Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[Ryz]

Look at video rental stores. Video game companies don't even see that money.

[Niccolo]

Who has pointed out that the piracy doesn't equate loss? Certainly nobody of any significance and most likely, just people who steal themselves. - Seanchai

This blatant ad hominem attempt to make your own argument is obviously fallacious, as anyone who has been taught to think properly will tell you. You simply assume that anyone who disagrees with you 'steal themselves' when not only do you have no grounds on which to make that assumption, it is demonstrably false. For example, I have made that argument to you on this thread, and at the moment I have subscriptions to several websites, including one of yours. (Something I have already mentioned on this thread.) So your fallacious attempt to defend your assertion is not only irrelevent, it has actually been refuted.

Frankly, I don't care what you think - I've made my perfectly clear statements. - Seanchai

I don't care what you think either, so what? You've made perfectly clear statements? Well maybe you have, and maybe you haven't, but in any event clarity is not truth.

Again: you appear to be presenting an argument that would support any actions you might wish to take against these Russian/Bulgarian/Romanians you say exist, who are apparently setting up alternative websites and 'selling' your product. It may be difficult to take legal action against such people in those countries. However, that type of action would at least be supported by the argument you have put forward.

Making that argument though, and going on to prosecute an entirely different group of people, with no obvious benefits other than lining your pockets?

You might not care if someone points out to you that this is illogical, but that doesn't mean that it's not, and your indifference certainly won't prevent anyone from pointing that out to you.

[Niccolo]

If you've stolen from us, you've committed a crime and if we find you we will take legal action against you.
That's all it is. Seanchai

But that wasn't 'all it is' now was it? You were bleating about Russians and mysterious Eastern European crime gangs ripping you off. (See link.) Now you're trying to pretend that you didn't? Come on. You were also trying to say that someone viewing a clip online equated to a loss of revenue for you. You have not shown that this is so, and when someone points that out to you (and several people have done so) you either say you don't care what anyone else thinks, or else you engage in blatant ad hominem attacks upon your own firm's customers, and accuse them of stealing from you.

Way to drum up trade, pal.

[GroobySteven]

But that wasn't 'all it is' now was it? You were bleating about Russians and mysterious Eastern European crime gangs ripping you off. (See link.) Now you're trying to pretend that you didn't? Come on. You were also trying to say that someone viewing a clip online equated to a loss of revenue for you. You have not shown that this is so, and when someone points that out to you (and several people have done so) you either say you don't care what anyone else thinks, or else you engage in blatant ad hominem attacks upon your own firm's customers, and accuse them of stealing from you.

Way to drum up trade, pal.

1. Show me on that link anything about crime gangs? I've already cut and pasted my exact quote.

2. A surfer who is able to find and download our content for free, who could have been a likely member, if they hadn't be able to get the content for free, is a lost sale. If this stolen content was not available for free, then some of the downloaders would be buying from the site. This equates a loss of revenue to us.

3. Why do you ignore my posts and make things up? I clearly stated the intent of this specific action much earlier in this thread.

4. Which of my customers have I accused of stealing from me?

Way to just make shit up, pal

[Niccolo]

Oh and just so you know, I've cancelled my subscription to your site.

See how well this little enterprise is working out for you?

[GroobySteven]

I don't care what you think either, so what? You've made perfectly clear statements? Well maybe you have, and maybe you haven't, but in any event clarity is not truth.

Yet it is. Everything I've stated is truthful and clear. If you disagree, then that's your prerogative to. I don't really owe you answers here but I have, you have just refused to listen to them.

I don't really have much more time I can waste on this one post as it's obviously becoming just a circle jerk.

[GroobySteven]

Oh and just so you know, I've cancelled my subscription to your site.

See how well this little enterprise is working out for you?

Send me your username or subscription number and I'll gladly refund you. I'd hate to see somebody that unhappy with what we provide.

[Niccolo]

1. Show me on that link anything about crime gangs? I've already cut and pasted my exact quote. - Seanchai

Is this really the best you can do? Nitpicking about your description of Russian and Eastern European groups of people who, according to you, are acting illegally and are apparently outside the reach of the law? Saying that these people, who are acting together in a co-ordinated and criminal manner with the clear aim of stealing money from other people, and who according to you are being successful, cannot be accurately described as criminal gangs? Really? You think this is going to be a fruitful avenue for you to explore? If you really want to, I have to tell you that I studied linguistics and philosophy at uni, and I'll happily talk about how human beings use language for days, or weeks. No problem. And in the end, you'll lose that debate. I can save you a lot of time though, and simply state the obvious right now: Your attempt to defend your own position is laughable. (If you're interested in how we use language, a book I'm reading just now on my Kindle, and which I can definitely recommend, is 'The Unfolding of Language' by Guy Deutscher. It's well written, and the author's theories are very interesting.)

You ought to reconsider your position. I suggest that instead of trying to insult the intelligence of your own customers, or accusing them of theft, you actually try to enrol them in your efforts against video piracy. You have a large group of people who sign up to your websites, and who by definition are interested in those sites continuing. Those people come from all walks of life. I suggest that you tap into that resource, and see if some of your members can come up with a new way of preventing video piracy. You never know - if you try to see other people as something more than walking dollar signs, you might just start to make some progress here.

Just a thought ...

[GroobySteven]

If you really want to, I have to tell you that I studied linguistics and philosophy at uni, and I'll happily go on about your use of language for days, or weeks. No problem. And in the end, you'll lose that debate. I can save you a lot of time though, and simply state the obvious right now: Your attempt to defend your own position is quite pathetic.

Ok well this answers a lot. So it's not about grasping my points, it's just about debating and arguing how I stated it. Yep, you will win on that one. Congratulate yourself. It really is quite pathetic how some people enjoy wasting time.

You ought to reconsider your position. I suggest that instead of trying to insult the intelligence of your own customers, or accusing them of theft, you actually enrol them in your legitimate efforts against the real criminals here. You have a large group of people who sign up to your websites, and who by definition are interested in those sites continuing. Those people come from all walks of life. I suggest that you tap into that resource, and see if someone can come up with a new way of combatting video piracy. You never know - if you try to see other people as something more than walking dollar signs, you might just start to make progress here.

Just a thought ...

We do, do that Niccolo, we do it all the time, as a member, I'm surprised you missed it on one of our sites. We engage all our members which is why we're consistently changing the sites to meet their needs. At no point, have I insulted the intelligence of our customers who we put ahead of all else or accused any of them of theft. No legitimate customer of ours, will be getting any sort of notification. Where do you get these ideas? We've been making great progress, thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you need to go and study something that has an application in the real world.
Just a thought

[Niccolo]

Clarity and Truth.

Your name is Wilbur Smith.
You have written over thirty novels.
You live in Africa.

These statements are quite clear. But are they true?

No? You didn't write 'The Sound of Thunder'? Thought not ...