). But you're going to play the skeptic on evolution, and global climate change because you've scoured the libraries and read the actual scientific evidence and found it lacking. Yeah, right. You'd rather put your faith in argumentation like "If-eeevilushun-were-keyrect-Eskimos-would-have-fur. [Look up basal metabolic rates, protective fatty tissue surrounding vital organs and vasoconstriction responses as they relate to Arctic peoples. Also check out the variability of hair density in Asian populations that were the likely progenitors of the Arctic populations before the Ice Age migrations.]

Neither can be proven and as SCIENCE is proving both are incorrect.

Wrong. You've got it backwards. Science is putting more and more of pieces together every day. Every internationally respected biologist in the world subscribes to and depends upon the theory of evolution in their own work. No internationally respected climatologist denies that global climate shift is occurring and that it is in part due to anthropocentric greenhouse forcing. But of course, skeptic that you are, you're willing to believe anything the conservative press tells you instead of reading actually scientific papers from refereed journals in climate science, or refereed articles discussing inheritance and mutation of genetic material in journals on dedicated to the topic. Have you even read Darwin's On the Origin of Species?

[BluegrassCat]

Trish, you wanna believe in a tooth fairy that tells you that global warming is going to destroy the earth. Be my guest, do the same with your little evolution scheme. Neither can be proven and as SCIENCE is proving both are incorrect.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163678/pg1
http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reasons.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...on-genes-wrong
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

I guess I'm a little confused why you would post these links. The first two are terribly amateurish (evanwiggs even gets the definition of evolution wrong) but the 3rd link then proceeds to explain why & how all the anti-evolution arguments in the other links are complete nonsense. The guardian piece doesn't even argue against evolution at all so if I assume you read all these links I would assume you accepted the truth of evolution as well.

Again, you have your religious beliefs and you're entitled to them but you need to be honest about what evidence there is for your claims and in this case...there isn't any. The entire science establishment accepts the fact of evolution, so when someone denies it, it's a pretty clear signal that this person is not reasoning based on facts but on faith and religion. If I maintained, contrary to all evidence, that the moon was made of blue cheese, wouldn't you take my other assertions less seriously? Same thing goes here.

[BluegrassCat]

BGC, the lesson is far from perfectly clear. Justify the continued spending and the effect it will have on our economic growth? Have you noticed our economy is a 0 growth? The continued spending will lead us into a depression far worse than the first. No country has ever spent themselves so foolishly into a corner as ours. Its thinking and reasoning like yours that has gotten us here. Its independent, right thinking that is going to clean up your mess.

Two things...

First and this is getting redundant, there is plenty of evidence that what we need is more spending. The stimulus was great as far as it went but it was too small. According to the accounting methodology developed by conservative Holtz-Eakin the stimulus had x2 mutliplier, meaning that for every dollar we spent, we got back 2 in GDP.

You have no evidence that austerity will help at all but you just keep saying it as a matter of faith.

Second, what is it that you think will happen from all this bad debt? You keep saying how "out of control" our spending is, well what is it you're so terrified of happening? High unemployment? We already have it. Credit rating downgrade? Got it. Inability to pay SS & Medicare benefits? You already advocate cutting those. The point is, that all the boogeymen the right promises as reasons to cut spending, unemployment & reduced benefits are exactly what the GOP's policies are designed to accomplish immediately. You want to cure a cold by amputating the head. Glad I'm not sick [/Dangerfield].

[hippifried]

Ok, I will admit I needed a good laugh. "Retreat"? You have some dimwitted idiot spending money faster than the fed can print and you call correcting that action cowardice? I beg your pardon, the cowards are the ones that just continue to hide their heads in the sand and let the norm continue. It takes a brave individual to take a stand and say ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT.

Yeah, enough of your shit. You idiots are trying to put the US on an economic par with central Africa. You don't know what you're talking about. We're not broke. It's just a lie told in furthurance of a power grab. You swallowed that hook like a trout. I can't tell if you're just gullible or dishonest, but either way you're promoting the lie & trying to get the USA into surrender mode. Maybe you should move to France.

Can you give me one example when that debt has been anywhere near the ratio to GDP ratio we are currently at?

WWII comes to mind right off hand. All done on a borrowed dime. Took over 20 years to pay it off, & that was in the middle of the biggest economic boom in history. How long you figure it'll take to pay this off if y'all manage to get us into the permanent recession you'r aiming for?

[Faldur]

Oh now you're going to play the skeptic? You're willing to believe in the time-traveling Christ who supposedly appears (but is never named or recognized as such) in odd places throughout the Old Testament...you know the Captain of the Lord who appeared before Joshua before the battle of Jericho (Why couldn't the Captain have been an Archangel?

Quite simply Trish, through out the Old Testament when ever an angel appeared in scripture if anyone tried to bow or worship them they were reprimanded, that the angel was not Lord. When Joshua fell before commander of the army of the Lord and worshiped him he received no such reprimand. In fact he was told the same thing as Moses at the burning bush, "Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place you are standing is holy." It could only be holy ground if God himself was present. And do remember God can be 1=3=1. Michael the Archangel would and could never had made the same statements.

[hippifried]

And by the way, 3 on 1 really? Can't you guys and gals find more help?

Oh... You mean you can't find anybody stupid, cowardly, dishonest, or gullible enough to help you out?