Sarah Fuckin Palin.....

[Ben]

So you take wallace over academics opinions on Sarah Palins history lesson? Oh well I suppose siding with 'fixed news' suits certain people at times.

And I wouldn't base my opinions of Palin on charles Kraufthammer who got it famously wrong about Reagan. Still smarting about it ,probably.

And george bush much as I disliked him and his neo con pals being stupid was not one of his faults. Palin is very conservative on most issues but from listening to her foreign policy views on afghanistan and libya for instance certainly isn't what would strike me as a neo con.She seems less of a one than Obama is right now. That is one of her greatest obstacles, many of her policies especially on energy,energy which has turned into a national security issue where she is somewhat of an expert make a huge amount of sense but people just like to focus on this paul revere crap and who her daughters might be fucking. No wonder she hates the media.

Maybe one of the reasons why she is disliked by some in the republican party and increasingly fox news is that she isn't a neo con .Fox news are probably going to do a job on her like they did ron paul.

Palin strikes me as being intellectually incurious, intellectually inattentive, as it were.
Is she smart? Depends what we mean by smart. Obama is often praised for being smart, clever -- for havin' quick mental agility. One can say smart means: a certain quickness, a certain nimbleness. I think a politician should understand/grasp policy issues. Both, of course, domestic and foreign. Have a basic understanding of history, of economics. Also, I think, be fairly well read.
Anyway, I'd agree that Obama is hawkish. (Daniel Ellsberg coined the term: stalemate machine. Which is: afraid to be seen as losing the war. I mean, that'd be Presidents Johnson and Nixon with respect to Vietnam. That could and probably does apply to Obama.)
Switching to alternative sources of energy (even if you staunchly believe global warming is a hoax) would mean LESS reliance on foreign oil, less pollution (always a benefit, a human health benefit) and you'd free up the marketplace (which is at present tightly controlled by the oil sector and is the antithesis of market principles) and bring about competition. Which is the basis of so-called capitalism. (But we should bear in mind that we don't live in a pure capitalist country. Pure capitalism means: no state intervention. And as we know the state does have a big influence on the overall economy. From police services to building highways and schools etc. etc. etc.)
I do respect Palin's position on abortion. Even though I disagree with her.
And Sarah Palin probably is a very nice person.
And I, actually, agree with Palin here:

[smilingbutt]

can I add my favorite and most important info about Sarah that is to be seen?




or should I elaborate?

[Cuchulain]

Every day my hopes for the future of the human race grow a little dimmer. It shouldn't take any rational person more than five minutes of listening to Palin to see her as a self-serving bag of hot air.

Hell, I can understand someone denying that for partisan reasons. But anybody who truly can't see right through her act is on a different wavelength than I am. Christ, they have a totally different perception of reality.

I shouldn't even have to qualify this, but I'll just toss one item out there - and there's absolutely no need for any more. Death panels; Sister Sarah and the other CONs took a simple provision in the Obama healthcare proposal which allowed a doctor to get paid for having a consultation with a patient and his family about end-of-life care and started raving about 'death panels'. An innocent, vital step in everyone's life turned into an obscene scare tactic. Case fucking closed.

[Ben]

Every day my hopes for the future of the human race grow a little dimmer. It shouldn't take any rational person more than five minutes of listening to Palin to see her as a self-serving bag of hot air.

Hell, I can understand someone denying that for partisan reasons. But anybody who truly can't see right through her act is on a different wavelength than I am. Christ, they have a totally different perception of reality.

I shouldn't even have to qualify this, but I'll just toss one item out there - and there's absolutely no need for any more. Death panels; Sister Sarah and the other CONs took a simple provision in the Obama healthcare proposal which allowed a doctor to get paid for having a consultation with a patient and his family about end-of-life care and started raving about 'death panels'. An innocent, vital step in everyone's life turned into an obscene scare tactic. Case fucking closed.

We'd survive a Sarah Palin presidency. She'd be Bush all over again.
So, to the right of Obama. Remember Obama is a moderate Republican. (Dennis Kucinich would've aligned himself to public opinion on a whole host of issues.
He, I think, would've responded to the majority will. Hence democracy. Which, if people forget, is rule by the people. Not the state or the corporate sector. But the people.
And, I think, public policy should reflect public opinion. Hence, again, democracy.)
You may or may not subscribe to Frank Zappa's view -- circa 1986. He said that we were moving toward a fascist theocracy. Well, America is an extremely religious country. Perhaps the most religious country in the whirling world.
And the definition of fascism -- coined by Mussolini -- was the nexus or link between state/political power and corporate power. That's fascism.
Economist Paul Craig Roberts said the term Police State is: that some people are above the law. Think: Bankers -- ha! ha! ha!

[Cuchulain]

We'd survive a Sarah Palin presidency. She'd be Bush all over again.
So, to the right of Obama. Remember Obama is a moderate Republican. (Dennis Kucinich would've aligned himself to public opinion on a whole host of issues.
He, I think, would've responded to the majority will. Hence democracy. Which, if people forget, is rule by the people. Not the state or the corporate sector. But the people.
And, I think, public policy should reflect public opinion. Hence, again, democracy.)
You may or may not subscribe to Frank Zappa's view -- circa 1986. He said that we were moving toward a fascist theocracy. Well, America is an extremely religious country. Perhaps the most religious country in the whirling world.
And the definition of fascism -- coined by Mussolini -- was the nexus or link between state/political power and corporate power. That's fascism.
Economist Paul Craig Roberts said the term Police State is: that some people are above the law. Think: Bankers -- ha! ha! ha!

Thankfully, a Palin presidency is just a nightmare that won't ever come true. Maybe we could survive it the way we survived Bush/Cheney, but it seems to me that would be like living through one bout with a terrible cancer only to be diagnosed with an even worse one. We may have survived the Bush years; I dunno if we'll ever recover from them.

Sarah would be a blank slate like Dubya that the plutocrats could manipulate, but I think she'd come in with a much bigger ego than Bush. She'd be much more likely to stamp her little feet and demand things her way just to prove that she was 'the boss'.

Good ol' Zappa, Zinn and Chomsky. I just gave Zinn's 'People's History of the US' to a friend's daughter as an off-to-college present.

I don't know about the theocracy part. I think the REICHwing has simply played up the religious angle to grab votes from gullible fools. We are definitely becoming a country that is completely under the thumbs of the wealthiest few. Those fuckers always had most of the power; now they want it all.

[Stavros]

This thread amazes me, I can't think of another living politician who has generated so much discussion with so little content. If Ms Palin doesn't run, or doesnt get nominated it will merely signify a fad that came and went, though I guess if she wants to remain a public figure she will get her own tv show. Obama came to the UK last month with en entourage of 1,500 (when Mrs Thatcher went to the US she took 20, trying to compute the cost of the former makes my eyes water); all Presidents rely on teams of advisers and often they are a key part of the decision-making process (consider the influence of Dennis Ross on Obama), so maybe this thread should be about the people running the shop rather than whoever is in the shop window...

[Ben]

Thankfully, a Palin presidency is just a nightmare that won't ever come true. Maybe we could survive it the way we survived Bush/Cheney, but it seems to me that would be like living through one bout with a terrible cancer only to be diagnosed with an even worse one. We may have survived the Bush years; I dunno if we'll ever recover from them.

Sarah would be a blank slate like Dubya that the plutocrats could manipulate, but I think she'd come in with a much bigger ego than Bush. She'd be much more likely to stamp her little feet and demand things her way just to prove that she was 'the boss'.

Good ol' Zappa, Zinn and Chomsky. I just gave Zinn's 'People's History of the US' to a friend's daughter as an off-to-college present.

I don't know about the theocracy part. I think the REICHwing has simply played up the religious angle to grab votes from gullible fools. We are definitely becoming a country that is completely under the thumbs of the wealthiest few. Those fuckers always had most of the power; now they want it all.

I don't think Palin runs for President anyway. I mean, she's like Paris Hilton. In that she's famous for being famous.
Oh, I forgot. Being Governor of Alaska for half a term.... Plus I really don't think she can go toe-to-toe with Barack Obama. She, I think, doesn't have the nimbleness, as it were.
Plus she is making a very comfortable living being famous for being famous. Would she want to give that up???
Plus Mitt Romney is way ahead in the polls. So far. Even though he lacks charisma. And appears as stiff as a board. I mean, he lacks charm. God knows how he became Governor of Massachusetts. I thought one needed some level of charisma. I mean, Sarah Palin is personable. Romney just isn't.
Howard Zinn is amazing.

[onmyknees]

Thankfully, a Palin presidency is just a nightmare that won't ever come true. Maybe we could survive it the way we survived Bush/Cheney, but it seems to me that would be like living through one bout with a terrible cancer only to be diagnosed with an even worse one. We may have survived the Bush years; I dunno if we'll ever recover from them.

Sarah would be a blank slate like Dubya that the plutocrats could manipulate, but I think she'd come in with a much bigger ego than Bush. She'd be much more likely to stamp her little feet and demand things her way just to prove that she was 'the boss'.

Good ol' Zappa, Zinn and Chomsky. I just gave Zinn's 'People's History of the US' to a friend's daughter as an off-to-college present.

I don't know about the theocracy part. I think the REICHwing has simply played up the religious angle to grab votes from gullible fools. We are definitely becoming a country that is completely under the thumbs of the wealthiest few. Those fuckers always had most of the power; now they want it all.

You're funny......While I understand you reserve the right to disagree with Obama...let's face it you voted for him, and you bought his hope and change bullshit...you know you did.

I also understand it's sport for you malcontents on the left to plaster Palin from everything from her family , to what she wears, to what she says....and I have no problem with that, as long as it stays on politics and not family and not misogynistic. I like her not for her intellect, her politics, her positions, but I like her because you hate her...it's that simple really. So let's play your supposition out to it's logical conclusion ( the one that Palin is a dunce in a dress) and let's also put credibility in the narrative that you, and all the media led us to believe ( that O'bama is bordering on genius) Now let's look at how he has applied all that professorial intellect....

>26 States have filed suit against the Federal Government in Federal Court about the legality of the individual mandate . No time in history has that ever occurred.
> Unemployment hovers around 10% and real unemployment if 17-18% and new claims continue to raise despite billions in stimulus and promises of below 8% unemployment
> A historic mid term election with the party in power loosing a record number of congressional seats.
>Nearly a billion spent in Libya and still no regime change and no approval from Congress
> Afghanistan still remains largely in question despite Obama's claim it was the "Right War" and his expressed support for that war
> Wall Street and big Banks continue unabated and continue to enter the revolving door in the West Wing carrying big campaign checks for Obama. Not one Wall Street fat cat has been brought to justice. The Dodd-Frank financial reform bill pushed by Obama fails to deal with the root causes of the sub prime crisis
> The Southern border remains porous with no cogent immigration policy put forward by Obama.
> Despite the claims of concern of Medicare and SSI the administration has not put a plan on the table that deals with solvency
> Bankruptcies and foreclosures have escalated under Obama with no plan in place to deal with it
> The trade deficit with China continues to skyrocket as China devalues their currency with little or nothing said by the administration
> Food and Energy prices have risen 20-30% since Obama has taken office and he has no plan to deal with either.

>The US Chamber of Commerce has tabbed this administration as the most anti business in 50 years
>Iran rushes towards developing a nuclear weapon throwing the entire balance of power in the Middle east in turmoil.
> The once praised "Arab Spring " by Obama has turned into anything but promising as Yemen and Syria slaughter thier citizens.
> The Strongest US ally in the middle east, Israel, had it's Prime Minister school our president on the folly of his Arab-Israeli policy on American soil.
> Bond rating agencies are threatening to down grade the US bond rating because of the Obama deficit.
> Obama care , this administration's hallmark piece of legislation has not delivered on any of it's promises and remains so unpalatable to businesses, many have obtained exemptions .

> We're borrowing money from China to bail out Greece

So I ask you....if Palin is a dunce....just what does that make Obama?????????

[Faldur]

So I ask you....if Palin is a dunce....just what does that make Obama?????????

[Cuchulain]

You're funny......While I understand you reserve the right to disagree with Obama...let's face it you voted for him, and you bought his hope and change bullshit...you know you did.

I also understand it's sport for you malcontents on the left to plaster Palin from everything from her family , to what she wears, to what she says....and I have no problem with that, as long as it stays on politics and not family and not misogynistic. I like her not for her intellect, her politics, her positions, but I like her because you hate her...it's that simple really. So let's play your supposition out to it's logical conclusion ( the one that Palin is a dunce in a dress) and let's also put credibility in the narrative that you, and all the media led us to believe ( that O'bama is bordering on genius) Now let's look at how he has applied all that professorial intellect....

>26 States have filed suit against the Federal Government in Federal Court about the legality of the individual mandate . No time in history has that ever occurred.
> Unemployment hovers around 10% and real unemployment if 17-18% and new claims continue to raise despite billions in stimulus and promises of below 8% unemployment
> A historic mid term election with the party in power loosing a record number of congressional seats.
>Nearly a billion spent in Libya and still no regime change and no approval from Congress
> Afghanistan still remains largely in question despite Obama's claim it was the "Right War" and his expressed support for that war
> Wall Street and big Banks continue unabated and continue to enter the revolving door in the West Wing carrying big campaign checks for Obama. Not one Wall Street fat cat has been brought to justice. The Dodd-Frank financial reform bill pushed by Obama fails to deal with the root causes of the sub prime crisis
> The Southern border remains porous with no cogent immigration policy put forward by Obama.
> Despite the claims of concern of Medicare and SSI the administration has not put a plan on the table that deals with solvency
> Bankruptcies and foreclosures have escalated under Obama with no plan in place to deal with it
> The trade deficit with China continues to skyrocket as China devalues their currency with little or nothing said by the administration
> Food and Energy prices have risen 20-30% since Obama has taken office and he has no plan to deal with either.

>The US Chamber of Commerce has tabbed this administration as the most anti business in 50 years
>Iran rushes towards developing a nuclear weapon throwing the entire balance of power in the Middle east in turmoil.
> The once praised "Arab Spring " by Obama has turned into anything but promising as Yemen and Syria slaughter thier citizens.
> The Strongest US ally in the middle east, Israel, had it's Prime Minister school our president on the folly of his Arab-Israeli policy on American soil.
> Bond rating agencies are threatening to down grade the US bond rating because of the Obama deficit.
> Obama care , this administration's hallmark piece of legislation has not delivered on any of it's promises and remains so unpalatable to businesses, many have obtained exemptions .

> We're borrowing money from China to bail out Greece

So I ask you....if Palin is a dunce....just what does that make Obama?????????

Once again, the old kneeler accuses me of being an Obama fan, and launches a deluge of CON talking point horseshit. That's ok lad, I know all the spinning you do has left you permanently dizzy. I've gotta say though, pathetic corporate whore that Barry O has turned out to be, I give him kudos for all the hate he generates from the scum down at the chamber of commerce. I guess he's just not ENOUGH of a corporate whore for those pigs - which means that he's not quite the monster that a full-fledged repub would be. Don't give up hope, though. As Obama chases corporate cash for the 2012 elections, he may spend more time on his knees than you do.

BTW, I doubt your beloved Sarah will actually run. She's just staying visible to keep her speaking fees rolling in.