Usama bin Laden is dead

[robertlouis]

That's true - but I think a regional war with india might kick-off sooner. What China might do in that event (bearing in mind their own little Islamist problem ) is intriguing.

Yep, could be yet another good example of the adage "Be careful what you wish for" and, indeed, the law of unintended consequences.

As for me I'm going online elsewhere to check out tin helmet futures....

[robertlouis]

The US has been in Pakistan (etal) since the sun set on the British Empire.

I believe it was an American who once said that the British Empire is the empire on which the sun never sets - because God wouldn't trust the English in the dark.

[BigDF]

Can someone please explain to me how he is an African American? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black African... You know, I suppose that does make him an African American actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an African American. I'm just going to call myself a Black American from now on so that there's no confusion.

Thank you! Maybe in another couple of generations you can just be an American without reference to the color of your skin.

And since this board is the first thing I pay attention to in the morning it is here that I've learned that OBL (or is it UBL?) one of the assholes responsible for 9/11 is dead. The only cause for celebration that I can see is that now that the mission in Afghanistan is completed, we can start bringing our troops home. Not that I'm going to hold my breath or anything.

[robertlouis]

And since this board is the first thing I pay attention to in the morning it is here that I've learned that OBL (or is it UBL?) one of the assholes responsible for 9/11 is dead. The only cause for celebration that I can see is that now that the mission in Afghanistan is completed, we can start bringing our troops home. Not that I'm going to hold my breath or anything.

Sadly it isn't. While the presence of large numbers of US and other nato forces in Afghanistan serves two purposes - one to attempt to stabilise a country that has successfully resisted every previous attempt to do so, so good luck with that one, and secondly it means that there are forces available in the region should the situation in Pakistan fall into anarchy or worse. In my view this event potentially changes all the political undertakings to withdraw by 2014.

Walking away now, however emotionally desirable, would be like pouring petrol on the flames

[natina]

ape was the reason that many African Americans or mixed with European.

slave master use to rape there female and sometimes male slaves


http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia...nt_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia...nt_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia...nt_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia...nt_67579842180


IF YOU TAKE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY

you will find out that

1.)blacks where invisible
no records kept of family or family tree,family separated.

2.)blacks where nameless with a few exceptions of those who escaped and fought against slavery like FREDERICK DOUGLAS


3.)BLACKS WERE NOT CONSIDERED A PERSON


4.)slave women often father children by slave masters
and so many african americans are concidered to be MULATTOS
THEY WERE RAPED AND THE WHITE WIFE WAS POWERLESS ALTHOUGHT THEY HAD ISSUES WITH IT
YOU CAN NOT RAPE A SLAVE GIRL IF YOU ARE A MASTER.

5.)slaves were considered to be CHATTEL
like live stock

and so much more disturbing facts

The said book and what you quoted is very deep and moving. I thought they had 'black history month' in all schools in the US or is it only certain states? do the schools that feed the ivy league teaches it? So they gloss over what happened and only focus on roots which is pure fiction? what about Native American history, isnt it taught in schools because they went throught genocide and denial of basic human rights

One other question. Isnt there is a popular saying: 'I wont be your whipping boy' or 'i wont be your N word' in other words you treat the blacks like that not us? Ist

slave were called chattel and breed

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chattel


THERE IS A BOOK CALLED

CELIA THE SLAVE

IT DESCRIBES LIFE AS A SLAVE BACK THEN


http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia...nt_67579842180

this is why African history should be included in American history and taught in the schools in the USA






McLaurin tells the story of a slave girl named Celia. We only know her as Celia, she has no other name. Robert Newsom, a plantation owner in Callaway, Missouri, purchased her at age 14. Newsom was recently widowed and it seems he purchased Celia with a sexual motive. As he brought her back to the farm, he raped her. From then on, Newsom "visited" Celia often in a cabin he provided for her which was very close to the main household. Over the years, Celia had two children with Newsom, which he considered "his property".

There were four other slaves on the plantation, but they were all men, so it was hard for Celia to confide in anyone. Soon, however, Celia formed a relationship with the slave George. By this time, the girl is 19 years old and is pregnant again. George is aware of what Newsom is doing and gives Celia an ultimatum - either she tell Newsom to leave her alone, or he would leave her.

When Newsom came to her cabin, Celia told him she wouldn't allow him to come anymore. However, Newsom didn't care since HE was HER master. He proceeded to rape her again. However, Celia hit him over the head with a club with intentions to wound him, but it was a fatal blow instead. Thus, the trial of Celia begins.

The rest of the story is history; wonderful history. The author combines a great story with historical facts. This makes the book very interesting. It's not like you're reading a history book, which is just plain facts. This book makes it fun and easy to learn. The information about the trial is factual, but since McLaurin put it in a story-like form, it is very interesting.

This is a great book to read if you are interested in what it was like to be a slave, or even if you need to do some kind of report. The author touches on so many aspects of a slaves' life. Taking place in the 1850's. McLaurin discusses the Dred Scott Case, tensions between bordering states, and regional/national elections. A huge part of this story focuses on the different laws of the time. For example:

-Is a slave 3/5 of a person?
-Does a slave have rights?
-Is a slave considered property?
-Is a slave considered a man or woman?

Celia is assigned lawyers, since a slave isn't allowed to testify in court - Can you believe the ridiculous laws back then? If a slave can't testify, how is he/she supposed to state his/her side of the story?

I don't want to give away all of the details of the trial, but there is one crucial element that I want to discuss a little bit. The issue is discussed of whether Celia is considered a woman. White women had the right to defend themselves against a man who was forcing himself upon her. Celia is a woman, so this law should apply to her as well. After all, she was only defending herself from this man. This discussion was a huge turning point during the trial. The jury and judge had to decide whether or not Celia had this right. It was such a big issue because it would totally change the law around. If she was a woman, she would have this right and it would make slave women more equal with white women. This would, in turn, take away some of the powers of the slave holder. If she did not have this right, things would remain the same and Celia would be hung.

By the end of the book, after much fighting and debating, Celia is pronounced guilty. The story illustrates just how terrible the life of a slave could be. The author put so much into this piece and made it so thorough that you don't just learn about the history while the trial is going on. Instead, he dedicated a couple of chapters to give you some background on the subject and to show the reader what is influencing the judge and jury's decision. (That is the part of the book that gets a little bit boring, because it really isn't in a story format, but just fact after fact on paper). Also, some parts of the book are a little bit hard to understand, this is not an extremely easy reader.

"Celia, A Slave" is a great historical book that is well written and actually fun to read. I really didn't think I would like the book when I first got it, I was actually a little bit hesitant, but it turned out just fine in the end.

Does anyone know if there is any evidence of slave breeding plantations as depicted in those novels? I for one believe it was pure fantasy and unlikely to happen in reality. To begin with it would take nearly 20 years for a new generation to develop, unlike breeding horses, cattle, sheep dogs etc. That would be too long plus it would be doubtful there would be enought numbers. Secondly the aim of any plantation slave holder is for passive or docile captives, but that was very difficult, going by the revolts that took place and sabotage or slow work.
So the answer would be to continuing importing new captives who were new to the country did not speak the language than using enslaved blacks who grew up in the plantations.

This myth of 'breeding' always comes up in debates about sports and athletics, especailly when it is trumpetted, how no white athlete has ever completed the 100M in under ten seconds.( I believe this year someone did?? Please enlighten me if i am wrong.) The muscle twitch gene is behind the black runners success in sprints. Since the top sprinters are from America and the caribbean and not west africa, it is said slavery had something to do with it, so this myth of 'breeding' came up. I believe Hitler said something similar folowing Jesse Owens winning 4 golds at the Berlin Olympics, he claimed the black man had an in built advantage over white runners. When it later came out that the Nazis practiced eugenics and strived to create a new 'pure aryan race', which failed anyway, creative writers after the war started writing about slave breeding plantations in the US.

Another point which shoots the 'breeding' myth to bits, is that other sports like cycling has sprinting and long distance aspects to it, which would favour black athletes. However no black cyclists has ever won the tour de france. That sport is dominated by white athletes also skiing, swimming, rowing, weight lifting etc. Yet no one asks questions whether white athletes are better equipped at them like blacks are supposed to be in sprinting.

Can someone please explain to me how he is an African American? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black African... You know, I suppose that does make him an African American actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an African American. I'm just going to call myself a Black American from now on so that there's no confusion.

[natina]

THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE 100% Caucasian ( NO AFRICAN ANCESTRY)


Bliss Broyard




Bliss Broyard is the author of My Father, Dancing (1999), a New York Times notable book of the year, and One Drop: My Father's Hidden Life -- A Story of Race & Family Secrets (2007). Her work has been anthologized in Best American Short Stories, The Pushcart Prize Anthology and The Art of the Essay, and she is a frequent contributor to Elle Magazine and The New York Times Book Review. Broyard lives in Brooklyn, New York, with her husband and daughter.


1753 Etienne Broyard, Bliss Broyard's fourth great grandfather, arrives in New Orleans from La Rochelle, France, a white soldier in the French Royal Army. Approximately half of the 3,000 people living in New Orleans at this time are slaves.

1855 Henry Antoine Broyard and Marie Pauline Bonnet, Bliss Broyard's great, great grandparents, marry in 1855. Pauline is a free person of color, and because marriage between blacks and whites is prohibited, Henry lists himself as "FPC," a free person of color, on the marriage license. Marie Pauline's family is among the 10,000 refugees from Saint Domingue, later renamed Haiti, who came to New Orleans after the colony's fight for independence.

1862 Henry Broyard's regiment, the First Louisiana Native Guard Infantry, is the first black regiment in the Union Army to enter the Civil War in September, 1862.

1920 Anatole Broyard is born in 1920. In 1927, Paul and Edna Broyard abandon New Orleans for Brooklyn, N.Y., bringing Anatole and his two sisters with them.

1990 New York Times critic and essayist Anatole Broyard dies of cancer. His wife, Alexandra, tells his daughter Bliss and son Todd that their father is part black, descended from Creoles in New Orleans.
Put Bliss Broyard's life and ancestry in historical context with the Interactive Historical Timeline.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html


http://www.theroot.com/id/44162



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html

the creation of whiteness THAT DIRTY TRICK
THE CREATION OF WHITENESS


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wis...whiteness-clip


White skin appeared just 20,000 to 50,000 years ago, as dark-skinned humans migrated to colder climes and lost much of their melanin pigment.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/20-things-skin


see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

Race is an old concept that should probably be discarded. It was
created by people who had a very limited knowledge of their world. If you

look at any genetic map (mitochondrial or Y chromosome DNA), you can

see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

race.

Here's a nice map

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

[natina]

Six Black Presidents: Black Blood : White Masks USA

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the benefits of denying your black ancestry in a movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitati...ife_(1959_film)

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpres...nt/uploads/200

[lisaparadise]

Thank god this piece of shit is dead its about freakin time.this event should be a national holiday.now lets get the rest of his clan and shoot them dead.

[natina]

One book, "Black People and their Place in World History," by Dr. Leroy Vaughn, even claims that five past presidents — Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge — had black ancestors, which would make Obama the sixth of his kind.

Mix in a few centuries' worth of Central, South and Native Americans, plus Asians, and untold millions of today's U.S. citizens need a DNA test to decipher their true colors. The melting pot is working.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081213/...ma_s_not_black

Six Black Presidents: Black Blood : White Masks USA

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the benefits of denying your black ancestry in a movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitati...ife_(1959_film)

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpres...nt/uploads/200

[natina]

your DNA REVEALED
FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY THEY ARE MIXED WHICH MAKES THEM BLACK

THIS was surpressed


see the root


OBAMA is not the 1st half black & white president of the USA


I INVITE THEM TO GET THERE DNA TESTED

OBAMA is not the 1st half black/white president of the USA

infact when you think about it obama was not the 1st black president if you say like past America that a drop of African blood makes you black.

THE 1ST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND A FEW MORE WERE HALF BLACK but they could not promote that else they would not get elected or accepted



famous Caucasian people find out there PART BLACK
will this change there attitude?

your DNA REVEALED

http://www.theroot.com/id/44256?videoId=1386375784

http://www.theroot.com/id/44162

Bliss Broyard

Bliss Broyard is the author of My Father, Dancing (1999), a New York Times notable book of the year, and One Drop: My Father's Hidden Life -- A Story of Race & Family Secrets (2007). Her work has been anthologized in Best American Short Stories, The Pushcart Prize Anthology and The Art of the Essay, and she is a frequent contributor to Elle Magazine and The New York Times Book Review. Broyard lives in Brooklyn, New York, with her husband and daughter.


1753 Etienne Broyard, Bliss Broyard's fourth great grandfather, arrives in New Orleans from La Rochelle, France, a white soldier in the French Royal Army. Approximately half of the 3,000 people living in New Orleans at this time are slaves.

1855 Henry Antoine Broyard and Marie Pauline Bonnet, Bliss Broyard's great, great grandparents, marry in 1855. Pauline is a free person of color, and because marriage between blacks and whites is prohibited, Henry lists himself as "FPC," a free person of color, on the marriage license. Marie Pauline's family is among the 10,000 refugees from Saint Domingue, later renamed Haiti, who came to New Orleans after the colony's fight for independence.

1862 Henry Broyard's regiment, the First Louisiana Native Guard Infantry, is the first black regiment in the Union Army to enter the Civil War in September, 1862.

1920 Anatole Broyard is born in 1920. In 1927, Paul and Edna Broyard abandon New Orleans for Brooklyn, N.Y., bringing Anatole and his two sisters with them.

1990 New York Times critic and essayist Anatole Broyard dies of cancer. His wife, Alexandra, tells his daughter Bliss and son Todd that their father is part black, descended from Creoles in New Orleans.
Put Bliss Broyard's life and ancestry in historical context with the Interactive Historical Timeline.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html


http://www.diversityinc.com/public/i...res_poster.jpg

If they had black ancestors, that would´ve been apparent. Thomas Jefferson for example was born in 1743 when slavery was still "young". So, if he had black ancestors, it would have been OBVIOUS.