My point of view on prostitution

[Teydyn]

I strongly oppose criminalizing prostitutes

Good, might have misread you there. Only way to go to help them is by legalizing it.

I only think that clients must be firstly imprisoned even is they engage in using the body of a "consenting" adult, and then cured

You seem to think that no woman wants to be a SW, so she is not consenting. Wrong. There are many who do this job because they want to. BIG difference to being forced into prostitution. But then still the prostitution isnt the bad thing, the "being forced into it" is.
Btw, cured of what? A Sex drive?

I strongly suggest everyone to value themselves and find a legally consenting partner, even for casual sex, there are plenty of occasions

Thats so easy, everyone is a supermodel with an outgoing personality, rich, well spoken. No one is shy, fat, poor, socially akward or just plain ugly. And if people like that even existed, too bad for them. They will never ever touch someone beautiful.

I think that chastity is not natural.

For some it would be the only option.

[BellaBellucci]

You know that is not the same.

That's your argument? How is it not the same? Somebody pays for a service and the person being paid provides it. The only reason you feel that it's 'not the same' is because of the ethical implications and your own obtuse view to which you came using disputed facts to support your opinions instead of using your opinions (theories) to motivate you to search for the truth.

In any case:

1. I strongly oppose criminalizing prostitutes;
2. I only think that clients must be firstly imprisoned even is they engage in using the body of a "consenting" adult, and then cured;
3. I strongly suggest everyone to value themselves and find a legally consenting partner, even for casual sex, there are plenty of occasions;
4. I think that chastity is not natural.

Some things should not be on the market for sale... because they are sold for money and we all know who is the owner of our money (central banks) and why we fight for survival while some people are extremely rich (the issue the money on behalf of States, they sell it to us, we pay it with our debt).

So you want to jail men for having urges for which they pay to experience, which helps keep women out of government programs like welfare and Section 8 because of central banking? If you really want to help women, argue for a closure of the wage gap and encourage business to hire more women. While you're at it, how about arguing for shared ownership of the means of production and collective corporations in lieu of the current haves versus have-nots paradigm?

Look, I have a lot of complaints about the IMF and the Federal Reserve, but I really don't see how you can use debt trading and inflation to devalue sex work, particularly to the point of lopsided enforcement of laws that shouldn't exist at all. If anything, the declining value of the dollar devalues all work.

~BB~

[dbev]

Just for the funny people who edited tags:

• 2cents -> yes, it's my opinion
• christian nutcase -> no, I'm not a christian nutcase
• internet info = true -> no, I don't think that internet info is true. Internet is a means to gather information
• mahatma gandhi -> a great sould
• perverts w mental problem -> full of these people
• post-traumatic stress -> lot's of people with that
• prostitution = evil -> the primeval form of exploitation

[trish]

Actually THE primeval form of evil is the male dominance hierarchy. The view of this hierarchy is independent whores can't be allowed to do business. Women can't be allowed to own their own bodies, sell their own services, make their own medical decisions etc.

[BellaBellucci]

Actually THE primeval form of evil is the male dominance hierarchy. The view of this hierarchy is independent whores can't be allowed to do business. Women can't be allowed to own their own bodies, sell their own services, make their own medical decisions etc.

1000%. I sometimes ponder what the world would be like if it were a matriarchy.

~BB~

[dbev]

That's your argument? How is it not the same? Somebody pays for a service and the person being paid provides it. The only reason you feel that it's 'not the same' is because of the ethical implications and your own obtuse view to which you came using disputed facts to support your opinions instead of using your opinions (theories) to motivate you to search for the truth.

I've explained myself multiple times, please read those messages, thanks.

So you want to jail men for having urges for which they pay to experience, which helps keep women out of government programs like welfare and Section 8 because of central banking?

Yes, because those are sick urges given by a sick relations of men with their bodies and other people's.

If you really want to help women, argue for a closure of the wage gap and encourage business to hire more women. While you're at it, how about arguing for shared ownership of the means of production and collective corporations in lieu of the current haves versus have-nots paradigm?

I do. You're right on every word you wrote. Everyone!

Look, I have a lot of complaints about the IMF and the Federal Reserve, but I really don't see how you can use debt trading and inflation to devalue sex work, particularly to the point of lopsided enforcement of laws that shouldn't exist at all. If anything, the declining value of the dollar devalues all work.

~BB~

We, the people, have debts because our money is not ours. And there is a shortage of money for the same reason. The money is issued by bankers, then they sell it to the people, and we the people issue debt certificate to them for the front value of the banknote (ex. a $100 banknote has a production cost of $0.30 more or less. We, the people, issue a $100 certificate of debt and let the bankers have $99.70 of profit).

All money is issued that way since the adoption of the Central Banks system, and it is now a bona fide money, i.e. it's not backed by gold since 1974. It's only paper accepted by us, the people, as a means of transferring value.

Never heard of President Lincoln's greenbacks? The reason why he was killed?

And of President Kennedy's Executive Order 11,110? The reason why he was killed?

Let's consider this.

We have sick men who have a sick relation with women.
They try to satisfy their urges, urges that they cannot come to terms with.
That they cannot satisfy these urges in a healthy, adult and equal manner, because this implies finding an adult and consenting person who likes them.
Therefore, they resort to buying other people's bodies.

The option considered badly by all of us...

Too many times, these bodies belong to minors and slave, but they don't mind.

The other option...

Sometimes, these bodies belong to a person who says that s(he) is willing selling it for money.
Therefore, the reason why people prostitute themselves is money.
And the reason why people don't have money is bankers and seigniorage (another form of exploitation).

We, the people, at least in the USA, need to apply Esecutive Order 11,110 and let the Treasury issue the amount of money needed for everyone's living in dignity and peace.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716721

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716964

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716970


And to imprison and cure clients.

It's a two-sided endeavour.

[Yvonne183]

Actually THE primeval form of evil is the male dominance hierarchy. The view of this hierarchy is independent whores can't be allowed to do business. Women can't be allowed to own their own bodies, sell their own services, make their own medical decisions etc.

I also agree.

I also say that this hierarchy is what keeps me from getting a "normal" job so I have to do whatever to survive. I just think that society needs to be fixed as a whole before one thinks that prostitution can be altered or ended.

And Dbev, I feel that you're wrong saying that all customers(men) are perverts. There are some very very lonely men out there who need companionship, even for a short time. And i have found that there is an emotional attachment to some guys, it's not all "wham bam thank you mam". Some guys I met needed someone to talk to cause society through the media keeps telling people what is beautiful and what isn't. As Teydyn said above:

Thats so easy, everyone is a supermodel with an outgoing personality, rich, well spoken. No one is shy, fat, poor, socially akward or just plain ugly. And if people like that even existed, too bad for them. They will never ever touch someone beautiful.

People are social animals, they need comfort from others, not all are good at talking and meeting people, so they resort to what they do, pay for companionship. And some take gifts for being that other person.

I have a question for the OP. If having sex for money is wrong, then what is your opinion on someone getting paid for sex in a porn movie?

[Jericho]

1000%. I sometimes ponder what the world would be like if it were a matriarchy.
~BB~

If some of the wimmin around here were in charge, there's be more warzones around the world than there are now!

[dbev]

1000%. I sometimes ponder what the world would be like if it were a matriarchy.

~BB~

The Yin and Yang theory says that we need balance, so the masculine and the femine must be in equilibrium.

But I tend to agree that women are better in almost everything and when they run things, and they keep their feminine characteristics, things are better.

I love and respect women and their absolute rights to self-determination, wasn't this clear enough?

[BellaBellucci]

We have sick men who have a sick relation with women.
They try to satisfy their urges, urges that they cannot come to terms with.
That they cannot satisfy these urges in a healthy, adult and equal manner, because this implies finding an adult and consenting person who likes them.
Therefore, they resort to buying other people's bodies.

The option considered badly by all of us...

Too many times, these bodies belong to minors and slave, but they don't mind.

The other option...

Sometimes, these bodies belong to a person who says that s(he) is willing selling it for money.
Therefore, the reason why people prostitute themselves is money.
And the reason why people don't have money is bankers and seigniorage (another form of exploitation).

We, the people, at least in the USA, need to apply Esecutive Order 11,110 and let the Treasury issue the amount of money needed for everyone's living in dignity and peace.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716721

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716964

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61716970


And to imprison and cure clients.

It's a two-sided endeavour.

Again, talk of central banking is a non-sequitur. Of course the banksters are ripping us off... all of us, but as long as they're doing it equally, how are prostitutes any more vulnerable than anyone else financially? If anything it goes back to what I said earlier about people being jealous that prostitutes 'beat the system,' by earning revenues with such little, or arguably no overheard. It defies the principal that it takes money to make money.

And I'm not sure what the cost of printing money has to do with this. That's not the problem. The problem is that our money supply is not backed or regulated in relation to real wealth (i.e. gold, goods, real estate, natural resources). It's monopoly money. I think more people here understand that than you realize, but that fact does nothing to create an underprivileged class separate from anybody else who isn't a banker, investor, or otherwise wealthy. So much for the middle class. It was a great ride while it lasted.

Oh, and tell me again how you propose to 'imprison and cure' clients. It sounds hypocritical (and fanciful) to me.

~BB~

PS: It's my view that it's actually the entire continent of Africa that is the biggest loser in the conversion to fiat currencies, as it was planned by the anglo-centric world so that they could rape the continent of its natural resources with little to no opposition, with the poorest communities being more than happy to allow atrocious violations of wealth and sovereignty in exchange for a few measly crumbs.