My point of view on prostitution

[dbev]

I also agree.

I also say that this hierarchy is what keeps me from getting a "normal" job so I have to do whatever to survive. I just think that society needs to be fixed as a whole before one thinks that prostitution can be altered or ended.

Agreed and seconded.

And Dbev, I feel that you're wrong saying that all customers(men) are perverts. There are some very very lonely men out there who need companionship, even for a short time. And i have found that there is an emotional attachment to some guys, it's not all "wham bam thank you mam". Some guys I met needed someone to talk to cause society through the media keeps telling people what is beautiful and what isn't.

Agreed and seconded.

As Teydyn said above:

Thats so easy, everyone is a supermodel with an outgoing personality, rich, well spoken. No one is shy, fat, poor, socially akward or just plain ugly. And if people like that even existed, too bad for them. They will never ever touch someone beautiful.

People are social animals, they need comfort from others, not all are good at talking and meeting people, so they resort to what they do, pay for companionship. And some take gifts for being that other person.

Agreed and seconded, but not entirely.

What you describe is not sad, and is not something to be fixed?

I have a question for the OP. If having sex for money is wrong, then what is your opinion on someone getting paid for sex in a porn movie?

And I'll reply honestly.

As I said, I'm switching from professional to amateur porn.

But you're right!

I've always tried to avoid professional porn where I can understand that the producer is also involved in the scene, because that is prostitution to me.

On the other hand, I think that, if two people are both paid to stage a simulacrum of sex, they can be seen as two professionals acting.

Many thanks Yvonne for your reply.

[Yvonne183]

Agreed and seconded.



Agreed and seconded.



Agreed and seconded, but not entirely.

What you describe is not sad, and is not something to be fixed?



And I'll reply honestly.

As I said, I'm switching from professional to amateur porn.

But you're right!

I've always tried to avoid professional porn where I can understand that the producer is also involved in the scene, because that is prostitution to me.

On the other hand, I think that, if two people are both paid to stage a simulacrum of sex, they can be seen as two professionals acting.

Many thanks Yvonne for your reply.

You're welcome and thanks for answering back. I would reply but I don't know what simulacrum means.

[BellaBellucci]

The Yin and Yang theory says that we need balance, so the masculine and the femine must be in equilibrium.

But I tend to agree that women are better in almost everything and when they run things, and they keep their feminine characteristics, things are better.

I love and respect women and their absolute rights to self-determination, wasn't this clear enough?

The Yin and Yang have never been in balance, but eliminating clients for prostitutes does nothing to alleviate that condition. In fact, you're taking away one of the very few sources of female empowerment over our male counterparts by viewing sex as a commodity to which everyone has a right. They don't, and that fact actually helps get us closer to balance IMO because money for sex is fair. If you're a 3 and you want a 10, you should pay for it instead of denying yourself because of some questionable economic boogeyman. Trust me, she ain't gonna sleep with you for free. Hell, most women wouldn't even do it for money.

If you respect self-determination, then you should, by definition, also respect the free market transaction between a prostitute and her client, but you don't. I agree with a lot of what you say in terms of creating equality in the economy, but choosing prostitution as a scapegoat on a site on which many of the girls prostitute as a means of survival, and without offering a real solution to the income issue for women, comes off as trollish, whether that was your intention or not. You really have to admit that.

~BB~

[dbev]

You're welcome and thanks for answering back. I would reply but I don't know what simulacrum means.

an image or representation of someone or something:a small-scale simulacrum of a skyscraper

an unsatisfactory imitation or substitute:a bland simulacrum of American soul music

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/simulacrum

[BellaBellucci]

an image or representation of someone or something:a small-scale simulacrum of a skyscraper

an unsatisfactory imitation or substitute:a bland simulacrum of American soul music

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/simulacrum

So what you're saying is that porn's only OK if the sex is fake or if the people involved are already in a relationship, meaning that they have not been 'coerced' by money to perform the act. And you're OK with it being 'an unsatisfactory imitation?' Try starting a thread about this topic here and see how far it goes!

People who accept sex for money are not being coerced. They're being paid for a service. Coercion happens through wages, not self-employment. I don't understand how you can't see that. The only exploitation that I see in prostitution is in the competition of prostitutes who have a race-to-the-bottom attitude towards their rates. You want to level the playing field? Regulate prostitution. Don't outlaw it, particularly not for one party versus the other.

~BB~

[dbev]

The Yin and Yang have never been in balance, but eliminating clients for prostitutes does nothing to alleviate that condition. In fact, you're taking away one of the very few sources of female empowerment over our male counterparts by viewing sex as a commodity that everyone has a right to. They don't, and that fact actually helps get us closer to balance IMO because money for sex is fair. If you're a 3 and you want a 10, you should pay for it instead of denying yourself because of some questionable economic boogeyman.

If you respect self-determination, then you should, by definition, also respect the free market transaction between a prostitute and her client, but you don't. I agree with a lot of what you say in terms of creating equality in the economy, but choosing prostitution as a scapegoat on a site on which many of the girls prostitute as a means of survival, and without offering a real solution to the income issue for women, comes off as trollish, whether that was your intention or not. You really have to admit that.

~BB~

I admit wholeheartedly that the issue is big, and that our society has always been a mess and it's an enourmous problem.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough or you didn't read carefully all my messages.

I don't consider myself to be stupid... I simply and plainly don't like what the Homo Sapiens built on this planet.

I ask questions. I question myself and the current "order" and try apply what I think is a humanist approach to life.

There is not right to use other people's body for one's own pleasure. And you need to consider also children prostitution and sex slavery in the picture.

As you also said, people prostitute themselves for money, either because they don't have it all or because they want more and more.

I hate the free market because it's a con to everyone.

[dbev]

So what you're saying is that porn's only OK if the sex is fake or if the people involved are already in a relationship, meaning that they have not been 'coerced' by money to perform the act. And you're OK with it being 'an unsatisfactory imitation?' Try starting a thread about this topic here and see how far it goes!

People who accept sex for money are not being coerced. They're being paid for a service. I don't understand how you can't see that. The only exploitation that I see in prostitution is in the competition of prostitutes who have a race-to-the-bottom attitude towards their rates. You want to level the playing field? Regulate prostitution. Don't outlaw it, particularly not for one party versus the other.

~BB~

No Bella, you didn't understand a word of what I wrote. And now I'm a bit tired.

Have a nice life, if you can given the world we live in, while I get some rest.

[BellaBellucci]

There is not right to use other people's body for one's own pleasure. And you need to consider also children prostitution and sex slavery in the picture.

You should tell that to most husbands prior to the 1960's... and some that exist today who would disagree with that idea. Furthermore, not all prostitution is without mutual physical enjoyment. Not to mention that fact that some girls like to be 'used.' There are plenty of submissive people out there who take psychological and physical enjoyment from prostitution. Sure, it's the exception, not the rule, but that doesn't make it any less true. In a truly free society, a person has the right to exploit themselves if they so choose.

And again there are those who just see it as a job and nothing more:



I mean look at the girls on this site who do porn. Plenty of them know they're being exploited financially, even if they're not being so sexually, and not only do they continue to perform, but they cast out people who argue for their rights with fierce opposition. And hell, not to make this about me, but the systematic destruction of my would-be porn career by those who should be agreeing with me is excellent evidence of that fact. While I don't like it, and I think that it's counterproductive to political advancement, it is their right and even I have never said otherwise.

Prostitutes need other opportunities, not just condemnation by proxy in a system that scares all of their clients away. Not to mention that fact that it's been proven over and over and over and over again that sex trafficking numbers are inflated for political purposes.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

No Bella, you didn't understand a word of what I wrote. And now I'm a bit tired.

Actually, it's exactly what you said. I even quoted you. So, umm...

~BB~

[trish]

There is not right to use other people's body for one's own pleasure.

Of course not. But the claim that there is not right, has no relevance to the issue of whether is can be right in some instances and wrong in others.

And you need to consider also children prostitution and sex slavery in the picture.

Of course. But just because children shouldn't be forced to drive rivets into steel girders while balancing themselves a hundred stories above the ground, it doesn't follow that we should ban riveting generally. Children shouldn't be prostitutes, women shouldn't be slaves. Agreed. But where is the argument against the self-employed escort selling her services?

Because children shouldn't be forced to have babies, perhaps you also think women shouldn't take money to be surrogate mothers?