Thoughts on Obama SO FAR?

[yodajazz]

Republican...Democrat all the same, 2 sides of the same coin. I feel the next prez willbe even worse...

I personally feel the Democrats are the lesser of two evils. But this is why, I question why the parts I saw, only mentioned or displayed Democrats. They mentioned about someone in Obama's administration being from a big Wall Street firm, but it happens all the time, from the private sector of big corporations to goverment, and back and forth. Look at Dick Cheney. In the video, I saw them mention person from Clinton and Obama's adminstration, but not the fact that the credit default swaps were made legal in a bill sponsored by Republican Phill Graham. One article I read said he was the brainchild behind the bill which was also co-sposored by others. In the past 30 years there have been 20 years of Republican presidents and 24 years of Republican controled Congress. Phil Gramm was John McCain's top financial advisor in his campaign, until he resigned after making a controversial remark about 'whiners'.

But it sounds like you would agree that a major problem with government is structural and not nescessarily a particular party. But speaking of Phil Gramm, his wife Wendy, was the chairman of The Commodities and Futures Trading Commission, under both Reagan and Bush Sr. An article I read, accused her of helping to push through some legislation, and then going to work for a private firm which benefited from it, three months later. My understanding is that this is not illegal. High government offices are most often, just stepping stones to higher paying Corporate jobs.

Republican's have the reputation of being pro-business. From what I saw fo the movie, I question its credibility, although it does make some good points, about the dangers of credit default swaps.

[DL_NL]

As long as the right wing religious fanatics still outnumber any reasonable politicians in the US, you're going to have to live with a narrow-minded society where no Democrats can ever achieve anything. Also, politics are only useful if you can make long-term plans but the voters are so dumb (everywhere in the world, actually) that they tend to punish their government by voting for someone else, thus not giving the current government any time to implement a decent long-term strategy. The result is more damage, because all changes get undone... costs lots of money and nothing much is achieved.

[El Nino]

Two wings of the same bird, my friends...

[trish]

The American Eagle

[El Nino]

Exactamundo

[south ov da border]

I don't agree with either party, I don't agree with the healthcare bill and that idea of cap and trade is a horrible idea in my opinion. The structure is the problem, way to big of a government to do much good. Problem is I don't see how things can change with the structure we have right now.

We don't produce goods anymore only consume, so how do we get out of the financial mess if we have nothing going out to bring funds back in???

[south ov da border]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-Camp...53179.html?x=0

intertesting link...

[trish]

We don't produce goods anymore only consume, ...

Because we outsource production, in spite of the fact that American workers more productive than ever. Of course we could destroy all the unions, get rid of the minimum wage and take the next turn in the road toward becoming a third world country. Once the American laborer is reduced to working for a pittance perhaps corporations will see fit to produce their goods here again.

I agree that "cap and trade" is far from ideal. It's the only conservation compromise corporations were willing to make and that's because it provides ample opportunity to cheat. We need real emissions regulation.

There's a lot that wrong with the health-care bill, again because it's a compromise bill. It should be single payer. It's not. On the other hand, it prevents insurance companies from dropping your coverage because of pre-existing conditions. You can now cover your child up until he or she is 26, which is a good deal in these days when what jobs they can get are likely to be without benefits.

A lot of democrats are unhappy because Obama wasn't tough enough and didn't push a progressive agenda. A lot of republicans are saying they won't vote for anyone who'll compromise. The trouble with compromise is nobody ever gets exactly what they want. But without compromise, nobody gets anything.

Problem is I don't see how things can change with the structure we have right now.

Don't pass legislation that gives incentives to corporations that outsource jobs. Spend more on infrastructure which will create jobs in various areas of construction. Let the tax breaks run out for those making over a quarter of million dollars annually. Even even we do the latter they will not pay taxes on their first quarter of a million dollars. Even without this 95% of Americans got a tax break just last year.

[yodajazz]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-Camp...53179.html?x=0

intertesting link...

I ran across this article myself. One scary thing is that when confronted by facts, many people are attacking the sources. Its like they cant take in any information that might challenge their beliefs. The article did state that the healthcare bill has provisions to make money as well as spend, and the money made is supposed pay for the cost. Whereas Republicans only mention the cost. I myself, forgot that the 1.2 trillion cost is spread out over 10 years. That makes a difference.

My family has recently run into major issues because of not having healthcare. It's a nightmare when someone who has life threatening illnesses cannot get medications. One more thing, I am a religious person, but I have not heard one Christian leader, talk about the compassion of helping those who have healthcare needs. With all the hatred and disrespect out in this election season, I have not heard anyone reminding us that Christ said to "love thy neighbor, as thyself." In the Bible greed is a sin, but many are not thinking about some of the financial skullduggery in a spiritual context.

More later.

[south ov da border]

I ran across this article myself. One scary thing is that when confronted by facts, many people are attacking the sources. Its like they cant take in any information that might challenge their beliefs. The article did state that the healthcare bill has provisions to make money as well as spend, and the money made is supposed pay for the cost. Whereas Republicans only mention the cost. I myself, forgot that the 1.2 trillion cost is spread out over 10 years. That makes a difference.

My family has recently run into major issues because of not having healthcare. It's a nightmare when someone who has life threatening illnesses cannot get medications. One more thing, I am a religious person, but I have not heard one Christian leader, talk about the compassion of helping those who have healthcare needs. With all the hatred and disrespect out in this election season, I have not heard anyone reminding us that Christ said to "love thy neighbor, as thyself." In the Bible greed is a sin, but many are not thinking about some of the financial skullduggery in a spiritual context.


More later.

I agree. Repubs fear monger the dollars spent, but just throw out the sum and not how it's calculated, I still am not sure about the healthcare bill because of the many things in the bill not mentioned, Seen and read about them but it's scary what is supposedly in it...