Grooby Legal Action against Piracy ...

[dc_guy_75]

I wonder how many judges, politicians, or other prominent people will be on the tranny list?... not including Eddie Murphy and Charlie Sheen....

(where's the popcorn emoticon?)

[SmashysmashY]

I think any reasonable person can see the difference between using a language to converse in a generic sense and copying a work that someone else has produced without paying for it or receiving their permission. We're talking apples and oranges here.

Answer my question. How would you feel if you worked hard to create something, even based your livelihood on it, and then someone else came along and made use of it without paying?

It's a difficult question to answer because it presupposes that if I wrote a book I would charge people to read it. I would only write a book if I thought it contained important information and I wouldn't be surprised to see electronic copies of it because I would place it in the public domain.

So far as the question of ideas and words being subject to copyright is concerned, it was an attempt to illustrate that I understand your ethical argument and reject the premise as do you in most instances.

You're saying that I should feel compelled to pay someone who makes a creative effort because I expect the same. Well first of all I don't expect that and second it's not generally true that creative effort demands monetary compensation anyway.

So to answer your question I'd feel quite good about it.

[deepthroater]

This is just people getting greedy and seeing lawsuits against indiviuals as a buisness model, much like the RIAA. It's not much short of extortion.

IF you manage to get ISP's to provide you with information then I assume you'll send out letters threatening further legal action unless they agree to pay some form of settlement. I'm sure you'll make it clear that if they choose to counter the claims in court they'll be free to do so and they'll be publicly and specifically accussed of downloading material like "I LIKE SHEMALE COCK IN MY ASS AND MOUTH 4*".

This kind of practice is nothing short of extortion when the RIAA does it, when you start bringing the possibility of public embarrasment into things as a tactic then this is pretty much the definition of extortion. I'm sure you'll swear profusely that's not a tactic of yours. But let's face it, you know if you suggest the choice between the lawsuit "SHEMALE COCK PORN LTD. Vs Mr. Bank Manager" and a confidential out of court cash settlement, you're pretty much banking on people crapping themselves and giving you money to go away. Like I said, extortion.

Even the idiots at the RIAA that still seem to be living within a 1970s "Home recording is killing the music industry" bubble understand that filesharing lawsuits are a short term method of monetary gain rather than a deterrent or suitable answer to the online piracy question.

If you're going after illegally cloned sites actually selling your content as their own or these mysterious organised crime syndicates (Your downloads are helping Al Queda!!!!1!! /Fox News) then that's perfectly understandable and justified.

But you're not, because it's too difficult and expensive. You're just going after little guys who've downloaded a porn flick or photo set.

And you're only doing it to make money. Through extortion. Because some shitbag lawyers firm has told you it's an easy way to make some money and you figure "Why not? They're thieves!!!1!!".

A PIRATE DOWNLOAD DOES NOT EQUAL A LOST SALE!

You already know this is true. Yet you'll pretend that piracy is losing you business and shout about being robbed of income, you'll try to sound less greedy and cash-grabbing by saying you're only trying to safeguard employees jobs and salaries and that you're only doing what's right.

Bullshit, you're being greedy, manipulative and biting the hand that feeds you.

I'm sure you're conveniently forgetting, or overlooking, the fact that not one single piece of evidence shows that online piracy actually harms revenue. In fact those pirated movies and photo sets only increase your online business by acting as viral marketing, alerting viewers to your products and actually creating future paying subscribers.

If someone downloads a movie from ThePirateBay or some other pirate site that's for sale in the store at $29.99 it does not equal a loss of $29.99. They more than likely didn't download that movie instead of buying it, they simply downloaded it because it was there, whether it was there or not they still wouldn't have spent $29.99. But now that they have it, they know how awesome "SHEMALE COCKS IN YOUR ASS 5*" is and will visit the site to get more. Possibly subscribing and increasing your revenue, not subtracting from it. Assuming the film is actually any good that is, the only way piracy hurts a site hidden behind a paywall is by revealing that the content is actually rubbish and not worth paying for after all. Create great content and people will pay.

Piracy isn't costing you a thing, don't try saying it is.

You just want to make more money and are going to try and extort it out of people.

All file sharers and filesharing companies, get paid and make a lot of illegal money.

Lolwut? Filesharers do not get paid, stop trying to demonise the average person.

....name hundreds of unnamed surfers who may have downloaded a rainbow assortment of films, from solo girl to tranny content, within the past two weeks....

So this is just about going after the little guy who downloaded a movie, without any cost or damage to you at all, NOT about these filesharing companies and crime networks. Easier to extort money from the little guy isn't it?!

....JordanCapri and Tawnee Stone website content has been poached.

WOW! So content that must be coming up for about 15 years old, and is available in it's entirety pretty much all over the web without even a hint of filesharing has "been poached". Burn the eyes of anyone who's seen it! Better yet, charge them huge amounts of money to not have their eyes burnt!!$$$!!!$!

....Media Copyright Group, which offers "turnkey solution for combating online piracy of their copyrighted media."
....offers to track and ID infringers, as well as pursue damages against infringers on a contingency basis.

This companies entire business model is extortion. At no point have you been thinking about how much money you are "losing" through piracy, you're only thinking about how much you can make scaring the shit out of some poor bastard and threatening him with a "SHEMALE COKS PORN LTD. Vs YOU" lawsuit unless he chooses to settle for the low, low price of $10,000.

You're being greedy, and you know it.


(*I LIKE SHEMALE COCK IN MY ASS AND MOUTH Volumes 1-4 & SHEMALE COCKS IN YOUR ASS Volumes 1-5 © Deepthroater Ltd. 2010)

[AmyDaly]

You're being greedy, and you know it.

oh but the people stealing 100's of sets and expecting tons of free content are the victims

All those "little guys" that you like to call them are the ones using Bit Torrent in mass amounts. Those little guys who are all using bit torrent software are also the providers and uploading content while they download. So yea...those little guys in mass can do a ton of damage.

If anyone is greedy, its YOU. Some of us spend a lot of our own money to put in to the content that the people you support are stealing. You call it greedy because the people who steal the product that we are putting our time, money, and bodys in to are getting in trouble? You hypocrite.

[deepthroater]

oh but the people stealing 100's of sets and expecting tons of free content are the victims

If they're being extorted, yes.

These legal procedures and suits are nothing to do with stopping piracy, nothing to do with addressing the cause of piracy or even the providers of piracy. They are simply a way of getting someone to give you money so you don't publicly drag them through the courts over some shemale porn. In fact they don't even want to go to court, it's too expensive.

If this was about addressing piracy then it would be different, it's not, it's about making money.

[dc_guy_75]

The victims are the people who now know who Tom Moore is....

[AmyDaly]

If they're being extorted, yes.

These legal procedures and suits are nothing to do with stopping piracy, nothing to do with addressing the cause of piracy or even the providers of piracy. They are simply a way of getting someone to give you money so you don't publicly drag them through the courts over some shemale porn. In fact they don't even want to go to court, it's too expensive.

If this was about addressing piracy then it would be different, it's not, it's about making money.

Nothing to do with stopping piracy? Take off the tin foil hat. Grooby isn't the only one suing people. Its not all shemale porn.

And LOL @ Being extorted. They broke the law, deal with it.


This is from the Jordan Capri site: Look like shemale porn to you?
http://main.jordancapri.com

[AmyDaly]

oh and it sounds like someone is really ashamed and embarrassed by the porn they look at by the way

[Niccolo]

Amy, I think the underlying issue here is that initially the finger was pointed at mysterious Bulgarian and Romanian crime gangs, who apparently own websites which carry other people's material. Apparently they make a lot of money from those websites.

And you have in the initial post an admission that for a lot of people nowadays, paying £27 plus for a months's subscription to a shemale site is not possible. Yet these are the same people who are being targeted here.

Going after an easy target in an effort to be seen to be doing something, and hopefully make some money from out-of-court settlements? That explanation seems plausible.

[timxxx]

If they're being extorted, yes.

These legal procedures and suits are nothing to do with stopping piracy, nothing to do with addressing the cause of piracy or even the providers of piracy. They are simply a way of getting someone to give you money so you don't publicly drag them through the courts over some shemale porn. In fact they don't even want to go to court, it's too expensive.

If this was about addressing piracy then it would be different, it's not, it's about making money.

Pretty much right.
It's pay up Faggot or we will let everyone know you're a Faggot.