Glen Beck is REAAAALLY trying it!

[hippifried]

You didn't pay attention to any of what was in my post. You're too busy making false assumptions based on other false assumptions, & trying to find a spin for whatever the hell crusade you're on.

This is the problem with most discussions that can be even remotely construed as political. Nobody pays attention because they just can't shut the fuck up long enough.

[yodajazz]

What a crapload of bullshit. What you're saying is that hard-working, intelligent people aren't hard-working, intelligent people but instead have gamed the "propaganda balance". Of all the intellectual bullshit nonsense you post on here, this one is the most laughable.

Anyone else notice that whenever a liberal talks about winners and losers he always frames it in the language of "Oppressed & segregated minorities"?

To liberals, there are rarely winners unless they are "oppressing and segregating" a loser. When are we going to get honest around here and be able to say that if any group of people, black, negro or sub-saharan african are unable to compete in civilizations worldwide, then that entire race should be allowed to die off and fall off the face of the globe? What's the point of coddling failure?

Oh yeah I forgot. To "level the playing field" lol

So this is what it comes to. Everyone for themselves, not help for anyone, so that the rich can keep every penny. This seems to be very different than the vision on which the US was founded. Also seems to have nothing to do with Christianity and other religious principles, of charity, and other principles. This also fails to take into account sound economic theory, that money circulates. Therefore the more healthy the general population is, the better it is for everyone, including the rich.

In a related matter, I agree with Hippifried's view of humanity. That people dont just succeed because they are hard working and intelligent. There a many other factors at work. Most companies which rely on general labor, make rules about who can get into middle management, based on criteria so that their children, can walk right into the positions with no experience, by using education as a more valuable criteria than experience. This may be anecdotal, but seems like every person I know, who has work experience, has had someone come in as their supervisor with less experience, and they have to assist them in teaching them their jobs while making less pay. Or they have been taken off some duty that requires greater skill, so that a less experienced (White) person can get that skill. As more Blacks are receiving Bachelors degrees, now they are saying people have to have masters degrees for certain position, even a person may have had years of work experience. The more well off, a family is, the better they can support their children through graduate school etc. Success a more than just intelligence and hard work.

[trish]

What's the point of coddling failure?

If a particular domain of the playing field is rough, or steeply sloped, pitted or otherwise fails those who are trying to play on it, we should scrap the playing field...get out the dirt movers and level it flat. What's the point of coddling a field that a failure? The mark of human intelligence is the capacity to adapt the environment to themselves, not the other way around. The mark of a privileged idiot is to expect others to adapt and accept an unjust status quo.

[PomonaCA]

So this is what it comes to. Everyone for themselves, not help for anyone, so that the rich can keep every penny. This seems to be very different than the vision on which the US was founded. Also seems to have nothing to do with Christianity and other religious principles, of charity, and other principles. This also fails to take into account sound economic theory, that money circulates. Therefore the more healthy the general population is, the better it is for everyone, including the rich.

In a related matter, I agree with Hippifried's view of humanity. That people dont just succeed because they are hard working and intelligent. There a many other factors at work. Most companies which rely on general labor, make rules about who can get into middle management, based on criteria so that their children, can walk right into the positions with no experience, by using education as a more valuable criteria than experience. This may be anecdotal, but seems like every person I know, who has work experience, has had someone come in as their supervisor with less experience, and they have to assist them in teaching them their jobs while making less pay. Or they have been taken off some duty that requires greater skill, so that a less experienced (White) person can get that skill. As more Blacks are receiving Bachelors degrees, now they are saying people have to have masters degrees for certain position, even a person may have had years of work experience. The more well off, a family is, the better they can support their children through graduate school etc. Success a more than just intelligence and hard work.

You can't help but want to lash out at "the rich" can you? You have to blame someone for centuries of failure, so why not blame the successful. Why not blame the civilization builders, right? You poor oppressed people.

All in the name of humanity, right? LOL

Haven't you learned by now? Envy only leaves you in poverty.

[hippifried]

You can't help but want to lash out at "the rich" can you? You have to blame someone for centuries of failure, so why not blame the successful. Why not blame the civilization builders, right? You poor oppressed people.

All in the name of humanity, right? LOL

Haven't you learned by now? Envy only leaves you in poverty.

One point of conversations like this is to see if directions toward solutions for specific problems cn be found, or at least to define the problems in the first place. Another is to promote understanding of the differences in perspective in relation to varying issues.

Nobody who thinks is lashing out. The only reactionary comments are coming from you.

[gieric]

[QUOTE=Solitary Brother;784294]
Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it.[Quote]

Well there's part of your problem, most school history books a written with a particular view of history in mind. To go by my high school history books, women did everything from winning the trojan war to landing on the moon! Not to discount anyones contribution to history or to sanction Becks opinions or show, but there was a large group of the white populace that was in agrement with the civil rights movement. Look at pictures of meetings of MLK's insiders and the NAACP board and you'll more than likely see one or two white people and many more were involved in the actual actions and protests of the movement. In many cases where whites were involved in the movement and violence broke out, they were singled out. A good example would be the Freedom Riders (Freedom Rides - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Jimzwerg.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Jimzwerg.jpg/220px-Jimzwerg.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/d/da/Jimzwerg.jpg/220px-Jimzwerg.jpg), it's a wiki but as far as I can tell it's accurate.

I'm not trying to start anything, I just hate when people use generalities to defend issues. Not every white person was trying to keep the black man down. As the descendant of Scottish and Irish heritage I have a bit of understanding on the issue of my ancestors being oppressed and used for forced labor. And if anyone has an issue with that statement al I can say is, bring it.

I'm not in the country right now and don't have acces to fox news so I don't know what beck is doing, but why don't you wait to crucify him until after he's stuck his head up his ass. That way you'll heed a smaller tree.

[south ov da border]

Well we'll see where this goes...

[beandip]

If Obama's a joke, then what's serious? Sarah Palin? I take Obama being called a joke, more serious than me being called an "ignant racist muthafukka". What this means to me that there is nothing a Black person can do to get get respect in the US. NOTHING! Like the people on Yahoo calling for the extermination of of Muslims, 1/5 of the world's population, life of other people has no meaning. A world with only White people. Yeah, right. Take America back. Only there will be less of it than the past.

Obama is a joke. C'mon... a "Community organiser" WTF? The guys a light weight.

Search who Allen West is....that's a Black man I can support 100%

Obama is a leach-fuck and has been one his own life. All he knows how to do is stand in front of Government with his goddamned hands out asking for money. News flash. We're broke, ok?


At least SP stood up to big oil for the people who live in Alaska. Obama put his lip lock around BP' cock in the gulf disaster.

[beandip]

What are the grounds?

Ballz deep in corruption back in Chicago.

His past will come back to haunt him, mark my words...June the latest from what I hear...

[hippifried]

Ballz deep in corruption back in Chicago.

His past will come back to haunt him, mark my words...June the latest from what I hear...

Oh. About the same time as the fighting in the streets between the government union leach thugs & the banksters starts?