Are Transexuals emotionally Stable?

[DL_NL]

What the hell are some of you guys doing here?

[Yvonne183]

Are Transsexuals human?
Yes, except for the zombie transsexuals like me.

Do Transsexuals Love?
Yes, we especially love pizza.

How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
When not wearing my "hello kitty" diaper I usual pee behind the dumpster.

Where do Transsexuals live?
Behind the other dumpster.

What do Transsexuals do at clubs (that might be here too)?
We point and laugh at the straight normal people trying to dance. Or we hang out in the bathroom.


What kind of food do Transsexuals eat?
Pizza and the zombie tgirls eat brains.

In one way I agree with "The Thing" in his post, environment did play a role in my mental state and my being a tgirl. I know some don't agree with that, but for me and I only speak for me, I feel events around me did shape my life for the future of who I am today, whether it be bad or good.

Look at it this way. If a woman was raped and the experience was really bad, so much so that her life was never the same again. She developed a hatred towards men that she never had before, and maybe she developed other mental issues like depression, DID or suicidal. One could say that her environment played a role in her mental state,, it made her what she is today, well, in a way, but not exactly the same way, I feel similar. I was not born a woman, I never felt like a girl at a young age until events and things happened to me. OK, maybe one can then say that I could be cured by shrinks if this is so,, maybe, I don't know, but why change when I am quite happy at what I become, I hurt no one being the way I am today.

I hope that made sense.

[runningdownthatdream]

How do Transsexuals Pee (I think that might be here alread)?
When not wearing my "hello kitty" diaper I usual pee behind the dumpster.

After reading your post, I wish I had been wearing a 'Hello Kitty' diaper

Your experience which led you to become who you are today is probably less common for the majority of transpeople. Although I certainly haven't done any research in that area everything I've read tells me your experience may be somewhat unique. Of course, how you got to who you are is only relevant if you make it relevant. If you're happy then that's all that matters. Afterall how many of us can truly say we are happy with our lives and with ourselves?

[Yvonne183]

After reading your post, I wish I had been wearing a 'Hello Kitty' diaper

Your experience which led you to become who you are today is probably less common for the majority of transpeople. Although I certainly haven't done any research in that area everything I've read tells me your experience may be somewhat unique. Of course, how you got to who you are is only relevant if you make it relevant. If you're happy then that's all that matters. Afterall how many of us can truly say we are happy with our lives and with ourselves?

Maybe I should clarify my post a bit. I am happy being a tgirl and would not want to change for anything. But there are things in my life that I am not happy about, like not having money, other mental things and stuff like that, but I am happy being a tgirl.

[runningdownthatdream]

Maybe I should clarify my post a bit. I am happy being a tgirl and would not want to change for anything. But there are things in my life that I am not happy about, like not having money, other mental things and stuff like that, but I am happy being a tgirl.

I understood you. Remember, we exchanged words in another thread where you were expressing some....let's say displeasure with your current situation! Suffice to say though, you're happy to be yourself even if you'd rather be someplace else.

And btw I still think you could get out if you really wanted to.

[LaCosa]

Oh my god, you are a basket case ! Lol...

That would be what one calls a personal attack. You might take special note (given you think you lack arrogance) I never called a transsexual (that would include you) a basket case for their transformation.

Psychological issues caused by envirement?????
What the hell would have happened to me as a 3 year old???
Cause I knew it the moment i went to school that i was a girl...i was 3 years old! And am not bullshitting you...

It's such an early age - which I figured one would mention - that leads me to believe it is environmentally caused.

Stating one is a girl - especially in light of feminist ideology and or scholarship - necessarily begs the question what is a girl? I doubt wearing skirts because most men in the West wore skirts and togas until the adopted trousers from the nomadic tribesmen of the East such as the Scythians.

Most feminist would argue gender roles are socially constructed. There is some truth in that though my opinion would be that's not entirely 100% true.

Sex and gender are not one and the same thing. A person can have the opposite gender of their biological sex. Sociologist and the Catholic Church by the way both concur with this. However, the former takes it just as it is without moral judgement and the latter construes it immoral to have the opposite gender of your sex.

If you have XY chromosomes you are biologically male. "The soul" is not a concept in biology but a concept of metaphysics or religion. The sciences study the material and quantitative and only propose theories that are falsifiable.

You can appeal to the soul - which I'm sympathetic to because I use religion and or metaphysics to understand and relate to life myself - but understand that puts you in a logical catch 22 if you are one of these adherents of Darwinian evolution that rejects a distinct human soul that survives human death. In the science of biology everything must make sense in light of evolution, or better stated all theories must find a logical coherence with theory of evolution and be explainable in terms of evolution (e.g., natural selection).

As for the buddha, i would like to see you become so enlightened that you choose the soul over your body, coz that is what transsexuals do...

I'm reared Catholic though not a practicing Catholic today. I admire the sophistication of Buddhist metaphysical philosophy too (though I'm not sure I agree with its pessimistic view of the material world or the female and specifically her vagina) and I have more than my fair share of sins and regrets. I think whether one is Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, or Muslim they are indoctrinated to have self reflection and an awareness of sin or personal sin. Somethings they might disagree on what sin is. But at any rate "choosing the soul" in all those traditions infers not choosing to sin.

But my other post was attempting to address the issue through the lens of science. Specifically the science of biology. I was not trying to use the lens of religion or metaphysical musings about an invisible, non-quantitative, non-material "soul."

Science is suppose to be objective and divorced from political agenda. Physics, chemistry, and biology are all amoral on issues we demand to moralize in popular discourse. When ecologist might study wolves preying on moose they don't cast moral judgement of "murder" or wolves violently tearing their teeth into moose as "wrong."

I was simply attempting to dispassionately give my opinion on human beings - which included transsexuals.

You are inmensely unattractive for thinking this narrowminded and at the same time calling us a fetish thats "not so bad"

A member of NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Lovers Association - if I recall correctly what the acronym stands for) would likely call me "narrow minded" too. Pedophiles can be 15 years old and throughout the rest of their lives have this urge from the unknown - their "soul" as it were - attracting them to pre-pubescent children.

And I did not call you or transsexuals a fetish. At least not in the sense of that being what you as a complex human being are reducible too. I think what I said was that I have a fetish for transsexuals and arguably most if not all men that are attracted to transsexuals - pre-op transsexuals perhaps - have a fetish for them.

Why lie about it? And this site certainly does not negate qualities promtoing and attempting to cash in on "tranny" or "shemale" fetish.

If one is mature about human sexuality I think they would have to admit most if not all humans develop sexual fetishes of some sort. It can be "domination" to "high heels." Some gay men have a specific fetish for "twinks" (young looking men or teenage boys). That does not make all 16 and 20 year old males a fetish. But it does not negate some gay men have a specific fetish for males that age - or males that look that age.

Guys on here never cease to amaze me, not the way they think, but that they think we would even slightly be interested in guys thinking so shallow and stupid like this...

You say it's shallow and stupid. But I suspect you would find most scientific literature shallow and stupid.

Many if not all of the politically driven "pro-gay" scientific studies published actually present very stereotypical views of homosexuals (whom they mean gay men - because they draw distinction between homosexuals and lesbians). Nothing I've stated descended into stereotypes.

To me your post proves to me your mentally way behind where i am, and im less arrogant about it too..

Your response only evidences you are emotionally invested (understandably so) in a position on the issue and prejudiced to any view contradicting yours.

At a very young age children do not understand sex let alone sexual attraction. That's why children innocently run around butt naked in their homes. The Genesis story gives a fictional narrative of a loss of innocence resulting with the protagonists Adam and Even coming to a realization of their nakedness and feeling a shame. You don't pull your skirt up in front of your father or male relatives, exposing your feminine butt and penis, because you would feel shame from exposing your naked genitals and you know it would embarrass them. I think most if not all of are like this.

It would seem to me a 3 year old "knowing" their sex to be opposite than what their biological sex is, suggests environmental causes. Possibly fondling by an older male. Possibly not that but could be any nuanced cause. I know I distinctly recall being confused about my sex at a very early age. It took the effort of me militantly guarding my mind to not think I was a girl. This in a large part - I recall distinctly - came from being told I was a boy by my parents but every adult pinching me on the cheek telling stating, "Aww... what a cute girl!" I remembering this greatly angered and distressed me all the time. Did not help that my mother was hell bent on playing with my hair as a girl.

In the end biology and the theory of evolution has nothing to do with "the soul" no more than it does angels. And natural selection does not work on "souls" nor does descent with modification.

[LaCosa]

We agree on something finally! And you get points for reading through all that he wrote and trying to address it in an intelligent fashion. The only thing he failed to put forth in his 'argument' was a goverment conspiracy to reduce the human population by brainwashing people into thinking they were born the wrong sex!

My major is biology - not anthropology.

I've also had to read - in a philosophy of biology course (that would be philosophy not science proper) - different scientifically published papers on the issue of the biological or genetic heritability of homosexuality. Most the papers were defending the the position it is genetically inherited. Only one did not, although one of our required books touched on the issue and pointed out the fallacies in some of the oft stated things in its defense.

From experience online, I've come to find that it is those not formally educated in the sciences that generally respond with personal attacks and suggestions someone is stupid when they contradict a position they have on human sexuality. Often these are the same people quick to claim to be "moved" by science.

Writing in science is a different stylized genre than say philosophy or fiction. It's usually very dry (but then so is philosophical writing) writing and contrary to what the average person might think, it's utterly devoid of emotion. Although, I have to take that back and say that is not always the case, some of the most hostile debates over the theory of evolution for example, have come between scientist that are pro-evolution in disagreement with one another over different theories within the theory of evolution.

If you think a transsexual (boy become girl) is a female (beyond gender) then this evidences you've never taken a single biology course. If I responded on a biology exam as to what constitutes female or male human with the answer, "It depends on her 'soul'" I would get that checked wrong.

The term "transsexual" is suggestive of the points I made about biological sex and gender not being the same thing.

Would you care to tell me what a "female" is in thought and behavior?

[runningdownthatdream]

My major is biology - not anthropology.

I've also had to read - in a philosophy of biology course (that would be philosophy not science proper) - different scientifically published papers on the issue of the biological or genetic heritability of homosexuality. Most the papers were defending the the position it is genetically inherited. Only one did not, although one of our required books touched on the issue and pointed out the fallacies in some of the oft stated things in its defense.

From experience online, I've come to find that it is those not formally educated in the sciences that generally respond with personal attacks and suggestions someone is stupid when they contradict a position they have on human sexuality. Often these are the same people quick to claim to be "moved" by science.

Writing in science is a different stylized genre than say philosophy or fiction. It's usually very dry (but then so is philosophical writing) writing and contrary to what the average person might think, it's utterly devoid of emotion. Although, I have to take that back and say that is not always the case, some of the most hostile debates over the theory of evolution for example, have come between scientist that are pro-evolution in disagreement with one another over different theories within the theory of evolution.

If you think a transsexual (boy become girl) is a female (beyond gender) then this evidences you've never taken a single biology course. If I responded on a biology exam as to what constitutes female or male human with the answer, "It depends on her 'soul'" I would get that checked wrong.

The term "transsexual" is suggestive of the points I made about biological sex and gender not being the same thing.

Would you care to tell me what a "female" is in thought and behavior?

I'm certain you have a perfectly lucid and 'scientific' explanation for everything devoid of emotional context whatsoever. Rather than get into the scientific explanation of a woman versus a man I'd like to leave you with this: when your woman or man touches you and you whisper words in their ear and make love to them what runs through your mind? Your spermatozoa count or do you actually feel something that you cannot express?

[LaCosa]

What the hell are some of you guys doing here?

Why are there advertisements for transsexual porn to the left of my screen if this site is geared towards T-girls that adamantly reject being sexually objectified for fetishes of men?

I'm on this site in part because I accept human diversity and people that are different from me.

Put it this way... I don't agree with Muslim polygyny but that does not stop me from socializing, befriending, or conversing with Muslim men if they have several wives. The same is true for me for those that believe the Federal Reserve is a great conspiracy or have more right wing or left wing political views than myself. Though I find it interesting the increasing intolerance from the political left towards those that disagree with them. This should not surprise me though given the history of the Nazi party and communists. The former militant champions of political leftist influenced science called eugenics.

The only man that ever walked this earth without sin I heard of was Jesus (the woman, his mother as well). So, who am I to shun transsexuals or even convicts in prison for forcible rape of women or even child molestation? I'm no angel myself.

I know for a fact some white men have sexual fetishes for brown skin mulatto males like myself. And? Should I get irate? I know for damned sure I would not get irate if I was posting on a gay, male, mulatto website marketed towards white men that want to pound me in my ass.

It's not me the one deluding myself. Humans are not asexual reproducing plants. We are sexually reproducing animals. Go ask any biologist and he or she will tell you a male has XY chromosomes. Period. The male and female that reproduce the most offspring are defined (in evolutionary theory) as the "fittest." In other words biologist gauge organism "fitness" by how many offspring they have.

I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all or give a biology lesson. Really, I'm not. But the theory of evolution - which underpins the whole of the biological sciences - is not a kind, soft, cuddly thing that merely recites the poems and songs liberals or members of the Democratic Party love to hear.

And if I'm to - encourage to - abandon vague mystical religiosity like notions of the "soul" for pure, hard, science and let that inform how I view the world, then I can not simply go against what I'm truly led to believe, per what limited things I know from the sciences, just to appease the religiously bent or those hell bent on a socio-political agenda.

[runningdownthatdream]

I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all or give a biology lesson. Really, I'm not.

Too late.....you already do.

You are remarkable though for your ability to connect seemingly disparate things under what you must think is a cohesive theory.

You even paid some kind of homage to Jesus while previously decrying anything but 'facts' and 'science'. I wonder how you marry science with ecstatic religion since one requires no facts and the other requires all facts?