Muslims

[fred41]

You may not have noticed that I wasn't the one who brought up Juan Williams in the first place. Plainly, the nuance you have so painstaking parsed was a bit too subtle for mouthbreathers like onmyknees, who now cite Williams' comments as evidence for the widespread fear of Muslim. Again, Q.E.D.

You don't win an argument against what you feel is misinformation...with more misinformation.QED

[Dino Velvet]

Why would anyone be afraid of Chinese women?

Every time I show them two twenties they give me a forty dollar head job. Seems like a good deal to me. I like China Ladies.

[onmyknees]

Man, you just continue to talk out of your ass. You have no idea at all what you're talking about.

Juan Williams is not a liberal. One needs to hold liberal viewpoints in order to be a liberal, not just have dark skin. And Americans are afraid of Muslims because people like Juan Williams go on TV and tell them that they should fear Muslims. Q.E.D.



Promise Keepers is an international Christian men’s organization founded by the head football coach at the University of Colorado Boulder. Their rallies attract thousands. They are very much a mainstream evangelical Christian organization and they firmly believe that men hold dominion over women. The Lord’s Resistance Army is a terrorist organization founded in Uganda that has killed and mutilated tens of thousands of people over the last decade. They kidnap children and force them to serve as soldiers and they use rape as a weapon. And they do it for Jesus. Neither of these groups is in Idaho playing army. Again, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about.



A) You have no idea at all what Muslims teach their kids in schools. You’ve never seen a Muslim school in your life.

B) Saudi Arabia is not a moderate Muslim country. It’s a theocracy. Indonesia is a moderate Muslim country. In fact, Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country on the planet. I’ve spent a significant amount of time in Indonesia, and they don’t hate Americans. They don’t even teach it in their schools.



That’s kinda funny, coming from somebody who couldn’t be arsed to google “Promise Keepers.”


It doesn’t make me feel better. I sincerely wish you were not an ignorant bigot. The U.S. and the world would be a lot better if people like you made an effort to be less ignorant.



See several quick links I provided earlier in this thread. It’s also not difficult to simply google “Muslims condemn violence” or “Muslims condemn attacks.” But then that would be really inconvenient for your argument, so maybe you should just stick your fingers back in your ears and go, “La la la la…”

Or, we could have some fun by turning this on it’s head. I provided you a golden opportunity to condemn the LRA’s Christian terror campaign, and you declined. Why do you support Christian terrorism?

Why do you continue to deflect attention off radical Islam and attempt to draw some equivalency between the Promise Keepers and Muslim extremists? I know full well what the Promise keepers are. I understand what you're attempting to do, but it's a huge fail. Here is what Professor J. Terry from Drew University who has studied them for years said in an expose about them..

Racial reconciliation was central to PK’s message back in the 1990s. The genius of PK, in one sense, was that it tapped into that decade’s multicultural zeitgeist, giving it a spiritual spin. The stadium rallies provided tableaux of white, Latino, Asian, Native American, and African American men, singing, holding hands, and praying together in a show of Christian male bonding. True, Promise Keepers provided no theological or political critique of structural racism in the United States—racism was deemed a personal sin to be confessed.

These attitudes about race found their iconic moment at the 1997 DC rally. When white evangelist John Dawson knelt in prayer to ask forgiveness from his African American brothers for his own sin of racism, men of color gathered around him to affirm his repentance and accept his apology. PK rallies always seemed to draw mostly white men, but there was (and remains) a very real and significant African American presence in leadership positions. PK’s current President, Raleigh Washington, a black man, got his start back in the 1990s as PK’s VP for Reconciliation.



That's a little different picture than the one you would have us believe. I don't support them in any way, but you reveal yourself when you bring them up in the same discussion as radical Islam. And again....they seem to pose no threat of violence to anyone other than you....Don't try to draw comparisons that don't exist. It's a totally abstract argument, and it does a disservice to the victims of radical Muslims worldwide. Are you trying to tell me because some Promise Keepers once viewed women as subservient, that's a dotted line to Islam ?? That's laughable and intellectually dishonest. Shame on you....The following paragraph seems to lay your fantasies to waste..(Dr. Terry continues)

The reconciliation of the sexes was a headliner theme. Back in the ’90s, PK had a kind of ladies’ auxiliary, the “Promise Reapers,” who cheered the men on as they arrived for the stadium rallies. But on Friday night Jane Hansen Hoyt, president of Aglow International (the influential evangelical women’s ministry) became the first woman ever to speak at a PK event. And what a powerful speech it was, delivered in a driving rainstorm.

you continue...A) You have no idea at all what Muslims teach their kids in schools. You've never seen a Muslim school in your life.

Hey Mr. Apologist......I've been to Saudi Ariba working on a petroleum pipe line. I know exactly what they teach in many Madrass's and how they live, and don't tell me they don't detest the west..... Don't make assumptions about me based on your limited knowledge of me, and apparently most Americans. It's Ignorant.


"See several quick links I provided earlier in this thread. It’s also not difficult to simply google “Muslims condemn violence” or “Muslims condemn attacks.” But then that would be really inconvenient for your argument, so maybe you should just stick your fingers back in your ears and go, “La la la la…”

That's another knee slapper. There's what a billion Muslims world wide?...and you post a couple links about Muslims who condemn the attack . I'm sure they're are, just like I'm sure I could get a certain portion of the population to say they saw Elvis just leave the building. You can bury your head in the desert sands to avoid the reality and to convince yourself you have all the answers, but I'm telling you it's a fact that polls taken face to face in largely Muslim countries from Egypt to Saudi Ariba, to Afghanistan to Iraq to Lybia, to Pakistan to most recently Turkey that they do not have a favorable view of the US. What does that translate too? A fertile breeding ground for more hate. I'm sorry if that rocks your world, but those are facts. You can find an exception to any situation and You can be my guest and turn the other cheek, and indulge in fantasies, but seared into my memory was on a sunny early fall day I saw people who I probably passed in the street at some point in lower Manhattan, jumping to their death from a fiery inferno, so take your attempt at comparisons to The Promise Keepers, and to other Christians and your attempts to downplay Islamic hatred toward the west and stick it up your hypocritical, misleading ass. I give you facts about Muslim terrorists who planned and plotted attacks on the US while on US soil and you give me some horseshit about the IRA and the promise Keepers????? Your attempt to mitigate radical Islam's world wide attacks by deflecting attention to Christian Groups is weak. Tell me it's false that Christians are being killed and mistreated in most Muslims countries while those governments look the other way. Tell us all. We're waiting. You mention Indonesia....glad you brought that up. I spoke recently to a University Professor who fled there with his wife because of the creeping problem with Muslim fundamentalism. Is he wrong?? When was the last time you were there? Maybe you'd like to tell us about that problem when you're done deflecting our attention. ?? Sometime next month there's going to be Congressional Hearings by the Committe on Homeland Security on this very topic. You can call Rep. King, the chairman an Islamaphobic hater, but that would make you ignorant...so why don't we see what these hearings reveal...??
And finally you ask...".Why do you support Christian terrorism" I don't and by comparision it's rare, but you know what I do support?? That you be forced to watch the unedited , unsanatized version of the 911 bombings, and the search for survivors and then talk to me about Christian terrorism. What's next up for you.....911 was an inside job by the CIA ? Look...here's the bottom line, so save all your comparisons and equlivincies..I have a perfect right to be to be either mildly, or severally suspicious of those identifying themselves as Muslims who I don't know personally...based on the fact that all US attacks were perpetrated by Muslims who moved about us freely and blended into to everyday society. As long as my suspension does not translate into physical action or overt discrimination, I'm not only perfectly free to have those feelings, but probably prudent... despite the outrage by you and other sympathizers. It's called Freedom of Association. Goggle it ! LMAO

And one more thing.......this belongs in the Political Threads. If I want to get the Muslim slant on things, I'll simply tune into Al Jazerra...but here I'd rather be talking to, and looking at pictures of Sexy Ladies.

[SilentTide]

I would like to point out that Religion has been hijacked by extremists for centuries on all sides. We had our Crusades and they had their Jihads...

So when they go to church they are told we WESTERNERS are BAD. When we go to church we are told that Muslims are BAD. This should make you think about religion more than the people. I know a few Muslims personally and they're really nice people. Now they approve of way less things than i do but it doesn't make them evil....

[onmyknees]

lol at the ignorance in this thread. not all muslims = terrorists or fanatics real muslims actually hate those people. but obviously only the ones shouting the loudest get heard. my dad is muslim and even though he's a prick most of my relatives from his side are decent. but then they are about 3 out of 10 on a religious scale. i can't stand the extremists... but then i can't really stand any hardcore religious people. and also the problem is a lot of dumbasses believe everything they read.

Last one for me...again this belongs on the Religion Forum... But Ignorance?????? LMFAO>>> Oh your dad is a muslim...so this is personal to you ?????? Well it's personal to me too for other reasons. ....What do you mean he's a "prick"? I'd like to hear that explanation....And what are are saying that 3 out of 10 that are religious ?? By religious are you saying they're peaceful? Because Bin Laden is religious and so was the blind sheik. . What is a REAL Muslim ? So a suicide bomber yelling God is Great is a fake Muslim ? You may have just made my point unwittingly. Look....if you love peace and denounce radical Islam in all forms, I have no issue with you...why are you looking for one? You should be joining me in denouncing them.

[Dino Velvet]

Very eye-opening poll. Overwhelmingly, this board says Muslims are no good. I agree. Fuck 'em!

I might be considered anti-Islamic but I'm not Islamophobic. Many annoy the shit out of me but I'm not afraid of them.

[rockabilly]

I think Reno 911 said it best ... "there's 2 kinds of muslims , the kill whitey muslims and the kill everybody else muslims."

[thombergeron]

Why do you continue to deflect attention off radical Islam and attempt to draw some equivalency between the Promise Keepers and Muslim extremists?

Ummm… because you continue to insist that all Muslims are evil and to deny that Christians could possibly commit evil themselves. Do you see what happens when you’re unable to understand things in anything other than black and white? You argue yourself into a corner and say a lot of stupid things.

I know full well what the Promise keepers are.

That’s funny, because 24 hours ago you thought they were a militia in Idaho. I told you Google would be handy.

I understand what you're attempting to do, but it's a huge fail. Here is what Professor J. Terry from Drew University who has studied them for years said in an expose about them.

Way to cherry-pick Terry’s essay for irrelevant quotes. I don’t think I ever claimed Promise Keepers were white supremacists, because they’re not. Tony Evan’s, one of the groups founders, is black. In the same essay that you cut –and-pasted from:

“There was Tony Evans too, the Dallas-based pastor who, back in the day, incensed the movement’s critics when he told the guys at the stadium rallies to take back their rightful place as the head of the family, urging their women to submit.”

I know you’re having difficulty following the conversation here, but Lisa claimed Muslims suck because they claim ownership over their wives. I merely pointed out that that’s not an exclusive criticism of Islam, since certain Christian groups, such as the Promise Keepers, believe the same thing.

That's a little different picture than the one you would have us believe. I don't support them in any way, but you reveal yourself when you bring them up in the same discussion as radical Islam.

Again, I think that demanding that other human being submit to you in the name of God is kind of a radical idea. Maybe you don’t, but that would be something that you have in common with radical Islam.

Hey Mr. Apologist......I've been to Saudi Ariba working on a petroleum pipe line. I know exactly what they teach in many Madrass's and how they live, and don't tell me they don't detest the west..... Don't make assumptions about me based on your limited knowledge of me, and apparently most Americans. It's Ignorant.

Given that you described Saudi Arabia as a “moderate Muslim country,” I have an extraordinarily difficult time believing that you’ve ever set foot there. I’ve been there, and it’s a fucking armpit full of intolerant assholes.

And sorry, kiddo. I don’t have to know you to know you have never been in a madrassa in Saudi. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would know what colossal horseshit that is. Madrassa’s generally don’t invite in American oil workers to peruse their lesson plans.

That's another knee slapper. There's what a billion Muslims world wide?...and you post a couple links about Muslims who condemn the attack.”

You just couldn’t bring yourself to do the google search, huh? You asked where were the moderate Muslims condemning violence. Here are 1.1 million examples for you:

muslims condemn violence - Google Search

You’re welcome.

but seared into my memory was on a sunny early fall day I saw people who I probably passed in the street at some point in lower Manhattan, jumping to their death from a fiery inferno,

Let me try to state this very simply for you. I despise terrorism, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise. But al Qaeda is maybe a couple of thousand guys. The other 999,998,000 Muslims, I don’t really have a problem with. I wish they didn’t insist on wasting humanity’s time with this superstitious bullshit, but I feel the same way about Christians, Jews, etc.

Your attempt to mitigate radical Islam's world wide attacks by deflecting attention to Christian Groups is weak.

I have never once attempted to “mitigate” attacks by radical Islam, nor have I ever defended such attacks, nor apologized for them, nor offered any excuse for violence committed against civilians in any way whatsoever. I defy you to offer a single shred of evidence of my “support” of fanaticism by any group, at all, ever. I uniformly condemn religious extremism in all forms, and I think that all religions are a cancer on humanity.

You, on the other hand, insist on blaming an entire class of innocent people for the actions of a handful of insane people, and denying the existence of violence, murder, and mayhem committed by those with whom you share faith and ideology.

Tell me it's false that Christians are being killed and mistreated in most Muslims countries while those governments look the other way.

It’s false. There are 47 Muslim majority countries in the world. Muslim-Christian sectarian violence is occurring in a handful of those.

Tell us all. We're waiting. You mention Indonesia....glad you brought that up. I spoke recently to a University Professor who fled there with his wife because of the creeping problem with Muslim fundamentalism. Is he wrong?? When was the last time you were there?

I was there 8 weeks ago. The Indonesian archipelago has been experiencing ethnic strife for about a thousand years. It is the most ethnically diverse country on earth. Sectarian violence in Indonesia is ethnic in origin. That ethnicity is some areas is tied to religious observance is not relevant, novel, nor that interesting. You said Muslim everywhere hate Americans. I’m telling you for a fact that Muslim Indonesians do not hate Americans. If you ever get out of your mom’s basement and visit there, you will be 100% safe everywhere you go.

And finally you ask...".Why do you support Christian terrorism" I don't and by comparision it's rare, but you know what I do support?? That you be forced to watch the unedited , unsanatized version of the 911 bombings, and the search for survivors and then talk to me about Christian terrorism.

You should ask this little boy how rare it is. You should ask the Archdiocese of Kigali what they were up to while 800,000 Rwandans Tutsis were being hacked to death, way back before anyone had ever even heard of Osama bin Laden.

[thombergeron]

You don't win an argument against what you feel is misinformation...with more misinformation.QED

Misinformation? He fucking said it. It's on tape. If you want to give Juan Williams the benefit of the doubt about what he "meant," that's fine. But I don't, and from his comments, it's pretty clear that onmyknees heard the same thing that I did.

[russtafa]

I just wish muslims weren't in Australia .But i don't blame them i blame the Australian government for bringing them here