Homophobia and hypocrisy on hungangels

[gotchagood]

I’ve been around on this forum for quite a while but rarely see the need to post very much except for using the stories section as an opportunity to get people to read my work. Anyway, I’ve decided to break that habit to raise a point that has begun to get on my nerves a little on reading the threads on this board, namely the shocking levels of casual (and sometimes quite insistent) homophobia present among quite a lot of posters, even extending to one user recently describing how he has hurt gay people in the past while at the same time pursuing his interested in transsexuals.

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. The issue here, as I see it, is not whether these guys are gay (there’s as much difference in desires and kinks within these guys as any other, none are at least 100% straight but certainly for some a lust for transsexuals indicates more of a gay side than it does for others), but why these guys consider being gay to be such an objectionable thing that the very thought that they themselves could be gay could stand in the way of their happiness and pleasure. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?

As for me, I will happily admit to having both my straight side and my gay side, if you’re into labels I’m happy to call myself bisexual. I am a man in a long term relationship with a straight genetic girl, but I do not feel my gay thoughts or fantasies make me somehow any worse than a totally straight guy (obviously they would if I ever acted on these fantasies and cheated on my girl, but that would be equally true of a straight guy who sometimes fantasises about women other than his girlfriend). Anyone who has read my stories will know that I have a load of rather kinky fantasies but I don’t feel this should impact on how I treat real people, whether in person or online. I like to crossdress, but I do so for sexual pleasure, this does not make me the same thing as a genuine transwoman, who feels herself to be an actual woman even if born in a male body and therefore dresses and acts as a woman as her whole life not just sexually. Neither, however, do I feel this means I am less of a person or more worthy of abuse than a transwoman.

I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

Good post. Speaking for myself, I have no problem with "crossdressers" etc. If this is what makes you feel good or puts you in the mood , then so be it. I do beleive there are alot of guys that don't understand "themselves" and get scared when they find out what turns them on. Me? I like and view crossdressers, femboys etc. just as I do all people, I take them at face value. I love the "feminine" and if that's what's on display, then I'm into it, lipstick and all. We "all" have thoughts etc. of jumping the fence. It's a normal part of life. So relax people, go with the flow and enjoy being in your own skin. Have a great day.

[jamesedwards]

The LGBT community has always been a sprawling mass of disparate identities and viewpoints and yet, still, I have always found it slightly surprising that the different branches of this so-called “community” have been so willing to adopt a confrontational stand point towards others. In particular, this applies to transgender people who are often viewed by homosexuals with suspicion and antagonism and react similarly in response. While it is important to recognise that homosexuality and transgender are not one and the same thing, that a transwoman is not at all the same as a gay man, these two minority groups, often viewed as unnatural by mainstream society, have a lot to gain from adopting a conciliatory standpoint towards each other. Notably, there is an unnecessary level of antagonism between the men who are attracted to transwomen and men who are attracted to other men.

On these boards, this translates as a world of “straight” men who lust after transsexual women denigrating anything they deem to be “gay” as if this was somehow a terrible thing, a disturbing abnormality that no normal man would want to be associated with. There are so many threads of men worried that liking transsexuals means they are gay. There is an odd notion that those guys who lust after transsexuals but consider themselves “straight” are somehow better than those whose transsexual desires are more gay (partly but not totally linked to the idea that to be a “top” is more straight than to be a gay bottom). How can the one possibly be morally superior to the other?



I guess this thread is a case in point - http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584 (This “club kid” would make the perfect t-girl). In this thread pictures are posted of a variety of crossdressers, emo kids, feminine twinks and all sorts else, basically anyone who looks feminine but isn’t undergoing any actual gender reassignment transition. Some of these guys and girls are hot, some of them really aren’t, that’s not the point. The point is that, worryingly, both the fans and haters of this thread rapidly adopt a disturbingly homophobic position. While the haters seem keen to put down anything they don’t like as “gay” and therefore instantly wrong, the fans are no better, worried and paranoid that their desire for femme bois and crossdressed sissies is somehow gay and wrong. Guess what, it is gay! But that can’t make it any more “wrong” than anything else.

I guess that all I’m asking is that people adopt a more tolerant stance towards other people’s desires and fetishes. A straight man is no better than a gay man, a transwoman no worse than one. If you’re not into something, there’s no reason aggressively to strike out at those who are. Everybody is different, what harm can there be in saying love and let love?

Good post best I seen in a long time. I remember two guys on here ranting about it's gay if you suck and get fucked by a TGirl, and I debated with them. They were idiots! There are thousands of Tgirls that love to fuck ass just as well as get fucked and want to get sucked just as well as suck, so are we to deny them of their sexual right? Because those idiots are only thinking of themselves and not seeing the bigger picture that there are different strokes for different folks. I am straight up a nasty motha fucka and I am not ashamed, if a sexy Tgirl and I are fucking trust me I will give the dick as well as take it. If I want to just fuck I could just do a woman and not fuck with a TGirl at all. There are some TGirls that just wanna be on the bottom and not dish any cock out, hey that's on them, but don't get angry at me because I like what I like. A Tgirl that only bottoms shouldn't make it seem like she is right and a Tgirl that tops and bottoms is wrong, fuck outta here with that non sense. REAL TALK! Do what you do and respect others, I SAID RESPECT others.

This word tolerance should be thrown in the got dam trash. The word when dealing with PEOPLE is not in it's proper contence. Saying "YOU SHOULD TOLERATE OTHERS" is like saying to me "I REALLY HATE THEIR ASSES BUT I AM JUST GOING TO PUT UP WITH THEIR SHIT". No that's not a word to use, and I know the words of art and how society subliminally shove words to us and we use them without thinking. Instead of tolerating someone's thing and how they do it or race or faith SAY RESPECT IT!

See I respect if a Tgirl is a bottom only she just aint the one for me there's no fun in just that, but I respect her decision, I just don't like these big mouth motha fuckas running around here calling people gay because they top and bottom with a TGirl yes these same motha fuckas is fucking a Tgirl with A COCK! I mean what fuck are they talking about? These same motha fuckas are fucking bottom Tgirls with cocks and I know the cock has to slap against their stomach or some shit while their fucking. What they avoid the whole cock? I mean wtf ! I don't like boring fucking I like that wild gutta knock'em down sex! I love those TGirls that love to pound some ass and love fucking nasty just like me, we 69 suck each others cocks and enjoy the shit that's going down. I enjoy watching the beast and passion come out a TGirl as she turns into another person and fucks me in the ass and spanks my ass and make me take her cock. For those that don't agree FUCK YOU!

[jamesedwards]

Let it be told I am not gay, or bisexual I am a TRI-SEXUAL, I am giong to try some nasty fucking and if you excite me we going to get into some wild as fucking plain and simple!

[jamesedwards]

Transwomen are just women who just happened to be born in the wrong body. I think a lot of people make the misconception that if a guy likes a TS and her cock then he must be gay, because he likes cock. Could it be that he is just attractive to the girl and cock was just something extra. It's like being at McDonalds and ordering a Big Mac and small fries, but when the order comes the cashier gives you a Big Mac and large fries. It was just something extra that came along with it. I bet a lot transwomen don't see themselves as part of the gay community, so why does that make the guys who like them to be gay?
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Hell yeah now you are speaking the truth. There are TGirls that are women and just have the dick. I seen the most sexiest black Hermaphrodite she has 11 inches of dick and a pussy at the same time and she can cum from both, I would marry that bitch if I could find her! When I seen her in the video that I have I almost died in lust. She is a woman she has no man features and she is all natural. she is so fucking fine men that claim they wouldn't that fine bitch would have them on their knees taking her dick! Mark my words tha's how fine she is. When you look into it and understand the body and how it can go off course sometimes you understand what's a woman and what's not. You hit that shit right on the head. There are beautiful Tgirl women that are natural they just have a dick those the ones I love and if she love to bottom and top send her ass to me, while motha fuckas is talking about I am others are gay we will be fucking IN YOUR PUNK ASS NAME! Great post!

[jamesedwards]

If Ima be with a Tgirl I am going to love all of her and show her that I love all of her by acting on it.

[jamesedwards]

I posted that picture because it was funny (c'mon...the Hoff and Coleman). But the truth is.. WHO GIVES A FUCK

People. Quit yer bitchin and get fucking. No labels, move on.

you like women great
you like guys great
you like tgirls great
you like women with 3rd nipples.....welll that's just sick.

But geezus people. The "am I gay", "you're a faggot" whining is really getting old. If someone calls you a faggot because you were bottomed and you took offence to that, just ask yourself one question "Did I like it?" If the answer is yes, then do it again!

Look in the end we're on this rock once. Get it wherever and however you can.

Soapbox speech done.

Fucking great post. Who the fuck is Tracy and why is Tracy here if it deems Fucking TGirls is gay? LOL You see it makes no dam sense if you think all this shit is gay what the fuck are you doing here in the first place? LOL

TO TRACY ----->

[Quiet Reflections]

1) my grammar sucks but come on "Most Sexiest" ?
2) 11 inches and a pussy, both functional. BULLSHIT

[natina]

some TS think they are better then a fem boi or a crossdresser or even a non passable TS

they say they are just men in dresses but most people say you are just men who take hormones and or got silicone injections and or surgery and or wears makeup and or wears dresses.

THEY DO NOT DISTINGUISH A TRANSSEXUAL FROM A CROSSDRESSER OR A TRANSGENDER


TO MOST YOU ARE STILL A MAN AND TO SOME ONLY THE MOST PRETTY AND FEMINE TS OR WOMEN THE REST OR MEN IN DRESSES

[jamesedwards]

1) my grammar sucks but come on "Most Sexiest" ?
2) 11 inches and a pussy, both functional. BULLSHIT

Dude what the fuck are you a school teacher? Is this all you have to offer to the dam convo? Motha fucka move on, beat it, shoot, bug off, get the cane, stage left, bounce, fuck outta here, skate, get your ass on, get to steppin, push a parked car, etc, I mean dammmmm was that good enough grammer for your ass?

[jamesedwards]

some TS think they are better then a fem boi or a crossdresser or even a non passable TS

they say they are just men in dresses but most people say you are just men who take hormones and or got silicone injections and or surgery and or wears makeup and or wears dresses.

THEY DO NOT DISTINGUISH A TRANSSEXUAL FROM A CROSSDRESSER OR A TRANSGENDER


TO MOST YOU ARE STILL A MAN AND TO SOME ONLY THE MOST PRETTY AND FEMINE TS OR WOMEN THE REST OR MEN IN DRESSES

That's real talk, word up good point.