DADT Temporarily upheld by appeals court

[MrsKellyPierce]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_771035.html

More excuses! Though Obama doesn't support DADT, it's his job as a president to fight for laws that are in place. *rolls eyes*

[south ov da border]

We are all used to the excuses...

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Obama just wanted the glory. He didn't want to be up-staged by some cunt with a judicial robe on!!! I'm a 26 year retired Navy SEAL, I don't have an issue with gays and lesbians in the military.

[CaliBoy951]

As a former Marine, I must say that there is much more to it then just allowing gays into the military. I have seen first hand what happens when a person is gay and the amount of torment they go through.
In my barracks across the hall was a Marine that was gay, and every single day he was totally f*cked with. It became a personal safety issue. Nobody would listen to him...at any level.

Most people want to allow gays into the military and I agree that there should be complete and total equal rights for all, but what most don't know is what happens to the gays that are allowed in. It can be pure hell....I have seen it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

But Caliboy, doesn't that have to do with morale? I know the military uses the "dont be a faggot" tactic a lot. Some officials even make it known it's wrong to be gay. I think a lot of the men in the military are looking for guidance from the officials. Don't you think? I think if they used different tactics and had a zero tolerance policy for harassing gays things would turn around.

[strokeitnow]

Obama's promise of Hope and Change was merely rhetoric to gain access to the White House. A pity so many of you believed. His actions thus far speak volumes about his ability to lead. Another pathetic case of a celebrity chaser. He should have quite a future as a reporter for TMZ once he is done destroying what is left of our country.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

As a former Marine, I must say that there is much more to it then just allowing gays into the military. I have seen first hand what happens when a person is gay and the amount of torment they go through.
In my barracks across the hall was a Marine that was gay, and every single day he was totally f*cked with. It became a personal safety issue. Nobody would listen to him...at any level.

Most people want to allow gays into the military and I agree that there should be complete and total equal rights for all, but what most don't know is what happens to the gays that are allowed in. It can be pure hell....I have seen it.

CaliBoy951...Appreciate your sevice and dedication. I agree with what you've said. However, it is a paradym that has to change. If it doesn't, equal rights is merely a theory.

[MrsKellyPierce]

FYI I voted for Hilary. I thought he was a flashy talker, thats it.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

FYI I voted for Hilary. I thought he was a flashy talker, thats it.

Yeah, he could apparently sell a hot oven to a turkey!!!

[CaliBoy951]

But Caliboy, doesn't that have to do with morale? I know the military uses the "dont be a faggot" tactic a lot. Some officials even make it known it's wrong to be gay. I think a lot of the men in the military are looking for guidance from the officials. Don't you think? I think if they used different tactics and had a zero tolerance policy for harassing gays things would turn around.

I don't think it has to do with morale at all. It has to do with the fact that some "stuff" can no be accepted. For example, when you are in bootcamp and you are taking a shower with a bunch of guys at the same time and somebody says something because somebody has a "hard-on" that is EXTREMELY dangerous.

I can not stress enough how there is sooo much more than just allowing a gay person into the military.

On the other hand can it be fixed, sure, but I bet, and mark my words it will take something VERY bad to happen before they crack down. Once they threaten everybody with severe punishment (NJP), and set a few examples of punishing those who violate the rights of others.

Now, on the other hand, it is a two way street. I mean if you are gay and join the military you can NOT run around acting like a total "fag". Don't show up for an event with your boyfriend and be holding hands and kissing that will just bring more problems for yourself. In other words my advice would be to join the military do your job, make friends and then let it out that you are gay.

I hope that makes some sense? If not then remember I was in the Marines not the Air Force so we have the lowest ASVAB scores to join.....LOL!