Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?

[LaCosa]

I'm certain you have a perfectly lucid and 'scientific' explanation for everything devoid of emotional context whatsoever. Rather than get into the scientific explanation of a woman versus a man I'd like to leave you with this: when your woman or man touches you and you whisper words in their ear and make love to them what runs through your mind? Your spermatozoa count or do you actually feel something that you cannot express?

Love is a different issue altogether. I've never suggested two homosexual males or two lesbian women couldn't be in love with one another. I've never suggested a heterosexual man and T-girl could not be madly in love with one another. Quite the opposite. Likewise, not all heterosexual male and female couples are in love with each other when they marry or remain in love if they ever were.

In fact I think it very possible for me to fall in love with an attractive transsexual. I don't suspect this will happen as I would like to produce children one day.

But arousal is not love. I've jerked off to more porn than I can count. I've been aroused in strip clubs from pole and lap dances and new little to nothing about the woman dancer and certainly was not aroused because I was in love with her.

And as I've stated... I'm sympathetic to the "soul" just as I am to music I think sounds good or visual art I like. Science has its limitations and can't really tell us why the world is so "beautiful." I'm sure scientist will one day arrive at a dry answer for this but I suspect I'll question it. And it might be kept in mind that it is the great religions of the world that are the grand guardians of beautiful art and infusing it into their buildings and institutions. Not science. Gothic architecture and Gothic music or Gregorian chant or Islamic geometric art aren't something one finds in university physics, chemistry, and biology classrooms. You find that in institutional religion - Mayan America to Buddhist Thailand. But in an age that falls to the knees and "worships" science and scientists, cling to their every word like sacred manna, science then becomes a language of power like Latin once was or English today largely remains. One is not stupid to learn that language of power then.

I also believe in the theory of evolution. So, I'm naturally going to view many aspects of the world through the lens of that theory as best I can.

But politics and political interest groups shape our thoughts and opinions today more than science proper. University science departments often complain the media (politically influenced) often misrepresents scientific views.

I'll tell you... it often irks me when I listen to feminist in one breath champion the theory of evolution as the only lens to view the world through, under one breath, and then under another breath, claim it is immoral for society to allow girls to feel they need to compete for male attention among other girls, through their charms and looks. Competition within a species is accepted as fact (not just altruism - which is more controversial) within the theory of evolution.

Feminists have also duped people in the U.S. into believing it is wrong and criminal (in many states criminal) for an 18 year old male to have sex with a 17 year old female. Ridiculous. Nothing in biology even hints as this asinine proposition. Biology is fine with 30 year old screwing a 14 year old.

[LaCosa]

Too late.....you already do.

I was articulating my position and giving some explanation. I've learned from experience when dealing online with politically left people, that are uneducated in the science, but themselves non-religious and are what is oft termed adherents of "scientism," that you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. The only thing I've discovered they are willing to tolerate is recitation of doctrines of their own beliefs.

If I simply stated I believe in X because of what limited things I know from the theory of evolution and biology you would reply I know nothing of either. If I explain some principles in the theory of evolution you'll claim I'm trying to be a know-it-all.

You are remarkable though for your ability to connect seemingly disparate things under what you must think is a cohesive theory.

It is a sign of intelligence to be able to connect things.

What I see happening now with you is you utterly misunderstood me and the intentions of my previous posts and are hell bent on attacking me personally to defend your unscientific proposition of a person's sex resulting from their "soul," that along with your inability (evidence by your avoidance from answering my inquiry as to what is female thought and behavior [absent of female gender]) to state what a female is.

You even paid some kind of homage to Jesus while previously decrying anything but 'facts' and 'science'. I wonder how you marry science with ecstatic religion since one requires no facts and the other requires all facts?

You lack reading comprehension.

Number one, I already stated I was sympathetic to appeals to the "soul" as I use religion myself to understand life and not just science.

You can appeal to the soul - which I'm sympathetic to because I use religion and or metaphysics to understand and relate to life myself - but understand that puts you in a logical catch 22 if you are one of these adherents of Darwinian evolution that rejects a distinct human soul that survives human death. In the science of biology everything must make sense in light of evolution, or better stated all theories must find a logical coherence with theory of evolution and be explainable in terms of evolution (e.g., natural selection).

Number two, as I see it, whether transexualism is morally right or immoral is neither here nor there in light of the Christian concept of original sin and the redemptive sacrifice of Jesus (I was reared Catholic not Muslim etc.), as it pertain "who I can or can't speak with or befriend."

Number three, many things "marry" the natural or "hard sciences," such as sociology and anthropology. Sociology for example draws upon the science of biology when it differentiates between a persons sex and gender.

Number four, you are evidencing your lack of formal education in the sciences. The media portrays religion as at odds with science. There is not a biology course you can take that does not teach about the "Father of Genetics" Gregor Mendel, who was a Catholic Priest and monk. The Big Bang also was a theory created by a Catholic Priest that was a professor at MIT (one of the most prestigious universities in the world). The Catholic Church, under the Jesuits, operates two observatories, one in Rome and one in Arizona. The one in Rome is led by a Jesuit formerly employed by NASA. Both observatories engage in more theoretical cosmological work than observatories run by NASA. Jews, Muslims, and Christians have always been engaged in science.

You have some religious people that have Ph.D.'s in theology and a Ph.D. in a science. They are rare though. But people with one Ph.D. are rare in the world for that matter. LOL.






Number five, most importantly, why not just cede you misunderstood the intent of my previous posts and leave it at that? Otherwise, if you are hell bent on making me out to be some evil monster let us focus in on the question of what makes a female - in terms of how she thinks and behaves? If you are a feminist (whether male or female) you should not have a great difficulty in answering that if you think its easy to peg how a boy should properly know he's really a she.

[Birgitta]

La cosa, i would try to discuss this with you but since im writing from a mobile phone its way too complicated but in short:

You should not treat science as a religion, there is a lot science does not know, especially about ts woman. i believe my brain was hormonally wired female in the womb, i have two loving parents that treated me as a boy from the moment i was born, they did not abuse me in any way,nor did anyone else...at such a young age i was not aware my genitals defined me, when i went to school i noticed that boys and girls were treated differently and that i did not fit in, i did not understand why my parents send me to school wearing boy clothes and with short hair, i felt like a joke ande very insecure, i remember this well, it was pretty traumatic...

What i call soul might as well be a state of consciousness causes by the biological chemistry of my brain, but i know from experience that envirement does not play a big role in defining or creating gender, otherwise i would have been a boy now, since i was raised as one! Thats also the reason why a lot of woman still spend a lot of time on their looks, not because they have to, but because they want to, despite the feminism that was supposed to set them free

I dont think its scientifically proven that gay lesbian and transgendered people arent natural, we excist because of nature not because of sociaty.
Its true that some gay men become ts coz their country\envirement is homophobic, but thats a different story

[Birgitta]

and im a christian btw, im a believer and love Jezus !


Maybe lol, i belong in a mental,hospital for that,
But not for being a ts loool

[LaCosa]

La cosa, i would try to discuss this with you but since im writing from a mobile phone its way too complicated but in short:

You should not treat science as a religion...

I agree. And I was not nor am I treating science like a religion. To believe in God or to believe Jesus had two natures, one human and one divine, requires faith. Mind you faith stems from personal experience as well.

People that simply use faith to believe in propositions made by scientists are sometimes referred to as adherents of "scientism." I try not to be one of those, that's why I try (emphasize "try") to understand particular principles or points within a given science so I can agree or disagree with it intellectually, as best I can understand, rather than just have "faith" in it. Admittedly, some things in science requires faith. I've never seen an electron or atom but I have to some faith they exist - if for no other reason than to pass through the undergraduate courses. LOL.

I'll give you an example of me questioning and trying to understand something I don't but that science says happens. According to physics when you walk your legs and feet really aren't propelling you off the ground at each step, it's the earth moving away from your feet. I'm not saying that's false. But I'm close to mentally retarded when it comes to physics and I just don't understand how the earth moves away from a person's foot. If I could understand it - really comprehend it in my mind - then I could have more confidence in agreeing or disagreeing with it.

there is a lot science does not know, especially about ts woman.

Eh... your first part is very true. I suppose even the latter carries truth. Certainly there is a lot about humans let alone all life on earth or the universe at large that science still does not know a whole lot about.

i believe my brain was hormonally wired female in the womb, i have two loving parents that treated me as a boy from the moment i was born, they did not abuse me in any way,nor did anyone else...at such a young age i was not aware my genitals defined me, when i went to school i noticed that boys and girls were treated differently and that i did not fit in, i did not understand why my parents send me to school wearing boy clothes and with short hair, i felt like a joke ande very insecure, i remember this well, it was pretty traumatic...

What i call soul might as well be a state of consciousness causes by the biological chemistry of my brain, but i know from experience that envirement does not play a big role in defining or creating gender, otherwise i would have been a boy now, since i was raised as one! Thats also the reason why a lot of woman still spend a lot of time on their looks, not because they have to, but because they want to, despite the feminism that was supposed to set them free

I dont think its scientifically proven that gay lesbian and transgendered people arent natural, we excist because of nature not because of sociaty.
Its true that some gay men become ts coz their country\envirement is homophobic, but thats a different story

I don't think you're stupid. But I think we are talking about this from two very different points. Because of that I think misunderstanding in any further conversation of the subject is inevitable. So, I think I'll just humbly bow out the topic.

But before I do let me just say that I would not be so quick to throw all my eggs in one basket believing that finding a genetic cause will result in salvific social and scientific protection for either transsexuals or homosexuals and lesbians (or bisexuals for that matter). I'll cede in the political climate of the West today finding a genetic cause would greatly socially and politically help gays, lesbians, and transsexuals.

But the scientific community has a strong atheist presence. Some of them have no agenda at all but there are some with clear socio-political agendas. Some are humanist but some are not. As one geneticist pointed out in a published article I read... it could come a day when we seek a genetic prejudice against homosexuals (or others we consider genetically undesirable - recall what "fitness" means in evolutionary theory, and that if you are homosexual or transsexual you certainly carry genes for that trait, and to cull that trait out people with those genes must be isolate and or die off).

During the 30's - or was it the 40's - the world was brought to a second great war. This time much over eugenics. While Europe and the United States were champions of eugenics it was Germany (the socialists = Nazis) that was their greatest champion. No nation on earth stood as educated as the Germans at that time either. But they were determined to build a strong master race - to purify the gene pool if you will. Abortion is one of the hold overs we've kept from the eugenics movement - ironically we outlawed forced sterilization (the U.S. alone under liberal politicians forcibly sterilized over 100,000 U.S. women during the early 20th century) to only legalize abortion later with the Roe vs. Wade decisions. I'm saying all that to say that history suggests it's very possible that a society can one day allow others to get rid of the unwanted.

As an example, it's happening today in India. Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_india_abortions_girls

HONG KONG (Reuters) – Up to 12 million girls were aborted over the last three decades in India by parents that tended to be richer and more educated, a large study in India found, and researchers warned that the figure could rise with falling fertility rates.

The missing daughters occurred mostly in families which already had a first born daughter. Although the preference for boys runs across Indian society, the abortions were more likely to be carried out by educated parents who were aware of ultrasound technology and who could afford abortions.

[SweetBlueGirl]

Form this disagreement I've read a lot of nonsense. In a woman born transgender, because so we are, women born in another gender body, the woman component is not a thing of faith, but of neurology, and then science ( Henry Benjamin ).
Someone here uses the word science without even knowing what is the definition. Science is a method that consists in the possibility to reproduce the experiment proving a theory. Therefore the fact you nevr saw atoms doesn't mean they are an act of faith, and so also for transexual women, the fact you never investigated their brain doesn't mean they are not women.
In concolusion i think that we all are mental cases, male, women, just being transgender is a very tough condition, till you are not just a woman with needed operation, therefore we are more frail, maybe more honest, sometimes sweeter for all difficoulties we passed.
I hope that noone here believes that transsexualism is just a fetish here, because it's just a passion, fetish sounds like a perversion, well a stable person should not see the love of a woman as a perversion.
I have the passion for transsexualism, seeing someone more beautiful than me cheers me up, make me feel alive during transition, in the very early stages, it has very little to do with sex but much with gender. I don't think it's healthy to call it a fetish.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't think you can go off a message board of how someone is doll

You should go off in person.

[rabiddoug]

married: happily to a beautiful woman
liars: I am a fantastic liar. I can lie my way out of anything. I can make you believe anything. We all lie. But, as a rule, I years ago realized the truth is easier.
crossdresser: no
odd fetishes: trannies count?
ashamed: openly dated a transexual woman in my 20s, introduced her to my friends and family and we told them her T. I generally do not give a fuck what anybody thinks.
self-hatred: jesus no, I fucking love myself, I'm so awesome.

[runningdownthatdream]

I was articulating my position and giving some explanation.

I started reading your post and fell asleep. Sorry no insult intended but you are all over the place - I get the impression that you'll pull any rabbit out of any hat to affirm your position. And yes it requires intelligence to connect seemingly disparate ideas but idiot savants can do that to and they're well.....idiot savants.

Don't have a problem with your validation process but I don't have the patience for minutiae. My original intent was to convey to you that we can't simply use science to confirm, affirm or refute every thing. Some things are unexplainable and wonderfully so - I believe we need some mystery. I don't know why people are born transgendered and frankly I don't care. Why is it necessary for you - presumably a non-transgender person - to find some rational and scientific explanation? Why can;t we just accept people for who they are as long as they aren't harming anyone?

[Birgitta]

I started reading your post and fell asleep. Sorry no insult intended but you are all over the place - I get the impression that you'll pull any rabbit out of any hat to affirm your position. And yes it requires intelligence to connect seemingly disparate ideas but idiot savants can do that to and they're well.....idiot savants.

Don't have a problem with your validation process but I don't have the patience for minutiae. My original intent was to convey to you that we can't simply use science to confirm, affirm or refute every thing. Some things are unexplainable and wonderfully so - I believe we need some mystery. I don't know why people are born transgendered and frankly I don't care. Why is it necessary for you - presumably a non-transgender person - to find some rational and scientific explanation? Why can;t we just accept people for who they are as long as they aren't harming anyone?

Well because there are a lot of people out there that want to prove us wrong because they cant understand, and very often because they dont want to understand,most people rather lie to themselves or others to escape facing the truth. Especially tgirls and their lovers are often extremely good at this.

And why would anyone want to understand, why would you want to understand what its like to have a chronic disease or terminally ill, unless you really cared for that person.
Thats also why i think most tlovers dont really care for us, they care for their own thoughts about us...and la cosa cant decide...should i love them or not?

He then starts talking about some really weird experiences in his youth about that he at one point thought he was a girl, which yet again proves that a lot of men and woman inti transgendered people have some sorth gender issue themselves...

La cosa reminds me of a muslim boy i once met, he wanted to fuck me real bad, but at the same time he told me he was sinning because of wanting me, but that we are all sinners, and that it can be forgiven, like i can be forgiven for making him want me in the first place because i excist...it demonstrates how fucked up and egocentric sime folks are..

Lacosa then starts talking about science, and how in the future, us transsexuals, the unwanted will be prevented of being born...

So whats its gonna be lacosa, do you love us or not? Or do you love yourself even perhaps start there..
Do you love us sooo much that you want to prevent further scientific proof to be found so that in the future we will no longer be there...for evolution purposes, tgirls should be born btw as well as gay people coz your "natural" darwin laws are destroying our dear planet by over population, a planet thats still a unique place in the universe

To me it all sounds pretty sick, especially for someone that thinks we are mentally disturbed for changing our bodies to match our true self