Bad things happening in London

[sexyasianescorts]

Water Canons and Plartic bullets aprooved. Well done but that only took 4 days of riots

Scotland are now on alert so be careful up there

Chloe x

[dbev]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/claim-yo...art-riots.html

Violence in Leicester after “journalists” tried to pay off kids, according to Tweets
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, August 10, 2011
As massive unrest plaguing the United Kingdom spread from London to other cities last night, claims emerged that individuals calling themselves journalists were offering to pay youths to start riots, suggesting an effort to provocateur some of the violence.
According to Tweets sent by people who were in the city of Leicester last night trying to secure their communities, kids were being told to cause mayhem in return for cash. Leicester was hit by violence later that night, as youths attacked buildings in the city center.
“There were swarms of hooded Asian, black and white youths in their 20s, and some as young as 12, being hounded out of Leicester city centre at around midnight,” nightclub owner James Cockerill told the BBC.

[Yvonne183]

Yvonne for general of the tgirl army

I would rather be Field Marshall, like my hero, The King of Scotland Idi Amin.


Funny thing,,, rioters in Libya are called protesters and protesters in the UK are called rioters.

[Hebrew Hammer]

Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.
How can you be a MEGA city in what is already one of the most locked down nations on earth and not have a police force with proper training enough to put down a riot early?

[robertlouis]

Water Canons and Plartic bullets aprooved. Well done but that only took 4 days of riots

Scotland are now on alert so be careful up there

Chloe x

Yes but...

Water cannons available "on 24 hours notice".

"Sorry rioters, we haven't got the cannons just now, can you come back same time tomorrow?"

Wanker politicians.

[robertlouis]

If you would have read my other post on this thread there you will see I gave an example on how guns would have helped. if you don't want to go back and read it I will say it again.

When I lived in the Bronx there was a blackout and looting in 1977. Many stores were destroyed by the thugs. But some store owners, especially those owners along Westchester Ave, Arthur Ave, Took shotguns and stood or sat in chairs in front of their stores. The shotguns were never used but these stores were not attacked by the thugs


You English have every right to run your country the way you want, if that means no one can own guns, so be it. But I just gave you an example on how guns do protect. You can give many examples of the horrors of guns but guns do protect people.

You have just witnessed how helpless your police are when an emergency arises, it takes days before they can react. It is very similar here in the US in some places like Baltimore, the police aren't always able to answer a call for help and that is not under a riot condition. Here in the US the police are an "after the fact" force. they are no way able to protect anyone in an emergency, the people have to do it themselves or they will be harmed or die.

So, all you English, get out your brooms and clean the mess that the thugs created,, that'll show the thugs that you guys mean business, ha ha ha

Sorry Yvonne, I hadn't read your earlier post which puts it all into context.

I take your point, but in light of our present gun laws, which I personally hope remain every bit as draconian as they do now in spite of these riots, many shopkeepers are organising themselves into unofficial response units wielding baseball bats, coshes and (this is England after all) cricket bats!

There hasn't been any official response to this that I've heard so far, but if the police are too stretched to defend property, businesses and livelihoods, then it's difficult to see what else people can do apart from stand back and watch their businesses burn down. The test will come of and when the police decide to take action against someone who uses what's seen as undue force in protecting their property. That's when the balloon will really go up.

And it's actually heartening to see the real communities get together to clear up the mess. Don't laugh at these people.

And finally, sweety, I'm not English....

[robertlouis]

Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.
How can you be a MEGA city in what is already one of the most locked down nations on earth and not have a police force with proper training enough to put down a riot early?

Nobody could have realistically anticipated violence on this scale spreading at such a speed - the last time we experienced something like this was exactly 30 years ago. You don't staff up for a once in a generation possibility.

And what makes us a "locked down" society? The lack of access to guns?

I'd far rather live here, thank you.

[Yvonne183]

Sorry Yvonne, I hadn't read your earlier post which puts it all into context.

I take your point, but in light of our present gun laws, which I personally hope remain every bit as draconian as they do now in spite of these riots, many shopkeepers are organising themselves into unofficial response units wielding baseball bats, coshes and (this is England after all) cricket bats!

There hasn't been any official response to this that I've heard so far, but if the police are too stretched to defend property, businesses and livelihoods, then it's difficult to see what else people can do apart from stand back and watch their businesses burn down. The test will come of and when the police decide to take action against someone who uses what's seen as undue force in protecting their property. That's when the balloon will really go up.

And it's actually heartening to see the real communities get together to clear up the mess. Don't laugh at these people.

And finally, sweety, I'm not English....

Ha ha ha,, Scottish-English, same thing, lol Come to the US and you would be neither Scottish or English, you'd be classified as other. If you go to New York you'd be Irish. ha

I don't laugh at the people themselves, I just laugh at the foolishness. The exact same thing would happen in liberal areas of Baltimore, instead of fighting for their property, they would have a wine and cheese party of love and understanding. Thugs fear a few things, being beaten up, or being killed, they don't fear the police, they don't fear jail and they certainty don't fear a broom sweep up party. They will be back cause your laws and lifestyle creates their behavior,, they will be back it's now you're future.


And for crying out loud,, am I right, are you really Scottish? The same guys who marched right into battle playing drums and bagpipes. Why the fear of guns from such a tough lot like you guys. Why don't the people use a bit of that old Scotch toughness and kick the thugs asses? The Scotch, Welsh, English, Irish decedents here in redneckville wouldn't sit back and wait 4 days for the police to arrive. I might not like how rednecks show hate towards me, but I am much more safer living in a redneckish area than some inner city liberal areas. Despite what one thinks, the rednecks do stand together when challenged and I gotta give them credit for that, unlike most city liberals who think the police and laws will protect them, sometimes liberals seem to live in a dream world when it comes to personal safety.

[Hebrew Hammer]

Nobody could have realistically anticipated violence on this scale spreading at such a speed - the last time we experienced something like this was exactly 30 years ago. You don't staff up for a once in a generation possibility.

And what makes us a "locked down" society? The lack of access to guns?

I'd far rather live here, thank you.

Mass surveillance, detention without trial for citizens.... and it doesn't take a massive amount of resources to have your officers annually trained in a refresher course on how to handle this type of situation. The hire ups of the police force acted too little too late. An increased presence of force early on could have easily kept this this from evolving into the mass reason to riot that it's become. The mob mentality of citizens who otherwise wouldn't have normally joined in on the rioting was encouraged by a lack of commitment from any significant reactionary force. The metropolitan police just dug their heads in the sand and hoped it would all blow over.

[robertlouis]

Ha ha ha,, Scottish-English, same thing, lol Come to the US and you would be neither Scottish or English, you'd be classified as other. If you go to New York you'd be Irish. ha

I don't laugh at the people themselves, I just laugh at the foolishness. The exact same thing would happen in liberal areas of Baltimore, instead of fighting for their property, they would have a wine and cheese party of love and understanding. Thugs fear a few things, being beaten up, or being killed, they don't fear the police, they don't fear jail and they certainty don't fear a broom sweep up party. They will be back cause your laws and lifestyle creates their behavior,, they will be back it's now you're future.


And for crying out loud,, am I right, are you really Scottish? The same guys who marched right into battle playing drums and bagpipes. Why the fear of guns from such a tough lot like you guys. Why don't the people use a bit of that old Scotch toughness and kick the thugs asses? The Scotch, Welsh, English, Irish decedents here in redneckville wouldn't sit back and wait 4 days for the police to arrive. I might not like how rednecks show hate towards me, but I am much more safer living in a redneckish area than some inner city liberal areas. Despite what one thinks, the rednecks do stand together when challenged and I gotta give them credit for that, unlike most city liberals who think the police and laws will protect them, sometimes liberals seem to live in a dream world when it comes to personal safety.

Yvonne, from your perspective and from your experience you are absolutely right, because your laws, culture and history allow for citizens' armed response to things like this. Ours doesn't, and it's too big a switch to start changing it suddenly, especially in response to one series of incidents like this. We do things differently here, and on balance that's how I'd like it to stay.

As for community tidying, these are hard, working-class communities, not effete liberals (like me lol) who are showing their ability to pull together in defiance of right-wing media declarations that it is their youngsters that have caused the destruction in the first place. All power to them.

OK, I admit that I live in a small rural community and am therefore very unlikely to experience any of the mayhem of the last few days and nights in the cities, but I have never and will never subscribe to the "stop violence, arm the police" rhetoric.

As a Glaswegian - and few cities in the world have a harder reputation - I'll stand up to anyone with my fists, but I'm not going to carry a knife or worse still a gun under any circumstances, and I mean any.

And for the record, knowing that there are almost as many guns in private ownership as there are people in the US doesn't make me feel safer when I travel to your country. Quite the opposite.