Someone needs to sue the TSA

[fred41]

Really? You've always seen 110 story buildings fall straight down as a result of a crash above the 80th floors? No evidence? The video of the controlled demolition is just the tip of the iceberg.

Did you know that Silverstein actually authorized the demolition of WTC7? How could he have done that unless it was already set up for such an event?

~BB~

mmmhhh-hmmmmmm...........

[BellaBellucci]

Bella,

I am a firefighter. I watched the 2nd plane crash into the building live. I had just gotten off shift. Honest to God, my concern after watching the building burn for as long as it did was the risk of collapse.

What I didn't know then, but do know now from watching and reading about the construction was that it was built in a system called truss construction.

Truss construction is popular for several reasons. It's used in a lot of warehouses. Truss construction is strong and allows less material to be used to make it lighter. The major problem with truss construction is that when one truss goes, you will almost 100% of the time, have a complete and utter failure of all the supports. Which is what you saw with the towers.

Steel begins to fail at 1200 degrees F. Its not that it's melting but that means it will twist and contort very quickly at 1200 degrees. With that in mind, the load (weight) of the building wouldnt take long to collapse. An average house fire will reach 1100 degree F in about 3 1/2 minutes.

Even if that were so, and there are arguments on both sides, none of this explains the straight downward descent of the towers, only why the structure was weakened. I want to know why the buildings were weakened enough all the way to the lower floors so that the building collapsed instead of toppled. I'm not a structural engineer, but I know how it looks. I also don't like a lot of the accessory shadiness on the part of those who 'should have known' it was coming because they stood the most to gain.

Not to mention the precarious relationship between the CIA and 'Al-Qaeda' since the days of Iran/Contra. 'Al-Qaeda' being in quotes, of course, because it means simply The Base, referring to the database that the CIA kept on their own foreign operatives.

Means, motive, and opportunity? Plenty to go around. I don't profess that any of this is a smoking gun. I'm just disappointed that more people don't question the government's official story.

There was a fire in 1999 in Worcester that killed 6 Firefighers. They said that the temperature in the cold storage warehouse reached 3000 degrees and there was very little material to burn there.

I remember that fire. What a sad story. Denis Leary's brother was killed. I had met Denis a few months before that while he was filming Monument Ave in Eastie and remembered thinking he was a complete loon, but he sprung forth from that tragedy as a leader and got it done for the families left behind providing a somewhat happy ending to a tragic event.

I cant speak about #7....

mmmhhh-hmmmmmm...........

Thanks a lot Fred!

~BB~

[DaveinBoston]

Even if that were so?

It is so....Steel starts to fail at 1200 degrees. An average house fire quickly reaches 1100 degrees. 3000 gallons of jet fuel does what to steal?

I mean it was hot enough that rather than take their chances, people were jumping 90 stories down. 90 stories was a better option than staying....Is that insane or what?

It's funny how you just dismiss that so you can believe your theories. Put hundreds of trillions of pound falling down on trillions of pounds of steal, cement, load. The bulk of the structure.. the weight was all in the middle of the building... the sides did little to nothing to support the building.

I went down to ground zero 3 weeks after 9-11. Do you know that the weight and everything pulverized just about everything. I mean, with all the stuff in the buildings you'd think they would find computer parts and phones and everything. They found...little to nothing.

You should do some research and learn about building construction before you make comments like that...

Even if that were so, and there are arguments on both sides, none of this explains the straight downward descent of the towers, only why the structure was weakened. I want to know why the buildings were weakened enough all the way to the lower floors so that the building collapsed instead of toppled. I'm not a structural engineer, but I know how it looks. I also don't like a lot of the accessory shadiness on the part of those who 'should have known' it was coming because they stood the most to gain.

Not to mention the precarious relationship between the CIA and 'Al-Qaeda' since the days of Iran/Contra. 'Al-Qaeda' being in quotes, of course, because it means simply The Base, referring to the database that the CIA kept on their own foreign operatives.

Means, motive, and opportunity? Plenty to go around. I don't profess that any of this is a smoking gun. I'm just disappointed that more people don't question the government's official story.



I remember that fire. What a sad story. Denis Leary's brother was killed. I had met Denis a few months before that while he was filming Monument Ave in Eastie and remembered thinking he was a complete loon, but he sprung forth from that tragedy as a leader and got it done for the families left behind providing a somewhat happy ending to a tragic event.







Thanks a lot Fred!

~BB~

[DaveinBoston]

they made what decision? To pull what? the guys out of the building?

Im sorry but telling the fire department to pull it... means to pull their operations out ... as he said because they couldnt contain the fires.

The fire department doesnt demolition buildings... so that's the only thing he could mean.

Even if that were so, and there are arguments on both sides, none of this explains the straight downward descent of the towers, only why the structure was weakened. I want to know why the buildings were weakened enough all the way to the lower floors so that the building collapsed instead of toppled. I'm not a structural engineer, but I know how it looks. I also don't like a lot of the accessory shadiness on the part of those who 'should have known' it was coming because they stood the most to gain.

Not to mention the precarious relationship between the CIA and 'Al-Qaeda' since the days of Iran/Contra. 'Al-Qaeda' being in quotes, of course, because it means simply The Base, referring to the database that the CIA kept on their own foreign operatives.

Means, motive, and opportunity? Plenty to go around. I don't profess that any of this is a smoking gun. I'm just disappointed that more people don't question the government's official story.



I remember that fire. What a sad story. Denis Leary's brother was killed. I had met Denis a few months before that while he was filming Monument Ave in Eastie and remembered thinking he was a complete loon, but he sprung forth from that tragedy as a leader and got it done for the families left behind providing a somewhat happy ending to a tragic event.







Thanks a lot Fred!

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

I just find it difficult to believe that a structure that complex would fall so easily from an impact so high up. I don't buy the so-called 'pancake theory' and many witnesses reported hearing explosions from the lower floors. I'm sorry, but to my laymen's eye, it looked a LOT like this:







Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right. I just think that everything about this event is still suspect and that people should be more critical of the things that they're told by officials. In fact, IMO the book should never be closed on catastrophes such as this.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

they made what decision? To pull what? the guys out of the building?

Im sorry but telling the fire department to pull it... means to pull their operations out ... as he said because they couldnt contain the fires.

The fire department doesnt demolition buildings... so that's the only thing he could mean.

How could Silverstein pull firefighters that weren't there? Moreover, he admitted to giving the order to pull the building, not the non-existent FDNY operation.

WTC 7 collapsed approximately 7 hours after the collapse of WTC 1. Preliminary indications were that, due to lack of water, no manual firefighting actions were taken by FDNY.

~BB~

[DaveinBoston]

You are entitled to believe what ever nonsense you want. You dont buy the 'pancake theory'? If you took the building you showed in the videos and put them on top of another 60 floors.. it would come right down...

Witnesses heard explosions in a fire scene? HAHAHA... Bella, I hear explosions in about 90% of the fires I go to. Electric panels explode, fire compressors explode. The people inside the towers heard what sounded like explosions but it was people jumping.

...and you mean the people screaming and running for their lives were coherent enough to say where and when they heard explosions.. or the dead people told you that heard explosions? hahahahaha

YOUR LAYMANS EYES... Exactly. Too funny. You'll believe anything that goes against the government.

The buildings

I just find it difficult to believe that a structure that complex would fall so easily from an impact so high up. I don't buy the so-called 'pancake theory' and many witnesses reported hearing explosions from the lower floors. I'm sorry, but to my laymen's eye, it looked a LOT like this:







Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right. I just think that everything about this event is still suspect and that people should be more critical of the things that they're told by officials. In fact, IMO the book should never be closed on catastrophes such as this.

~BB~

[DaveinBoston]

You should really go back and listen to the video that you posted. Make sure that you have the volume turned up. HE DIDNT ADMIT TO GIVING ANY ORDER... GO BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS. I'll SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE....HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS:

"I remember getting a call from the...ahhhh.... fire department commander telling me that they weren’t sure that they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said you know we’ve had such terrible lose of life, may be the smartest thing to do is just pull it. Ahhhh, THEY made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

It says "THEY MADE THAT DECISION"

What do your "layman's ears" think of that?


By the way.. it was Denis Leary's cousin. Jeremy Lucey that got killed in Worcester.

How could Silverstein pull firefighters that weren't there? Moreover, he admitted to giving the order to pull the building, not the non-existent FDNY operation.



~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

You should really go back and listen to the video that you posted. Make sure that you have the volume turned up. HE DIDNT ADMIT TO GIVING ANY ORDER... GO BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS. I'll SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE....HERE IS WHAT HE SAYS:

"I remember getting a call from the...ahhhh.... fire department commander telling me that they weren’t sure that they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said you know we’ve had such terrible lose of life, may be the smartest thing to do is just pull it. Ahhhh, THEY made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

It says "THEY MADE THAT DECISION"

What do your "layman's ears" think of that?


By the way.. it was Denis Leary's cousin. Jeremy Lucey that got killed in Worcester.

Wow. You're better at nitpicking then me. Bully for you!

And there's nothing wrong with questioning your government. In fact many people find it patriotic.

~BB~

[DaveinBoston]

Im not nitpicking. You're telling me something this guy said... and he didnt say that. Its not being picking its telling the truth.

Sad thing is, people will just read your comments and believe them without watching the video. Thats how conspiracy BS starts.

Wow. You're better at nitpicking then me. Bully for you!

And there's nothing wrong with questioning your government. In fact many people find it patriotic.

~BB~