Muslims

[thombergeron]

Let me put it to you this way....I don't dislike anyone on here. These are political, ideological discussions, and they should be passionate. But you're a first....I find myself loathing you to the point of rejoicing in your demise. Maybe I need confession? LMAO ...I looked back at some of your posts.....The vast majority of them are on 2 subjects.. your vociferous, rigorous defense of Muslims...all Muslims, or your frequent Christian bashing. Other than that, you're pretty much a blank slate. On posts on the General board, you're almost non existent. On posts that many participate in like Kelly Shore's "Tell us a little about yourself" or Where are you from"....you're a no show as far as I can tell....correct me if I'm wrong. Why are you here? What's your deal? You definitely have a problem with Christians to the point of bigotry. This post really isn't an attempt to solicit a response. You're whole gig is pretty revolting and very predictable so save it....I'm not interested. You're persona non grata.

That’s awesome. So here you are, a follower of Christ, the Prince of Peace, daydreaming about the joy you’ll feel when another human being is killed. And why are you wishing death upon another human being? Because I hurt your pride by calling you a dummy on the Internet? Isn’t pride a sin, too? You’re a terrible spokesman for the alleged moral superiority of Christianity.

The blank slate is between your ears. It’s not actually all that complicated. I have a job, so I don’t have an enormous amount of time to spend chit-chatting on an Internet porn forum. But ignorance and hypocrisy really drive me ape-shit, and having served in the Middle East and conducted research in other Muslim countries, I actually know a little bit about political Islam, unlike you.

I don’t really understand what my post history here has to do with anything. I’ve discussed my background on several occasions and have made no real attempt to hide who I am or what I do. If you’d actually obsessively tracked down my posts as you claim, you’d have a pretty clear idea of where I’m coming from. But either you haven’t done that, or you’re cognitively impaired, because you continue to misunderstand my fairly simple points:

1. Religion – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc. – represents a significant impediment to human progress. At best, religion represents a preference for the irrational over the rational, and at worst, it inspires hatred and tribalism.
2. The religious extremism that inspires that hatred and tribalism represents only a tiny minority of the adherents of any given faith. Condemning the group for the actions of a few is called bigotry.
3. Extremism is common to all religions. Obsessively cataloging the atrocities committed by extremists of one faith while steadfastly refusing to even acknowledge the existence of extremists within your own faith is hypocrisy.

OK, now you get to totally devastate me by reposting all the times I've mounted a "vociferous, rigorous defense of Muslims"...

[Ineeda SM]

1. Religion – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc. – represents a significant impediment to human progress. At best, religion represents a preference for the irrational over the rational, and at worst, it inspires hatred and tribalism.
2. The religious extremism that inspires that hatred and tribalism represents only a tiny minority of the adherents of any given faith. Condemning the group for the actions of a few is called bigotry.
3. Extremism is common to all religions. Obsessively cataloging the atrocities committed by extremists of one faith while steadfastly refusing to even acknowledge the existence of extremists within your own faith is hypocrisy.

Very well said Thom. I have tried on many occasions to offer the exact meaning you have expressed with those 3 points. Of course the right wingers are racist at heart, and can not see beyond 2 dimensional thinking. They only know the extremes: Black and white, hot and cold, up or down.... They are blind to every aspect in between. And if the evidence you provide does not support their theory, they use their poor imagination to bolster their viewpoint. The worse part is, they think we are all stupid enough to believe it.

Thanks for making those points so clear, accurate, and eloquently. Good post.

[TJ347]

Yep. Remember when a bunch of Jews celebrated Baruch Goldstein shooting up a mosque full of people praying? Killed 29 people and wounded over 120 others?

Hundreds of Jews Gather To Honor Hebron Killer

Of course, by your standard, this means that all Jews everywhere and forever are in favor of gunning down praying people.

Knees, I've got to give credit to Thom on this one. Only here in America are people so stupid as to continue looking sideways at people who they assume are Arabs, when Muslims come in all different races and creeds. Creeds is probably most important, because despite many assuming all Muslims want to destroy America, I personally know many who have come here to escape the fundamentalist element in their countries of origin and are employed as professionals (mainly doctors) here in the US.

Meanwhile, we have imbeciles who have neither the mental capacity, love of freedom, or courage of the individuals they are so quick to throw in the same group. This forum is a microcosm of that very fact. I would not be surprised to find some of the people bashing Muslims in this very thread to be members of militant anti-government or neo-Nazi organizations, but I am intelligent enough not to lump you in with them despite some similar themes in some of what you've said. That ability is what seperates us from the Neanderthal, or at least some of us.

[russtafa]

I am amazed at you American liberals and how you ignore the problems of massed muslim immigration to Europe.England alone has so many terrorist plots from their muslim population that i am surprised that their security service can monitor all of them.There is a constant cry from their muslim population for muslim law and you liberal/ostrich's cant see a problem.

[robertlouis]

I'm surprised that all the focus on Islamic terrorism in the US assumes that the terrorists are all Arabs. In terms of population the three largest Muslim nations are Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia. Pakistan in its currently febrile and fragmented state is arguably infinitely more dangerous to the west than anything that emanates from the middle east.

The CIA and MI6 understand this, but it has next to no public profile, despite the fact that almost all the terrorist plots in the UK and Europe have a strong involvement with Pakistan.

[onmyknees]

That’s awesome. So here you are, a follower of Christ, the Prince of Peace, daydreaming about the joy you’ll feel when another human being is killed. And why are you wishing death upon another human being? Because I hurt your pride by calling you a dummy on the Internet? Isn’t pride a sin, too? You’re a terrible spokesman for the alleged moral superiority of Christianity.

The blank slate is between your ears. It’s not actually all that complicated. I have a job, so I don’t have an enormous amount of time to spend chit-chatting on an Internet porn forum. But ignorance and hypocrisy really drive me ape-shit, and having served in the Middle East and conducted research in other Muslim countries, I actually know a little bit about political Islam, unlike you.

I don’t really understand what my post history here has to do with anything. I’ve discussed my background on several occasions and have made no real attempt to hide who I am or what I do. If you’d actually obsessively tracked down my posts as you claim, you’d have a pretty clear idea of where I’m coming from. But either you haven’t done that, or you’re cognitively impaired, because you continue to misunderstand my fairly simple points:

1. Religion – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc. – represents a significant impediment to human progress. At best, religion represents a preference for the irrational over the rational, and at worst, it inspires hatred and tribalism.
2. The religious extremism that inspires that hatred and tribalism represents only a tiny minority of the adherents of any given faith. Condemning the group for the actions of a few is called bigotry.
3. Extremism is common to all religions. Obsessively cataloging the atrocities committed by extremists of one faith while steadfastly refusing to even acknowledge the existence of extremists within your own faith is hypocrisy.

OK, now you get to totally devastate me by reposting all the times I've mounted a "vociferous, rigorous defense of Muslims"...

Man...where you been? It was so nice without your endless lectures on tolerance towards Muslims and your Christian bashing. That post is so old, I almost don't remember making it....but I still dislike you...time has not healed that wound !


You really don't understand what your post history has to do with anything>???? That's the most inane thing I've ever heard , and the funniest. It defines who you are and what you believe....Like I said before...you're a basher, a hater...but you fancy yourself as being enlightened ...informed...telling us how you served in the middle east and your deep understaning of Islam. Who gives a fuck about your bio? You're still an shithead who thinks he knows more than he does.... I've been there too but I don't walk around telling the fucking world about it. Try those stories on your co-workers. maybe they'll be impressed. Now...as a for that job of yours...I think they're calling you back to work. Hope to see you in 6 months...But not to worry....even when you return you're still persona non grata...

[tsnajwa]

I am amazed at you American liberals and how you ignore the problems of massed muslim immigration to Europe.England alone has so many terrorist plots from their muslim population that i am surprised that their security service can monitor all of them.There is a constant cry from their muslim population for muslim law and you liberal/ostrich's cant see a problem.

russtafa stop spreading your paranoia and prejudice... if you are from Aus i would be much more concerned about abbos commiting knife crimes there as that is much much more likely to happen in your country than terrorist plot..
xxo

[Stavros]

England alone has so many terrorist plots from their muslim population that i am surprised that their security service can monitor all of them.There is a constant cry from their muslim population for muslim law and you liberal/ostrich's cant see a problem

Most of the 'plots' as you call them that were prevented by the police relied on information that came from the very same 'Muslim community'. The Muslims in the UK who want to live under Shari'a law are a minority and most of them are grandstanding as Jihadis because they have nothing else to do, or to impress people 'back home' and so on -yes, there are threats and I don't doubt one or two might get under the radar, but the atrocities that have been committed have alienated more Muslims than they have converted.

There is a complexity to the Muslim profile in the UK, most of whom are from the Indian sub-continent and have poor relations with, for example, the Arabs who are not amused at the fact that their brother Muslims cannot speak a word of Arabic but can recite passages from the Qu'ran. One Arab I knew pleaded with me to find him a kosher butcher because he felt he was being ripped off by the Halal butchers from the Indian sub-continent. The same Arab, when introduced to an Iranian, went sullen and silent, while the Somali's many of whom have been established for a long time have their own radical enthusiasts but can also be decent people -an English couple sailing the world in their yacht, hi-jacked by pirates and held in appalling conditions in Somalia, were released through the efforts of a Somali-born taxi driver who gave up his job here and went back to the country to negotiate their release -putting his own life in danger.

As I have said before, there will always be a lunatic fringe, but they are a fringe, and most of them are 'known to the authorities'...

[Prospero]

I've been involved in a big project looking at the orofie of Muslims in the UK and I would fully endorse the remarks just posted by Stavros. Militant Islam in the UK reflects the concerns of a tiny minority. There are a few idiotic loudmouths (like Anjem Choudhary) who reflect nothing - and who have just a tiny coterie of immature and rather silly followers.The reaction in Europe against Muslims (Burka bans in France, minaret bans in Switzerland, the rise of the far right in Holland and elsewhere etc etc) are vastly out of proportion to any real threat posed by islam.

[hippifried]

I am amazed at you American liberals and how you ignore the problems of massed muslim immigration to Europe.England alone has so many terrorist plots from their muslim population that i am surprised that their security service can monitor all of them.There is a constant cry from their muslim population for muslim law and you liberal/ostrich's cant see a problem.

Well aren't you easily amazed...

We Americans aren't Europeans, or Brits. Since we don't have much of a problem with the American Muslim population, it's hard not to assume that the European & eurocentric problems are just a consequence of their own attitudes. Especially when taking the rants of the eurocentric hate mongers into account.